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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Well, I gotta give'em one thing. They managed to make the episode believable... or rather, they made the fight believable not the episode. Since there's nothing real about Jeane not only walking, but also running and carrying people around when she has a mortal wound. Still, the moment Mirira, Deneve and Helen jumped in and battled Priscilla 'till they were thoroughly defeated was ok. I did expect a lot better animation from the next-to-last episode though. And as I expected, Clare's arms awakened in the fight with Priscilla. So I think every manga reader is already guessing what's gonna happen now... a remake of the ending of Rigardo's battle with a different protagonist. Points if it ends up being different. Screenshot: |
KayrhandrosSep 19, 2007 11:04 AM
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| No, just no. This is horrible.. |
| Good episode, Priscilla is one hell of a beast! Clare looked pretty awesome at end as well. Kay, I guess Jeane realized that all she had to do was get to where Clare is so she got her act together and concentrated only on that. I don't think 'real' is the word you can use to describe things in this show to begin with. :P Looking forward to the end. |
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| Today's episode was kinda filler Imho. I liked the part of both Clare and the Miria group getting their asses kicked (kinda obvious) and Jeane "sacrifice" to bring Raki to Clare. The fight was kinda boring. Priscilla is sure one hell of a beast. But i think they exagerated in size and in the muscles -.-". Clare (Spoiler pic bussiness) was simply amazing :O Im kinda guessing how it will end but still im also looking forward to the End. |
| Very disappointing episode. This episode honestly is just bad ;__; I think I have to rate down this show now...argh >_< |
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noelhoi said: Very disappointing episode. This episode honestly is just bad ;__; I think I have to rate down this show now...argh >_< Indeed, it've already gone from 10/10 to a 8/10 ever since they came to Pieta =[ And it feels like it wants an ever lower rating. |
cyruz said: Ok, forget the "real". It's not believable. Claymore's weak points are head and guts. She should be dead already and not running around carrying "dead weight". ^_^Kay, I guess Jeane realized that all she had to do was get to where Clare is so she got her act together and concentrated only on that. I don't think 'real' is the word you can use to describe things in this show to begin with. :P Has for Priscilla. If I didn't know better I'd say she was a male looking at all those muscles. And she was poorly drawn. As for the new transformation that is another "invention" from the anime.. it was even worst. Now, so you can take a look at what I mean about the animation quality, just take a look at shots from episode 8 and shots from episode 25 Edit: there, it's fixed  Quoting what I said on the IRC, "Priscilla seems like a guy on steroids". Or a girl on steroids (a lot of'em) if you don't wanna be too harsh. Sobzob said: Unless a miracle happens it's not getting more than 7 from menoelhoi said: Very disappointing episode. This episode honestly is just bad ;__; I think I have to rate down this show now...argh >_< Indeed, it've already gone from 10/10 to a 8/10 ever since they came to Pieta =[ And it feels like it wants an ever lower rating. |
KayrhandrosSep 19, 2007 10:47 AM
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| This episode is the worst so far... lacks any contribution to the series... almost all the information was repetitive, the fight was boring. Completely killed the pacing (or was too slow). Bad animation. This is the most disappointment I've felt towards a single episode since Mai Hime (or maybe it's even worse than that)... Though I would disagree about Prinscilla's muscles. I don't really see a problem with them... O.o |
asandariSep 19, 2007 10:44 AM
| PRISCILLA IS A GENOCYBER!!! seriously though, I laughed when she transformed, as it looked more like an old Koichi Ohata (is he still even doing anime?) design than anything else. Cant wait to see Mecha-Clare now though. |
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| Well, it was dark so you don't see all those details anyway. :P And the fact that she didn't completely awaken yet sounded plausible to me. Guess it's just me then. |
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ZoiQ said: z0mg clare used bankai. lol, nice one. I thoguht the episode was alright. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Perhaps its because i've been having very low expectations for this show. |
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I did expect a lot better animation from the next-to-last episode though. I think you get that at times, the production team would rather have a bit of extra time to get the final episode out so they skip a bit on the penultimate one. Not overly impressed with this , but it seemed to be more of a "set the scene" for the final showdown type episode. |
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| I was pretty disappointed with this one too - now I really wish they'd followed the manga. As mentioned earlier, Priscilla was way too beefy and her second awakening was no more believable than Jeane's going from hobbling up the mountain to hauling ass with Raki on her back. And while Priscilla's power level compared to Clare's was believable enough, I don't buy Miria and co. being able to hold out that long. Remember how outmatched they all were against Rigardo? |
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Krelian said: I was pretty disappointed with this one too - now I really wish they'd followed the manga. As mentioned earlier, Priscilla was way too beefy and her second awakening was no more believable than Jeane's going from hobbling up the mountain to hauling ass with Raki on her back. And while Priscilla's power level compared to Clare's was believable enough, I don't buy Miria and co. being able to hold out that long. Remember how outmatched they all were against Rigardo? So, this is somewhat of a random silly guess but I figure the only way Clare can kill both Pris and Isley is if the volcano randomly erupts right after Clare is thrown to the side by either one of them, unless Clare has more muscle then Pris >< |
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| I guess the episode was okay considering my expectations wasn't too high to begin with. |
noelhoi said: Very disappointing episode. This episode honestly is just bad ;__; I think I have to rate down this show now...argh >_< agreed. Going from a 10/10 to a 7-8/10... Incredibly dissapointed, and i havnt even read the manga! The anime definetly has simply been going downhill since the Pieta arc started, and the last few episodes (and im sure the last episode) are completly dissapointments for me... The first 12 or so eps of this show were just unbeleivably amazing... The show should have stayed true to the manga and made a sequal later on, or increased the length of the show etc, to at least 37, but oh well... |
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| I shall limit my response to you all bitching to: berating it yet again because it's not like the manga is not sensible, as everyone's known for some time that it's not going to be. As someone who has not already read it, I enjoyed this episode as I have the whole Pieta arc, which is to say a bit less than the rest of the series, but still as a whole Claymore is a better action series than anything else showing currently or recently. Now that's out of the way, I must say I find it harder to swallow Priscilla's sudden switch from a crying child to total uber-ness, despite being only half awakened, than her awakened body shape, which is nothing special compared to other awakened beings seen thus far. Jeane regenerating while hauling herself up the mountain on Raki's shoulder seems perfectly plausible (Clare fought with a similar wound in episode 2 after all), and given the ease with which Priscilla beat Clare, it seems to me they only held out like they did because of a mix of her initial distraction and disorientation and the fact that once she noticed them, she basically played with them because she knew she could beat them anytime, while Rigardo just aimed to assassinate the squad leaders as quick as possible. The animation seemed perfectly OK to me too; most of the differences between the screenshots above can be explained through the differences in lighting. I cannot comprehend how they can possibly hope to finish this off conclusively in one more episode, though. |
| i totally agree with YourMessageHere.They guys that have readen the manga are just lol.U cant understand that u like best the 1 u watch 1st.Iv seen the anime till episode 22 and cause every1 said that manga was 2 times better i started to read till rigardos death.It was soo boring and for me the anime is like 10 better.Of course if u know whats gonna happen from the manga u wont like the anime.... Anyway be resonable this episode was quite good for someonw who had no iea whats comming on and the animation was also good.Whats regards Jins wound i said that i totaly agree with YourMessageHere.They are claymores after all what "real" are u talking about? 5/5 from me |
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| I haven't read the manga, and I liked the past few episodes (they actually bumped up the score...) however this episode... was not good. As I've already said xD |
| Haha, I just looked through all your lists and compared Claymore to the anime you also rated a 7 or whatever... that was amusing. |
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| It definitely hasn't gone down that far in my book - it'll probably end up at an 8 or 9 depending on the last episode. This one dragged it down some, but it's still an awesome show. |
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| I enjoyed the episode (although the beefy Priscilla was a bit weird). My theory: In a moment of "nostalgia" Priscilla will mistake Raki for her onee-chan, causing a moment of weakness... then Clare will proceed to kick ass. (Lame theory, but in that way, Raki will get to protect Clare, after all.) Either that... or Raki is a dead man next episode. =/ |
Chelle said: or Raki is a dead man next episode. *crosses fingers* |
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| I'm telling you... Raki WILL take Priscilla's head... |
| Slightly disappointed with this episode because I wanted more action with Clare and Priscilla. And Priscilla does look horrible when I saw her full body scene. Definitely looked like she was on steroids. Her "completely awakened" concept was only to buy some screening time. Raki and Jean scenes were redundane. But Clare finally awakens! So the last episode better be full of some hot action! P.S I rather have Priscilla take Raki's head |
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| 25 episodes in less than a fortnight. I read a lot of bitching and complaining in the Episode 21-25 threads, but i'm finally here. I caught up!! Something that i have hoped since Episode 23 finally came true. Awakened Priscilla vs. Awakened Clare! I'm guessing that Clare will fully awaken, and take out Priscilla, but with the cost of her own life in the final episode. Raki will take Clare's Head when Priscilla bites the dust. I bet that's worse for him than dying, right, non-Raki fans? Some of you are always complaining about the damn manga. If you love it so much, why don't you marry it? Ok, ok, i'll be nice. I'll read it after Episode 26 and see what the big fuss is about. Though i can agree that the Pieta arc is the worse one in the show. And Priscilla is double dosing on those steriods... Finally, with my current score, i'll bring it down from 9 to 8. Still a very good show, but the Pieta arc has prevented Claymore from ever getting a 10. |
BlueYoshi said: Some of you are always complaining about the damn manga. If you love it so much, why don't you marry it? Uhm, right... That makes loads of sense. |
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Krelian said: BlueYoshi said: Some of you are always complaining about the damn manga. If you love it so much, why don't you marry it? Uhm, right... That makes loads of sense. I got the joke. |
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| Edited because this is one of my "tired midnight" posts. |
BlueYoshiSep 23, 2007 7:01 AM
| Yes, because Naruto is definitely great (lol). And I'm sure Bleach's fillers are awesome as well. /sarcasm |
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| Indeed. And it seems quite natural to discuss the manga to some extent considering the anime is an adaptation. Obviously discussing how they compare would be quite relevant and completely normal. |
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| Ok, ok, those last two posts is one of my "midnight, not thinking properly moments" when i usually type the wrong thing. Of course discussing and comparing to the manga is normal and relevent. And...and...ugh...I can't think...let's just drop this. It took me 10 minutes to post this because the internet crashed on me. |
| I just find it sort of odd that, for the first five-sixths of this show they seemed to be so precise and meticulous in reproducing the manga, actual frame-by-frame in some instances, and then just take such a big tangent here at the end. I try to imagine myself as not having read the manga, and I suppose I could see how the last few episodes could have taken place. Maybe the adaptation was so precise (up to 23, at least), that they just didn't have enough story to fill the remaining three episodes, since a lot of people (myself included) were thinking that the story was going to end shortly after the Rigardo fight and "lights" scene with some sort of flash-forward epilogue. Nothing so major has happened yet that they couldn't proceed with the manga from the point above, if they wanted. Of course, it will take four or five years to get enough manga source to get a new season if they went at the pace they did this past season; but since they have now shown a willingness to deviate from the source, maybe it will come sooner than that, although I wouldn't hold my breath for it. |
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Yumi said: to yourmessagehere: what's the point of adapting the anime from the manga if you'll gonna create your own ending? and what about priscilla? is she from dragonball? she went super saiyan with all the muscles getting bigger there.. haayz... well everybody has their own opinion, some liked it some didnt so whats wrong in sharing our opinions You'll have to ask the animators about why they made it and deviated from the manga. Perhaps they couldn't afford to do something that long. Is the manga still being made? I don't know; if it is, perhaps they felt they couldn't wait until it ended. Perhaps there was some kind of licensing thing involved, i.e. if they don't use their license soon it'll lapse and the money they spent on it will be wasted. Maybe they thought now was just Claymore's time. I have no idea. I like what they've done and I'm glad they've done it. Ophelia turns into a giant serpent. Jeane ends up with butterfly wings before Clare helps her suppress her awakening. Clare has spent a couple of episodes with goat legs and now has what seems to be huge, bladed hair. To me, Priscilla doesn't really stand out in company like that. And (sigh, why is it always me that gets this stuff?) nothing's wrong with sharing your opinions, which is why I've done the same, I just disagree with yours. I'm not looking for a fight, I just think differently from you. Think what you like, and I shall too, but if you find you can't deal with people disagreeing with you, maybe you shouldn't post your opinions for discussion? Edit: slightly too aggressive before. |
| Actually, I think the reason for the original ending is that the manga isn't much past the Pieta arc and it's progressing quite slowly. As Iri noted, it'd take years for the manga to amass enough material for a second season, and the alternatives are loads of crap filler (a la Bleach or Naruto) or too many years of making the fanbase wait for a continuation. With that in mind I don't mind them opting for an original ending. What I do mind is it sucking. =P As for Priscilla, she already had an awakened form. An awesome awakened form, at that. The problem isn't that, it's the rather ridiculous "Oh, she's awakening some more!" and the fact that her awakened form was badly drawn and far too beefy compared to its original debut. |
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| Well I liked it, though the animation quality has definitely gone way down. Still hoping Raki will bite it in the end... |
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| Uhm... gripes first -- what happened to the animation quality? And I thought deep stomach wounds are really fatal (think back to Deneve in an earlier episode), how come Jeane running around lugging someone uphill? 0_o Hmm... the fight between Miria and co. was great, imo. Believable since Priscilla is toying with them and the former is pretty much fixated on Clare. Krelian said: As for Priscilla, she already had an awakened form. An awesome awakened form, at that. The problem isn't that, it's the rather ridiculous "Oh, she's awakening some more!" and the fact that her awakened form was badly drawn and far too beefy compared to its original debut. I have to echo Krelian's thoughts on Priscilla's awakening. I was pretty much caught off-guard by Priscilla's Awakening Level 2. I was actually reminded of Younger Toguro. A bit related -- I liked Ichigo's sleek Bankai form, badass without having to resort to bulking muscles / ginormous accessories. ^^ Haven't voted as my feeling is between Disliked it and It Was Ok. :/ I'm looking forward to Clare's Awakened Form, though. :) Edited: Removed redundant sentence. ^^ |
gothicpsycheOct 1, 2007 4:37 PM
| Decent Episode. Expected more from it though...since it is the 2nd to last episode. Oh well looking forward to the last episode. Clare looked beast at the end of this one, I wanna see what she can do. |
| Clare is starting to look like something out of "God of War"! |
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| well, the show seemed to be getting pretty shonen jump at the beginning of this ep. Clare fights Priscilla, she's totally outclassed & gets pwned. Then 3 of her comrades show up. They fight get pwned. The pacing was killing me. This didn't really look up for me until Priscilla Re-Awakened or Awakened Level 2. Then it started to feel more like the series I loved. I don't know what, but its going to have to do something pretty spectacular to get me liking it as much as I did before everything became awakenings and powerups. I have hope... I have hope. |
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| I'll admit this wasn't a very good episode, sort of reminded me of DBZ a little bit. Not a good thing. |
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Sobzob said: noelhoi said: Very disappointing episode. This episode honestly is just bad ;__; I think I have to rate down this show now...argh >_< Indeed, it've already gone from 10/10 to a 8/10 ever since they came to Pieta =[ And it feels like it wants an ever lower rating. just like me I start with 10 also and now I think I will give it 7 |
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