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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- So Griffith said the words. |
| Volume 11 Parting [Pg.169-187] So Griffith blames Gatts? Are you kidding me? >:/ |
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| Awesome. This was one of my favorite moments in the anime and I loved it here as well. Hate to say it, but a lot of what the God Hand says and Griffith's conclusion does make sense. I mean, I don't agree with it, but I can certainly see the thought process there. It's interesting how some of things Guts has said throughout the story actually motivated Griffith to make the decision. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| The ultimate sacrifice. |
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| So, this is how Griffith thanks his Band of the Hawk for their loyalty? Asshole! Blaming Gutts is a stupid move as well. Griffith has no one to blame but himself. |
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| Griffith has been so selfish. Just so, so, selfish. |
| Griffith for the win! I like Guts, but Griffith is on another level :) |
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| I like how everybody assumes Griffith accepting the God Hand's offer makes him evil, but why? Because they associate with demons? A logical conclusion, but we haven't yet been given evidence that being a demon automatically makes the being's actions evil. Is it because he is knowingly sacrificing the Band of the Hawk to achieve power? How is that truly any different from everything he's done so far? He was sacrificing the band to achieve power then, too. That's how war is. A person in authority or seeking authority sacrifices their military might to keep or gain power. The only real difference here is how they're being sacrificed. One could argue the biggest problem is he's consulting with demons for power and maybe even becoming a demon himself, but this isn't a fact that necessarily needs to be problematic either. And when it's considered he's achieving essentially godhood for the same sacrifice that when done through conventional war could have only at best granted him kingship (if even that), the sacrifice seems comparably small. I'm not saying I agree with his decision... but from a purely logical standpoint, I can't say I disagree with it either. It's really quite interesting stuff and this series is brilliant to portray it in such a neutral way. The most concerning issue I have as a reader with less concern about the logic of such a decision and an emotional attachment to the characters is... who's going to survive this? ._. |
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| It's one of those moments when the chosen one turns out to be the main antagonist himself. E.g Anakin Skywalker from star wars or obito uchiha from naruto etc however even if it's the same principle, the difference is made of how the story around this protagonist who then turns into has been told. In this example it's grabbing towards perfection. |
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| Welp, he said it... LAWWWD HAVE MERCY! |
| He Who Hunts Dragons" The kill drangons, great sword to kill this demon kekeke |
| His dream was more important than his friends. |
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| Sure, he'll have all that power by sacrificing his comrades, but I wonder what will he do once he attained godhood? His companions are not really the desirable type (except giant woman in a way) and he'll just be attending apostle initiations and sacrifices kek It's happening... They've been branded ;-; Is it weird that I considered getting a brand of sacrifice tattoo in my neck |
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| Noooooooooooooooooo Fuck you, Griffith. No, I don't want this to happen ,_, |
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| he who hunts dragons so many iconic panels 2 not over 😫 |
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| Aww man I was close to tearing up looking at sad Guts face ;___; |
| The cost of defying fate with the power of evil... A cost so heavy you cannot even bare to think about it or else it will leave you paralyzed and swallowed up by it before you can achieve your goal. I understand it...but it's a very cruel thing to do. |
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| Griffith... You just did something unforgivable. Did you really get to that point in order to fulfill your wish? I love how moments like these give a lot to think about. |
| Griffith finally said it. The Hawk is screwed. |
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| for those saying he blamed guts ... he didn't blame Guts for anything he simply stated , "Guts is the one who made him forget his dream" Griff was consciously aware he's been sacrifcing people to obtain "his castle" Guts was the one , where as long as he was by his side ... maybe Griff viewed Guts as his castle . A solace , of sorts Griff would have still obtained Midland , but with Guts by his side he wasn't so pressed for time. Guts was his only true equal , that made Griff forget his dreams ... he doesn't blame Guts for anything |
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kushmonatl said: he didn't blame Guts for anything he simply stated , "Guts is the one who made him forget his dream" I believe Griffith blamed Guts a fair share for what happened. In his eyes, Guts is the one who led him astray from his "true purpose" in life. It's Guts' fault for breaking him and the subsequent torture that followed because of that. The first thing he tried to do when he reunited with Guts was to try strangling him. You can see in a lot of instances when they broke him out of jail, the malice with which he looked towards Guts. The malice he felt though, was parallel to a great love and admiration towards him, too. And since Griffith is a very emotionally immature person he didn't know how to deal with these new found feelings of finally seeing someone as an equal and a friend. So, I'd say it's a mixture of both. |
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DiscordMod said: kushmonatl said: he didn't blame Guts for anything he simply stated , "Guts is the one who made him forget his dream" I believe Griffith blamed Guts a fair share for what happened. In his eyes, Guts is the one who led him astray from his "true purpose" in life. It's Guts' fault for breaking him and the subsequent torture that followed because of that. The first thing he tried to do when he reunited with Guts was to try strangling him. You can see in a lot of instances when they broke him out of jail, the malice with which he looked towards Guts. The malice he felt though, was parallel to a great love and admiration towards him, too. And since Griffith is a very emotionally immature person he didn't know how to deal with these new found feelings of finally seeing someone as an equal and a friend. So, I'd say it's a mixture of both. I'll agree with that , its probably a mixture of both |
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| well... that answers that |
| So that's how and why the Brand on Guts came to be. |
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