AlexSadist-sama said: However, good thing there's Hellsing/Hellsing Ultimate. That's what real vampires should be like! 100% TRUTH It's great that anime/manga gave us that amazing story. |
mylovelyfate said: Drunk_Samurai said: It's not really abusive as much as it is creepy, and i'll admit that. mylovelyfate said: *sigh* so many people bitch and complain how people are so obsessed with twilight when it's nothing to fathom, when in fact they talk about twilight more than the average fan. that being said, no, i am not some twilight groupie although i did read and enjoy the books, and i've seen the movies. God forbid Stephanie Meyer stepped outside your typical vampire story and made something that was her own. We must kill her for having an idea that wasn't the same as all Hollywood's ideas .................. o.o c'mon now. sure, you may not like how she interpreted vampires, but to each is own. whilst in English today we were reading this essay called the educated imagination, and well, my teacher was telling us that the books worth is in the eye of the beholder. You can't blame the author for writing a sub par book when it's all to do with how you interpret it. >< but i'm so tired of EVERYONE talking about twilight whether it be praising it or complaining about it, can we all talk about something a little more worth our time ... Sonic_Moronic said: +1Oh my god, a fictional character is losing his status?! WHAT THE HELL ARE WE GONNA DO I don't hate Twilight for its portrayal of vampires as much as I do to the abuse in the books and people thinking its not abusive. Being controlling is being abusive. |
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MelbShaw said: Since this thread is about twilight and that's how it ended. That's just too stupid for words. I wonder if the baby will sparkle in the sun as well. |
MelbShaw said: Since this thread is about twilight and that's how it ended. ugh I never fucking understood this, Vampires are freaken undead how the fuck can they have kids? |
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Jigero said: MelbShaw said: Since this thread is about twilight and that's how it ended. ugh I never fucking understood this, Vampires are freaken undead how the fuck can they have kids? Same way zombies can have kids in "Dawn of the Dead". |
alexcampos said: Monad said: Seriously though. Inner Moka maybe good for you as character but she isn't really very vampire like. She a comedic fanservice for Christ sake. She's closer to Twitlight that being away from it. While Victoria is one motherfucking badass girl that will kick your ass and rape you upside down that spends her days killing Nazi SS vampire monsters. #1 How the hell would we know who can beat who, when they are so very different??? #2 You talk about Inner Moka from the anime, the manga (which is a million times different and better) she's completely different and much stronger. #3 The picture of Inner Moka is a manga picture, not an anime one, again I'm talking about the manga NOT anime. #4 I think you said the first picture is from Shiki, I don't watch that anime, therefore I don't know her. #5 I clearly stated that I'm not here to bash Twilight or their fans, I don't care about them, I also clearly said that I prefer Moka because of HER BODY. #6 Seras has a hot body too, just not as good as Moka (don't fight me on this one, this is PURE OPINION and Preferences.) #1 That's simple to answer. Because she's the spawn of Alucard. And Alucard is what other vampires see when they have nightmares. #2-3 Ok i give you that, the manga is better but it's not like it isn't more on the harem fanservice side. And yeah her look in that pic has a little badass in it. #4 You don't have to know her. All you have to know is that she's some vampire from Shiki and the vampires there can be really creepy. #5-6 Yeah that's nice and all and you can have your personal opinion about how hot Inner Moka's body is but i highly doubt that the OP's problem with Twilight was the fact that the vampires didn't have hot enough bodies. CDRW said: Monad said: They were that bad. One of the main, but often unspoken characteristics of vampires are charisma. Rich douchebags are not charismatic. Not only that, rich douchebags aren't sexy either. Rich douchebags are not frightening, or threatening, or, or, or, anything besides rich douchebags. I blame Underworld for making people think that rich douchebags with big teeth and a tanning phobia are even remotely related to vampires. Underworld is why the Twilight vampires look the way they do.CDRW said: Come on, vampires were ruined long before Twilight, since at least Underworld, probably even longer. They weren't that bad in Underworld. Is just you hating the movie. A reason vampires in underworld didn't seem much like scary creatures in the shadows is because Underworld was showing there war with Lycans.That charisma you are talking about is some strange ability they have to attract humans but humans weren't playing much part in the movie. They weren't even chasing weak humans so we could see humans shitting themselves from fear. But other than that i don't see your point. What to you mean rich fucks? Because they leaved in that huge mansion or whatever? Vampires live for thousands of years, of course they will build some huge house to live. If they where around fro thousands of years and still live in caves not managing to get some money then that really shows lack of intelligence and charisma. Even Dracula was a rich fuck and had a big castle. Vampires ether have fortunes they had as humans that they can use, or they make some since they live so long. Anyway twilight has affected the mind of young girls. Even Seras had the wrong idea the first time she learn she was a vampire,  |
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ichigo03 said: I remember when I was a kid, one of the scariest but at the same time one of the most respected monsters was the Vampire. I guess... you've never seen the Gay Vampire skits from SNL |
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alexcampos said: I've been waiting for a thread like this. I'm not going to bash Twilight or it's fan base, I'm a big Vampire fan, but this is how I like to see them: MALE VAMPIRES:  Badass, merciless creatures that are feared by all, and have incredible powers. FEMALE VAMPIRES:  Equally as badass as the male vampires, with a hot body as well. Obviously my views as a male is very different than those of a female, I prefer my Male Vampires to be manly and my female vampires to be sexy, so in the end it's a matter of preference and maybe even what gender you are. THIS!!!! Although everyone has different view how Vampire should look, but I agree with alexcampos that this is HOW SHOULD vampire look! And that Twilight film is like porn to teenagers girls...It sucks, yup. |
alexcampos said: Sonic_Moronic said: Oh my god, a fictional character is losing his status?! WHAT THE HELL ARE WE GONNA DO You do know you just made that statement on an ANIME site, right? You do know that every single anime here is fictional and universes away from reality, whether it's stupid or not to debate this, I don't think pointing out the "fictional" aspect is going to deter anyone from the debate. Again, WE ARE ON AN ANIME SITE.... Yeah, I know, but there's something that people have, and it's distinguishing fiction from reality. If you care so deeply about a character that you're ready to have discussions full of hate, you should chill the fuck out. IT'S A GODDAMN BOOK. AND A GODDAMN MOVIE. Out of all the soulless Hollywood crap you could watch, Twilight is nothing to get so worked about. Actually, there are tons of anime series that totally rewrite mythological/fictional characters, somebody could get worked up over Alucard. To me he's incredibly cool and awesome, but he also refrains from the "vampire image" or whatever. |
| I think that when Twilight the book FIRST came out before all of the hype that it was a different take on vamp mythology. The great thing about mythology is that it can be interpreted in a thousand different ways. I agree there's nothing all that special about Meyer's writing. She's just a normal teen novel writer. THEN the films came out and ruined the respect that Meyer had. Summit hired pathetic actors and the mainstream media ruined it completely. The films ruined the books for me and so did the popularity. I don't like it when people jump on the band wagon so when everyone started to I jumped off! THEN more and more books were released to cash in on the vamp craze, if you go into a book store now and went to the teen section. You would fit hardly any original novels. I blame the media. I don't think that Twilight has ruined everyone's view on vampires because we have other programs like True Blood for instance which is a far better interpretation of vampires. You can't deny that True Blood is directed by a genuis! Alan Ball is fantastic! |
| Vampires are supposed to be badass, scary and good looking. Twilight vampires are enfeminated, pathetic, and look ridiculous. Werewolves are supposed to be hairy, bloodthirsty and actually look like a hybrid. Twilight werewolves are shaved, lusty and look like fucking oversized dogs. That's what pisses people off. Not the fact that they "changed from the original image", but they were made the complete OPPOSITE. Lots of movies/books deviate from the "vampire image" or "werewolf image", but at least they still retain the good parts. alexcampos said: Obviously my views as a male is very different than those of a female, I prefer my Male Vampires to be manly and my female vampires to be sexy, so in the end it's a matter of preference and maybe even what gender you are. This. Couldn't have said it more clearly. The examples were also perfect: Alucard and Inner Moka. Badass, good looking, and scary. THAT'S how a real vampire should be. |
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| Sadly I have been put off by the fanbase, which is a terrible thing, I may well watch the twilight films and remove my rabidfan bias. Though on a separate note, me and my friends said if we had to do one man we'd do patterson, make him cry and rub it in the fangirls' faces. |
alexcampos said: I've been waiting for a thread like this. I'm not going to bash Twilight or it's fan base, I'm a big Vampire fan, but this is how I like to see them: MALE VAMPIRES: Badass, merciless creatures that are feared by all, and have incredible powers. FEMALE VAMPIRES: Equally as badass as the male vampires, with a hot body as well. Obviously my views as a male is very different than those of a female, I prefer my Male Vampires to be manly and my female vampires to be sexy, so in the end it's a matter of preference and maybe even what gender you are. Alucard is awesome, and Moka (inner) is also one of my favourite characters. I've never been a fan of Twilight, but there are some other amazing vampires / vampire stories out there, such as the two above. |
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Sonic_Moronic said: Actually, there are tons of anime series that totally rewrite mythological/fictional characters, somebody could get worked up over Alucard. To me he's incredibly cool and awesome, but he also refrains from the "vampire image" or whatever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosferatu_%28word%29 Spirited said: I think that when Twilight the book FIRST came out before all of the hype that it was a different take on vamp mythology. The great thing about mythology is that it can be interpreted in a thousand different ways. I agree there's nothing all that special about Meyer's writing. She's just a normal teen novel writer. THEN the films came out and ruined the respect that Meyer had. Summit hired pathetic actors and the mainstream media ruined it completely. The films ruined the books for me and so did the popularity. I don't like it when people jump on the band wagon so when everyone started to I jumped off! THEN more and more books were released to cash in on the vamp craze, if you go into a book store now and went to the teen section. You would fit hardly any original novels. I blame the media. I don't think that Twilight has ruined everyone's view on vampires because we have other programs like True Blood for instance which is a far better interpretation of vampires. You can't deny that True Blood is directed by a genuis! Alan Ball is fantastic! That reminds me. I once went into a bookstore and they actually had Twilight in the literature section. I was disgusted. Also I don't care that much about her ruining vampires images. It's the abuse that everybody eats up as normal that gets me. |
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MorningGlorySep 16, 2010 8:59 AM
| i dont think it was twilight that ruined the vamps theres been planty of other movies/shows b 4 hand that made vampires pussy looking metrosexuals ,twilight was juss the last dagger in the back :) |
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bonecrunch said: i dont think it was twilight that ruined the vamps theres been planty of other movies/shows b 4 hand that made vampires pussy looking metrosexuals ,twilight was juss the last dagger in the back :) I don't think anything other than Twilight had the potential to ruin the vampire's image. Unfortunately though, I think the damage has been done at this point. If you go to the teen section at a local Barnes and Noble the entire wall is vampire book after vampire book after vampire book. I just wish people would give this the same treatment that I have to consistently remind myself with HSotD. It's not a book about Vampires. It's a romance novel aimed at teenage girls that happens to have vampires/werewolfs, just like HSotD is fanservice with zombies, not the other way around :/. Either way though, I agree with alexcampos. Vampires should be badass, good looking, and not sparkling. |
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yun90 said: I have this same problemI never like Twilight. Ever since Twilight came out, I started to hate other vampire-romance movies/series. |
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ichigo03 said: but unfortunately it has also given us Vampire Knight, the Japanese version of Twilight, Oh wow. I actually heard that from my friend once. There's nothing to worry really. I know Meyerpires suck and all that, but at least the common vampire fan and pretty much everyone I talk to still knows who and what Dracula is. If you ask a vampire fan an example of a good vampire and answers "Edward Cullen", then start worrying. |
| Eh. I remember when I was like nine I read all about vampires and ghost because I was a strange child. Now I feel like if I want to spout off any stupid facts about the former I'm a loser. And that's how Twilight kicked my quirky knowledge in the teeth. |
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| Its not even just the vampire image... its every vampire romance. Even if its good people are just like 'eugh vampire romance again' some are actually good... like True Blood :P but its not as appreciated cause its got vampires in it... |
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| I never cared to get into the series. But from what I heard the vampire thing is only a gimmick, it's just another teen hunk franchise. :/ |
Monad said: CDRW said: Monad said: They were that bad. One of the main, but often unspoken characteristics of vampires are charisma. Rich douchebags are not charismatic. Not only that, rich douchebags aren't sexy either. Rich douchebags are not frightening, or threatening, or, or, or, anything besides rich douchebags. I blame Underworld for making people think that rich douchebags with big teeth and a tanning phobia are even remotely related to vampires. Underworld is why the Twilight vampires look the way they do.CDRW said: Come on, vampires were ruined long before Twilight, since at least Underworld, probably even longer. They weren't that bad in Underworld. Is just you hating the movie. A reason vampires in underworld didn't seem much like scary creatures in the shadows is because Underworld was showing there war with Lycans.That charisma you are talking about is some strange ability they have to attract humans but humans weren't playing much part in the movie. They weren't even chasing weak humans so we could see humans shitting themselves from fear. But other than that i don't see your point. What to you mean rich fucks? Because they leaved in that huge mansion or whatever? Vampires live for thousands of years, of course they will build some huge house to live. If they where around fro thousands of years and still live in caves not managing to get some money then that really shows lack of intelligence and charisma. Even Dracula was a rich fuck and had a big castle. Vampires ether have fortunes they had as humans that they can use, or they make some since they live so long. No no no, charisma and their ability to sucker humans ain't the same thing at all. Take Dracula for example, he was rich, but never a douchebag. At all times he was an upstanding chap, even going so far as to ask the people around him to correct his language if his accent showed too much. Even without hypno-powers he's the sort of guy that attracts hero worshipers. He stands above everyone around him by sheer weight of personality and awesomeness. The Underworld vampires were posing. They were trying to project the air of being above everything else, but lacked the substance. Maybe this will help you understand. Dracula. Charismatic. Underworld. Rich douchebag.  |
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| I don't know how old you are, but when I was a kid, vampires were still fetishized. I am 20 now and I can still remember tons of adult/young adult novels about sexy male vampires. The cheesy image of the Dracula vampire didn't stand to last too long with the younger generation. Twilight is just the first series to gain as much momentum as it has. In the 90's there was Buffy. Anne Rice started writing in the late 70's. Twilight has not "ruined vampires". It just happens to be a popular shitty series containing vampires. I maintain that there are vampires series out there worth enjoying. Also, i'd like to point out that the cool part about mythical creatures is that they don't all have to be the same :D |
NanalillySep 16, 2010 3:03 PM
| not really u cant really blame twilight for the new look on vampires its ppls choice on what they think a vampire cuz really who says they arent like the guys from twilight maybe they really so sparkle or maybe not or its half n half we will never know till we see a real one |
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lust4anime said: not really u cant really blame twilight for the new look on vampires its ppls choice on what they think a vampire cuz really who says they arent like the guys from twilight maybe they really so sparkle or maybe not or its half n half we will never know till we see a real one If you seriously think vampires exist then please check yourself into an insane asylum. |
lust4anime said: not really u cant really blame twilight for the new look on vampires its ppls choice on what they think a vampire cuz really who says they arent like the guys from twilight maybe they really so sparkle or maybe not or its half n half we will never know till we see a real one We won't see one...they don't exist. |
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Nanalilly said: This.I don't know how old you are, but when I was a kid, vampires were still fetishized. I am 20 now and I can still remember tons of adult/young adult novels about sexy male vampires. The cheesy image of the Dracula vampire didn't stand to last too long with the younger generation. Twilight is just the first series to gain as much momentum as it has. In the 90's there was Buffy. Anne Rice started writing in the late 70's. Twilight has not "ruined vampires". It just happens to be a popular shitty series containing vampires. I maintain that there are vampires series out there worth enjoying. Also, i'd like to point out that the cool part about mythical creatures is that they don't all have to be the same :D And always remember this statistically unproved rule: 90% of all things suck. |
| I think Twilight is horrible, but you can't blame that series for "ruining" vampires. As with all fictional monsters, the way the story is told is constantly changing depending upon the one writing the tale. There have been many emotional vampire tales way before Twilight. Hell, going back into the 60s there was an amazing show called Dark Shadows that, as far as I'm concerned, began the sympathetic vampire. Don't be so narrow as to think the vampire legend has to be told in an ever consistent way. I'm sure there will be more horror based vampire tales just as I'm sure there will be more emotion and sympathetic vampire based tales. Let people create whatever the hell vampire stories they want to create and let the ones who enjoy them enjoy them. Nothing has been "ruined" it. |
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Tachii said: And always remember this statistically unproved rule: 90% of all things suck. 90% of things might suck, but some things suck harder than others, and the overwhelming majority of MAL members think that Twilight sucks hard. I personally hate the fanbase (which is comprised of preteen fanatical girls) more than the actual book, movie, or characters. Every popular entity has a fanbase, and all of those fanbases will eventually be hated, but once again, some of them are hated much more than others, and Twilight is a perfect example of that. I tend to just ignore it and not let it get to me, yes it annoys me, but the key is to just ignore it, when you see a commercial change it, when you see it in a magazine, quickly turn the page. The more something is shoved in your face the more it angers you, however; if we can feint ignorance we can manage. |
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Nanalilly said: Twilight has not "ruined vampires". It just happens to be a popular shitty series containing vampires. I maintain that there are vampires series out there worth enjoying. I completely agree with you. xD The House of Night series was especially interesting, because they were vampires... But at the same time not... Surprisingly, Talia Gryphon's Key novels were more interesting than Twilight to me. I mean, yeah, everybody, especially Gillian, was basically a sue: but at the same time, they were hilarious. Gillian's attitude towards life and her cut-throat bitch tendencies were awesome. And the vampires were still typical, too... But I digress. Twilight = a good read maybe, if you're bored or something. Or if you just want to see cute-ish teen romance. Or something like that. : / |
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Saska-hime said: But I digress. Twilight = a good read maybe, if you're bored or something. Or if you just want to see cute-ish teen romance. Or something like that. : / I certainly hope teen romances are not full of abuse. |
Saska-hime said: But I digress. Twilight = a good read maybe, if you're bored or something. Or if you just want to see cute-ish teen romance. Or something like that. : / I certainly hope teen romances are not full of abuse. |
feder said: xxRitsukaxx said: I grew up with the Night World books. Those books are great. read the Night World series those books are like 100% better than twilight. plus twilight copied the authors other books alot. its not even funny how much was copied D: I couldn't care less about Twilight...they're not real vampires anyway. wow thats cool :D i only read them a couple years ago. |
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| Well, as the years go by, interpretations of many mythological beings have been changed significantly (elves and fairies weren't always so friendly, you know). Twilight is just one of many works that had this effect; I don't see how it's any different than fairy tales people tell their kids. Heck, vampires themselves are just awful envisionings of Vlad the Impaler. |
Saska-hime said: Nanalilly said: Twilight has not "ruined vampires". It just happens to be a popular shitty series containing vampires. I maintain that there are vampires series out there worth enjoying. I completely agree with you. xD The House of Night series was especially interesting, because they were vampires... But at the same time not... While the vampires were better in that series, the writing and characters still greatly suck. Especially the main character. |
| I've never been a rabid fan of vampires, but I don't mind them either. The only argument I have with Twilight is that it's just poorly written. The same thing goes for the typo-ridden House of Night series, ugh. It's not the vampires (though sparkling douchebags aren't really vampires); it's the poor literature which makes them suck. In manga, I like Alucard from Hellsing. He's so bad@$$! That's what I call a real vampire. (I do have to admit that Vampire Knight is a guilty pleasure.) |
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| Sorry to tell, but the nice vampire was invented long time before Twilight... Take as exemple, the known series "Vampire Diaries" The series is new, but the books it based on are from almost 20 years ago. I don't know when it actually started, but it's not new things that vampires are nice and pretty "pathetic". |
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EfiChan said: Sorry to tell, but the nice vampire was invented long time before Twilight... Take as exemple, the known series "Vampire Diaries" The series is new, but the books it based on are from almost 20 years ago. I don't know when it actually started, but it's not new things that vampires are nice and pretty "pathetic". Twilight has nice vampires? |
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