Mugiwarayaa___ said: is it necessary to watch fate stay/night 2006 ? Yes and no. The Fate franchise is a complete multi-verse, with each Anime taking place in its own continuity. So nothing is "necessary", but some are built up on another ones. If you only want to watch Fate/Zero, then you can ignore everything else, and watch it. However, if you wanna go for the whole franchise, avoid starting with Fate/Zero, as it contains massive spoilers for the rest of the main story. As for the 2006 Anime, it's the most easily skippable part of the main story, but i always recommend to stick with it, as it's the only entry doing the thing it is doing. Mugiwarayaa___ said: can anyone please explain the fate series order Sure; the 2006 Anime, Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel are the 3 parts of the main story. They are "Routes" (ie. They starts the same, uses the same characters, but ends up being completely different story. It's as if the timeline was reset each Anime, and the protagonist makes different choices, impacting everything.) They are created to be watched in this very strict order, as each one is built on the revelations of the previous one. Then, there is Fate/Zero, which is a massive flashback about all the truths we learnt about in the 3 stories. Therefore, it contains spoilers for almost everything, and was created to be experienced after knowing of all these. The rest of the franchise is indirect Spin-Off and parodies. If you need the whole list : Edit : I added more explanations to be clear. |
Alexioos95Feb 25, 5:40 AM
 "Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... & hungry." – Alexioos95. |
| Watching 2006 is more necessary than watching zero. The proper anime order is just 2006 -> UBW 2015 -> HF movie trilogy. Zero is a spinoff just like everything else that came post-FSN and is meant to be (optionally) watched after you've consumed the original story, which consists of the aforementioned 3 routes, only if you want to watch more fate stuff. |
swamp881 said: Some people say Lord El Melloi or whatever is a part of this “main storyline” but I’ve never checked it out It's said to be part of the Main Story because it's about Waver (from Fate/Zero) as an adult, 2 months before the Holy Grail War of Fate/Stay Night. The story itself and its themes are very different from the rest of the franchise, and has nothing to do with it, directly at least. It's more akin to an expansion of the Nasuverse than one of the Fate franchise. And actually, Fate/Zero is not even part of the Main Story (Fate/Stay Night Visual Novel, and at most also Fate/Hollow Ataraxia), it just became a common assumption in the fandom because of how well liked it is. If Fate/Zero is not, there is absolutely no reason for Lord El Melloi II to be. |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... & hungry." – Alexioos95. |
| I didn't watch 2006 and started with Zero and I had a hard time getting into it because Zero expects you to know certain characters from 2006 and to have a connection to them, especially Saber. I did not feel like the characters were introduced naturally watching Zero and the important events at the end of Zero don't hit as much when you don't know what happens as a consequence (I hope this makes sense lol). UBW and Zero don't work without 2006 even though it may be disappointing |
_ExonFeb 25, 1:02 PM
Alexioos95 said: Mugiwarayaa___ said: is it necessary to watch fate stay/night 2006 ? Yes and no. The Fate franchise is a complete multi-verse, with each Anime taking place in its own continuity. So nothing is "necessary", but some are built up on another ones. If you only want to watch Fate/Zero, then you can ignore everything else, and watch it. However, if you wanna go for the whole franchise, avoid starting with Fate/Zero, as it contains massive spoilers for the rest of the main story. As for the 2006 Anime, it's the most easily skippable part of the main story, but i always recommend to stick with it, as it's the only entry doing the thing it is doing. Mugiwarayaa___ said: can anyone please explain the fate series order Sure; the 2006 Anime, Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel are the 3 parts of the main story. They are "Routes" (ie. They starts the same, uses the same characters, but ends up being completely different story. It's as if the timeline was reset each Anime, and the protagonist makes different choices, impacting everything.) They are created to be watched in this very strict order, as each one is built on the revelations of the previous one. Then, there is Fate/Zero, which is a massive flashback about all the truths we learnt about in the 3 stories. Therefore, it contains spoilers for almost everything, and was created to be experienced after knowing of all these. The rest of the franchise is indirect Spin-Off and parodies. If you need the whole list : Edit : I added more explanations to be clear. Quoting for myself, fate list |
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_Exon said: UBW doesn't work without Zero and Zero doesn't work without 2006 even though it may be disappointing Why do you think UBW doesn't work without Zero ? That Route is entirely built-up on the Fate Route (the 2006 Anime), and nothing more. |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... & hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Alexioos95 said: _Exon said: UBW doesn't work without Zero and Zero doesn't work without 2006 even though it may be disappointing Why do you think UBW doesn't work without Zero ? That Route is entirely built-up on the Fate Route (the 2006 Anime), and nothing more. Ufotable relies on you knowing Zero before watching UBW mostly for minor aspects e.g. what happened at the fourth holy grail war, the dynamic between Rin and Sakura, Gilgamesh's appearance and power, and Illya's backstory. But if I didn't knew about them I would have been confused and taken out of my immersion. I don't know how much is explained/shown in 2006 to get a better understanding of some events in UBW (or what was added to/left out of UBW because Zero was made beforehand) so I guess you can skip Zero, I can only say that having watched Zero before UBW helped a lot. |
_Exon said: Ufotable relies on you knowing Zero before watching UBW mostly for minor aspects e.g. what happened at the fourth holy grail war, the dynamic between Rin and Sakura, Gilgamesh's appearance and power, and Illya's backstory. That's actually not true. _Exon said: But if I didn't knew about them I would have been confused and taken out of my immersion. That's understandable. However, the Fate Series is mainly a slow-burn mystery story. You are supposed to be confused, that's the style of the story, and even the style of the Author; that's how all his works are. These interactions doesn't always makes much sense, because you don't have all the pieces of puzzle, that you have to assemble yourself through the 3 Routes. All Zero did, was drop them to you before they were supposed to be revealed. |
Alexioos95Feb 25, 12:33 PM
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... & hungry." – Alexioos95. |
| Just do yourself a favor and buy the VN once it officially releases in West (very soon). |
Alexioos95 said: _Exon said: Ufotable relies on you knowing Zero before watching UBW mostly for minor aspects e.g. what happened at the fourth holy grail war, the dynamic between Rin and Sakura, Gilgamesh's appearance and power, and Illya's backstory. That's actually not true. _Exon said: But if I didn't knew about them I would have been confused and taken out of my immersion. That's understandable. However, the Fate Series is mainly a slow-burn mystery story. You are supposed to be confused, that's the style of the story, and even the style of the Author; that's how all his works are. These interactions doesn't always makes much sense, because you don't have all the pieces of puzzle, that you have to assemble yourself through the 3 Routes. All Zero did, was drop them to you before they were supposed to be revealed. I wish I knew that before watching Fate. When I (and probably many more) wanted to get into fate, I read some reviews and the overall consensus was to skip the 2006 adaptation. Anyway, I might have to rephrase my statement. If Fate/Zero is unnecessary to watch, would you still recommend it? |
_Exon said: When I (and probably many more) wanted to get into fate, I read some reviews and the overall consensus was to skip the 2006 adaptation. Unfortunately, yeah. It doesn't hold a candle to the Ufotable Animes on several points, like the Animation, or even the general directing. Story-wise, it also damage the puzzle, by revealing, or atleast strongly hinting infos that are not supposed to be there yet, because of its Anime-Original Episodes made to merge the Routes. Shirô also lost a lot of his characterization. That's why even fans of the Visual Novel recommend to skip it. But that's an Anime from 2006, with just a fine production. How can it be compared to ones from 2010+, by one of the best studio ever, with colossal production value... ? As for the story, the 2006 Anime definitely reduce the weight of the puzzle, but it's literally in it that it's created. Skipping it is skipping the puzzle in itself, so i believe the damage is necessary. And about Shirô, he loses a lot of characterization in the other entries too, but he's made less irritating by removing more dialogues, so it's not really a good point for Ufotable either. That's the problem with the Fate Series in Anime, the 2006 Anime is controversial even for the long time fans, when it's the mandatory start. That's also what motives the "Read the Visual Novel" recommendation. _Exon said: If Fate/Zero is unnecessary to watch, would you still recommend it? Yeah, but for what is it: A fan-service-ish bonus material; not a replacement for the actual story. |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... & hungry." – Alexioos95. |
| I prefer Deen Fate over Zero tbh. Deen Fate has a godly ost and atmosphere and handled the characters better. Nothing in Zero comes close to Archer vs Hercules for example. Zero is quite soulless to me and handled Saber terribly. |
| @DameFather Zero is as canon as Fate Kaleid if we have to be honest here. Both Fate Zero and Fate Kaleid are spinoffs that came 3 years later after the VN in 2007. Zero is a light novel while Kaleid is a manga. Zero serves as Gen Urobuchi take on Fate while Kaleid serves as Illya's route. Apocrypha came much later as a light novel in mid 10s and is an alternative take on the entire universe. Fate Grand Order is more canon than the rest as it is an adaptation of the app game arcs which Nasu writes. |
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