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Nov 16, 2023 10:30 AM
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Episode 17 of Season 2 is likely to go down in animation history. I don’t understand how the team was able to pull off such a masterclass of animation under such challenging conditions. That said, this was absolutely incredible. So many different styles, dozens of jaw-dropping scenes in just 20 minutes. Call me a dickrider if you want. I don’t care.

My only complaint is about some of the inconsistent corrections and the excessive zooming into some drawings, making them look blurry (I believe these were mostly just unfortunate results of the tight schedule). On the other hand, they will most likely be fixed in the Blu-ray release in a few months (along with the removal of dimming and ghosting).

This segment is for people complaining about this episode:
I understand if you don’t like this type of animation, with many scenes being less detailed or less consistent with the original character designs. But that in no way makes it “poorly animated”. Animators should be given the freedom to express themselves and not be too restrained. Sure, it might create some visual whiplash when there is a noticeable difference between two shots, but that doesn’t mean it’s bad animation or poorly drawn. It’s a unique attribute of the animator and it can help them make the scene flow better, or be easier and faster to animate. Some shows may not be fit for this style, but in my eyes, Jujutsu Kaisen is.
You are free to dislike it, but don’t act like only your opinion matters and, if properly explained, respect others’ opinions.

To wrap this up, what a masterpiece of an episode. Absolute cinema. If you enjoyed this episode, I highly encourage you to go thank the directors/animators on social media instead of MAPPA itself. (The directors being: Hakuyu Go, Itsuki Tsuchigami AKA Miso and Harumi Yamazaki, correct me if I’m wrong).
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Nov 16, 2023 10:41 AM
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Look I love the animation in season 2 of jjk and I’m not saying this episode was animated poorly but it was definitely the worse episode animation wise of season 2
Nov 16, 2023 10:42 AM
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Look I love the animation in season 2 of jjk and I’m not saying this episode was animated poorly but it was definitely the worse episode animation wise of season 2

yeah, you definetly dont have eyes
Nov 16, 2023 10:43 AM
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Malevolent kitchen was insane.
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jjk 🍖 riders are definitely going over the top this time to sugar coat the animation, my thoughts are that the animation was decent but not good enough as compared to last few episodes or the last season which came almost 3 years ago
Nov 16, 2023 10:45 AM
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Eldencheese said:
Look I love the animation in season 2 of jjk and I’m not saying this episode was animated poorly but it was definitely the worse episode animation wise of season 2

yeah, you definetly dont have eyes
@SuntProstMare I mean the grasshoper fight at the start of shibuya was bad but the rest of that episode was good.

and like I said this episode was not bad at all the animation was still amazing but is just worse them some of the episodes that came before it
Nov 16, 2023 10:50 AM
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@SuntProstMare I mean the grasshoper fight at the start of shibuya was bad but the rest of that episode was good.

and like I said this episode was not bad at all the animation was still amazing but is just worse them some of the episodes that came before it

ok so tell me and anime with this quality in the last year, or what the previous episodes did Better than this one. the episodes has a different style that Is really good with the fight scenes, the domani expansion godly. you are such dumb ppl saying that this episode Is bad, go and what some cheat skill reincarnation and tell me One thing that Is Better than this. you guys cant appreciete the hard work they put here.
Nov 16, 2023 10:56 AM
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if any of you didn't like the animation in this episode that's fine but to think that it has the worse animation from this season than you don't know the shit about it.
Nov 16, 2023 10:57 AM
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given the ongoing controversies with the studio, I'd say this was an amazing episode, not up to par on what you'd expect but amazing with the working conditions right now. this isn't on the animators but rather the management.
Nov 16, 2023 11:11 AM
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At this moment I don't even care if it was good or bad animation. The chills this episode give me, was out of the world. Just thank the animators of what they give us and stop complaining.
Nov 16, 2023 11:21 AM

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the jjk team is really out of this world and deserves the highest praise, can't believe this ep exists under the terrible management at Mappa
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Nov 16, 2023 11:31 AM
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I could tell it dropped by a good few levels it wasn’t bad but not as good as the rest of the show or other shows this season
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Nov 16, 2023 11:40 AM
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What happened to team mappa who animated s1 and the movie are they working on other projects?.
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Eldencheese said:
Look I love the animation in season 2 of jjk and I’m not saying this episode was animated poorly but it was definitely the worse episode animation wise of season 2

stop seeking for attention
Nov 16, 2023 11:41 AM
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@SuntProstMare I mean the grasshoper fight at the start of shibuya was bad but the rest of that episode was good.

and like I said this episode was not bad at all the animation was still amazing but is just worse them some of the episodes that came before it

ok so tell me and anime with this quality in the last year, or what the previous episodes did Better than this one. the episodes has a different style that Is really good with the fight scenes, the domani expansion godly. you are such dumb ppl saying that this episode Is bad, go and what some cheat skill reincarnation and tell me One thing that Is Better than this. you guys cant appreciete the hard work they put here.
@SuntProstMare i literally said it wasn't bad. and yes i really did appreciate the use of grey lighting at the start of the episode and vibrant red's during sakuna's domain expansion but that's art styling not animation. purely animation wise this episode was worse then at least the last 3 but still amazing and yes i think most people who are even on the fence about mappa at least appreciate their work.

it seems you have something against isekai/fantasy and while yes there are ALOT of poorly animated ones there are some good ones like mushokutensei and eminence in shadow and ones with unique art styles like the recently released My Daughter Left the Nest and Returned an S-Rank Adventurer which has a children's fantasy book art style for the backgrounds and I don't think Sousou no Frieren even needs defending.

"you are such dumb ppl" I don't appreciate the insult but i'm gonna ignore it because the bad grammar kind funny ngl
Nov 16, 2023 11:42 AM
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I think the general consensus among viewers is that the animation is fine, but it’s disappointing to change styles after having an entire season and movie done in a particular style. It’s as if you change an actor of a particular character or changed studios between productions. No matter how good the performance is or well done its animated, it leaves a poor taste in people’s mouths because it’s not what they started out with. It’s just preference.
Nov 16, 2023 11:44 AM
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Look I love the animation in season 2 of jjk and I’m not saying this episode was animated poorly but it was definitely the worse episode animation wise of season 2

stop seeking for attention
@TasteOfRage8 doesn't everyone who post technically post so other people see it aka seeking for attention. including you like what a hypocrite someone who didn't "seek for attention" would never post and make their account private
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@Redetzky Both this and the previous episodes were the best looking ones in the entire series so far. And the previous one activately had a better production time than the usual, so at this point you're just mixing things up.
Nov 16, 2023 11:48 AM
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It was really good but quite sloppy. Kept thinking “ahhh this could have been even better given time.” If it was cleaned up and smoothed out would’ve been one of if not the best anime episode of all time. I can’t understand MAPPA executives at all. I would’ve bought all of the blu-rays if they took care of this series the way it deserves…
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Animation quality seems to be going down in all anime, but this takes the cake for me. I feel bad for the animators, and the result is understandable. Animators did a good job considering the conditions that they worked in.
Nov 16, 2023 11:55 AM

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@Redetzky Both this and the previous episodes were the best looking ones in the entire series so far. And the previous one activately had a better production time than the usual, so at this point you're just mixing things up.
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Both this and the previous episodes were the best looking ones in the entire series so far.

Well, it's not like the rest of episodes looked very good, so it wasn't big deal to make 2 last eps look better than the rest, but still it's not great. Of course speaking regarding s2, because it's far from s1's quality.
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Redetzky said:
The pressure and the tight deadlines imposed on the animators are now felt and the consequences are before ours eyes and if Mappa does not change its approach, this season of JKK will become the biggest disappointment of the history of modern animation when this anime is supposed yo be at its peak.


Seeing this episode feels as if I am literally watching the animators scrambling to meet absolutely impossible deadlines under inhumane working conditions.

Sympathizing with the animators' plight is rational...however...going to ridiculous lengths ("Episode 17 of Season 2 is likely to go down in animation history.") to defend the end result is, in my opinion, irrational. Such a standpoint may in fact convey that there's nothing wrong at MAPPA and that the production committee is completely justified in it's megalomaniacal decision to skyrocket past KyoAni by simply animating everything under the Sun.

In my opinion, by overtly praising this episode, (which feels like the literal embodiment of the animators' plight) as a historical masterpiece, we are actually insulting their talent...which they didn't get a chance to properly showcase because of impossible deadlines.
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Do people really believe this show looks better than Frieren or Shangri-La Frontier?
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moon_fish said:
It was really good but quite sloppy. Kept thinking “ahhh this could have been even better given time.” If it was cleaned up and smoothed out would’ve been one of if not the best anime episode of all time. I can’t understand MAPPA executives at all. I would’ve bought all of the blu-rays if they took care of this series the way it deserves…

Yeah I agree. I kinda hope they delay it so that the last few episodes get the treatment they should. I am kinda worried that that won’t be the case, since MAPPA and Shuiesha just can’t risk loosing a small bit of profit.
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Do people really believe this show looks better than Frieren or Shangri-La Frontier?

Definitely looks better than shangri-la but frieren personally I think there about even but that’s debatable
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Eldencheese said:
Look I love the animation in season 2 of jjk and I’m not saying this episode was animated poorly but it was definitely the worse episode animation wise of season 2

In my opinion this ep was better than ep 16
Nov 16, 2023 12:05 PM
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In my opinion this ep was insane and the best out of all the other episodes.
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It was under my expectations, i mean this is the kind of episode I expect from best of jjk, but noting extraordinary.

It wasn't a perfect episode, but was still pretty good, considering how underpaid frustrated animators were able to do it so consistently, it was actually worthy of praise, yet I see some people saying it was bad animation :skull:
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Some people are unable to do a little bit of research on the current state for the adaptation. Clueless and arrogant. I'm glad people who actually follow the animation industry on Twitter aren't as stupid as the anime community on MAL. Braindead takes everywhere.
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Nov 16, 2023 12:14 PM
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Fate, kizumonogatari and redline.
Jjk s2 animation is just a tier below these animes.
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@SuntProstMare i literally said it wasn't bad. and yes i really did appreciate the use of grey lighting at the start of the episode and vibrant red's during sakuna's domain expansion but that's art styling not animation. purely animation wise this episode was worse then at least the last 3 but still amazing and yes i think most people who are even on the fence about mappa at least appreciate their work.

it seems you have something against isekai/fantasy and while yes there are ALOT of poorly animated ones there are some good ones like mushokutensei and eminence in shadow and ones with unique art styles like the recently released My Daughter Left the Nest and Returned an S-Rank Adventurer which has a children's fantasy book art style for the backgrounds and I don't think Sousou no Frieren even needs defending.

"you are such dumb ppl" I don't appreciate the insult but i'm gonna ignore it because the bad grammar kind funny ngl

you are One of those that also complaineed when Ep 16 was released, and you seen to not understand that what i asked you Is to tell me and anime that have such a godly animation, but you ignored It, instead you focused on my grammar without putting some thoughts, because not everyone Is 💯 english. and tell me a scene in the previous 3 episodes that have such a good fight Dynamic, animation, and a unique artstyle. and i am not complaining about isekai, i like them, but you Need to be real, 80% of isekai are trash.
and yes, there are some exceptions, like in every single thing in Life, so you mention MT or Eminence in the Shadow are exceptions, you cant use them as a model, because not every isekai are like that.
Nov 16, 2023 12:22 PM
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The pressure and the tight deadlines imposed on the animators are now felt and the consequences are before ours eyes and if Mappa does not change its approach, this season of JKK will become the biggest disappointment of the history of modern animation when this anime is supposed yo be at its peak.


Seeing this episode feels as if I am literally watching the animators scrambling to meet absolutely impossible deadlines under inhumane working conditions.

Sympathizing with the animators' plight is rational...however...going to ridiculous lengths ("Episode 17 of Season 2 is likely to go down in animation history.") to defend the end result is, in my opinion, irrational. Such a standpoint may in fact convey that there's nothing wrong at MAPPA and that the production committee is completely justified in it's megalomaniacal decision to skyrocket past KyoAni by simply animating everything under the Sun.

In my opinion, by overtly praising this episode, (which feels like the literal embodiment of the animators' plight) as a historical masterpiece, we are actually insulting their talent...which they didn't get a chance to properly showcase because of impossible deadlines.
@btech2009 I guess I kinda see your point, but at the same time it feels wrong NOT to praise the work of these animators. Through blood and sweat they made an incredible looking episode that, in my opinion, is some of the best that has come out of the industry. Like these people put everything into it and all they get in return is criticism? It is important to critize the lacking aspects, but like... if it looks good, why not say it's good? I know that this is a fairly complicated situation but this is where I stand.

Criticism towards the higher ups at MAPPA however is justified. The production commitee and everyone that has their hand in this disastrous production should be definitely called out for their selfish actions and, if possible, should be fired or at least change their mind about this fucked up strategy.
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@SuntProstMare i literally said it wasn't bad. and yes i really did appreciate the use of grey lighting at the start of the episode and vibrant red's during sakuna's domain expansion but that's art styling not animation. purely animation wise this episode was worse then at least the last 3 but still amazing and yes i think most people who are even on the fence about mappa at least appreciate their work.

it seems you have something against isekai/fantasy and while yes there are ALOT of poorly animated ones there are some good ones like mushokutensei and eminence in shadow and ones with unique art styles like the recently released My Daughter Left the Nest and Returned an S-Rank Adventurer which has a children's fantasy book art style for the backgrounds and I don't think Sousou no Frieren even needs defending.

"you are such dumb ppl" I don't appreciate the insult but i'm gonna ignore it because the bad grammar kind funny ngl

you are One of those that also complaineed when Ep 16 was released, and you seen to not understand that what i asked you Is to tell me and anime that have such a godly animation, but you ignored It, instead you focused on my grammar without putting some thoughts, because not everyone Is 💯 english. and tell me a scene in the previous 3 episodes that have such a good fight Dynamic, animation, and a unique artstyle. and i am not complaining about isekai, i like them, but you Need to be real, 80% of isekai are trash.
and yes, there are some exceptions, like in every single thing in Life, so you mention MT or Eminence in the Shadow are exceptions, you cant use them as a model, because not every isekai are like that.

No I did not complain about ep 16, I did say more then just comment on your grammar and I literally said that a lot are like that and yes mt and the other ones I mentioned are the exceptions I agree with you.

And for animation that is better I’m gonna have to say the entirety of ep 16
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Look I love the animation in season 2 of jjk and I’m not saying this episode was animated poorly but it was definitely the worse episode animation wise of season 2

yeah, you definetly dont have eyes
@SuntProstMare i can clarify he doesnt have eyes

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jjk 🍖 riders are definitely going over the top this time to sugar coat the animation, my thoughts are that the animation was decent but not good enough as compared to last few episodes or the last season which came almost 3 years ago

not only is this the best ep of this season animation wise ,its the best of the entire show ,what u smoking on brother this was amazing.Im saying this as someone who usually doesnt hold jjk in very high regard
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I just would like to add that it's diffrent story when such style is an artistic choice ( look Mob Psycho ) than when you are forced to do it by lack of time ( current JJK ) and even if I enjoy watching these episodes I still see visible shortcomings caused by animators not getting enough time refine episodes. I haven't seen anyone mention it in any discussion, maybe I'm the only one who notices it. Also moments when art-style is more important than animation lose a lot compared to the earlier episodes.
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GodBrandxDD said:
jjk 🍖 riders are definitely going over the top this time to sugar coat the animation, my thoughts are that the animation was decent but not good enough as compared to last few episodes or the last season which came almost 3 years ago

objectively wrong statement
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im shocked people can even call this bad animation. they hear the bad news about the environment the animators work in and just assume that the animation must be bad because of that. it shows what they know about animation. yes there are moments that were hard to follow but that doesn't mean the animation is bad it just means there was a lot going on. the fight was simply chaotic which was kinda meant to be the theme of the episode. if u dont like the chaos of the fight then thats okay but to call the animation bad is crazy to me and kinda disrespectful to the animators who despite going through all this struggle they mangage to release something so spectacular. really shows their love for the medium.
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jjk 🍖 riders are definitely going over the top this time to sugar coat the animation, my thoughts are that the animation was decent but not good enough as compared to last few episodes or the last season which came almost 3 years ago

not only is this the best ep of this season animation wise ,its the best of the entire show ,what u smoking on brother this was amazing.Im saying this as someone who usually doesnt hold jjk in very high regard
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sorry, but this is not the best episode of the entire show. Its just not. There are numerous episodes in S1 and S2 that are better than this ep, artstyle wise AND animation wise. but its really pointless to argue because ppl's opinions are different. I just dislike when ppl think their opinions are facts, when its really just a subjective thing.
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jjk 🍖 riders are definitely going over the top this time to sugar coat the animation, my thoughts are that the animation was decent but not good enough as compared to last few episodes or the last season which came almost 3 years ago

objectively wrong statement
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bruh stop using the word "objectively". that guy literally said "my thoughts are", which meant he is just stating his opinion. Whereas you, you are using the word "obejectively", when in this sense, you are also giving a "subjective" opinion. Do you understand this? just stfu if u don't know what that word really means. nothing is objective, especially when it comes to animation when ppl can choose to like or dislike something.
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I liked episodes 15 and 16 more.
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Episode 17 of Season 2 is likely to go down in animation history. I don’t understand how the team was able to pull off such a masterclass of animation under such challenging conditions. That said, this was absolutely incredible. So many different styles, dozens of jaw-dropping scenes in just 20 minutes. Call me a dickrider if you want. I don’t care.

My only complaint is about some of the inconsistent corrections and the excessive zooming into some drawings, making them look blurry (I believe these were mostly just unfortunate results of the tight schedule). On the other hand, they will most likely be fixed in the Blu-ray release in a few months (along with the removal of dimming and ghosting).

This segment is for people complaining about this episode:
I understand if you don’t like this type of animation, with many scenes being less detailed or less consistent with the original character designs. But that in no way makes it “poorly animated”. Animators should be given the freedom to express themselves and not be too restrained. Sure, it might create some visual whiplash when there is a noticeable difference between two shots, but that doesn’t mean it’s bad animation or poorly drawn. It’s a unique attribute of the animator and it can help them make the scene flow better, or be easier and faster to animate. Some shows may not be fit for this style, but in my eyes, Jujutsu Kaisen is.
You are free to dislike it, but don’t act like only your opinion matters and, if properly explained, respect others’ opinions.

To wrap this up, what a masterpiece of an episode. Absolute cinema. If you enjoyed this episode, I highly encourage you to go thank the directors/animators on social media instead of MAPPA itself. (The directors being: Hakuyu Go, Itsuki Tsuchigami AKA Miso and Harumi Yamazaki, correct me if I’m wrong).

Just as you presumed…

Dickrider.
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bruh stop using the word "objectively". that guy literally said "my thoughts are", which meant he is just stating his opinion. Whereas you, you are using the word "obejectively", when in this sense, you are also giving a "subjective" opinion. Do you understand this? just stfu if u don't know what that word really means. nothing is objective, especially when it comes to animation when ppl can choose to like or dislike something.

i don’t really care lmao, doesn’t change anything
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Agreed, somewhat. Within the constraints they were given, they excelled, but that's not excelling outside of the constraints they were given. I don't mind that some stuff's a bit out of whack, but if it's because of an unfair schedule, and restricted potential, because of poor decisions by the CEO to have one team on both Chainsaw Man, and Jujutsu Kaisen Season 2, then it's not as good as it could've been, and because of that, I can't say it's masterclass. Some people overexaggerate the effect it had on this episode's animation, but it's still noticeable enough to make me wish it didn't cause such tight schedules, not just for the wellbeing of the animators, but also for the quality of the animation.
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The animation did a 180 for the better with the arrival of Sukuna, maybe he's been supervising the team since then and they're trying to avoind MAPPA building turning into Shibuya

Sorry for the terrible joke, it is truely amazing the wonderful work they managed to do in such shitty conditions
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Look I love the animation in season 2 of jjk and I’m not saying this episode was animated poorly but it was definitely the worse episode animation wise of season 2
@Eldencheese Thi right here, the worst? Then what does that make the first 14 and a half eps?
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