| I am so angry at you god damn liars!! not that I ever believed you, but shame on all of your. for those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, there was a whole ass group of manga readers that kept saying the R scene is going to get the show cancelled due to how bad and random it is. it didn't. most people saw it as a disturbing scene, and the episode wasn't really called terrible outside of a very small minority. but those damn potatoes would not give up!! now their excuse was, it's inconsequential, robin doesn't get punished and she never changes as a result of it. BITCH, the man almost got beaten to death, and she had multiple identity reflection moments in the 1.1 episodes since it happened. I'm going to call all of you out on this. if there is a single person who believed you and dropped the show because of it, I hate you for it. sorry for the rant, imma now go review anime of the season now. |
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| Either avoid the spoilers as best you can, (like the person above me has suggested) or don’t get convinced by things so easily. Seriously, though. This show getting canceled for a censored ræpe scene? How many other shows would’ve gotten canceled if canceling something was that easy? |
MadanielFL said: @7_3That's why I always avoid spoilers It's not like I got spoiled on purpose. they were enough of them that they were unavoidable, unless I stopped reading discussions. which I didn't want to do, since I really liked this show and had to share the hype somehow. |
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Priya080929 said: I didn't. Why do you even believe people to begin with? most of the weebs are like that bruh. but I'm still angry. cause no matter how much I was sure they were full of it, there is going to be tiny part of my head that says, what if they are right? and even worse than that, what if someone else did believe them and dropped the show for it? |
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| While I do agree with you, people mainly said that because, as of know in the manga, (kinda spoilery maybe, i wouldn't call it that) |
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KingSlowDown said: While I do agree with you, people mainly said that because, as of know in the manga, (kinda spoilery maybe, i wouldn't call it that) |
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-David- said: she had a mental break down right after the scene!SkyhighCFC said: This guy literally almost got beat to death and these clowns think he got no comeuppance? Him surviving is arguably worse for him because he has to live through the immense pain of that beating. If he died here he wouldn't suffer as much. What happened to him was very satisfying. If he causes trouble in the future, that's a different story and at that point he can fucking bite it, but these people acting like nothing happened to him are dumb asf. LMAO are you for real? "Immense pain of that beating".Sure, him getting killed is too easy, a beating will solve it all.🤦 And it's not about the beating, it's about how there are no psychological consequences, Robin gets a beating and next thing you know, the gang is cool and they continue their jurney like nothing happened. Do better. |
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APolygons2 said: KingSlowDown said: While I do agree with you, people mainly said that because, as of know in the manga, (kinda spoilery maybe, i wouldn't call it that) |
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-David- said: No, but that is what she would do.APolygons2 said: she had a mental break down right after the scene? do you believe every single rape victim is completely traumatized no matter what? I don't think that's how it works, different people get affected by things by different amounts. maybe the psychological damage wasn't big enough for a character like her, to be noticeable from outside perspective? that's a very reasonable assumption to make Sure, a 5 min mental breakdown and then the life goes on like before; she even saves Robin because why not, after a long night of R, that's the first thing you do. it's obvious she had great admiration for robin. so even though she probably hated him for what he did, that didn't erase the years he spend with robin as a kid and looked up to him. it's easy to see why she didn't want him straight up dead. from early on, with the scene of that old lady's head getting chopped off in episode 2, the show has established that she is the type of person that moves past the feeling part because that's what it takes to survive in this world. her moving on quickly is consistent with her character. the action doesn't have to make sense for "normal person 1.0" it has to makes sense for her. and it absolutely does. |
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-David- said: well, it only glanced at the manga, so I wouldn't know, and frankly I don't care.APolygons2 said: No, but that is what she would do. it's obvious she had great admiration for robin. so even though she probably hated him for what he did, that didn't erase the years he spend with robin as a kid and looked up to him. it's easy to see why she didn't want him straight up dead. from early on, with the scene of that old lady's head getting chopped off in episode 2, the show has established that she is the type of person that moves past the feeling part because that's what it takes to survive in this world. her moving on quickly is consistent with her character. the action doesn't have to make sense for "normal person 1.0" it has to makes sense for her. and it absolutely does. You clearly didn't read the manga content for this episode.The anime cesored a lot, it almost didn't feel like R scene but to walk off just like that, like nothing happened(especially considering that the R-scene isn't brought in discussion for a very long time in the manga) is plain stupid.It doesn't matter what type of character she is, it almost looks like the mangaka used this scene for shock value. the fact that you have to resort to "the manga was different" proves you admit in the anime it's not. and honestly, that's all that matters. |
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| I don't get people who say that Robin got off scot-free. Like you said he was almost beaten to death. Also he is most definitely going to get killed later in the story, but the mangaka probably has a plot point that involves Robin planned so that's why he was kept alive for now. |
-David- said: reread this whole thing, I wanna sleep.APolygons2 said: well, it only glanced at the manga, so I wouldn't know, and frankly I don't care. the fact that you have to resort to "the manga was different" proves you admit in the anime it's not. and honestly, that's all that matters. Your whole post is about consequences lmao. Why wouldn't I bring the manga content also? I know for sure I'm not the only one who brought it in this thread. it's not out of character for her to be over it from outside perspective after 5 minutes of mental break down. then you said, in the manga it didn't even feel like rape scene blah blah.... and I don't care. I haven't read the manga. we aren't talking about the depiction. we are talking about the event. and her not letting robin die, and her looking like she fully got over it, are both in character. you agree great. you don't? good for you. I have nothing else to add. if you keep going we will just end up going "in circles". which is a great track from a game called transistor, you should listen to it, it's super good! |
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| you are such a fucking weirdo omg |
messerbangi said: it was not free.... he got beaten senseless....her moving on so quick after let's see, 2 days of daily constant rape as ahem "experiments" by robin clearly shows the only reason she allowed robin to get scot free is so he can be made into a hate sink and the author can bring him back later in the manga as an antagonist. stop deluding yourself if you think saving a person who rapes you constantly over a prolonged period of time will get saved by the victim no matter how trusted they are. reddit psychologists everywhere these days. and yes, believe it or not, not everyone want someone who has been cruel to them dead. specially of they once cared about that person. you don't have to be a psychologist to know that. |
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dior said: whatever makes you feel better about yourself.you are such a fucking weirdo omg we're talking about a fictional story here. shame on you for making assumptions about me as person based on that. |
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-David- said: it's not normal. but she is not a normal character. she has learned to suppress her emotions and keep her focus.APolygons2 said: reread this whole thing, I wanna sleep. it's not out of character for her to be over it from outside perspective after 5 minutes of mental break down. then you said, in the manga it didn't even feel like rape scene blah blah.... and I don't care. I haven't read the manga. we aren't talking about the depiction. we are talking about the event. and her not letting robin die, and her looking like she fully got over it, are both in character. you agree great. you don't? good for you. I have nothing else to add. if you keep going we will just end up going "in circles". which is a great track from a game called transistor, you should listen to it, it's super good! I said IN THE ANIME it almost didn't feel like a rape scene, not in the manga. And even leaving the manga aside, you think it's fair and normal to get on instantly with your life, with no psychological consequences that could break anyone' spirit? she has seen people die, people kill themselves. hell, she has experienced dying and being inserted in his sister's body. her mental strength is not exactly of an average person. this is far from being the only, or even the biggest traumatizing experience she has went through. so for a character like her, it does make sense, at least imo. |
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-David- said: eyyyyy matched the title. that's nice.APolygons2 said: it was not free.... he got beaten senseless.... and yes, believe it or not, not everyone want someone who has been cruel to them dead. specially of they once cared about that person. you don't have to be a psychologist to know that. You are delusional, sorry. Imma leave now, so please stop. we are going to go in circles if you continue. |
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APolygons2 said: all rapist deserve death nothing less you freakmesserbangi said: it was not free.... he got beaten senseless....her moving on so quick after let's see, 2 days of daily constant rape as ahem "experiments" by robin clearly shows the only reason she allowed robin to get scot free is so he can be made into a hate sink and the author can bring him back later in the manga as an antagonist. stop deluding yourself if you think saving a person who rapes you constantly over a prolonged period of time will get saved by the victim no matter how trusted they are. reddit psychologists everywhere these days. and yes, believe it or not, not everyone want someone who has been cruel to them dead. specially of they once cared about that person. you don't have to be a psychologist to know that. |
| That was probably THE worst handled rape scene Ive seen outside of isekai anime and THE most casual resolution to a rape scene in anime ever. APolygons2 said: I'm going to call all of you out on this. if there is a single person who believed you and dropped the show because of it, I hate you for it. Sorry for the harsh words, but snap out of it man. |
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| Yes... I mean, I think people are very used to seeing portrayals of terrible things and tragic events and automatically tying that to triggers like PTSD, constant relapses and anxiety. In fiction or elsewhere, this is constantly reaffirmed for us, and therefore we are "trained to look for it", especially in a medium like anime and manga, where the most famous examples always feature characters with tragic and sad stories that make people sympathize. I cannot blame people for this conditioning, as it is something important, it happens frequently and it is also associated with an educational and moral purpose. Understanding the potential consequences of something ethically incorrect is very important so that this is not done. It is always worth stimulating empathy with the target, avoiding the discursive reproduction of prejudices, etc. However, people also forget that not every potentially traumatic situation or terrible incident is going to cause psychiatric problems in a person in order to permanently withdraw from it or generate anxiety and PTSD. Two real examples that I like to bring up every time I bring up this same topic are Bethany Hamilton, the surfer who inspired the story of the movie "Soul Surfer", and Aaron Ralston, whose near-death experience in the Grand Canyon inspired the movie "127 Hours". Bethany, a talented surfer, was attacked by a shark and lost one of her arms, while climber Aaron had his arm crushed by a rock in a crevice and had to amputate his own arm with a switchblade and crawl out of the place to survive. The interesting thing about these two is that both remained in extreme sports even after the traumas. Aaron returned to mountain climbing even without his arm, and stated that he intended to climb Mount Everest (I will ignore the later prison scandals involving Aaron and his wife here). Bethany went back to surfing and learned to perform in the sport with just one arm, even competing in important tournaments. I mean, these sports really are the passion of these people's lives, so violent and terrible incidents won't necessarily stop them. At the end of the day, people are simply very different and react differently to such incidents. I was also someone who witnessed these statements from manga readers, and I am also waiting for these developments. I saw many also accusing the work of forgetting the Robin incident after a few chapters, but frankly, to have an opinion on that I would need to wait and see for myself. |
MaranderJun 24, 2023 1:28 PM
| Bitching about people who were bitching in some other salty Thread..... the Forums get worse and worse every day xD |
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| People get sensitive over useless stuff and get insensitive on very important stuff.... i dont understand how things work anymore...and the person who said it's gonna get cancelled needs to stfu! u spread hate when anime didn't even release the ep what a dumbfuk |
| Rape was just used as shock value / fetish fuel. That's why people are angry (and were angry when it happened in the manga as well). It made things worse when the character herself got over it in 30 min after being raped for 2 days straight. It added nothing to the story and has no lasting effects. No, identity crisis was already a thing way before this. Author just has no idea about sexual assault (looks like you as well) and its consequences and let his fetish materialized out of nowhere. |
RaafalgaJun 24, 2023 3:57 PM
Raafalga said: Now we're tryna gatekeep sexual assault? Okay then. Educate me on what a sexual assault scene is supposed to look like. I'm not knowledgeable on the topic(as much as you apparently) but I'm pretty sure sexual assault victims all have their own way of dealing with that kind of traumatic situation and it feels on brand for Kiruko to go about her life like nothing happened. I'm not a manga reader but it's hard to imagine that the author doesn't revisit that scene in the future. Rape was just used as shock value / fetish fuel. That's why people are angry (and were angry when it happened in the manga as well). It made things worse when the character herself got over it in 30 min after being raped for 2 days straight. It added nothing to the story and has no lasting effects. No, identity crisis was already a thing way before this. Author just has no idea about sexual assault (looks like you as well) and its consequences and let his fetish materialized out of nowhere. |
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BorealGalaxys12 said: If you think rape s hould be punished by death, you're an asshole (hint: NOBODY should be punished by death, fuck the death penalty and those who support it)Yeah bro, a literal rapist should just get punched everytime he rapes someone, they don't deserve to die, it is not like they will not do it again. If you wish a dead to a rapist you are a monster, rapists have feelings too! |
| If you haven't watched "Fantastic Children", don't talk about "best anime". Thank you. |
| The "fallout" or lack thereof from what happened to Hiruko is about what you'd expect from a character like that, so the fact that literally anybody expects "more" is astounding. Hiruko, at this point of the story, is somebody who barely even has a sense of self anymore and going through a literal identity crisis that pretty much everyone on the planet today couldn't even begin to fathom the depths of. Hiruko barely even feels like the body they're in belongs to them in a literal sense, so expecting them to be massively traumatized over the loss of control of something they barely view as their own (their body and life) makes absolutely no sense. According to what we know of Hiruko's character up to this point it makes no sense for them to dwell upon what happened for more than a few days let alone be completely traumatized by it. If anything the only trauma they'd feel is from finding out what a piece of crap Robin is and how much time was wasted looking for him rather than caring much about what happened to a body they feel little ownership of. This is literally what you should have expected from a character like Hiruko that went through the things they have up to this point. The rape and lack of trauma not being a focal point is about what one could logically expect in this specific scenario. Our two protagonists are not normal people. They have not been through normal things. They don't have normal goals in mind. Don't expect normal long-term reactions to terrible things from them. |
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BorealGalaxys12 said: SkyhighCFC said: That goes for you, op is literally justifying the fact that robin didn't get killed, and the beating was just enough.Literally no one is saying that him dying here wouldn't have been deserved. Learn to read. i'm not casting judgment you damn smooth brain. i'm saying ut makes sense for her character to not want him dead. i'm not the fiction judge. deciding who should live and who should die. |
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