I see many people shit on capitalism and rightfully so. But do we have a good alternative?

149597871 said:
We don't and never had capitalism

Say-My-Name said:
Because the way I see it, capitalism is broken, but it's still the best system we got, when compared to the rest.

149597871 said:
transition to corporatism

TheBlockernator said:
It's a great system, it's why people from socialist countries come here. You never see americans build makeshift rafts or hide in trucks to go into Venezuela. But people do it to get here.

vasipi4946 said:
Yeah that's why the USA supports Juan Guaido who is the Leader of the Socialist International and Republicans want an Islamist Feminist Communist group to take over Iran.

Dawizz said:
>"I see many people shit on capitalism and rightfully so. But do we have a good alternative?"

People that say those things are pathetic wanna be week end Che Guevara, the "smash capitalism" while using an 800$ phone and a 2k computer type. Moronic beyond belief.

vasipi4946 said:
There is no such thing as ethical consumption under Capitalism and that's Personal Property not Private Property. Private Property is owning Factories, while Personal Property is iPhones.

Ronald Reagan supported Co-ops in a speech he gave when Cuba invaded Grenada. Cuba has Private Property. Also Margaret Thatcher supported the Khmer Rouge against Vietnam.

Dawizz said:


I was talking about the hypocrisy of such week end "warriors" that they talk shit about a system that as allowed them to have such devices, ergo allowed someone to have the cash to build said factories, ergo as allowed the standards of living to go up so much that almost anyone can go to school and become an inventor of such devices.

Plain and simple, capitalism=good, communism=bad.

Deathko said:
Gotta love how hard americans spaz out on the subject lol.
Very clearly capitalism is doing a great job at fucking up the planet, so unless you hate mankind and wish your grandkids a shit life, I don't understand why anyone ould get so defensive over globalized capitalism.

Also "le standards of living". Except workers' lifespan and income are crumbling since a couple decades, but ok. I'm sure the qatari workers who are dying to get soccer world cup's stadiums ready have a great opinion of globalized capitalism...

Zettaiken said:
As long as it isn't the Communism after which my country still has it's negative fucked up effects I am fine. Fuck the Communism it shouldn't exist not to mention that it will never work.

VampireSylphy said:
Capitalism is literally the foundation of human nature i.e If you help me aka provide me with goods and services than I will help you and pay you in money which you can than use to spend on your own goods and services.

logopolis said:


Capitalism is things like "I own that land, you need to pay me if you want to live there".

Deathko said:
Gotta love how hard americans spaz out on the subject lol.
Very clearly capitalism is doing a great job at fucking up the planet, so unless you hate mankind and wish your grandkids a shit life, I don't understand why anyone ould get so defensive over globalized capitalism.

Also "le standards of living". Except workers' lifespan and income are crumbling since a couple decades, but ok. I'm sure the qatari workers who are dying to get soccer world cup's stadiums ready have a great opinion of globalized capitalism...

Dawizz said:


I'm sure the Venezuelans are happy campers with their socialist system

or the Cubans by that matter, I'm pretty sure they are.

logopolis said:


No, that's trade.

Capitalism is things like "I own that land, you need to pay me if you want to live there". "I own that factory, that means I get to tell you all how you work and take the profit for myself".

VampireSylphy said:


If you want to live on my land, you help me by PAYING me. If you can't pay than get out of my land. See, that's trade
If you don't want to work based on what I stipulate, feel free to leave because I'll find another who will. That's what your probation period is for

Of course alternatively you could always just kill the current occupants of the land if you hate capitalism that much but remember, others are going to be doing the same to you so if you wanna hold the land, better get some hired hands. Oh look, capitalism once again

Deathko said:
Gotta love how hard americans spaz out on the subject lol.
Very clearly capitalism is doing a great job at fucking up the planet, so unless you hate mankind and wish your grandkids a shit life, I don't understand why anyone ould get so defensive over globalized capitalism.

Also "le standards of living". Except workers' lifespan and income are crumbling since a couple decades, but ok. I'm sure the qatari workers who are dying to get soccer world cup's stadiums ready have a great opinion of globalized capitalism...

VampireSylphy said:
If you want to live on my land, you help me by PAYING me. If you can't pay than get out of my land. See, that's trade

vasipi4946 said:
Yeah I too agree that the USA is bad given how it supported the USSR in World War 2, talked highly of Mao during the Cultural Revolution, had the CIA put in Saddam and Assad, has been in charge of the PKK since the Gulf War, trained Ho Chi Minh in World War 2, got China to support the Khmer Rouge, supported the Khmer Rouge until the 1990's, supported China on Taiwan, Wall Street financing the Russian Revolution, got Karl Marx to support the Union in the American Civil War which lead to Britan cutting off ties with the CSA along with supporting the illegal war on Mexico that stole places such as California from it, is the reason why Chile supports China, supported Israel and did nothing when the Communist Government of Israel straight-out attacked American ships killing American troops, and supports the Osama Bin Laden supporting MEK, has an allied Communist Party in Belarus, and having a President write Love Letters to North Korea.

The USA is pretty much the reason Communism exists and thank you for agreeing with me that America is the Great Satan and needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth.

You're so radical having the same political opinion as Ronald Reagan.

VampireSylphy said:
@Meusnier @logopolis
Right? Wrong? Irrelevant.

The land belongs to whomever can hold it. That is why it's called the United States of America and not whatever the Native Americans would have called that continent because it no longer belongs to them.

VampireSylphy said:
@Meusnier
Right? Wrong? Irrelevant. The land belongs to whomever can hold it. That is why it's called the United States of America and not whatever the Native Americans would have called that continent because it no longer belongs to them. You can either pay the toll for living in their land or face the gallows.

Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognised and is not disputed. - Blaise Pascal

VampireSylphy said:
@Meusnier @logopolis
Right? Wrong? Irrelevant. The land belongs to whomever can hold it. That is why it's called the United States of America and not whatever the Native Americans would have called that continent because it no longer belongs to them. You can either pay the toll for living in their land or face the gallows.

If someone puts a gun to your head and say the land is his and demand that you pay him to live in it and you are in no position to resist, than it would be in your best interest to listen to him. Or not. You can always just face the consequences

Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognised and is not disputed. - Blaise Pascal

Meusnier said:

You cannot "hold" anything but your main residence, so this is a non-argument. The land was extorted to Native Americans, and if only they could have pushed back your ancestors into the Atlantic Sea, the world would have been a much better place. No one would get executed for occupying illegally a private property, Einstein.

Don't use Pascal to defend your silly private property... Pascal would never defend such a concept. Besides, I highly doubt that you read Pensées. It is really crass to see people like you using artists like Pascal as intellectual cautions.

Meusnier said:

You cannot "hold" anything but your main residence, so this is a non-argument. The land was extorted to Native Americans, and if only they could have pushed back your ancestors into the Atlantic Sea, the world would have been a much better place. No one would get executed for occupying illegally a private property, Einstein.

Don't use Pascal to defend your silly private property... Pascal would never defend such a concept. Besides, I highly doubt that you read Pensées. It is really crass to see people like you using artists like Pascal as intellectual cautions.


Addressing the edited part: what does it have to do with anything? You do not live in a society where such a behaviour is tolerable.

ScatteredCat said:
Human evolution was a mistake, ooga booga doo

VampireSylphy said:


They lost it and now it belongs to the Americans. Likewise if you stay in a private property that does not belong to you without permission from the owner I imagine some scary looking guys is going to come and take you away so it's the same. If you want to live on my land, pay me or get out (forcefully and with help from the cops) of my land if you refuse to leave.

Who knows what Pascal would have thought because neither you nor me know him but I know one thing, that a baseball bat is meant for baseball but it makes a pretty game good skull cracker even though it's not built for that purpose.

vasipi4946 said:
Tiktaalik and his ambitions to walk on land have been a disaster for this Earth.

Meusnier said:

If a thief takes your watch, does it belongs to him? Think.

No, you can easily know about such things if you study his work, something that you clearly have not. Irrelevant comparison, thinkers are not tools you are use to say anything. What you are doing is not new, for we are living in the epoch where right-wingers use Gramsci or Simone Weil as good-looking pingfengs for their ideas.

Dawizz said:

We didn't start slavery but we sure did give it it's name and certainly put a stop to it! Facts, now go deal with those facts somewhere else.

VampireSylphy said:


From a moral perspective, no. But from a practical perspective, yes. And that is why it's called the United States of America even though it originally belonged to the Natives and I imagine a swift quelling of any attempts to retake it for themselves would end in them being slandered as terrorist and "evil" and we see that might has now become justice once again proving Pascal's quote, that being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just.
I can use a quote however I want the same way I can use a baseball bat to crack someone's skull even though it's not it''s intended use instead of batting a baseball because it is not ideals that affect reality, it's action. And if you trespass on my land by defaulting on rent, I will have the cops forcefully remove you. Likewise if any native plan an attack on the White House, I imagine every federal agency would be on their trail ready to shut them down

Dawizz said:
@Meusnier you are one of those, aren't you? We get it, all the Indians were living in harmony, none of the tribes did anything bad to each other, they all shared the land, living side by side, never killing, slaving or conquering each other.
Perfect harmony. You know what? We came, we saw, we conquered, I don't give one fvckin Iota if you don't like that fact, a very nornal fact of life, the strong regaly fvcks the weak, deal with it.

If the indians don't like it, they can pack their bags and return to Siberia/Mongolia/Russian steppes, weirdly none have ever done it, I wonder why?

You are the typical by product of today's woke education system, blame the Whites for everything, forgetting that if it wasn't for the Whites the world would be a much darker & backwater place than it is right now.

We didn't start slavery but we sure did give it it's name and certainly put a stop to it! Facts, now go deal with those facts somewhere else.

Dawizz said:
Reagan was a base President,

Deathko said:
Gotta love how hard americans spaz out on the subject lol.
Very clearly capitalism is doing a great job at fucking up the planet, so unless you hate mankind and wish your grandkids a shit life, I don't understand why anyone ould get so defensive over globalized capitalism.

Also "le standards of living". Except workers' lifespan and income are crumbling since a couple decades, but ok. I'm sure the qatari workers who are dying to get soccer world cup's stadiums ready have a great opinion of globalized capitalism...

logopolis said:


No, that's trade.

Capitalism is things like "I own that land, you need to pay me if you want to live there". "I own that factory, that means I get to tell you all how you work and take the profit for myself".