| AOT and FMAB are constantly are the main target of this title but they don't get even close to Pandora Hearts. Never in my 20+ years consuming this medium I ever crossed path to such series... Is it bad? No But a 8,59? Hell nah...the fair rating to this series is a 7(mostly due to the art) I don't understand the stupid amount of 10s this series gets...this is similar to Fairy Tail, where they use emotion to make the viewer react emotionally, instead of logically...friendship makes characters break obvious restrictions, etc... Seriously I want to hear the opinions of the people that didn't give it a 10 and if you gave it a 9 please mention it |
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| Even though, I have not seen pandora heart fully. I did research about it. Other than being a popular gothic work, I have always assumed it's high because of "subversion" especially on romance aspect. |
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|Adampk said: Even though, I have not seen pandora heart fully. I did research about it. Other than being a popular gothic work, I have always assumed it's high because of "subversion" especially on romance aspect. People lied to you The gothic aspect is clearly there and it's beautiful...but other than that it's nothing special, there's a bunch of mistery(to keep you glued to the story, which only works while the story is being published) and some attempts to make some character development moments(what I call fake development...when a character is put on a situation where they have to change themselves to proceed, but this change only stays until the end of the trial, shonen abuse this)... I'm starting to think that these ratings were made during publication and the rest of the people rated it around the same score since there was a consensus. |
JustN0tMeApr 1, 2022 3:13 PM
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JustN0tMe said: Myanimelist in a nutshell tbh. I can say that most of the titles in the top 10 are on the same page.these ratings were made during publication and the rest of the people rated it around the same score since there was a consensus. |
  "I can't trust a website where csm is rated higher than hxh"- Akira Toriyama  |
akiramado19 said: JustN0tMe said: Myanimelist in a nutshell tbh. I can say that most of the titles in the top 10 are on the same page.these ratings were made during publication and the rest of the people rated it around the same score since there was a consensus. While I agree with you, I've never seen a series being rated this high(usually the scores are inflated by 1 point, but this is almost 2 and that's me giving it the best scoring it can get- a 7) I don't get it xD |
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DblankD said: Another thread of "Why people do not give this respective anime/manga the same rating as me?" Pretty lame attempt of shitposting if you ask me. I'm actually being serious😅 You haven't read it, so you're assuming I'm talking shit for irony sake...the thing is, this is unironically overated. Notice that I asked users that didn't give it a 10 or 9 to engage and share their opinions...if I wanted to shitpost, those wouldn't be my target🤦🏾 Not only you didn't read it, you're being dismissive and condescending for no reason. Shitposting happens everyday in this forum, but this isn't one of these cases... |
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| I refuse to watch/read Pandora Hearts, because I can't stand the character designs. |
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| [quote=DblankD message=66062683] JustN0tMe said: In the first place, I had tried to read Pandora Hearts, did not like at all and dropped after 8 or 9 chapters. In the second place, only because you did not like a piece of fiction that does not make the opinion of the others who like it invalid. This is a site where the ratings of an an anime/manga are made by the majority. If the majority liked it has a high score. It is okay to not like an anime/manga and share your opinion with others. However, I do not think critizing the score of an anime/manga is the good way to go about it imo. Sorry for giving the impression of being arrogant in my first reply it was totally unintentional. The reason why I don't want the opinions of people that gave it a 10 or a 9 is that often, these people lack critical thinking and/or are moved by their connection to the series(I don't plan to figure out which of those people critically thought that this series is a 9/10), therefore people that gave it an 8 might give a honest and critical opinion. Seriously I've read the reviews...most are emotionally based I'm not saying that the opinions of these people are invalid (you can say the sky is red and your opinion is still valid, wrong but valid). The score is inflated imho and it was due to it that I read it(and kept reading it because of the misteries, which keeps you from questioning the quality of the work, since you don't have the full picture). |
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Nazih said: Because Pandora Hearts got a higher rating than your favorite trash manga Are you really this stupid? Did you even see my profile? You're implying that I'm just hating and dismissing my post... with a dumb reply. |
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| I am surprised no one bothered to actually point out your incomprehension of the series... Because that is altogether a different kind of absurdity since thats the most illogically backed up opinion I have seen from a "logical person" in a while U do know what overrated means right? This series literally has 3 manga discussion forums and the fandom is literally a cult at this point...Yes its a Newyork times best seller but generally not even close to being overrated.. Its one of the most fair rated manga out there not to mention quite underappreciated actually but oh well ... Its fairly complex so I can understand having some issues but damn did u even read the manga? U didn't even provide a proper argument despite your obsession with "logic" and undermining emotions(which are just as important since we read things that make us feel something or make us connected to it or give us a new perspective altogether) but anyways I will point out some reasons why people love it... Especially considering how a series which goes out of its way to explain everything with a balance of emotions and correct handling of drama is in question... Do bear with me though The reason why Pandora hearts is considered to be great is due to how it handles the mystery genre. The answer is always there.. The foreshadowing is there. Everything that happens in the last arcs was already foreshadowed through both symbolism and character interactions in the beginning and every moment of the story is connected which also gives it a high rereading value. That connection isn't something u see everyday. In other words the plot twists are one of a kind. Fmab doesn't even come close in that regard. And i have yet to meet a person who was able to predict them...Being able to do a complete 180..no... a 360 and still not contradicting everything established before is not exactly easy or common... In addition to this it portrays human connection and its complexity while handling all that... comparing it to fairy tail or aot which have one of the worst characterization in existence is a huge insult to various writing techniques used to make the story I don't want to go into spoiler category however, its not the power of friendship or something... that statement clearly shows u didn't understood or even tried to understand the characters... But well the writer humanizes them. If u look at their motivations and reasons then everything again connects. The writer doesn't show it by dialouge until the very end but rather through their actions mostly... Most of them are walking contradictions who need to let go of their past and choose either to achieve what they want vs do what is expected of them... Not to mention it shows every type of relationship at work and not just friends per say...and even then its take on friendship is pretty unique. Not to mention all of them are morally grey. They are complex puzzles and as much i hate to point it out since its so obvious, the manga shows the power of having a conversation with imp people vs random strangers... its the themes at work in a way. All the changes were done by fairly analysing the psychology of the characters and their dreams(since they are humanized). The antagonist being the prime example whose main wish was to deliver the abyss to his beloved but his idea of abyss vs his beloved idea was the contradiction which was solved by analysing the past and making a move in the present because his main desire was to make her happy or to reunite with her which was achieved and he didn't exactly let go of that obsession.. merely redirected it... However it isn't done in a moment. There are many events which lead to several things... though they are not served to u in a plate since the mangaka trusts her readers to see it for themselves since they just need a bit of attention. Not to mention they don't achieve power ups... They change their mindset which takes them their whole life time to do so with some push from the people whom they love(a common example of Oz who takes more then half of the manga to let go of his self hate)so how u call it power of friendship is beyond me. If anything it shows that no one can go alone in life no matter how strong they are ... rather we all need to rely on others to make progress at some point in our lives since human beings by nature crave connection... But if u still think that then good for u... since that's all I can explain without spoilers and you are pretty "logical" And then the world building and the use of abstraction. Pandora hearts world is actually one big multiverse and every tale is a book the jury collects... A very interesting concept not to mention the world is fairly abstract in reality and how the concepts are visualized is what also attracts the audiences. The mangaka fairly researched and learned architecture since her drawings are completely accurate in terms of both time period and technique not to mention innovative so that's another thing. All in all the connection, art which uses authentic architecture (Most stories have this flaw), various storytelling techniques, the research done, the way it handles mystery, the planning, the characters, its authentic portrayal of psychology and human nature, the dynamics, the world building, the atmosphere, its complexity, its rereading value due to that complexity (since u will always find something new due to the symbolism in the art which again connects to later parts of the story) and the balance of all the things mentioned above is the reason why its so highly praised. With addition to this You get the whole picture after you have almost finished the series and great detail to planning is fairly evident considering nothing is treated as "it just happened" and every event is connected to a part of a story... Pandora hearts is more of a plot driven story though but it also handles its characters very well to the point it can be considered character driven at some parts. Being able to handle that without messing anything up is also the reason for a series of so many 10s but most people who pick up the manga don't actually complete it since it needs patience. And yes I have removed the emotionally impactful nature of the series while explaining it so it doesnt interfere with "logic" I don't know if u have actually completed Ph but reading 20 years worth of manga doesn't exactly make u a professional critic(I mean no offense)and pay attention next time because like i said the lack of comprehension really does leave me speechless especially since you are very "logically" driven... And I should point out that big names in industry like Yuki Kaijura, Hiromi Arakawa etc to are fans of the mangaka... and are known to go out of their way to praise pandora hearts as something special. So yeah I hope u got your answer. This might not be a story for a "logical" person like u but its merits are fairly obvious to anyone who pays attention... Edit: I don't have a prob with anyone who doesn't like the series (it might not be for u)but going out of your way to make a "logical" argument to call something obscure in the manga community overrated is just absurd honestly... |
234MannanMay 9, 2023 6:16 AM
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| all what Report234Mannan said... but also, overrated? the anime is barely in top 500 |
| I never read Pandora Hearts, but I doubt that people cared if its characters died like it was FF7. Unlike FF7, Pandora Hearts has no iconic characters that would stay in people's hearts long enough to care about. I'll stick to Digimon V-Tamers (read this if you really think you're a true Digimon fan) thank you very much. At least V-Tamers is loosely based on something iconic unlike this Pandora Hearts you speak of. Name one character in Pandora Hearts that's as iconic as my boy Tai Kamiya. Last I checked, scores don't make iconic characters. Last I checked, MAL popularity ratings or whatever are an illusion. The only people that talk about Pandora Hearts are geeks, dweebs and nobodies. |
Kurt_IrvingMay 14, 2023 1:38 AM
10vely said: all what Report234Mannan said... but also, overrated? the anime is barely in top 500 Manga, I haven't seen the anime |
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234Mannan said: I am surprised no one bothered to actually point out your incomprehension of the series... Because that is altogether a different kind of absurdity since thats the most illogically backed up opinion I have seen from a "logical person" in a while U do know what overrated means right? This series literally has 3 manga discussion forums and the fandom is literally a cult at this point...Yes its a Newyork times best seller but generally not even close to being overrated.. Its one of the most fair rated manga out there not to mention quite underappreciated actually but oh well ... Its fairly complex so I can understand having some issues but damn did u even read the manga? U didn't even provide a proper argument despite your obsession with "logic" and undermining emotions(which are just as important since we read things that make us feel something or make us connected to it or give us a new perspective altogether) but anyways I will point out some reasons why people love it... Especially considering how a series which goes out of its way to explain everything with a balance of emotions and correct handling of drama is in question... Do bear with me though The reason why Pandora hearts is considered to be great is due to how it handles the mystery genre. The answer is always there.. The foreshadowing is there. Everything that happens in the last arcs was already foreshadowed through both symbolism and character interactions in the beginning and every moment of the story is connected which also gives it a high rereading value. That connection isn't something u see everyday. In other words the plot twists are one of a kind. Fmab doesn't even come close in that regard. And i have yet to meet a person who was able to predict them...Being able to do a complete 180..no... a 360 and still not contradicting everything established before is not exactly easy or common... In addition to this it portrays human connection and its complexity while handling all that... comparing it to fairy tail or aot which have one of the worst characterization in existence is a huge insult to various writing techniques used to make the story I don't want to go into spoiler category however, its not the power of friendship or something... that statement clearly shows u didn't understood or even tried to understand the characters... But well the writer humanizes them. If u look at their motivations and reasons then everything again connects. The writer doesn't show it by dialouge until the very end but rather through their actions mostly... Most of them are walking contradictions who need to let go of their past and choose either to achieve what they want vs do what is expected of them... Not to mention it shows every type of relationship at work and not just friends per say...and even then its take on friendship is pretty unique. Not to mention all of them are morally grey. They are complex puzzles and as much i hate to point it out since its so obvious, the manga shows the power of having a conversation with imp people vs random strangers... its the themes at work in a way. All the changes were done by fairly analysing the psychology of the characters and their dreams(since they are humanized). The antagonist being the prime example whose main wish was to deliver the abyss to his beloved but his idea of abyss vs his beloved idea was the contradiction which was solved by analysing the past and making a move in the present because his main desire was to make her happy or to reunite with her which was achieved and he didn't exactly let go of that obsession.. merely redirected it... However it isn't done in a moment. There are many events which lead to several things... though they are not served to u in a plate since the mangaka trusts her readers to see it for themselves since they just need a bit of attention. Not to mention they don't achieve power ups... They change their mindset which takes them their whole life time to do so with some push from the people whom they love(a common example of Oz who takes more then half of the manga to let go of his self hate)so how u call it power of friendship is beyond me. If anything it shows that no one can go alone in life no matter how strong they are ... rather we all need to rely on others to make progress at some point in our lives since human beings by nature crave connection... But if u still think that then good for u... since that's all I can explain without spoilers and you are pretty "logical" And then the world building and the use of abstraction. Pandora hearts world is actually one big multiverse and every tale is a book the jury collects... A very interesting concept not to mention the world is fairly abstract in reality and how the concepts are visualized is what also attracts the audiences. The mangaka fairly researched and learned architecture since her drawings are completely accurate in terms of both time period and technique not to mention innovative so that's another thing. All in all the connection, art which uses authentic architecture (Most stories have this flaw), various storytelling techniques, the research done, the way it handles mystery, the planning, the characters, its authentic portrayal of psychology and human nature, the dynamics, the world building, the atmosphere, its complexity, its rereading value due to that complexity (since u will always find something new due to the symbolism in the art which again connects to later parts of the story) and the balance of all the things mentioned above is the reason why its so highly praised. With addition to this You get the whole picture after you have almost finished the series and great detail to planning is fairly evident considering nothing is treated as "it just happened" and every event is connected to a part of a story... Pandora hearts is more of a plot driven story though but it also handles its characters very well to the point it can be considered character driven at some parts. Being able to handle that without messing anything up is also the reason for a series of so many 10s but most people who pick up the manga don't actually complete it since it needs patience. And yes I have removed the emotionally impactful nature of the series while explaining it so it doesnt interfere with "logic" I don't know if u have actually completed Ph but reading 20 years worth of manga doesn't exactly make u a professional critic(I mean no offense)and pay attention next time because like i said the lack of comprehension really does leave me speechless especially since you are very "logically" driven... And I should point out that big names in industry like Yuki Kaijura, Hiromi Arakawa etc to are fans of the mangaka... and are known to go out of their way to praise pandora hearts as something special. So yeah I hope u got your answer. This might not be a story for a "logical" person like u but its merits are fairly obvious to anyone who pays attention... Edit: I don't have a prob with anyone who doesn't like the series (it might not be for u)but going out of your way to make a "logical" argument to call something obscure in the manga community overrated is just absurd honestly... I'm sorry but I asked for people that didn't give it a 10😅 Btw don't say this was complex just because of the mistery and foreshadowing...go through my profile, I've seen better things in those departments. |
JustN0tMeMay 14, 2023 6:07 AM
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JustN0tMe said: Its spelled "mystery" 234Mannan said: I am surprised no one bothered to actually point out your incomprehension of the series... Because that is altogether a different kind of absurdity since thats the most illogically backed up opinion I have seen from a "logical person" in a while U do know what overrated means right? This series literally has 3 manga discussion forums and the fandom is literally a cult at this point...Yes its a Newyork times best seller but generally not even close to being overrated.. Its one of the most fair rated manga out there not to mention quite underappreciated actually but oh well ... Its fairly complex so I can understand having some issues but damn did u even read the manga? U didn't even provide a proper argument despite your obsession with "logic" and undermining emotions(which are just as important since we read things that make us feel something or make us connected to it or give us a new perspective altogether) but anyways I will point out some reasons why people love it... Especially considering how a series which goes out of its way to explain everything with a balance of emotions and correct handling of drama is in question... Do bear with me though The reason why Pandora hearts is considered to be great is due to how it handles the mystery genre. The answer is always there.. The foreshadowing is there. Everything that happens in the last arcs was already foreshadowed through both symbolism and character interactions in the beginning and every moment of the story is connected which also gives it a high rereading value. That connection isn't something u see everyday. In other words the plot twists are one of a kind. Fmab doesn't even come close in that regard. And i have yet to meet a person who was able to predict them...Being able to do a complete 180..no... a 360 and still not contradicting everything established before is not exactly easy or common... In addition to this it portrays human connection and its complexity while handling all that... comparing it to fairy tail or aot which have one of the worst characterization in existence is a huge insult to various writing techniques used to make the story I don't want to go into spoiler category however, its not the power of friendship or something... that statement clearly shows u didn't understood or even tried to understand the characters... But well the writer humanizes them. If u look at their motivations and reasons then everything again connects. The writer doesn't show it by dialouge until the very end but rather through their actions mostly... Most of them are walking contradictions who need to let go of their past and choose either to achieve what they want vs do what is expected of them... Not to mention it shows every type of relationship at work and not just friends per say...and even then its take on friendship is pretty unique. Not to mention all of them are morally grey. They are complex puzzles and as much i hate to point it out since its so obvious, the manga shows the power of having a conversation with imp people vs random strangers... its the themes at work in a way. All the changes were done by fairly analysing the psychology of the characters and their dreams(since they are humanized). The antagonist being the prime example whose main wish was to deliver the abyss to his beloved but his idea of abyss vs his beloved idea was the contradiction which was solved by analysing the past and making a move in the present because his main desire was to make her happy or to reunite with her which was achieved and he didn't exactly let go of that obsession.. merely redirected it... However it isn't done in a moment. There are many events which lead to several things... though they are not served to u in a plate since the mangaka trusts her readers to see it for themselves since they just need a bit of attention. Not to mention they don't achieve power ups... They change their mindset which takes them their whole life time to do so with some push from the people whom they love(a common example of Oz who takes more then half of the manga to let go of his self hate)so how u call it power of friendship is beyond me. If anything it shows that no one can go alone in life no matter how strong they are ... rather we all need to rely on others to make progress at some point in our lives since human beings by nature crave connection... But if u still think that then good for u... since that's all I can explain without spoilers and you are pretty "logical" And then the world building and the use of abstraction. Pandora hearts world is actually one big multiverse and every tale is a book the jury collects... A very interesting concept not to mention the world is fairly abstract in reality and how the concepts are visualized is what also attracts the audiences. The mangaka fairly researched and learned architecture since her drawings are completely accurate in terms of both time period and technique not to mention innovative so that's another thing. All in all the connection, art which uses authentic architecture (Most stories have this flaw), various storytelling techniques, the research done, the way it handles mystery, the planning, the characters, its authentic portrayal of psychology and human nature, the dynamics, the world building, the atmosphere, its complexity, its rereading value due to that complexity (since u will always find something new due to the symbolism in the art which again connects to later parts of the story) and the balance of all the things mentioned above is the reason why its so highly praised. With addition to this You get the whole picture after you have almost finished the series and great detail to planning is fairly evident considering nothing is treated as "it just happened" and every event is connected to a part of a story... Pandora hearts is more of a plot driven story though but it also handles its characters very well to the point it can be considered character driven at some parts. Being able to handle that without messing anything up is also the reason for a series of so many 10s but most people who pick up the manga don't actually complete it since it needs patience. And yes I have removed the emotionally impactful nature of the series while explaining it so it doesnt interfere with "logic" I don't know if u have actually completed Ph but reading 20 years worth of manga doesn't exactly make u a professional critic(I mean no offense)and pay attention next time because like i said the lack of comprehension really does leave me speechless especially since you are very "logically" driven... And I should point out that big names in industry like Yuki Kaijura, Hiromi Arakawa etc to are fans of the mangaka... and are known to go out of their way to praise pandora hearts as something special. So yeah I hope u got your answer. This might not be a story for a "logical" person like u but its merits are fairly obvious to anyone who pays attention... Edit: I don't have a prob with anyone who doesn't like the series (it might not be for u)but going out of your way to make a "logical" argument to call something obscure in the manga community overrated is just absurd honestly... I'm sorry but I asked for people that didn't give it a 10😅 Btw don't say this was complex just because of the mistery and foreshadowing...go through my profile, I've seen better things in those departments. Just went over your profile and Sweetheart you seriously have no good mystery series. Ever heard of Agatha christie(a classic lit writer who is widely regarded as the queen of mystery)or her rules of a good mysteries, their innovation etc? Pretty sure not... And how the heck can you expect to be taken seriously when U literally rate CSM 9 with all those arguments. The mysteries you had rely on pure shock value and no buildups in the first place and lack whodunit, Whydunit etc... Or you mean the pseudo philosophical stuff? I have seen naoki Urasawas works for example and damn his realism is pretty unrealistic sometimes and I am not sure if I can even consider it a mystery. He has good characters though but seriously a guy walking and not getting injured with gun shots because he is supposed to be "special" and giving no explanation to some stuff like grimmer taking out armed guys ofscreen lmao (yes i am looking at you Johan). Pretty sure his other works are also similar. Or berserk which tries to be "mature" through s@x and gore? Good story but lmao corny as heck. But i wont list it because I love my peace... Also Name one which does mystery as well as this considering all the rules and additional stuff in particular combined with the symbolism etc and impact. I am not here to write another essay on why Ph is still treated as one of the most complex series done right and not just because of "mistery" oh sorry. The correct word would be "mystery"... I am just pretty sure if I asked anything regarding the manga s world building or characters you wouldnt be able to answer those questions. So yeah that should be proof enough, But the original question here is your opinion regarding it. I can care less about whether you like it or not but Your argument regarding it being overrated for the most part which it clearly isn't is just wrong... If its one of top 10s, has a active fandom, demon slayer, FMAB or aot levels of success and popularity then your judgement might have some value. Or atleast if u had made actual criticisms instead of pointing out literature rules or Nature of the story. Not to mention indirectly making a generalization of the fact that every 10/10 rater is the same means u are biased as heck(we all are). Because just from that you can make a generalization that "all<8" raters are just pseudointellectuals who didn't understood the series. Which i hate to make. |
234MannanMay 14, 2023 9:11 AM
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| Another person that gave it a 10😅🤦🏾 The emotional manipulation that I was talking about isn't stuff like making you empathize with the character or their struggle, but simple(but repetitive) stuff like having the characters crying over nonsensical stuff or at stupid moments. I don't remember much about it(which is a good thing honestly) but there were a bunch of melancholic moments where there was no trigger or reason for them. Most of them had no narrative purpose but had 1 result making the audience connect/like more the character A famous example that anyone can understand is in FT when Sting is unable to attack and defeat a near death FT crew just because of who they are...doing that while crying. The reasons for the action is stupid/lack motive, yet many fans like the scene because of how they felt...if this doesn't help you understand(you gave it a 10, I doubt it will😅), someone reading this will |
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