spupapi said: mahollo said: I think that comparing modern music to music in the past is a completely fair comparison, that's like saying you can't compare books written now to books written in the past, of course you can they're all books. If one doesn't like the genres of music made today and does like the genres made in the 60's then how is that an unfair comparison? As I said in my other post, you can. In past there were different genres, you can't compare it to todays music, unless some of the todays music, play the old ones, but it will not be the mainstream anymore, right? In past the mainstream were Blues, Jazz and so on. They didn't have Hip Hop or Rap. How could you compare Jazz to Hip Hop? It's not that hard because Hip hop evolved out of Jazz. Music can always be traced back. Blues came out of Jazz, R&B came out of Blues, R&B became Hip Hop and Hip-hop turned into Rap. But Hip Hop also borrowed alot from Doo Wop and Gospel. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| Rather than comparing some mostly, if not fully subjective comparison about music quality, let's look at what the present had presented for us that was unavailable in the past. The Internet had given all the developed countries' majority access to songs from just about everywhere. Even TV in the past hadn't shown this much diversity. In a way, the ability to find songs you like is a lot higher than before. If I like a particular niche in the music genre, all I have to do is essentially Google, find 2-3 top list charts, and start browsing from there. And if I could find songs I like much faster, that's always a good thing. There's no point comparing mainstream songs, because social trends change all the time. In the past, just as now, artists were limited to cultural norms, experience, and whatever, that dictates what they will sing/play/etc. Oh yeah, we tend to think they're all expressing creativity and whatnot, but creativity always have to come from somewhere. And is almost always limited by something. And this begs the question (which I started already as a topic), why do we like particular songs in the first place? The music taste is one of the most diverse areas, I think, simply due to so many (random) factors that could affect tastes. Just because a song has trashy lyric doesn't make the song terrible. Just because the song has beautiful lyric doesn't make the song good either. Of course, a song could be totally trashy while still having trashy lyrics as well. (And to nobody specifically,) to group so much variety under one assumption that trashy lyric = trashy song is as ignorant as believing music in the past was always better. |
| This thread is entirely subjective because I know someone thinks this music is good. |
| I love music no matter what generation it comes from just unfortunately music is more and more manufactured than before. A lot of 'popular' music on the radio are predestined to be popular by media companies as a means of making money but also has taken away the art in music. There is still a wide variety of music with originality and creativity out there its just not as publicized through TV and Radio but instead through the internet and word of mouth. Yes there is plenty of music I don't enjoy but to each his own. Really its based on taste and many people will ignorantly bash music as they please, but I choose to enjoy what I want no matter what people say. |
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Jigero said: spupapi said: mahollo said: I think that comparing modern music to music in the past is a completely fair comparison, that's like saying you can't compare books written now to books written in the past, of course you can they're all books. If one doesn't like the genres of music made today and does like the genres made in the 60's then how is that an unfair comparison? As I said in my other post, you can. In past there were different genres, you can't compare it to todays music, unless some of the todays music, play the old ones, but it will not be the mainstream anymore, right? In past the mainstream were Blues, Jazz and so on. They didn't have Hip Hop or Rap. How could you compare Jazz to Hip Hop? It's not that hard because Hip hop evolved out of Jazz. Music can always be traced back. Blues came out of Jazz, R&B came out of Blues, R&B became Hip Hop and Hip-hop turned into Rap. But Hip Hop also borrowed a lot from Doo Wop and Gospel. Yeah the music was evolving, but once it evolves, it turns out almost totally different from the one, it was evolved from. By the way, Jazz didn't come out of Blues. And Hip Hop definitely wasn't evolved from Jazz, are you deaf? The beat is totally different, pretty much a lot of things are different. Yes there are exceptions, which takes beat from Jazz and put it into Hip Hop, but todays Hip Hop has nothing to do with the Jazz from past. Sorry, but You should get some knowledge about music, before saying it something like that. Thus there is nothing which could be trully "best". Because everyone will view it differently, than the others. Everything has it's beauty, but not everyone sees it. |
spupapiApr 13, 2010 11:55 AM
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ridojiri said: And did you never think, that perhaps if there is this new shit music, they won't know about the old good music? That seems like your problem though. You don't like the music now a days. Clearly, other people do, however. If they really wanted to know about older music, they would. Even so, that doesn't mean they'll like it. I haven't exactly heard a song before the 90s that I like or would even consider listening to. Why? Because I do not enjoy it. That's not saying there isn't one, I just haven't come across it yet. Frankly, people need to suck it up. If you don't like the music it, ignore it. You can't do anything about it. Listen to your own music. Trying to say music now days sucks and then trying to insult someone else for their own personal taste in music accomplishes nothing since, like many other things in life, it's not objective. |
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| Just relax & learn to respect, music taste is like race, nothing superior or inferior. People who like to search would dig into the past to find out the prototype of each genre they like. Even the newer groups nowadays would also have their fav musician as their idol / model which are often traced back to the same old days. And the biggest genres all started around those old days. Newer songs often appear less creative if you know the old ones. The more old fav you store in your brain, the less likely you can accept the new (new works seems not as creative, less time to listen, etc.) |
| 90% of the music playing on the radio I don't like so I just ignore it. There is so much music out there so u just got to do a little research to find the ones u like. But I have to say I do like listening older music more guess I just like the sound better. |
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| It's true that most of today's mainstream music is trash. But there are still underground artists that produce fantastic music, even today. Crappy music finds you, so it's up to you to find the good music. |
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| It is often, that people says that old music was better. Because in past, the musicians didn't get paid that much, as musicians today (rich, and a lot). Today, many american corporations, is giving opportunities to people, with music talents, to shine, and become famous. But are those people, really after the music? Many of them are just after the money. Todays music became too commercial, and most of them are edited on computer, I can't even recognize, whatever they have skills or not, unless I heard them live. In past, people didn't get money from music that much, but yet, they still played the music so well. It is the passion towards to music. |
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| ITT: Generalizations. |
spupapi said: True. It seems that these days it's much more important to look cool and sexy than to actually know how to sing. Looks hav become the main thing and music only comes as second. Like u said we hav computers these days u don't really need to know how to sing. It's like it is with editing photos..u can be the ugly as hell but with little touches u'll turn into something completely different. :/It is often, that people says that old music was better. Because in past, the musicians didn't get paid that much, as musicians today (rich, and a lot). Today, many american corporations, is giving opportunities to people, with music talents, to shine, and become famous. But are those people, really after the music? Many of them are just after the money. Todays music became too commercial, and most of them are edited on computer, I can't even recognize, whatever they have skills or not, unless I heard them live. In past, people didn't get money from music that much, but yet, they still played the music so well. It is the passion towards to music. |
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Tyestor said: ITT: Generalizations. And people who think they have educated opinions. |
| If we're talking about the western music, I can't blame them. Sometimes, people are sick of today's mainstream music. A lot of music today aren't original and they're just some recycled stuff with different tune and melodies. Music records just want to sell and not try to be original anymore -- so they choose talented singers and to go with their catchy intro tune where people can immediately tell what song's gonna be played 4 seconds in. The elements that make up today's western music: - I love you - You love me - We break up - Shake that ass - Dance and party I can't think of anymore. There are probably 1000 songs about those 5 stuff listed. |
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| I've got 7th row tickets to see Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers in August and I am going to see Apples in Stereo next Saturday. Guess I'm a music snob |
| I have to admit, I'm guilty of upholding this opinion as well, but I do think that there is an artist or a band out there somewhere that will save the quality of today's music, but the record companies won't accept them because they think they won't make enough money with their kind of music. Do those companies really care about artistic expression? Unless they're able to churn out Top 40 hits like Lady Gaga and that Bieber kid, those new bands or artists won't make it into the mainstream and get everyone's attention, but then again, who needs Top 40 radio to get noticed when you have the Internet? |
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| Yea music it terrible today, if your only looking at what the mass media considers popular. But if you look anywhere other then that music is still really good. But that's how it's ALWAYS been, underground shit is good until the Main Stream picks it up then it turns to crap. It happened in the 40's, the 50's, the 60's, the 70's and 80's and the 90's too, nothing has changed. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| There are as many fantastic artists nowadays as there were decades ago. Not as readily apparent perhaps but there are great groups if you look hard enough. Just because the mainstream music of today is not what I prefer, doesn't mean everything in this age is shit. |
| Generally, people who say so know only about popular music. Most mainstream music may be garbage, but there are still good artists that aren't well known, you can find really good works on some websites and communities that promote and sell music from great artists, many of whom are independent musicians. If you want good music, you have to search for it. |
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| I like Maroon 5, I like Judas Priest. So where are you going with this? |
| I know why! I know why! (Okay, only about adults at least XD) They sad the lyrics had more meaning (Should I really find one with deep meaning?) and not "Everyone can write lyrics and melody". I'm sure that my father is not the only one who think that way. And yes, I don't love all the new songs (Only few XD). There are some good songs from time to time... Not that I love a lot of old songs either. I geuss I'm really choosy XD |
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| I like past and present. They're both as great/shit as each other. |
| Whatever its just music. I don't care if my music is considered shit and for the most part i agree that a lot of it is. |
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| It's more to do with genre than how old the music is. People who like music of the past usually like classic rock, hard rock etc. Lotsa new genres have become mainstream these days eg. rap, electronic music, pop punk As for myself, I don't really give a shit about how old the song is, as long as it sounds good and has guitar. ... CHILDREN OF BODOM FTWWWWTFWTWTFWTW LOLOLOLOL |
| Theres just more trash around than there used to be, it's much easier to gain popularity with mediocre/bad songs. Still, Minimal and Alternative are some of the best genres to ever have existed and they have been around for not so long atm, who knos what the future will bring us. (the only genre that is still amazing as it was back in it's time is Classical, just because composers spend so much time on one piece, beautiful!) Hell.. even rachmaninoff was a composer in the 20th century and he wrote some of the best pieces. I guess we need more bands that actually revolutionize a certain genre. |
Soundtrack said: Mainstream music is trash. |
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spupapi said: Can you compare Jazz with Hip Hop? It'd be like comparing chocolate over rice. If it's Acid-Jazz. |
| How is comparing music being snobby? It's a matter of opinion which you think is better. |
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frootbat said: Soundtrack said: Mainstream music is trash. Uh huh. You're real cool ;) |
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| Listening to J-pop mostly from Anime since I am lazy to search every each song in the world....(out of topic) Anyway,every one surely has their favorite song and artist. and people like to compare their current favorite song are more superior than the new one or the one which they found..... |
| Liking a song does not mean the song itself is better than other songs. It just means you like the song better than others. I wouldn't call the songs I listen particular better than others, since I've no criteria to judge it by. I just like it better, for whatever reasons, but it does not have to mean that the song itself is better. |
Tachii said: Liking a song does not mean the song itself is better than other songs. Tachii said: I just like it better, for whatever reasons, but it does not have to mean that the song itself is better. I can't tell the difference between these two statement. You just like it better for whatever reason it is? .For whatever reason it maybe are all related back to the song which you has listened. You like it better but that doesn't mean the song itself is better ? 0.o |
| Hard to explain. Since I have no criterias to go by, as I mentioned. Like I guess a song could be catchier than another song, but that doesn't mean I'll like the catchier song. I might just like the song that's less catchy, therefore, less "better", since I usually like more catchier songs. Hmm. And this could be within the same artist and genre. |
| It is so confuse(took me 20minit just to figure out what are you talking just now) ....I think I will just listen to song while i feel it is "catchy" I might just like the song that's less catchy, therefore, less "better", since I usually like more catchier songs. Hmm. And this could be within the same artist and genre. I think I starting to get what your sentence structure are."I might just like the song that's less catchy since I usually like more catchier songs ~.~ ." The meaning of the sentence is so deep that I can't even analyze anymore. Well actually i also can't really explain why I like song anyway,I just simply give a reason just to satisfy myself. |
MorningGloryJul 24, 2010 10:17 AM
| Not really deep, just really confusing, since liking a song is pretty complicated, if I think about it. Normally I don't think about it, so speaking my mind on it will make it less understandable. Anyways, I thought of something else. There's also the issue of how much times I've heard it. A song I'd say was the greatest after a few hundred times of listening, while still remain great, it becomes less liked since something else came along, not that it's better than the old song, but just the new feeling it brings. So I guess I can say it's "better" since it's newer, but it's not "better" since it's less addictive than what I felt when I was listening to the old song. But currently, I like the new song more since obviously I listen to it more often. It's complicated, since that's just one reason why I might like a song that itself might not be necessarily better than others, but I like it more (at the current time). |
| Now your current statement makes a bit more sense.... "So I guess I can say it's "better" since it's newer, but it's not "better" since it's less addictive than what I felt when I was listening to the old song." So you categorize your liking into "addictive" and "better"? |
Sohei said: spupapi said: Can you compare Jazz with Hip Hop? It'd be like comparing chocolate over rice. If it's Acid-Jazz. "My genre is better than yours" is the worst kind of music elitism. |
| Everyone thinks their generation is the best. Its human nature to think that their own shit don't stank If you know what i mean. |
MorningGlory said: I've no idea anymore. I think I'll just go listening to some songs and play some games after. lolNow your current statement makes a bit more sense.... "So I guess I can say it's "better" since it's newer, but it's not "better" since it's less addictive than what I felt when I was listening to the old song." So you categorize your liking into "addictive" and "better"? |
| Pop music was better, the people who say that don't really know much about music, they just know a bunch of generic artist like The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, etc. and have a good amount of greatest hits albums. Most of the ones I met are too lazy to find good music and want the radio to find it for them, so when the radio goes down in quality, they say bullshit like that. |
Sohei said: spupapi said: Can you compare Jazz with Hip Hop? It'd be like comparing chocolate over rice. If it's Acid-Jazz. Or you know if it's a song that features Rapping and Jazz instruments, I might just be crazy enough to compare the two!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mnbOb608HI And I could also have some originality and not think of all Hip Hop as just Lil Wayne because I'm too lazy to actually research Hip Hop and listen to Hip Hop songs that aren't played on the radio! But that's just me... |
| all I have to say is baby baby baby oh baby who givs a shit what ppl listens to, the artists are maken the music andthe money and that's what ppl want and there will be plenty of it |
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| Old music is considered good by some because they only pick the good songs. Your average pop music in the 60's was just as shit as now, it's just that no one remembers it. Just like no one will remember Soulja Boy in 20 years. |
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