Japan is No Longer A Leader In Animation!!!

katsucats said:
Oops, I missed this. This particularly tells me you probably think the Confederacy wasn't about slavery, because if you think China has been appropriating things for a millennium, then you are sorely lacking in your world history, and blindly trusting of the Western colonialist mindset. In reality, China (and Japan) didn't start appropriating Western cultures until it was forced upon them by the people who saw Asian traditions as savage. You really think the West never appropriated anything? Let me remind you: Gunpowder? Algebra? Horse-riding? The composite bow?

ToG25thBaam said:
I won't lie, I am more fond towards Chinese anime these days, even those animated in 3DCG. I prefer their style of animation, reminds me a lot of Japanese animation in the past before they stopped caring about making good anime and started being more of a businessman like Tomino mentioned. Most Japanese anime today are more about promoting the original source (which I don't read most of the time) rather than one that's great.

I also like wuxia stories more than I like isekai.

Madao_Taizo said:
link click is good but its not a masterpeice, most of the chinese animations are just hot trash!!
Just ignore this old man

007sahil said:
watch soul land this anime will open your blurry eyes that notopen because of watching japanese anime

Madao_Taizo said:
I would rather have a blurry eye than having a blind eye like you.

Liebely said:
Man, this guy is too fucking old. Grandpa is out of his mind. Doesn't know what he's talking about. Yeah, Gramps, whatever you say, now go back to bed or doing old people stuff whatever. Nobody cares!


Lmao. Violet Evargarden beats this ugly CGI shit out of the water mate. You are just like Gramps Tomino.

jal90 said:
Why are there so many posts here using Tomino's statements, which are completely unrelated to quality and taste, to justify their own taste? Whether you like shows or not is not going to factor in Chinese animation taking over Japanese animation, stop thinking so highly of yourselves.

Even MAL doesn't have a single Chinese donghua placed in it's top rankings

Scordolo said:
@ColourWheel

Link click and Mo dao zu shi would like to have a word with you.
Even though these two are the only Chinese doungha placed in top 50, that's still a huge feat accomplished by Chinese Animation. They are slow, but they are surely getting to the mainstream.

ColourWheel said:
@Katsucats

You want to know why Anime studios like "Manglobe" went bankrupt?

I don't have any proof but I do have my suspicions....

About a little over a decade ago I ordered online a few anime DVD sets without checking precisely what I was ordering at the time. One of which was the complete box set of the series "Samurai Champloo". Once I got it in the mail I noticed something fishy about it because it was something completely different then what was being advertised when I ordered it online. The cover art was not the same and the inlays in the DVD cases were completely non-existent. Yet I still got the entire series in DVD quality. The only noticeable difference was oddly the series had additional subtitles in Mandarin. At this point I realized I was conned into buying a counterfeit copy of the series that was obviously professionally produced in China.

It ends up, China has been doing stuff like this for decades.

Coincidentally "Manglobe" happens to be the very studio that produced "Samurai Champloo".

It's because of stuff like this why China is probably never going to be any leader in Animation. This is a country that has literally been culturally appropriating things outside of it's own country for millenniums. Most countries around the world have started to refuse to do any trading with them.

konkelo said:
This argument doesn't make much sense. If you are arguing that the fact bootlegs exist thus people don't buy the official release, wouldn't the same applied to ya know pirating. In the 80's people rented bootleg vhs of anime in USA, but it hasn't stopped anime getting official release there. Also anime isn't the only one that has bootlegs made of, plenty of live action movies have bootlegs from some country of origin. Often the reason why animation studios in Japan go bankrupt lays on other things. It has been a thing for a while where animation studio declares bankruptcy and some time goes on and one or group of the workers from that studio start a new one.

Unless you're arguing about something else.

ColourWheel said:


1st of all it wasn't some "fansubber" bootleg, it was a professional copy with a serial number that I eventually found linking back to a Chinese manufacturer company that was later known for counterfeiting DVD sets and then selling them in bulk to anyone willing to buy. There was a guy named "Fort Myers" who was found guilty of selling these counterfeit DVDs in the U.S. and it all linked back to China. Apparently he had some site called WipeoutDVDs.com

Now you might wonder what this has to do with the quality of donghua production?

You are missing the point of a bigger picture. The Chinese government doesn't care about cracking down on protecting foreign intellectual property. Cultural appropriation is relatively a new concept to them because they have never thought about it like the rest of the world has until recently. They literally have been doing this for millenniums but since the victors of war write the history books we just all assume all things culturally Chinese originated there.

China cares more about the price of products whether it's counterfeit or not. Chinese theft of American intellectual property alone has been estimated around $225 billion and $600 billion every year. Giving you that small example of how this could have effected "Manglobe" well over a decade ago is not completely out of reach when their Government is letting bootlegs being produced on a massive scale legally leaving their country to be sold off as legit authentic products.

Piracy is a completely different realm and every industry in the entertainment medium already accounts for this, but they don't account for what is practically state sponsored counterfeit production of foreign goods when their country doesn't do anything about it.

This is not xenophobic propaganda either it's actually more truthful than maybe you wish to believe.

Now you ask why they have premium limited edition run model to sell to hardcore fans? It's because there is not enough demand for them in the 1st place to be produced on a massive scale. This has nothing to do with defense for piracy. This type of logic is more laughably than you basically calling out my post as a xenophobic rant.

The reason why the Japanese Anime industry is untouchable because anything else that is trying to replace it is just a cheap copy like a Chinese fansubber bootlegged DVD you can get over eBay when they are advertising it as the real deal.

In the end the quality of donghua production is basically not going to matter.

ColourWheel said:


If you would have taken the time to read a previous rebuttal from someone commenting on what you are quoting me on now you would get a better context what I was getting at so I will just post it again for you to read.

konkelo said:
The market of bootleg release are an industry sure, but it being government supported is a big statement. Plus outside Japan Chinese market is the one that spends most money on animanga and is the likely one for the industry to expand on. If bootlegs were such a big issue I'm sure it would show on statistics presented by the industry itself.

ColourWheel said:


It practically is state sponsored counterfeit production of foreign goods when their country keeps doing this and their government does nothing about and mostly looks the other way.

According to a report from CODA (The Content Overseas Distribution Association), Damage Caused by Japanese Film, Anime, Manga do to Chinese counterfeits Amounts to over $3 Billion a year.

konkelo said:
Do you have the report at hand? Just googling it gives crunchyroll news from 2014 report, and it doesn't specify any Chinese bootleg and seems to be counted one download/click from pirate site=loss of revenue (2.5 billion us dollars not categorized by country).

katsucats said:
I don't see why not. There are standouts of course, but on the average, Japanese animation is quite stale. From the article, Japan has been importing work from Korea, China and Vietnam for like a decade, and it's coming to the point where these studios overseas have learned from the masters themselves, just like Japan learned from Disney in the 70s.