Would this anime be even better if they skip the cringe horny gags of Rudeus?

G1llette said:
Nothing is more entertaining than reading through a Mushoku Tensei thread where fans discuss in an echo chamber how Rudeus acting like a weird fucker is actually crucial to character development and world-building. You guys can like whatever u wanna like, but stop trying so hard to justify your weird obsession with perverted characters, it's weird.
Also, people saying that this anime is for 'mature people' are perhaps the most comical people I've seen on this site.

beyondhorne said:
its just an easy way to tell people that rudeus is a shitty person. it shows how an mc can be flawed and not perfect like every other mc in isekai that used mt's tropes. a lot of people that enjoy mt aren't here for the ecchi shit (at least i hope not) but they want to see the character progress over the course of the long story. he's obviously not going to become a better person so early into the series that would end up being around 100 episodes if they adapted everything. can't wait for people to stop bitching about this when we get to the halfway point of the series. maybe then it won't get spammed with 1's just because of the mc not being what they wanted him to be.

MugenNoShirayuki said:


The thing is, though, being a pedophile isn't something you can just "fix" through building up your personal character and working to be a better person. Portraying pedophilia as a "flaw" that Rudeus must "grow out of" is a very poor portrayal of what pedophilia actually is, and really makes the whole thing seem rather skeevy and almost excusatory. "Pedophiles are just people who had some bad experiences. If they can understand it's wrong and harmful and work hard and try to improve themselves, they won't be attracted to children anymore!" That isn't how it works.

Make Rudeus a flawed person, fine. Make him a pervert, or an asshole, or some other thing that is actually a flaw in someone's character that they can improve. But making him a pedophile is the wrong way to go about properly capturing a redemption and growth story, because you can't "grow past" an ingrained attraction to children.

beyondhorne said:

you're thinking about it like this is a real person. of course a real person can't just "grow out" of being a pedo. im saying that it is clear to see how he has grown to be more of a good person in the latest volumes and how there is no pedo behavior in them. of course they aren't gonna state "i am no longer a pedophile!" in the book, they tell you how he's progressed by you reading the story throughout. the things he's experienced in his old life and early in his new life push him to become a better person later on since he now realizes his faults. so in conclusion, can you suddenly stop being a pedophile in real life? no. can you show how you've grown as a person and learn from your mistakes to add a bit of depth to a character in a story? yes.

Subham2942 said:
Well since Rudeus is so horny all the time it keeps reminding us that he used to be an ugly 34 year old hikikomori in his past life and had not left the house for 15-20 years. Not to mention he is a total virgin, can you imagine staying virgin for 45 years? It's no wonder he is trying to get laid all the time...and reincarnation will not suddenly change a man so quickly, a man who was jerking off during his parents' funeral.
Seeing Rudeus grow through out the series is what makes this show even better...you can already see how much he holds back around Eris.
I have not read the WN/LN but I believe (or hope) that these gags will get toned down as we go on and especially once he gets laid for real.

J_Tea said:
The horny gags being reduced would salvage this show a little. Rudeus can and does have more flaws than his horniness, but people act like removing these gags would leave him as a flawless character which just feels so false.

The only reason I feel people want it in is because it makes people upset, which is just pathetic behaviour If I'm being honest.

J_Tea said:


I literally just stated that I didn't want a flawless character, but reading seems to be the last thing you planned to do.

J_Tea said:


How about instead of minimise you take those scenes where he's perving and treat them less like fanservice. Do we need to see the naked underage girls bathing to know what he's looking at? - Some would say yes, I would personally say no. I'm a smart individual, I know exactly what he's perving at. Just treat the female cast with just a-bit more respect in that regard, or is that too much to ask?

Just to clarify I did like episode 14 and 15, there are aspects of the show I do like, there are just more that hold it back for me. I don't know, this show is just a can of worms for me lol.

J_Tea said:


I'm glad we could come to a somewhat agreement. Apologies for my rude introduction. 🤝

Harucchan said:
Yeah, totally! There are way too many perverted jokes, but that's not all! The author has some really twisted sense of humor. Also, in my opinion, this twisted sense of humor also shows in the narrative in moments in which Rudeus seems to be punished without even doing anything wrong (though that seems to be a commom trope in anime of this type).

dabdabgoose said:
Paul had high expectations for him but they where unrealistic, Rudy could of told his story more accurately which wouldn't of made Paul lash out as much but he likely did that so his dad wouldn't worry but it had the opposite effect.

I wouldn't compare it to other tropes in Animes as they usually do it for the twist even if it makes no sense, this scene can make total sense when you understand the characters.

I do think Paul is mostly in the wrong but overall it's a misunderstanding combined with frustration, Paul looked like a broken man and lashed out.

The beast people prison thing though was a bit stupid imo, they never let him speak and tell them his point of view and instantly thought he was at fault despite dead smugglers everywhere.

Harucchan said:


Yeah, I agree with you, though I wasn't really talking about the discussion with Paul (still, it falls under the same logic). To me, it started with Rudeus having to be on his own under some noble relatives household, having to be constrained due to intricate family politics he knew nothing about. I'm sure there are some other moments, but this was the one that first drew my attention. I won't even mention the florest prison, because that thing was so stupid it just made me annoyed. I guess it was supposed to be funny, but I honestly wasn't amused at all.

Regarding the thing I said about this kind of trope being common in other anime, I meant making the MC suffer for some sort of comeback in which he'll have a "in your face" kind of moment. I guess it's a legitimate technique of writing, but I don't like it. You can see it in anime such as Tate no Yuusha, Re:Zero, Bokutachi no Remake, Tsukimichi, Mahouka Koukou no Rottosei, Fumetsu no Anata e, Jujutsu Kaisen, No Guns Life, Dororo and so many others (these are just some that I managed to remember). The only anime in which I appreciated this trope being used was Naruto, because I could see how it benefited the story and the character growth; at other anime, I just think they seem kind of pointless. I wonder why mangaka like to use it so much... Maybe Japanese are a bit sadistic, I don't know. Still, this is mostly what I meant.