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Has Ecchi haters won a major victory despite not wanting to consume that type of product?

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Feb 4, 2021 5:19 AM
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You've heard the constant shit opinion expressed by ecchi haters that instead of watching ecchi focused content that you should just watch hentai or read doujinshi/eromanga

Now Im personally completely happy with all the sex from Ishuzoku Reviewers, Peter Grill, Redo Healer and probably other stuff Im not thinking about right now, But now I can't shake the feeling the ecchi haters have made some kind of major victory on their front without actually doing anything nor even liking those shows anymore than any other ecchi that doesnt have sex

Your thoughts guys?
Feb 4, 2021 5:21 AM
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uhhh idk but like why do u care so much?? just watch what u want
Feb 4, 2021 5:21 AM
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When I watch an Ecchi tagged anime, all I want is uncensored nipples, nothing more, nothing less.
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Feb 4, 2021 5:23 AM
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2077 said:
uhhh idk but like why do u care so much?? just watch what u want
I already do that

this is just a matter of knowing if the enemy has won ground under our feet without us really thinking about it
Feb 4, 2021 5:26 AM
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When incels are told to either get laid or die trying, so they die without trying and get isekai'd to rapeland.
Feb 4, 2021 5:50 AM
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araizarai said:
Won in what way? Because they were right that some of those shows are basically porn or something?
Won more so in the way that ecchi should just be turned into or replaced by porn in their eyes and it seems to be actually happening and is slowly in the starting phase of the change for the future
Feb 4, 2021 5:55 AM
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So basically you're saying that ecchi haters "won", but in a way that only benefits us ecchi watchers? Well, i see no downside there; they can keep winning for all i care.
Feb 4, 2021 5:58 AM
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Stygian_Prisoner said:
So basically you're saying that ecchi haters "won", but in a way that only benefits us ecchi watchers? Well, i see no downside there.
Well I see it as a win since Im completely happy with seeing more sex in my anime regardless of ecchi or not but there are ecchi fans who are completely against sex in their ecchi focused content believe it or not
Feb 4, 2021 6:03 AM
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even if it's sex it's very censored and implied, I think you remember the blowjob scene from ishuzoku, they added a mayo bottle.
ecchi is not turning into hentai and we get from time to time sex scenes in regular anime, parasyte has a sex scene, sure, it's not over the top but it's clearly sex.
ecchi haters will never win as long as panty shots, bath scenes, flying bras and accidental boob grabs exist
Feb 4, 2021 6:10 AM

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Since almost every anime with the ecchi tag is systematically rated 0.5 points lower than equally good non-ecchi ones, I'd say ecchi haters are winning (=their opinion is still predominant).
Feb 4, 2021 6:11 AM

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Catalano said:
even if it's sex it's very censored and implied, I think you remember the blowjob scene from ishuzoku, they added a mayo bottle.
ecchi is not turning into hentai and we get from time to time sex scenes in regular anime, parasyte has a sex scene, sure, it's not over the top but it's clearly sex.
ecchi haters will never win as long as panty shots, bath scenes, flying bras and accidental boob grabs exist
Ah well the mayo bottle is from the manga that which is a lot tamer
Dont think the mayo bottle is a censor but there because its mad funny looking
the carrot scene is censorship without a doubt though despite funny

Feb 4, 2021 6:17 AM

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Well it looks like ecchi haters have won just by looking the new trend of sexual TV anime that are not the traditional "ecchi" where the epic fall of MC over fictional gil's boobs,cameltoes,panty shots, nipple sighting,"panchira",etc, are almost none existant.

Those type of ecchi had its maximum point in 2015 after that year have been decreasing to the point of being scarce, but are still produce like Senran Kagura shinovi master,Nande Koko ni Sensei ga!?
,Kandagawa Jet Girls, Tsugumomo s2(This one suffered in the loli service probably because the first season was heavily censored overseas)

Going back to the newest trend, I think it all started with Yosuga no Sora, Nozoki ana Aki sora, where all of those shows just feature sex with type of directing that is possible to not be a hentai as we call them in the west(I prefer that type of directing than a tradicional hentai) and those shows are mostly drama and Redo Healer is dark fantasy also the upcoming Shuumatsu no Harem follows the same trend. Now probably Parallel Paradise adaptation looks posible.

But not all hope is lost because Shoukan Shoujo no Dorei Majutsu s2 was recently announced and Shinju no nectar probably will get an adaptation(those authors almost always get anime of their works)

I also a belive that there will allways be
Japanese men and women willing to give a middle finger to the west, it has been happening since the 70s with Cutey honey for example.
Feb 4, 2021 6:18 AM

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Deknijff said:
Catalano said:
even if it's sex it's very censored and implied, I think you remember the blowjob scene from ishuzoku, they added a mayo bottle.
ecchi is not turning into hentai and we get from time to time sex scenes in regular anime, parasyte has a sex scene, sure, it's not over the top but it's clearly sex.
ecchi haters will never win as long as panty shots, bath scenes, flying bras and accidental boob grabs exist
Ah well the mayo bottle is from the manga that which is a lot tamer
Dont think the mayo bottle is a censor but there because its mad funny looking
the carrot scene is censorship without a doubt though despite funny

think of censorship as having 2 categories
1. regular direct censorship - when they show the guy and the act but paste a carrot instead of the D or a big black bar like in Minazuki Suu manga
2. indirect censorship - when they try to convince you that a mayo bottle is a D and the girl is doing a BJ but they don't really show the act, and at the end of the day, the producers when asked could tell "no, it was just a mayo bottle, nothing sexual" but in other speeches "we wanted to make it as spicier as we could, think of it as a BJ"

example of no2 nsfw
Feb 4, 2021 6:19 AM

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imagine talking down to people that just dont want their entertainment to treat them like desperate losers
Feb 4, 2021 6:24 AM

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CuteAssTiger said:
imagine talking down to people that just dont want their entertainment to treat them like desperate losers

Imagine outing yourself as a perfect example of what OP is talking about, amazing brain usage my friend.
"Well, she's flatter than a pancake"
-Mimi Alpacas
"Woof"
-Tobiichi Origami 
"Are you trying to turn the dormitory into a strip club!?!
-Atena Saotome 
Feb 4, 2021 6:33 AM
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I think we need to consider our options.

Feb 4, 2021 6:33 AM

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I dont seek out ecchi and I dont avoid it. Its just a genre who cares like it hate it move on. People just want things to complain about.

I think a lot of people complain because everyone needs to stand for something so they find things to complain about. What ever its over blown like so many other things.
Feb 4, 2021 7:13 AM

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Tropisch said:
CuteAssTiger said:
imagine talking down to people that just dont want their entertainment to treat them like desperate losers

Imagine outing yourself as a perfect example of what OP is talking about, amazing brain usage my friend.


Because outing oneself as not liking it when entertainment treats me like a desperate loser is something negative ? I guess ?

Amazing punchline dude .
The way you say it it sounds like it confirms a point OP made but there is none

So much amazing brain usage.
Feb 4, 2021 7:28 AM

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Catalano said:
Deknijff said:
Ah well the mayo bottle is from the manga that which is a lot tamer
Dont think the mayo bottle is a censor but there because its mad funny looking
the carrot scene is censorship without a doubt though despite funny
example of no2 nsfw
thats a very nice cool pic honestly
Is a shame all those girls seem to have short hair though
Feb 4, 2021 7:37 AM
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The main difference between ecchi and hentai is that no sexual acts are performed in ecchi. It is true that some ecchi anime border the line between ecchi and hentai. But not all of them do. It's a matter of opinion at the end of the day.

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imagine talking down to people that just dont want their entertainment to treat them like desperate losers


I don't see how you're a desperate loser for liking ecchi. If people want to act like prudes just for anything that's slightly sexual, then I think it suggests a lack of maturity on their part. Not all people have to watch ecchi anime for the purpose of being aroused.
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Feb 4, 2021 7:57 AM

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Deknijff said:
Catalano said:
example of no2 nsfw
thats a very nice cool pic honestly
Is a shame all those girls seem to have short hair though

the middle one has long hair, the angle is not that good, she also had small boobs in the first chapters but something happened and she got the "big fat voluptuous round manga tiddies"
Feb 4, 2021 7:59 AM

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TheFireNinja said:
The main difference between ecchi and hentai is that no sexual acts are performed in ecchi. It is true that some ecchi anime border the line between ecchi and hentai. But not all of them do. It's a matter of opinion at the end of the day.

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imagine talking down to people that just dont want their entertainment to treat them like desperate losers


I don't see how you're a desperate loser for liking ecchi. If people want to act like prudes just for anything that's slightly sexual, then I think it suggests a lack of maturity on their part. Not all people have to watch ecchi anime for the purpose of being aroused.


It's not about being a loser but about the story treating their audience as such

Many shows like that treat their audience like desperate losers..
There is a reason why the main characters in those fantasies are often depicted as people with no real personality or outstanding characteristics or skills and that are generally failures. The people behind the show hope that their audience identifies with that because they think that is what their audience is.
It's like the fat bastard archetype in hentai.


Wouldn't it suggest a lack of maturity if someone is easily baited with softcore lewds ? How is it immature of someone just expects better of their entertainment?


Some ecchis are genuinely funny. I get that.
But if the point is the sexual content then what is the point of taking half measures?

I think anime like interspecies reviewers take a much better approach because they deliver on their premise .
Instead of doing the bare minimum and hoping that it's enough for some horny teenager. (Besides reviewers is also really good comedy )
Feb 4, 2021 8:02 AM

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There has been like 10 threads on this in 2021 and we are only in February.

Which leads me to addressing the subject. This constant need to justify watching ecchi at every turn is why people are put off of it being around. By all means go enjoy it but this ramming it down none ecchi watchers throats is not helping.
Feb 4, 2021 8:11 AM

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Deknijff said:
You've heard the constant shit opinion expressed by ecchi haters that instead of watching ecchi focused content that you should just watch hentai or read doujinshi/eromanga

Now Im personally completely happy with all the sex from Ishuzoku Reviewers, Peter Grill, Redo Healer and probably other stuff Im not thinking about right now, But now I can't shake the feeling the ecchi haters have made some kind of major victory on their front without actually doing anything nor even liking those shows anymore than any other ecchi that doesnt have sex

Your thoughts guys?
I only care for Ecchi if it's not harem garbage. Stuff like Prison School are absolutely fine but if it's harem stuff like Date a Live / Haganai then they absolute garbage.
Feb 4, 2021 8:19 AM
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CuteAssTiger said:

It's not about being a loser but about the story treating their audience as such

Many shows like that treat their audience like desperate losers..
There is a reason why the main characters in those fantasies are often depicted as people with no real personality or outstanding characteristics or skills and that are generally failures. The people behind the show hope that their audience identifies with that because they think that is what their audience is.
It's like the fat bastard archetype in hentai.


Wouldn't it suggest a lack of maturity if someone is easily baited with softcore lewds ? How is it immature of someone just expects better of their entertainment?


Some ecchis are genuinely funny. I get that.
But if the point is the sexual content then what is the point of taking half measures?

I think anime like interspecies reviewers take a much better approach because they deliver on their premise .
Instead of doing the bare minimum and hoping that it's enough for some horny teenager. (Besides reviewers is also really good comedy )


I guess I didn't understand the point you were making. I do agree that some ecchi anime rely on sexual content to appeal to audiences rather than giving well-written and relatable characters. It would be a nice change of pace if they had male protagonists who were socially competent enough to express themselves around the girls they're interested in. I personally couldn't say that I identify with most male MCs in ecchi/harem anime. I just think that there are some elements to appreciate other than the sexual content in those anime at times.
Feb 4, 2021 8:40 AM

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It's more likely that the creators of ecchi just know why people are watching ecchi and are trying to cater to them, than their concern for what "ecchi haters" say. You say that "some ecchi lovers" don't feel the same as you, but perhaps that isn't evident by the metrics of that section of the anime industry. What you're suggesting isn't really how commodity creation works. They make the thing that gets money from the people it's made for, not the thing that confirms the thinking of the people who don't want the thing.
Feb 4, 2021 11:33 AM

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I like ecchi, but I really don't care for seeing outright sex, I'm not trying to watch porn. I watch ecchi for the weird humor/lewdness combination that feels carefree and juvenile. Its sexy and fun, and generally involves cute characters getting really embarrassed. I'm definitely not trying to get off to this shit, but shameless fanservice just feels like a good fit for comedy/harem type shows. Granted, you have to watch ecchi primarily for the tits/ass, otherwise you might as well just watch a show with better characters/writing, etc.
If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.
Feb 4, 2021 12:30 PM

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Chroma said:
Tsugumomo s2(This one suffered in the loli service probably because the first season was heavily censored overseas)
No Tsugumomo censorship was ever done overseas. The censorship in the overseas releases was done in Japan for the TV broadcasts, and is only present because the Japanese companies involved only provided TV-censored versions:

Funimation's normal process is to utilize uncensored materials when available to produce a home video release. If uncensored materials are not available, we utilize the TV broadcast version. This was the case with the “Tsugumomo The Complete Series” BD/DVD Combo which utilizes a combination of uncensored and TV broadcast materials based on what was available from the licensor during home video production.
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Zalis said:
Chroma said:
Tsugumomo s2(This one suffered in the loli service probably because the first season was heavily censored overseas)
No Tsugumomo censorship was ever done overseas. The censorship in the overseas releases was done in Japan for the TV broadcasts, and is only present because the Japanese companies involved only provided TV-censored versions:

Funimation's normal process is to utilize uncensored materials when available to produce a home video release. If uncensored materials are not available, we utilize the TV broadcast version. This was the case with the “Tsugumomo The Complete Series” BD/DVD Combo which utilizes a combination of uncensored and TV broadcast materials based on what was available from the licensor during home video production.



Thanks for the info.

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