| I'm not referring to Gyakuten Saiban or Danganronpa. In these cases it obviously makes more sense to play without a walkthrough. But in the case of games like Fate/Stay Night or Steins;Gate, for example, in which there are many story routes that depend on your choice, do you prefer to find all possibilities within the game on your own or does following an ideal list of actions to go directly though the ideal list of routes in the intended order make the experience more enjoyable? From what I remember, basically everytime I saw an anime character playing visual novels it's always made clear that he or she is trying to complete the routes on his or her own as some kind of challenge. So my question is, to those who try to complete these games without guides: Is there a relevant excitement or valuable experience that comes from the process of trying to unlock and complete all the routes on your own instead of relying on a walkthrough, so as to make up for the time spent on it? |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
Romaki26 said: It really depends on the game. Sometimes one playthrough is enough, other times I want to see another route I felt like taking. But most visual novels aren't, like, good enough for me to wanna see all outcomes. And I don't really need to see 100% of a visual novel. Ah yeah, I forgot to consider it in my first post, but there's also the possibility of just playing through one route. It's not like one necessarily needs to complete 100% of it. BrightFlashLight said: I have a fast record of only finishing one route and considering the whole game done. I also have a fast record of dropping a lot of VN, since they aren't interesting enough. Trust me, it is too much effort. I only really tend to complete the ones I really like and made well enough. I might need a guide if the path system to each routes are rather complicated. Most of the times, it is fine without a guide. To be honest, I'm not even sure where you are supposed to even get a guide. >_>;; Did you play Fate/Stay Night? Its routes are very complicated, and I used a guide because I noticed that it would take too much time to solve the routes on my own. I think it's very easy to find a good guide nowadays. I just write the visual novel's name in japanese in the google and then write 攻略 beside it. A good result usually appears from the site seiya-saiga.com This is a walkthrough for Date A Live: Rio Reincarnation, for example: https://seiya-saiga.com/game/compileheart/date_a_live_pc.html You can also search for the name of the game directly in the list of the site: https://seiya-saiga.com/game/kouryaku.html I think it's reliable. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| >play >VNs Does not compute. VNs are not games. The word you think of is "read". And no, basically, almost never, only if there is some elusive end that I just can't wrap my head around how to get. And in several cases I didn't even applied what I've read in guide when I've read to where it leads, so much I disliked it (you know, bad ends or joke ends). |
 There is such thing as shit taste. Only idiots think that every "work of art" should have the same value.  Persona anime are good. Deal with it. |
| I usually try to do the first route myself, then choose a walkthrough to get them one-by-one with all CGs However, it's become harder for me to focus on reading VNs and more often than not, titles land on indefinite on-hold BrightFlashLight said: Fuwanovel and Gamefaq usually have guides. Otherwise, I just enter the name of the VN + walkthrough in a search engineTo be honest, I'm not even sure where you are supposed to even get a guide. >_>;; |
kitsune0 said: >play >VNs Does not compute. VNs are not games. The word you think of is "read". And no, basically, almost never, only if there is some elusive end that I just can't wrap my head around how to get. And in several cases I didn't even applied what I've read in guide when I've read to where it leads, so much I disliked it (you know, bad ends or joke ends). In fact, I also usually prefer to use the verb "to read" instead because, generally speaking, I don't like video games, and saying that I like "to play a game" sounds not as proper for an adult as saying that I like to "read visual novels", but, leaving aside the denial factor, I honestly think that the verb "to play" still makes more sense, first because it's very common for visual novels to have game elements in it, and also because one doesn't just read a visual novel like one reads a book, for example. The verb "to play" gives a broader meaning that envelops the whole process of reading, looking at the drawings, and listening to the musics and the speeches of the voice actors in the visual novel, besides pressing some buttons to pass to the next text or make choices. Saying that I "read" a visual novel doesn't seem honest, since there's obviously more to it than just reading. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
kitsune0 said: Eroge = erotic game>play >VNs Does not compute. VNs are not games. The word you think of is "read". And no, basically, almost never, only if there is some elusive end that I just can't wrap my head around how to get. And in several cases I didn't even applied what I've read in guide when I've read to where it leads, so much I disliked it (you know, bad ends or joke ends). |
| I usually try to read/play them without any guides at first so I can see where my own decisions would lead me to. That way it makes a VN way more appealing to me than when I already know what choices lead to which endings. When I notice that I run against a wall or can't find anything new, I start using a walkthrough. Said walkthrough is then used until I got every CG and/or other extras the VN has to offer. |
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| I'd like not to prefer to guide if the VN is short(10-30 hours) and if it is of about 30-50 hours, if the storyline is good and completing it 100% is worth a try, I'd refer to guide. But if is greater than 50, I'd first try it myself then complete 100% using guide to watch all endings. In the end, it depends on your interest to complete the game. If you want to see all endings but failed to, there's no harm in using guides and walkthroughs though. *I needed to use guide for Date A Live Rio Reincarnation for 100% completion... |
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| If we're talking about playstation 3/4/VITA games then I always use the guide because of the trophies. If I play ds or psp visual novels simply I don't use them. |
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| Most definitely with, especially those that are more interactive, and not so kinetic novelish*... Have you seen the picture walkthrough for YU-NO The Girl that Chants Love at the Edge of the World? Its a bit of a lot :) |
| I think when you play for the first time, play on your own to see how far you will get by yourself and for the next playthroughs use guide. Playing for all routes in visual games on ur own is waste of time really. |
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| I try not to rely too much, I only check if I feel there is possibilty of missing something like extra CGs lol |
| There are only two scenarios where I use a guide; 1. When I'm aiming for 100% completion. 2. When I've tried all ideas I can think of, yet still can't figure out how to proceed in the game. I don't like to rely on guides because I'd like to "properly" beat the game, but I'll turn to one if it's absolutely necessary. |
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| First route, without, second and other routes, I do it with a guide to check what I missed and if it is worth replaying it. |
| I always do a first run blind (or as blind as I can at least), then it kind of depends on if I feel like I have a good idea of how I could get another ending or not on my own. If I have a good feel for the VN, I'll just do a second route w/o a guide, but otherwise I'll check a guide and see if I want to go do any of the other routes. |
| I it has multiple endings I might use a guide after my first ending |
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| I only used one and it was for Fate/Extra.I needed those matrix |
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| Yes. I enjoy them, but I don't want to be going over and over the same bits of dialogue just to find bits I have missed. |
| Most first tries, i finish it on my own. If it's a second playthrough and i wan't a certain ending, i look up a guide |
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