Wandering Witch: The Journey of Elaina (light novel)
PrincessJAM said: 616Knight said: hopefully thats what it was people do like to make mountains out of mole hills. I think she was just putting on her maid uniform because she was about to start making food. I think people are looking too deep into those few frames. The chief said something like "She's gonna be a beauty when she grows up" or "she'll grow into a real beauty", can't remember exactly, but the point is, he's probably planning to make her into his s*x slave in the future.(definitely not something as pure as his wife, you can tell from his behavior) Until then, he's most likely "just" abusing and molesting her every day, assuming he's not doing worse things already. That's the way I see it. Why else would she be so depressed? If she had a good life in that house, even as a slave, she would be happy. Like when she broke the cup and vase, he was clearly ready to beat her, but he couldn't do it in front of everyone. Obviously she's not treated well. |
-Aincrad-Oct 16, 2020 3:01 PM
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| Honestly, I liked the new episode because it felt real. Sometimes, you see things unfold in front of you, but you end up being a bystander and doing nothing. That made it feel more real and relatable. I don't think most people would've done anything if put in Elaina's place. I know it's fiction, but it's a breath of fresh air imo, and it did remind me about how cruel the world could be sometimes. Not all anime have to have main characters who use their power for good, real life doesn't work that way. I just see Elaina as a traveler, experiencing and learning things as she goes, and what we see is what she documents. |
| This episode was good. Saving them or not is Elaina’s choice not ours, don’t mix the morals of Elaina’s world with our world. Slavery is a normal thing in that world and Elaina isn’t a saint. |
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616Knight said: ------------------ Yes, She can be with guy that found her the happiness you can ensure she isnt in the wrong hands because he clearly cared a lot about her ---------------------------- So you suggest that Elaina rips the family apart. Do you really think the clueless son agrees with it? ------------------- She might still kill herself, but at least she has a chance to be free, I am not expecting Elaina to fix everything, just to try ------------------------------------- As an adolescent you are way more afraid of failure, so not attempting is the better option. The scene where she points her wand at the "father" but then changes the target, shows that she already weighed her options ------------------------- Elaina can fly, human cannot, there is no way "father" could catch up to Nino after Elaina flew her a distance away. --------------------------- I meant it like, the father will find out where Nino lives and catches her. We got to know that he already traveled far away. And being a maniac doesn't let it seem too unlikely I answered within your quote |
616Knight said: Elaina can fly, human cannot, there is no way "father" could catch up to Nino after Elaina flew her a distance away. That sounds like a runaway criminal. And that's chief we're talking about; he sure has political powers. Compare this to real life, even if you are well built with fighting skills, you're not gonna beat up a politician, especially when you're just a teenager. She didn't want to be in unnecessary trouble. She can't stay at the house to look after Nino, nor she can take her to travel with her. And remember she pointed the wand at chief first, which frightened him a bit. She could have attacked him, but she played safe, which I believe any normal human would do. |
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| going to have to agree with the OP here at lest as far as Elaina's character is concerned Elaina isn't being pragmatic for example that people keep trying to use. Kino form kino no tabi TOPPLED AN ENTIRE KINGDOM because the asshole of a king killed some one kino tired to help. kino is pragmatic and even she didn't stand for that shit. Elaina is just a self centered b*tch. in the LN it's been already shown that shes willing to scam others out of things and cause harm as long as it benefits herself. That's fine there are plenty of series where the main character isn't the good guy, but it's laughable when people try to deflect valid criticism on that character |
GrimAtramentOct 16, 2020 3:32 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
ShoupyDoo said: Episode 3 was a train wreck of an episode and for the series direction-wise (imo) That's my opinion too. Too much stuff compacted in just 1 episode. They had to cut corners and the stories became a mess. The first story had just 7m16s running time, not enough. And for the 2nd we get the feeling something is not being told. Also we need to know something about a possible code of laws for Witches to understand the apathy of Elaina. Is there one? |
| Reading OP and the posts that agree with him, I honestly had trouble not facepalming in the process. It's like some of you guys think that fixing the world is as easy as "beating up the bad guy and freeing up the princess". What do you think would have happened, exactly, if Elaina had beaten up the village chief and/or freed the enslaved girl? She was from a faraway country, had nowhere to go and definitely didn't look like somebody who could look after themselves in the process. You know, I've always been a pretty "righteous" person myself. I always believed in justice and studied philosophy at college, specializing in political philosophy and going all the way to college. The thing is, though, that while I still believe in having a duty to live a honest and fair life, I also grew up to understand that you can't fix everything wrong around you. Because sometimes, even when you have the power to intervene, you still don't have the power to fix since you're not equipped with the power, the knowledge or even merely the position to handle the consequences. Elaina might be a witch of considerable power, but she's not a godlike entity of some kind. She lives in a world with people of her same power and stature (or even higher) exists, and she's prolly not out there to become some kind of vindicator, Marvel-style. She's proven, again and again, that if/when she has the ability to intervene and help people, she will - often with little to no compensation for her efforts. However (much like any other human being) she'll refrain from intervening in matters way above her station. And traveling around the globe means, first and foremost, having to come to terms with the fact that the world isn't how you wish it would be and is too complicated for you or anybody to fix at the snap of a finger. Maybe the problem with some of you is not that Elaina isn't a heroine, but that you could use more stories like this to grow out of your own "hero syndrome". Thankfully there's plenty of stories like that, if you look hard enough. |
| I don't agree this show to be appailing but the op have a right to view Elaina characters as like that . So stop attacking he/she if you didn't agree with this post. |
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| The fact that this episode provoked so much discussion is proof that it was effective, at least in a way. I tend to agree with the author of the post, but I will have to think about it better to be sure if I see Elaina this way or not. The fact is, this episode is problematic. Regardless of the "side" on which to observe this (whether against or in favor of Elaina's apathy), it is problematic. |
| "If someone says it's wrong to hope, I'll tell them they're wrong every single time." |
| If you save someone, but your action ends making things way worst to every other person in that indesirable condition, what you did could still be considered a "good action"? Good intentions alone doesn't mean good results, well planned and thought actions, by the other hand, does. Imo this show message is that the world is a place way more complicated than what you see. The rich boy that loved Nino was full of good intentions, but not thinking about every other thing around her made his good intentions and actions, possibly, to result in a disaster. Elaina were not presented to the politics systems of that country, doing something out of pure feelings could just make things worst. Maybe she could save that girl, but if her action resulted in a harsher slavery system to every other slave in that country, she would still be considered a good person? Good intentions doesn't make you a good person if you're abrupt and inconsequent. Yeah Elaina is a narcisist when it comes to her powers and talent, but she never showed the minimal intent to be seen as a good person, a hero of justice. She just accepts that she has her limits when it comes to her involvement with the world, and that acting in certain situations could just make things worsen, it alone doesn't make her a bad person, just a realistic one. This episode showed that she has feelings, but that she can control it when her acting could make things worst, just it. |
| I haven’t read a troll bait post in a while, thanks for the laugh. |
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Nobita-X said: Exactly, because some users here seem to think her just blatantly ignoring inevitable suicides and causing a whole village to possibly die is not sociopathic because "observing things and traveling does not mean you should help anybody in need."ShoupyDoo said: Episode 3 was a train wreck of an episode and for the series direction-wise (imo) That's my opinion too. Too much stuff compacted in just 1 episode. They had to cut corners and the stories became a mess. The first story had just 7m16s running time, not enough. And for the 2nd we get the feeling something is not being told. Also we need to know something about a possible code of laws for Witches to understand the apathy of Elaina. Is there one? If that was the case, Kino would've never helped anybody. The show has also not tried to make it clear that she is narcissistic so it makes the author seems oblivious and bad at writing so far. |
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| The second I finished watching the episode, I was expecting someone triggered make a post about it and bashing Elaina. And voila!! Oh boy, you NEVER disappoint me internet. |
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| I don't really like Elaina's... can't think of better phrasing, but almost pointless observer role? All she does is go to places and... be there. To me, it's just a really boring show and Elaina's neutrality toward every situation can come off as uncaring. Like... Why did she even become a witch? All she does is fly to a different town every day, and there aren't even misadventures and she isn't building toward any sort of goal. It would help if the stories surrounding Elaina or the places she visited were at all interesting, but they really aren't. Also, we never learned anything of Elaina's hometown/country at all. So we don't even know how these new places differ from what her own country is like or her own values/experiences. The world building is extremely shallow for a show about travelling the world. |
PrincessJAM said: The new Anime tended to only show the arcs where Kino intervened. In a lot of arcs in the Light Novel and even in the old Anime she was kind of a bystander just seeing stuff play out or maybe hearing about it from some side character while not getting diretly involved.UncleJojo said: but the other difference is that kino tried to help people that needed help not just ignored them well to each their own. If you don’t like Elaina’s character that’s fine. People have their own views on her either it be positive or negative. Just think it this series as Kino’s Journey but with magic. Same goes for Elaina in this show. She might help in some places later but as for now she is just a bystander hazarddex said: Another case where the Kino Comparassion falls flat.going to have to agree with the OP here at lest as far as Elaina's character is concerned Elaina isn't being pragmatic for example that people keep trying to use. Kino form kino no tabi TOPPLED AN ENTIRE KINGDOM because the asshole of a king killed some one kino tired to help. kino is pragmatic and even she didn't stand for that shit. Elaina is just a self centered b*tch. in the LN it's been already shown that shes willing to scam others out of things and cause harm as long as it benefits herself. That's fine there are plenty of series where the main character isn't the good guy, but it's laughable when people try to deflect valid criticism on that character In Kino no Tabi we often see Kino practicing so that she can always be prepared with her gun out if stuff goes wrong. With Elaina we know she is a powerful Witch but most of her talent is natural and the only time she trained was with the stardust witch in ep1 just to be able to be called a witch herself. She has the ability to help but she doesn't know how to help (And neither would any of us faced in so dark of a situation) |
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kazuma-sama said: She understand that she will encounter many people in terrible fate, but she also understands that she can't save them all, neighter is her job to save them all. That kid, the salve, if she saved her, what would it do? The kid was a slave, nobody in that village would take care of her, Elaina herself would have to take care of the kid? Don't you think it would be also bad to just leave her in another town? abbandon her again? If the kid end up in the streets or as another slave, wouldn't Elaina be responsible for that too? Well, these points that you raise in defense of the character are not necessarily based on something that the anime says or shows. At no time is Elaina shown rationalizing this issue and deciding not to interfere because she is just an observer or because of any possible consequences of such interference. The anime does not even previously establish that Elaina would embark on such a journey with this mentality of someone who watches without interfering (even though it had two episodes before this one to do so), nor does it establish that non-interference is the best option for her, because of this or that. The anime is lacking this explanation and people are filling this gap with their own opinions/interpretations/deductions as if the anime has given enough evidence to confirm those opinions/interpretations/deductions. It hasn't. The reasons for her not to interfere may be exactly the ones you said, but if the anime didn't confirm any of that, then it's just speculation. The anime should have explained this clearly so that the character would not be misunderstood, but it failed in this respect and it is probably because of this that this heated discussion started in the first place. |
| "If someone says it's wrong to hope, I'll tell them they're wrong every single time." |
| I agree wholeheartedly that Elaina is a terrible person. The real question is if the narrative acknowledges this or not. Do you think the narrative frames Elaina as a good or bad person? Personally I am dropping the show. I can't watch something with a protagonist this shitty. |
cureemOct 16, 2020 7:28 PM
Zarator said: Pretty much this (minus the self masturbation stuff in third paragraph cuz im not a philosophy graduate but just a normal human)... Reading OP and the posts that agree with him, I honestly had trouble not facepalming in the process. It's like some of you guys think that fixing the world is as easy as "beating up the bad guy and freeing up the princess". What do you think would have happened, exactly, if Elaina had beaten up the village chief and/or freed the enslaved girl? She was from a faraway country, had nowhere to go and definitely didn't look like somebody who could look after themselves in the process. You know, I've always been a pretty "righteous" person myself. I always believed in justice and studied philosophy at college, specializing in political philosophy and going all the way to college. The thing is, though, that while I still believe in having a duty to live a honest and fair life, I also grew up to understand that you can't fix everything wrong around you. Because sometimes, even when you have the power to intervene, you still don't have the power to fix since you're not equipped with the power, the knowledge or even merely the position to handle the consequences. Elaina might be a witch of considerable power, but she's not a godlike entity of some kind. She lives in a world with people of her same power and stature (or even higher) exists, and she's prolly not out there to become some kind of vindicator, Marvel-style. She's proven, again and again, that if/when she has the ability to intervene and help people, she will - often with little to no compensation for her efforts. However (much like any other human being) she'll refrain from intervening in matters way above her station. And traveling around the globe means, first and foremost, having to come to terms with the fact that the world isn't how you wish it would be and is too complicated for you or anybody to fix at the snap of a finger. Maybe the problem with some of you is not that Elaina isn't a heroine, but that you could use more stories like this to grow out of your own "hero syndrome". Thankfully there's plenty of stories like that, if you look hard enough. As Zar-Sama and many others before mentioned, what would you think happen if she saved her or even before that how would the process even go... She blast some people in the village and possibly kill them, then try to ran away while protecting someone to god knows where possibly get chased by authorities because she potentially committed a crime according to that world's laws. She can't return to her home because that would danger her parents, she puts herself in extreme danger and possibly the person she saved because if she gets caught it will put both of them in an even worse position... So yeah you want a young girl who promised her parents she would never play the hero and put herself in danger and make sure she returns home in one piece to suddenly become a murderer and an outlaw... MAL threads never fail to amaze me... |
LoneWizzyOct 16, 2020 7:39 PM
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| Okay, maybe you'll crucify me for this, but let me say something: perhaps it was the best thing she did, because there was nothing she could do. The boy were already helping her, and maybe, for her, it was enough. Also, there was the chief. If he ever knew that the girl was trying to live happily by avoiding her duties, she'd be dead. So the boy. So Elaina herself. Maybe. For now, let's focus on the message: when somebody is sad and at the end of the line, don't tell them "hey, other people are happy! See? You can be happy too!", show them a reason to smile by themselves. Then, the fault is on the boy too. He could take her for a walk or having a nice and peaceful conversation. Anything that could say "hey, I'm here". sorry for bad english tho |
niko_sbOct 16, 2020 8:36 PM
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| Imo the more flawed and immoral a character can be, the more their development can hit you. I like how this show was set up, how Elaina is doing the things her mother told her not to be. I also like the direction its taking, I'm expecting great development from Elaina as her journey continues. |
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Zeryphalix said: Imo the more flawed and immoral a character can be, the more their development can hit you. I like how this show was set up, how Elaina is doing the things her mother told her not to be. I also like the direction its taking, I'm expecting great development from Elaina as her journey continues. but she doesn't develop which is kind of the problem.... AccessDenied3011 said: I like her she is like shinji ikari in a woman person. so your saying shes poorly designed and poorly writen? because that's Shinji ikari. |
GrimAtramentOct 16, 2020 9:02 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
apbooyah said: still prefer her to the characters that try too hard to be heroes but in the end it blows up in their face Yeah its different, its messed up but like the dark tone of the story. |
hazarddex said: Can I assume that you have read the novels then?Zeryphalix said: Imo the more flawed and immoral a character can be, the more their development can hit you. I like how this show was set up, how Elaina is doing the things her mother told her not to be. I also like the direction its taking, I'm expecting great development from Elaina as her journey continues. but she doesn't develop which is kind of the problem.... AccessDenied3011 said: I like her she is like shinji ikari in a woman person. so your saying shes poorly designed and poorly writen? because that's Shinji ikari. |
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UncleJojo said: splitshocker said: That could happen. Only the first two volumes of the LN were licensed and translated in English so far, and volume three comes out in English this November. Plus the series has been going on for 16 volumes so it’s only up to our imaginations on what’s gonna happen nextI know that. But I wonder if later in the series there would be a situation that would made her say something like "I'm sorry, Mother. I can't keep my promise to you." But then, I was a victim of one. When once I tried to help, it made the situation worse. So right now I'd try to stay away from trouble. I hope we get translations for all 16 volumes at some point. Only first 3 volumes are fully translated so far and my patience can wear thin easily like my patience with the idiocy of where this thread was heading to. |
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Zeryphalix said: hazarddex said: Can I assume that you have read the novels then?but she doesn't develop which is kind of the problem.... so your saying shes poorly designed and poorly writen? because that's Shinji ikari. yes i have up to a point, but i eventually got board of it it was recommended me a while back because people claimed it was like kino no tabi. (no, no it's not.) |
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