After watching Plunderer, i now understand the core appeal of power fantasy

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epidemia78 said:
I understand the appeal but I don't think I've ever seen it done really well. Goblin Slayer was decent at it. How Not to Summon a Demon Lord was also ok mainly because of the MC's relatable inner monologues. Shield Hero did it wrong wrong wrong.

Shield hero is a good anime for the isekai standard, but its execution was so bad, it made the mc likable by making everyone else deserved to be hated

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Mar 12, 2020 8:11 AM

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SamTHK said:

epidemia78 said:
I understand the appeal but I don't think I've ever seen it done really well. Goblin Slayer was decent at it. How Not to Summon a Demon Lord was also ok mainly because of the MC's relatable inner monologues. Shield Hero did it wrong wrong wrong.

Shield hero is a good anime for the isekai standard, but its execution was so bad, it made the mc likable by making everyone else deserved to be hated

Making literally everyone who is not the MC or part of the harem a piece of shit is the wrong way to pander to my fragile male ego

Mar 12, 2020 8:12 AM

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epidemia78 said:

SamTHK said:

Shield hero is a good anime for the isekai standard, but its execution was so bad, it made the mc likable by making everyone else deserved to be hated

Making literally everyone who is not the MC or part of the harem a piece of shit is the wrong way to pander to my fragile male ego

I am also really offended of how they did it

SAO is the most underrated overrated anime

Mar 12, 2020 8:14 AM

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SamTHK said:

epidemia78 said:

Making literally everyone who is not the MC or part of the harem a piece of shit is the wrong way to pander to my fragile male ego

I am also really offended of how they did it

Insulting to the intelligence of the viewer it is

Mar 12, 2020 8:15 AM

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I respect your opinion my friend, but is it really a typical harem if the mc views both filo and raphtalia as daughters? A lot of harems either have the MC be too dumb to figure it out or too nervous to do jack. Here its kinda different.

Mar 12, 2020 8:19 AM

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I respect your opinion my friend, but is it really a typical harem if the mc views both filo and raphtalia as daughters? A lot of harems either have the MC be too dumb to figure it out or too nervous to do jack. Here its kinda different.

It's still a power fantasy and a girl collect-a-thon.

Mar 12, 2020 8:20 AM

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Ohber12 said:
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I respect your opinion my friend, but is it really a typical harem if the mc views both filo and raphtalia as daughters? A lot of harems either have the MC be too dumb to figure it out or too nervous to do jack. Here its kinda different.

The persecuted victim perpetually angry revenge obsessed Shield Hero literally uses torture to train his "daughter" into submission and uses her as a tool.

She projects OBVIOUS romantic interest towards this piece of shit but he's too angry to notice.

Mar 12, 2020 8:23 AM

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SamTHK said:

epidemia78 said:
I understand the appeal but I don't think I've ever seen it done really well. Goblin Slayer was decent at it. How Not to Summon a Demon Lord was also ok mainly because of the MC's relatable inner monologues. Shield Hero did it wrong wrong wrong.

Shield hero is a good anime for the isekai standard, but its execution was so bad, it made the mc likable by making everyone else deserved to be hated

shield heroo is one of the worst even amongst the isekais lol

Mar 12, 2020 8:23 AM

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To be fair, he has a legit reason to be angry, and hes not really obsessed with revenge like you say. He just cares about beating the waves and going home. Also, the slave crest thing was literally just him at his low point and he never really hurts her with it again after episode 4.
Btw, more people like naofumi outside of his so called harem. Blacksmith bro for one, the queen for another, and some others but I'd be going into novel spoiler territory.

Mar 12, 2020 8:27 AM

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To be fair, he has a legit reason to be angry, and hes not really obsessed with revenge like you say. He just cares about beating the waves and going home. Also, the slave crest thing was literally just him at his low point and he never really hurts her with it again after episode 4.
Btw, more people like naofumi outside of his so called harem. Blacksmith bro for one, the queen for another, and some others but I'd be going into novel spoiler territory.

LOL who has a more legitimate reason to be angry? Incel Hero who was accused of something he didnt' do or Raphtalia whos parents were murdered, sold into slavery and tortured by a pathetic piece of shit?

That's why Shield Hero fails as a power fantasy. I just cannot identify with that piece of shit MC

Mar 12, 2020 8:29 AM

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It's not really trying to portray itself as a power fantasy, I dont think many would want to be in the MCs situation where everyone outside of like a small bit of people hate his guts for just being what he is.

Also, the show isn't TRYING to make you identify with him. It shows very clearly that all his actions he takes are not actions one should imitate.

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epidemia78 said:

Ohber12 said:
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To be fair, he has a legit reason to be angry, and hes not really obsessed with revenge like you say. He just cares about beating the waves and going home. Also, the slave crest thing was literally just him at his low point and he never really hurts her with it again after episode 4.
Btw, more people like naofumi outside of his so called harem. Blacksmith bro for one, the queen for another, and some others but I'd be going into novel spoiler territory.

LOL who has a more legitimate reason to be angry? Incel Hero who was accused of something he didnt' do or Raphtalia whos parents were murdered, sold into slavery and tortured by a pathetic piece of shit?

That's why Shield Hero fails as a power fantasy. I just cannot identify with that piece of shit MC

It actually success as being a power fantasy, it is interesting to watch him took revenge though why he did it is shit

SAO is the most underrated overrated anime

Mar 12, 2020 8:45 AM

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Ohber12 said:
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It's not really trying to portray itself as a power fantasy, I dont think many would want to be in the MCs situation where everyone outside of like a small bit of people hate his guts for just being what he is.

Also, the show isn't TRYING to make you identify with him. It shows very clearly that all his actions he takes are not actions one should imitate.

Boring nobody from the real world gets transported into fantasy realm with OP abilities and a submissive loli harem. How is this not a power fantasy?

And the show never once implies that what he's doing is wrong. Quite the opposite. Everything he does is justified.

Mar 12, 2020 8:48 AM

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So a show has to literally state or shove it in your face what he is doing is wrong?

I thought it was obvious to the normal person that the actions he takes are scummy. The only ones who justify it are scummy people like the slave trader and a merchant or two.

Again, like I said, no one wants to be accused of something so horrible the moment they get transported and have literally almost everyone hate them. What kind of person wants that in their power fantasy.

Also no shit no one does its called anime.

Mar 12, 2020 8:49 AM

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SamTHK said:

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LOL who has a more legitimate reason to be angry? Incel Hero who was accused of something he didnt' do or Raphtalia whos parents were murdered, sold into slavery and tortured by a pathetic piece of shit?

That's why Shield Hero fails as a power fantasy. I just cannot identify with that piece of shit MC

It actually success as being a power fantasy, it is interesting to watch him took revenge though why he did it is shit

Just because you find his quest for petty revenge interesting doesn't mean it succeeds as a power fantasy. Maybe you fantasize about getting revenge on everyone who wronged you but that's not me. It's not a healthy mindset.

Mar 12, 2020 8:56 AM

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epidemia78 said:

SamTHK said:

It actually success as being a power fantasy, it is interesting to watch him took revenge though why he did it is shit

Just because you find his quest for petty revenge interesting doesn't mean it succeeds as a power fantasy. Maybe you fantasize about getting revenge on everyone who wronged you but that's not me. It's not a healthy mindset.

It’s a TV show. I don’t like people fighting and killing each other IRL, but that doesn’t mean I can’t watch it in a made up, fake world?

Mar 12, 2020 8:59 AM

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You want to correct your title - you now understand the appeal of "quality power fantasy" not just "power fantasy" which implies any is fine.

Re:formed

Mar 12, 2020 9:11 AM

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epidemia78 said:

Just because you find his quest for petty revenge interesting doesn't mean it succeeds as a power fantasy. Maybe you fantasize about getting revenge on everyone who wronged you but that's not me. It's not a healthy mindset.

It’s a TV show. I don’t like people fighting and killing each other IRL, but that doesn’t mean I can’t watch it in a made up, fake world?

I didn't say you can't watch it. I'm just saying it's a terrible show undeserving of its popularity.

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epidemia78 said:

BlakexEkalb said:

It’s a TV show. I don’t like people fighting and killing each other IRL, but that doesn’t mean I can’t watch it in a made up, fake world?

I didn't say you can't watch it. I'm just saying it's a terrible show undeserving of its popularity.

I agree, it was a big let down after episode 3 onward.

Mar 12, 2020 9:26 AM

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It kinda depends, I mean if the power fantasy is self aware then it's good. That's what I liked about How not to Summon a Demon Lord the main problem about that show (and probably the series in general cause I read both the manga and LN) is that it took itself more seriously than it needed to. If was just a blanant ecchi/comedy with him having a power fantasy harem it would be great. But with stuff like Shield Hero it just doesn't make sense they force us to pity the main character by making everyone else that's not part of the harem generic bad guys.

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I don't think fantasy as a whole are appealing because of the MCs. It is appealing because it gives you something which you don't see every day. Many times there aren't limits and even if they are, they are much limited than in our everyday life. Same with Sci-fiction.

And like every genre, it can be good or bad.

Mar 13, 2020 9:29 PM

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Well, as a 19 year old Continental Philosophy major, I only appreciate good entertainment. Therefore, I dislike power fantasies. I am a connoisseur, not one of these superficial degenerates who uses anime to compensate for their lack of success in life. I like artsy stuff that communicates deep, philosophical themes. I like only the most complex, realistic characters. I have no time for this escapist, consumerist garbage. It's beneath me. I suggest those who enjoy them to read some of Kant's works.

Also, I suck dick in my spare time but I try to tell everybody that I'm straight because I'm deeply insecure about my sexuality. My cousin has 7 nipples and ended up in a mental institution and I have webbed toes on one foot. But that's a secret.

I'm sorry. I've said too much. Sometimes I get like this. I really, really want to maintain an air of sophistication but it's difficult for me to do so because I worry I don't really understand what it means to have a fleshed-out personality. I just want to have friends and fit in, but also reach the position of being the dominant person in the room at all times. I do not wish to workout and so I can't do that through strength, and because I am only 171cm I am too short too look good with much muscle mass anyway. So I must attempt to do it through appearing well-read and introspective.

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epidemia78 said:

Ohber12 said:
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To be fair, he has a legit reason to be angry, and hes not really obsessed with revenge like you say. He just cares about beating the waves and going home. Also, the slave crest thing was literally just him at his low point and he never really hurts her with it again after episode 4.
Btw, more people like naofumi outside of his so called harem. Blacksmith bro for one, the queen for another, and some others but I'd be going into novel spoiler territory.

LOL who has a more legitimate reason to be angry? Incel Hero who was accused of something he didnt' do or Raphtalia whos parents were murdered, sold into slavery and tortured by a pathetic piece of shit?

That's why Shield Hero fails as a power fantasy. I just cannot identify with that piece of shit MC

Isn't the reason you hated that anime is because of your #BelieveAllWoman?

Mar 13, 2020 9:42 PM

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Malty's tits were amazing and so she was best girl.

That is all. Carry on.

Mar 13, 2020 9:50 PM

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Power fantasy done wrong: disgusting average guy with OP abilities collecting harem of waifus in a RPG world

Good power fantasy: cute girl using her special powers or unique knowledge to simply have fun and enjoy life or help improve the lives of those around them

This thread is not about good power fantasy just what make people watch bad power fantasy

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Mar 14, 2020 5:24 AM

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Kayle_x_Morgana said:

epidemia78 said:

LOL who has a more legitimate reason to be angry? Incel Hero who was accused of something he didnt' do or Raphtalia whos parents were murdered, sold into slavery and tortured by a pathetic piece of shit?

That's why Shield Hero fails as a power fantasy. I just cannot identify with that piece of shit MC

Isn't the reason you hated that anime is because of your #BelieveAllWoman?

Nah it would suck ass even worse without the false rape accusation plot.

Mar 14, 2020 8:02 AM

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Malty's tits were amazing and so she was best girl.

That is all. Carry on.

This is the unspoiled flavor that toriko is looking for.

Inb4 spelunky the animation.

Mar 15, 2020 11:40 AM

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epidemia78 said:

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I am also really offended of how they did it

Insulting to the intelligence of the viewer it is

What did they do? I recall the MC being accused of rape, but that's it. I got bored and dropped the show.

Mar 15, 2020 11:51 AM

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