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alshu said: Really, in which way am I arrogant? Where I said that am better by default than someone here? I am as good as my arguments...and I admit that I am bad at expressing them because my english is bad. Calal-Chan said: Maybe I should restart from scratch too? OK. Calal-Chan said: I think the reason people debate with you as they do is that you clearly don't respect the person you are talking too. - But this is new? How is that starting from scratch? We were never at that point. - In which way I am disrespecting people? Simply by disagreeing and trying to put some arguments against? I never called someone names or implied that every opinion by that person is automatically invalid for some reason. Calal-Chan said: All I literally stated is that it was subjective and that all forms of art. I never disagreed on that. Calal-Chan said: Which means I was clearly agreeing that scenery porn isn't just a today thing. Yeah, but you said that it's both fault. How is that, when you agree on my point? Isn't it like Chiibi avoiding this theme on purpose and pretend to misunderstand me, partially ignoring things that I have wrote? Also implying that I hate CG and that I am somehow against all modern anime and technical advantages. Giving links to Photoshop lessons...to person who knows things or two about it and Illustrator. What I am saying is that Chiibi assumed a lot or maybe projected some other user on me. How is defending my thesis a form of arrogance than? Pfff I don't know what you mean dude. Maybe I should just repeat myself again so you can finally understand what I mean. I was literally saying what you were saying because it sounded arrogant and like you new better than absolutely everyone by taking what they said out of context. I never said you were both at "fault". I literally just stated that you guys were arguing a moot point that was subjective and it is. Scenery porn isn't one straight definition meaning depending on either of your viewpoints it could be seen differently. I also wasn't referencing the entire thing, but instead of trying to understand why I said that you nitpick the fudge out of it and try to dissect it and add a ton of stuff I didn't even say. I said, one sentence dude. Literally saying I was missing the point hence why I said the exact same thing back to you. Which caused you to be even more defensive. And don't say you said more than one you said I was being arrogant. Because I am referring to my original post. The arrogance mostly came from the pffff. Like who actually writes that consciously? PFFFFFFF!!!! If you can't see how bending what someone is saying to try and force your argument can come off as arrogant than I guess I just don't understand anything anymore. I guess we have officially derailed the thread. So my bad lol. |
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alshu said: They were only a demonstration that scenery porn is not a recent thing also that it can be done with simplistic art not necessary with traced photos. Maybe I should repeat everting from the top? Pfff. Where the f*ck do you keep getting this 'traced photos' thing from? I've asked you about this like three times already and am still waiting for an answer. I looked all over the internet. Shinkai does not "trace photos"; you are clearly making that up. You claim that OTHER anime artists do it as well so....I'd like to know where you get THAT information from? Anyway, modern anime has better scenery porn than older ones and it's certainly becoming more abundant. That was my whole point and that's something I really like about modern shows. No, scenery porn cannot be done with minimalistic art. The whole meaning changes then. None of the examples on TV tropes use that type of art...so I don't know why you think you can just make up a definition on your own. Absolutely NOBODY would agree that the examples you posted of the birds and snowy stuff are "scenery porn." In fact, I challenge you to find SOMEONE who does. THESE are scenery porn examples, ok: I wouldn't call scenery porn subjective because with each of these examples, you can easily tell the artists are going out of their way to make the backgrounds look beautiful and/or very detailed. 'Beauty' is subjective...but 'detailed'...not so much. Still, I don't think many would argue that any of these shots "are not beautiful". |
ChiibiFeb 16, 2020 11:21 PM
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Calal-Chan said: I was literally saying what you were saying because it sounded arrogant and like you new better than absolutely everyone by taking what they said out of context. How is being arrogant when your opponents come with counterarguments that doesn't actually go against what you saying but against what they assume you think but don't say and you explaining to them that they are miss your point? Calal-Chan said: you nitpick the fudge out of it and try to dissect This is what discussion is. Calal-Chan said: it and add a ton of stuff I didn't even say. Can you quote me when I did that? Calal-Chan said: And don't say you said more than one you said I was being arrogant. I said that you are arrogant? When? Calal-Chan said: The arrogance mostly came from the pffff. Like who actually writes that consciously? PFFFFFFF!!!! The "pfff" was frustration about me repeating one and the same several times and having very different reactions from what I expected. Calal-Chan said: If you can't see how bending what someone is saying to try and force your argument can come off as arrogant I bended what? |
| The availability is probably top of my list. The fact I got Yuri on Ice bedding for a queen size bed when getting something like that was usually only relegated to children’s anime and twin size beds only or small fleeces. I also like just knowing what is down the pipeline too. And knowing it will be translated very quickly after release, something which wasn’t a thing until after Crunchyroll going legal... and only after they really got rolling. Never before have I had this sense of security that the anime I want to watch will be available somewhere... and not 10 translations of Clannad and no translations or half translations of anything else. Oh and as much as people glorify fan translations... god I do not miss the in jokes and the %#*^? <- not knowing what was said translations. “All according to the keikaku” can only be funny so many times... and often GIANT watermarks by the fan translation team. It really is the best thing. Oooooh and dance numbers are only growing in ease and fluidity (cgi). Perfect Blue’s dance sequence is beautiful but it was a rare treat. |
Energetic-NovaFeb 17, 2020 1:05 AM
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Every freaking anime nowadays which is based in reality is using traced photos - it speeds out the process tremendously. Also some artists use Google Earth and available blueprints for buildings for 3D CGI scnenes. Chiibi said: I've asked you about this like three times already and am still waiting for an answer. I looked all over the internet. Or maybe you meant Shinkai? Totally random example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Garden_of_Words Shinkai made half of the film's backgrounds by using his photographs as a base and then drawing over the top with Adobe Photoshop, while the other half were fictional settings created with traditional animation and computer graphics.[21] which has this link - https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2013/anime-expo/27 For Garden of Words, it only took six months, which is a relatively short time. First, I did location scouting. This story takes place in Shinjuku, so I walked around Shinjuku and took thousands of pictures. Based on the pictures I took, I made storyboards, and then the actual production started. Regarding Garden of Words, half of the backgrounds are based on the pictures, which I used Photoshop for. I didn't use Photoshop to actually modify the picture; I use the pictures as a base, and I override everything. The other half is a fictional setting, so it's based on 3D computer graphics or hand drawings just like any other animation. It's a pretty standard animation practice. Chiibi said: Anyway, modern anime has better scenery porn than older ones Now that's subjective. I am more versed to think that this is more bound to artist's vision and skills not technical advancement. Chiibi said: and it's certainly becoming more abundant. Maybe you have the right impression but from my experience historically speaking scenery porn's amount is around the same. I remember encountering it in 80 and 90 OVA and movies. All the TV projects of World Masterpiece Theater (1969-2009) are heavy on that. All the big anime directors like Otomo, Takahata, Kon, Oshii ect love to use it. Chiibi said: No, scenery porn cannot be done with minimalistic art. And I showed some also quoted newer titles that have exactly that. Chiibi said: so I don't know why you think you can just make up a definition on your own. Or maybe you are taking this definition too literally? Chiibi said: Absolutely NOBODY would agree that the examples you posted of the birds and snowy stuff are "scenery porn." In fact, I challenge you to find SOMEONE who does. This is more like me being bad at finding examples, than me being wrong. Yes they are but those don't cancel automatically my concept. Chiibi said: I wouldn't call scenery porn subjective because with each of these examples, you can easily tell the artists are going out of their way to make the backgrounds look beautiful and/or very detailed. 'Beauty' is subjective...but 'detailed'...not so much. Still, I don't think many would argue that any of these shots "are not beautiful". 1. The subjectiveness is that you wouldn't like my examples...which doesn't make them non-scenery porn. 2. I don't think that the skies in the first and the third are so hard to create (I used some sky simulating programs, like tools for assisting astronomical observations and they totally could pull that), and the 3D CGI flowers in the last look a bit clunky. So not "out of their way" in every case. 3. But you don't always need high details to show beauty. 4. And "not beautiful" was never my argument. |
alshuFeb 17, 2020 1:07 AM
| this topic has been up for a while now, and I kept thinking for DAYS. almost came up empty handed, but I found two good things. 1. the way information and story is fed to the viewer got a lot faster than it was 20ish years ago. I think this has more to do with the LN adaptations ruling the market than people having a need for word diarrhea. it simply has to be done this way or the story would go nowhere. I prefer this, over characters staring at eachother for half a minute before saying something dramatic. 2. simulcast. I much prefer fansubs over the rushed mistranslated text, but there's a good balance here. speedsubs over having to wait 2 whole weeks for a new episode after it aired. I remember 2013. And that's the end of it. I don't think a single studio is using their digital tools properly except for shaft and ufotable. it's ALL about saving time and effort these days instead of creating spectacle. Anime in general really lacks originality and variety now. Back in the 80s and 90s everyone was crazy about trying to estabilish their own distinct franchise, now it's all the same medieval fantasy isekai with an op gimmick and harems made of the same archetypes. Before that, it was all battle school harems. Blank selfinsert mcs are way, waaaay to common. What's the point of having 100+ anime airing every season instead of 20, when it's all the same? We still have about the same amount of enjoyable shows as before, just with 5 times more badly drawn uninteresting anime I wouldn't even call filler if they were insterted into any decent show. |
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| @alshu: Since you said your English is bad, I'm not surprised you fail to understand the definition of "porn" in this sense. This is like talking to a brick wall. The subjectiveness is that you wouldn't like my examples...which doesn't make them non-scenery porn. Wow, you are stubborn as hell. They are just "scenery". The 'porn' concept is totally absent from them. If you can't use your eyes to see and understand WHY it's absent...I just....lol I can't with you. I cannot help you. So using photographs as just a base while spending thousands of hours painting on top of them isn't "art" to you? 2. I don't think that the skies in the first and the third are so hard to create Not the f*cking point. They are meant to look pretty and that's why they're scenery porn. How it's created or how much skill it takes has NOTHING to do with it; it's the overall presentation. It's meant to 'wow' the viewer just through how it looks. Just like how 'food porn' makes you wish you could eat the food being shown, 'scenery porn' makes you wish you were there. |
ChiibiFeb 17, 2020 9:48 AM
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And you are not? Chiibi said: They are just "scenery". The 'porn' concept is totally absent from them. But the scenery I posted was unessential to the plot and looks good from my perspective. Chiibi said: If you can't use your eyes to see and understand WHY it's absent So the objective criterium is you like it or not...naaah! Chiibi said: I cannot help you. Ohhh, you wanted to help me? Chiibi said: So using photographs as just a base while spending thousands of hours painting on top of them isn't "art" to you? - It is art. - That was a different point about amount of creative input. Chiibi said: Not the f*cking point. They are meant to look pretty and that's why they're scenery porn. How it's created or how much skill it takes has NOTHING to do with it; it's the overall presentation. It's meant to 'wow' the viewer just through how it looks. But I confirmed this being scenery porn, you are kind of shifting the theme (yet again). This was a counterargument to something else your said - "out of their way to make the backgrounds look beautiful". And since this type of shot is used so frequently I can even speculate that this is some sort of low effort composition that is used for padding the story. Chiibi said: Just like how 'food porn' makes you wish you could eat the food being shown, 'scenery porn' makes you wish you were there. And this highly depends on what types of food you like and what food aesthetics are at work. For example americans like their cakes and other sweets coloured in blue, green or cyan but those look like tooth paste or something uneatable to me. So I don't spontaneously want to eat them - still food porn. |
alshuFeb 17, 2020 11:52 AM
| @alshu I concede in trying to explain my specific point because I feel I could write you an essay and you wouldn't understand. Trying to communicate with you is basically just difficult as I think you are replying to me like you are replying to Chiibi when I don't actually agree with his statements at all. My points all were mostly referring to how you treat the person you are debating. To me, it feels like you don't respect the person you are debating them. You don't simply call them stupid but you clearly insinuate it. This is why I was calling you arrogant. Either way, I concede in the way that I clearly will never be able to get my point across. |
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I'm not the one trying to redefine a widely used term here. But the scenery I posted was unessential to the plot and looks good from my perspective. That doesn't make it scenery porn. Like I said, nobody else here would call it that. I shouldn't have to explain why the examples I posted are 'beautiful' and why the ones you posted are not beautiful but kind of dull/creepy. When the landscape evokes horror or despair rather than wonder, it's Scenery Gorn. There you go; your examples fall much closer to 'Scenery Gorn.' https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SceneryGorn And since this type of shot is used so frequently I can even speculate that this is some sort of low effort composition that is used for padding the story. You don't know for SURE that it's "low effort"; you were not there, working on it. Effort amount really doesn't matter; it's about the finished look. When I say "go out of their way", I'm talking about how the director/animators are obviously trying to get the viewer to NOTICE it and be charmed by it. I am not talking about the composition. . For example americans like their cakes and other sweets coloured in blue, green or cyan but those look like tooth paste or something uneatable to me. Where did you hear that? It's widely agreed that green and blue are "the least appetizing colors". I took classes about advertising that teaches such things. Reds and yellows are regarded to be the appetizing colors which is why restaurants constantly use red in their designs. Speaking as an American former cake decorator, I can confirm that the most commonly ordered icing is white or chocolate. But regardless of the type of food you like, you should still be able to RECOGNIZE 'what the show is trying to do'. Same goes for scenery. It's simply a directing technique. Commercials about food and vacation beaches also use it. Maybe it will work on you and maybe it won't...but that's not actually the point. @Calal-Chan I am not a dude. ._. |
ChiibiFeb 17, 2020 1:10 PM
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| The best thing about modern anime is consistency, most shows are actually decent. Being consistent also has a couple of cons, like the art, I feel that most shows use the same generic art and I don't enjoy that. |
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I treat them very badly - I am denying their civil rights and make them work in the mercury mines. Calal-Chan said: You don't simply call them stupid but you clearly insinuate it. I called someone stupid and even worst? Calal-Chan said: This is why I was calling you arrogant. Either way, I concede in the way that I clearly will never be able to get my point across. So your definition of arrogance is disagreeing with you? But I got that in the first time. |
Yeah, you were already using it wrong. Nobody will agree or disagree with you - nobody here cares - this it's my word against yours. Chiibi said: I shouldn't have to explain why the examples I posted are 'beautiful' and why the ones you posted are not beautiful but kind of dull/creepy. And actually it doesn't matter. Chiibi said: When the landscape evokes horror or despair rather than wonder, it's Scenery Gorn. There you go; your examples fall much closer to 'Scenery Gorn.' It's the same thing but seen from different perspective. Chiibi said: You don't know for SURE that it's "low effort"; you were not there, working on it. You too. Chiibi said: [b]Effort amount really doesn't matter; It does for my other point. Chiibi said: it's about the finished look.[/b] When I say "go out of their way", I'm talking about how the director/animators are obviously trying to get the viewer to NOTICE it and be charmed by it. I am not talking about the composition. Naaah. I guess people are that used to this reapeted shot from below that it only provokes yawns. Seen that on hundreds movies and TV shows. Practically every birth cake Chiibi said: Speaking as an American former cake decorator, I can confirm that the most commonly ordered icing is white or chocolate. Oh...this explains the "former". You refused to put what people were asking - blue and green paint. Chiibi said: But regardless of the type of food you like, you should still be able to RECOGNIZE 'what the show is trying to do'. Never saw that outside of anime...and anime food porn is dull...but this is besides the point. |
alshuFeb 17, 2020 3:37 PM
alshu said: I treat them very badly - I am denying their civil rights and make them work in the mercury mines. Calal-Chan said: You don't simply call them stupid but you clearly insinuate it. I called someone stupid and even worst? Calal-Chan said: This is why I was calling you arrogant. Either way, I concede in the way that I clearly will never be able to get my point across. So your definition of arrogance is disagreeing with you? But I got that in the first time. This exact response is why I am no longer really engaging with you on a serious level lol. Also, we don't disagree on the art thing. Do you even pay attention to what you read? Or do you just like to ignore what the person is actually saying? Why am I even bothering lol. Enjoy your day. |
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Calal-Chan said: This exact response is why I am no longer really engaging with you on a serious level lol. Also, we don't disagree on the art thing. Do you even pay attention to what you read? Or do you just like to ignore what the person is actually saying? Why am I even bothering lol. Enjoy your day. Wow, rhetorical questions. If I answer them how will you interpreted that? As some sort of direct insult I guess? |
alshu said: Calal-Chan said: This exact response is why I am no longer really engaging with you on a serious level lol. Also, we don't disagree on the art thing. Do you even pay attention to what you read? Or do you just like to ignore what the person is actually saying? Why am I even bothering lol. Enjoy your day. Wow, rhetorical questions. If I answer them how will you interpreted that? As some sort of direct insult I guess? Okay, let me go by them 1 by 1 then. This is clearly a sarcastic reply ignoring the actual critisim and deflecting it.  This one I can't even comprehend what you are meaning. Unless you just don't understand what insinuating means.  You then proceed to answer what I said with a question avoiding what I said and then answering it for yourself proceeding to not give me a moment to actually respond. Which hilariously enough is more of a rhetorical question then what I did.  It isn't like you have never thrown out rhetorical questions either dude. |
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EcchiGodMamster said: From what I read, most people are saying it has changed, but mainly in animation style and availability. I only see a few saying it hasn't changed. The anime industry has obviously changed dramatically from 1980 to 2020. You didn't have a fraction of the studios, budgets, titles, varying styles, themes, etc... that you do now. You seem to be an old head like me, are you seriously saying anime hasn't changed from the era of 50 releases a year to 350+? im glad to know most people are responding in ways which acknowledge anime really hasn't changed Injenss said: Most villains back then were just evil because the hero needed someone to beat. They were just evil because the script called for it. But, now you have villains like Askeladd, Makishima Shogou and Meruem. Complex villains with sometimes justifiable reasoning for their villainry, which makes the story better. eh... this is probably just cherry picking, i don't think anime villains are much different now lol I didn't cherry pick villains, I just picked whoever came to my head as an example. (I kind of wish I just went with my first mind and focused on animation styles as an example instead of villains, LOL) But, since I did, consider this: Just off of the fact that you have 350 some odd releases a year now, even if you did cherry pick every good or complex villain, just the ones you cherry pick would still outnumber villains from the 80's-90's, simply because there's more villains available due to the huge increase in title releases. And granted, not every anime is going to have an Askeladd level villain, but the overall number of good villains to see today are better than it was in the 80s. But, I'm willing to concede that maybe I'm biased in this regard as I generally don't watch anime with scores below 7.50 anymore, even going back some 10 years on ANN, I would avoid anything not rated at the higher levels. So, perhaps I just see more complex villains, because I don't watch bad anime unless it's overrated. But, the fact that I can even do that, just shows how much the game has changed. When I started, crappy or good, you just had to watch whatever came on TV or what was available at your local video store. |
InjenssFeb 17, 2020 4:37 PM
Injenss said: EcchiGodMamster said: From what I read, most people are saying it has changed, but mainly in animation style and availability. I only see a few saying it hasn't changed. The anime industry has obviously changed dramatically from 1980 to 2020. You didn't have a fraction of the studios, budgets, titles, varying styles, themes, etc... that you do now. You seem to be an old head like me, are you seriously saying anime hasn't changed from the era of 50 releases a year to 350+? im glad to know most people are responding in ways which acknowledge anime really hasn't changed eh... this is probably just cherry picking, i don't think anime villains are much different now lol I didn't cherry pick villains, I just picked whoever came to my head as an example. (I kind of wish I just went with my first mind and focused on animation styles as an example instead of villains, LOL) But, since I did, consider this: Just off of the fact that you have 350 some odd releases a year now, even if you did cherry pick every good or complex villain, just the ones you cherry pick would still outnumber villains from the 80's-90's, simply because there's more villains available due to the huge increase in title releases. And granted, not every anime is going to have an Askeladd level villain, but the overall number of good villains to see today are better than it was in the 80s. But, I'm willing to concede that maybe I'm biased in this regard as I generally don't watch anime with scores below 7.50 anymore, even going back some 10 years on ANN, I would avoid anything not rated at the higher levels. So, perhaps I just see more complex villains, because I don't watch bad anime unless it's overrated. But, the fact that I can even do that, just shows how much the game has changed. When I started, crappy or good, you just had to watch whatever came on TV or what was available at your local video store. artstyle and animation always change as decades pass, i wouldn't count that, anime is still relatively the same, same tropes, same jokes, same plots etc, thats what i meant although if anything its more censored now, which sucks Injenss said: But, I'm willing to concede that maybe I'm biased in this regard as I generally don't watch anime with scores below 7.50 anymore yea i don't think this helps lol ps: i forgot ratels could do that lol |
EcchiGodMamsterFeb 17, 2020 5:04 PM
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Your criticism stated that you feel that I treat people badly. Taking that seriously would be...oooh, now I get it. It would be hilarious...missed opportunity for comedy gold. Sorry about that! I guess it means "You have shit taste in anime and your waifu is the ugliest."? Calal-Chan said: You then proceed to answer what I said with a question avoiding what I said and then answering it for yourself proceeding to not give me a moment to actually respond. But I already know you answer - that I have shit taste in anime and my waifu is the ugliest. This is my thing, I adore rhetorical questions...like giving them, not being at the receiving end. |
EcchiGodMamster said: Keep in mind the original question, what is it that people like about modern anime? So the ever changing artistic styles are something valid to the conversation if people like them. But, still anime has changed in many ways beyond just the art. I'd have to disagree with you that all the storyline tropes are the same. The world was much more conservative, so you didn't see a whole lot of LGBTQ characters in anime like you do now. A lot more animes are darker as a whole to reflect our darkening society. That's happening across all entertainment mediums. The comics, the movies, TV shows, music, everything is getting more morose. That includes anime. When you look at the top 100 anime, how many can you truly say had a clone from previous generations? What about Steins;Gate is like anything from the 1980s? Made In Abyss? The Monogatari Series? Etc... There are no comparisons to many animes from the past for many animes now. Certainly there are some, but the reason the top animes are at the top is generally because they broke some kind of new ground that amazed people. I get the feeling that you might be saying that "Boy saves world", "Overcoming the odds", "Boy meets girl", the foundation of storytelling is the same. (Correct me if I'm wrong) But, I think what's built upon that foundation can change dramatically as the culture changes, thus changing stories, jokes, characters, etc... The jokes must change. Nobody would find a Bob Hope reference joke funny in 2020, you know what I mean? Injenss said: From what I read, most people are saying it has changed, but mainly in animation style and availability. I only see a few saying it hasn't changed. The anime industry has obviously changed dramatically from 1980 to 2020. You didn't have a fraction of the studios, budgets, titles, varying styles, themes, etc... that you do now. You seem to be an old head like me, are you seriously saying anime hasn't changed from the era of 50 releases a year to 350+? I didn't cherry pick villains, I just picked whoever came to my head as an example. (I kind of wish I just went with my first mind and focused on animation styles as an example instead of villains, LOL) But, since I did, consider this: Just off of the fact that you have 350 some odd releases a year now, even if you did cherry pick every good or complex villain, just the ones you cherry pick would still outnumber villains from the 80's-90's, simply because there's more villains available due to the huge increase in title releases. And granted, not every anime is going to have an Askeladd level villain, but the overall number of good villains to see today are better than it was in the 80s. But, I'm willing to concede that maybe I'm biased in this regard as I generally don't watch anime with scores below 7.50 anymore, even going back some 10 years on ANN, I would avoid anything not rated at the higher levels. So, perhaps I just see more complex villains, because I don't watch bad anime unless it's overrated. But, the fact that I can even do that, just shows how much the game has changed. When I started, crappy or good, you just had to watch whatever came on TV or what was available at your local video store. artstyle and animation always change as decades pass, i wouldn't count that, anime is still relatively the same, same tropes, same jokes, same plots etc, thats what i meant although if anything its more censored now, which sucks Injenss said: But, I'm willing to concede that maybe I'm biased in this regard as I generally don't watch anime with scores below 7.50 anymore yea i don't think this helps lol ps: i forgot ratels could do that lol I may be upping the modern gen a bit, because of the amount released, I'm able to just pick what's good and ignore the trash, while back in the day, I watched all the trash, too. But, it's not like I'm putting one era over the others. I just think that the modern era is great, as was the 80's and 90s. And more love should be shown to its good points instead of focusing on it's bad only. (Although, I agree the censorship SUCKS. Just had to put off Interspecies Reviewers for a while because of the censored version. Waiting for uncensored.) PS: I am totally lost with the Ratel, thing. Is this a reference to Killing Bites? (I did watch that one, even though it's sub 7.50.) |
alshu said: Your criticism stated that you feel that I treat people badly. Taking that seriously would be...oooh, now I get it. It would be hilarious...missed opportunity for comedy gold. Sorry about that! I guess it means "You have shit taste in anime and your waifu is the ugliest."? Calal-Chan said: You then proceed to answer what I said with a question avoiding what I said and then answering it for yourself proceeding to not give me a moment to actually respond. But I already know you answer - that I have shit taste in anime and my waifu is the ugliest. This is my thing, I adore rhetorical questions...like giving them, not being at the receiving end. Thank you for proving my point :D :D :D |
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| Personally, I like the pure diversity of shows we get coming out each season. As has already been pointed out the easy accessibility of anime is making it so much more consumer friendly than it used to be. And the high quality of artwork & production means our anime look beautiful today (although there's not many anime that can top Studio Ghibli, but they had excessive quality standards & fps rates for their shots). The only reason I was exposed to some anime when I was younger (late 80's & early 90's) was due to my mates's older brother who travelled a lot & brought home a range of anime video's. Now anybody can access anime with ease. |
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| I like that the animation seems to flow together easier/ looks more fluid than say... animation from around the mid-2000s. Obviously this depends on the budget of the show/ execution, but I guess it's easier now due to technology n such. I don't know if it's because I've gotten older/more aware but I feel like there's just a lot more anime/ interesting niche genres around now... but that could just be me realising there's more out there than shonen jump. |
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| Better pacing on average, most shows are leaner in episodes and divided by multiple seasons, with less filler. Better animation on average, big shows tend to have lots of sakuga, a thing mostly restricted to movies/OVAs in the past. Unique concepts, everything as been done before so they must think outside the box. |
You are welcome! Not sure what it was (me being an arrogant bastard that treats people like garbage?) and how it was proven but I am always glad to help! |
WOW! Nice. What anime is this? Makoto Shinkai work? I really love all the beautiful scene created by modern anime especially the one by Makoto Shinkai.     |
Injenss said: Keep in mind the original question, what is it that people like about modern anime? So the ever changing artistic styles are something valid to the conversation if people like them. But, still anime has changed in many ways beyond just the art. I'd have to disagree with you that all the storyline tropes are the same. The world was much more conservative, so you didn't see a whole lot of LGBTQ characters in anime like you do now. A lot more animes are darker as a whole to reflect our darkening society. That's happening across all entertainment mediums. The comics, the movies, TV shows, music, everything is getting more morose. That includes anime. When you look at the top 100 anime, how many can you truly say had a clone from previous generations? What about Steins;Gate is like anything from the 1980s? Made In Abyss? The Monogatari Series? Etc... There are no comparisons to many animes from the past for many animes now. Certainly there are some, but the reason the top animes are at the top is generally because they broke some kind of new ground that amazed people. I get the feeling that you might be saying that "Boy saves world", "Overcoming the odds", "Boy meets girl", the foundation of storytelling is the same. (Correct me if I'm wrong) But, I think what's built upon that foundation can change dramatically as the culture changes, thus changing stories, jokes, characters, etc... The jokes must change. Nobody would find a Bob Hope reference joke funny in 2020, you know what I mean? I may be upping the modern gen a bit, because of the amount released, I'm able to just pick what's good and ignore the trash, while back in the day, I watched all the trash, too. But, it's not like I'm putting one era over the others. I just think that the modern era is great, as was the 80's and 90s. And more love should be shown to its good points instead of focusing on it's bad only. (Although, I agree the censorship SUCKS. Just had to put off Interspecies Reviewers for a while because of the censored version. Waiting for uncensored.) PS: I am totally lost with the Ratel, thing. Is this a reference to Killing Bites? (I did watch that one, even though it's sub 7.50.) i guess i worded it badly, im not saying modern anime hasn't done anything new, im just saying that its still doing EVERYTHING older anime was idk if thats a "well no shit" thing to say like, theres plenty of anime from the past, that you could make a modern version of and you wouldn't know, i mean, they do that all the time Yu-No for example is a game and Hentai OVA from the 90s, yet the new series fit just well in the late 2010s Cutey Honey Universe fit just fine in 2017 theres several examples of this i think thats what im really saying here, i think you could make a new version of an 80s - 90s anime like the examples above and it would feel perfectly at place in modern time, since new anime still use all the old tropes |
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EcchiGodMamster said: Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I agree that anime today is doing everything anime did in the past. It has no choice really. Because anime itself just follows the foundation of traditional storytelling back to ancient times. There's only so many stories you can tell in so many ways and all modern mediums of storytelling are repeating the same main pillars of storytelling. (Drama/Tragedy/Comedy/Oddysey). But, we're in agreement it does everything from before and adds new twists to it. I also agree you could make an 80's style anime that would fit in with today. We'd just say it was retro. Kind of like how Bruno Mars takes so much of the 80's funk and modernizes it today and is popular for it, if that makes sense. Injenss said: Keep in mind the original question, what is it that people like about modern anime? So the ever changing artistic styles are something valid to the conversation if people like them. But, still anime has changed in many ways beyond just the art. I'd have to disagree with you that all the storyline tropes are the same. The world was much more conservative, so you didn't see a whole lot of LGBTQ characters in anime like you do now. A lot more animes are darker as a whole to reflect our darkening society. That's happening across all entertainment mediums. The comics, the movies, TV shows, music, everything is getting more morose. That includes anime. When you look at the top 100 anime, how many can you truly say had a clone from previous generations? What about Steins;Gate is like anything from the 1980s? Made In Abyss? The Monogatari Series? Etc... There are no comparisons to many animes from the past for many animes now. Certainly there are some, but the reason the top animes are at the top is generally because they broke some kind of new ground that amazed people. I get the feeling that you might be saying that "Boy saves world", "Overcoming the odds", "Boy meets girl", the foundation of storytelling is the same. (Correct me if I'm wrong) But, I think what's built upon that foundation can change dramatically as the culture changes, thus changing stories, jokes, characters, etc... The jokes must change. Nobody would find a Bob Hope reference joke funny in 2020, you know what I mean? I may be upping the modern gen a bit, because of the amount released, I'm able to just pick what's good and ignore the trash, while back in the day, I watched all the trash, too. But, it's not like I'm putting one era over the others. I just think that the modern era is great, as was the 80's and 90s. And more love should be shown to its good points instead of focusing on it's bad only. (Although, I agree the censorship SUCKS. Just had to put off Interspecies Reviewers for a while because of the censored version. Waiting for uncensored.) PS: I am totally lost with the Ratel, thing. Is this a reference to Killing Bites? (I did watch that one, even though it's sub 7.50.) i guess i worded it badly, im not saying modern anime hasn't done anything new, im just saying that its still doing EVERYTHING older anime was idk if thats a "well no shit" thing to say like, theres plenty of anime from the past, that you could make a modern version of and you wouldn't know, i mean, they do that all the time Yu-No for example is a game and Hentai OVA from the 90s, yet the new series fit just well in the late 2010s Cutey Honey Universe fit just fine in 2017 theres several examples of this i think thats what im really saying here, i think you could make a new version of an 80s - 90s anime like the examples above and it would feel perfectly at place in modern time, since new anime still use all the old tropes |
Injenss said: EcchiGodMamster said: Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I agree that anime today is doing everything anime did in the past. It has no choice really. Because anime itself just follows the foundation of traditional storytelling back to ancient times. There's only so many stories you can tell in so many ways and all modern mediums of storytelling are repeating the same main pillars of storytelling. (Drama/Tragedy/Comedy/Oddysey). But, we're in agreement it does everything from before and adds new twists to it. I also agree you could make an 80's style anime that would fit in with today. We'd just say it was retro. Kind of like how Bruno Mars takes so much of the 80's funk and modernizes it today and is popular for it, if that makes sense. i guess i worded it badly, im not saying modern anime hasn't done anything new, im just saying that its still doing EVERYTHING older anime was idk if thats a "well no shit" thing to say like, theres plenty of anime from the past, that you could make a modern version of and you wouldn't know, i mean, they do that all the time Yu-No for example is a game and Hentai OVA from the 90s, yet the new series fit just well in the late 2010s Cutey Honey Universe fit just fine in 2017 theres several examples of this i think thats what im really saying here, i think you could make a new version of an 80s - 90s anime like the examples above and it would feel perfectly at place in modern time, since new anime still use all the old tropes i don't even mean primarily story, i mean, technically all around the world follows basic types of stories, what i mostly mean is: character types, jokes, types of comedic moments, fanservice, facial expressions, all that too is the pretty much the same though some of that stuff is more censored now :/ but yea, the storytelling aspects that are unique to anime still stem from older stuff that works today |
EcchiGodMamsterFeb 18, 2020 10:28 PM
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Gorochu said: WOW! Nice. What anime is this? Makoto Shinkai work? I really love all the beautiful scene created by modern anime especially the one by Makoto Shinkai. Yes, that's his newest movie, Weathering With You...or 'Tenki No Ko". :) |
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According to TV tropes, I am using it CORRECTLY and you are the one using it wrong. Nobody will agree or disagree with you Of course more people will agree with me because I'm right. And actually it doesn't matter. If it doesn't matter, why do you keep arguing? It must matter to you...otherwise you'd drop it. Be honest. Naaah. I guess people are that used to this reapeted shot from below that it only provokes yawns. Can you express yourself without sounding pretentious? People can see starry skies EVERY night but it doesn't make them less pretty. Seen that on hundreds movies and TV shows. Practically every birth cake "It's in a movie! That means it's true!!!" Haha are you three years old? Oh...this explains the "former". You refused to put what people were asking - blue and green paint. I didn't get fired. I quit because it was stressful; making 24 cakes in one hour...I'm only human. But I filled every order exactly as it was given. That is how jobs work, you see. Maybe you've never had one...which wouldn't surprise me because your people skills sure are lacking. Nobody puts "paint" on cakes, fool. It's called "food coloring". Look at you, pretending to know more about this stuff...when you don't even know what food coloring is. Lol White icing is the most popular one because it makes other colors stand out. Like blank white canvas. Even a child knows that. And chocolate is also very popular because 'everybody loves chocolate'. Never saw that outside of anime... I guess you live under a rock. Food porn is literally in every commercial about food. I guess you've never seen a commercial, despite you seeing "hundreds of TV shows with green and blue cakes". That's certainly odd. |
ChiibiFeb 19, 2020 9:42 AM
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According to your interpretation of TV trope. There is an expression "Like the devil reads The Bible". I am still waiting for someone else to disprove my examples being scenery porn. Chiibi said: If it doesn't matter, why do you keep arguing? It must matter to you...otherwise you'd drop it. Be honest. To be honest I am just keeping the conversation at that point. If you stop reading them in your head with pretentious tone...maybe they would stop sounding pretentious. Not in the urban areas. Too much air pollution and light pollution. You can see only few stars and the moon. I don't have any other point of reference. Chiibi said: I didn't get fired. I quit I was joking, not really thought that you were fired. Chiibi said: Maybe you've never had one...which wouldn't surprise me because your people skills sure are lacking. People hate me no matter how hard I try, so why bother... Chiibi said: Nobody puts "paint" on cakes, fool. It's called "food coloring". Yeah, putting food colourants, my mistake. Chiibi said: Look at you, pretending to know more about this stuff...when you don't even know what food coloring is. Lol I don't pretend, just my english cooking vocabulary needs some developing. Chiibi said: White icing is the most popular one because it makes other colors stand out. Like blank white canvas. Even a child knows that. And chocolate is also very popular because 'everybody loves chocolate'. In my country and on every european cooking show that I have ever watched - yes. But on every american TV series or movie the cakes also the ice cream are coloured like isolation or some sort of industrial waste. I don't know...may be some type of anti obesity subliminal message or may be the movie props are painted that way because those dumb extras are trying to eat them when they look realistic... Or maybe you guys really like weirdly looking sweets. The only exception are wedding cakes - they are always white. Chiibi said: I guess you live under a rock. Food porn is literally in every commercial about food. I meant inside a show...excluding commercials and for example Tumblr accounts of course. |
| Originality, even if that's still rare now... Seeing something with an original style of writing is refreshing. As for artstyle, I could pretty much not care less about how it's drawn or animated. |
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alshu said: According to your interpretation of TV trope. There is an expression "Like the devil reads The Bible". I..............what? What the bloody hell are you trying to even say? I am still waiting for someone else to disprove my examples being scenery porn. I have no idea why you think they are scenery porn. I explained they are scenery gorn. That matter should be resolved. Just accept they are gorn instead of porn and we can both move on. If you stop reading them in your head with pretentious tone...maybe they would stop sounding pretentious. Telling someone "you'd yawn" as a reaction is pretentious. Not in the urban areas. Too much air pollution and light pollution. You can see only few stars and the moon. Exactly so that makes seeing GOOD ones without all that junk in anime all the more nicer. Or maybe you guys really like weirdly looking sweets. No, we don't. Are you REALLY going to take "what you saw on TV" as truth over what a real person who made LOTS of cakes for about a whole year tells you? Come on, now. I meant inside a show.... American animation does food porn too...but not as often and not as effectively. |
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Not familiar with those parts (more with the frozen ones), you would know better (in this metaphor). Chiibi said: I explained they are scenery gorn. Yeah, you explained but how about peer review? Even the best things (like not poison looking cakes) become boring after numerous repeating. Chiibi said: Exactly so that makes seeing GOOD ones without all that junk in anime all the more nicer. Seeing fake ones on a screen is not a big consolation tho. Chiibi said: No, we don't. Are you REALLY going to take "what you saw on TV" as truth over what a real person who made LOTS of cakes for about a whole year tells you? Come on, now. It's a new fact to me, it will take time to assimilate it after decades of misinformation. Honestly never encountered this. Not even in the last things I watched like Infinity Train and The Owl House. |
| @alshu Would be great if you can provide your own citation/reference on definition of 'scenery porn' but you provide no evidence from your side. Burden of proof lies upon claimant. From what I read,Chiibi got it right. |
Papa_ScorchFeb 19, 2020 7:33 PM
Peaceful_Critic said: Gorochu said: Well, to be fair to @alshu here, people tend to not use the term for solely detailed backgrounds and just use it for any backgrounds they think look jaw dropping. You can see this in the examples of scenery porn on TV Tropes as well which has Steven Universe on there despite the backgrounds being quite simple in that show(https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ImageLinks/SceneryPorn). @alshu Would be great if you can provide your own citation/reference on definition of 'scenery porn' but you provide no evidence from your side. Burden of proof lies upon claimant. From what I read,Chiibi got it right. The Steven Universe examples in TV Tropes seems detail enough. |
Gorochu said: Those are about as detailed as what he used in his examples. There's a little bit, but the look is more colored and atmosphere based. Steven's Universe's art style is very geometric overall. It wasn't detail that made Steven Universe count it was because of good lighting("Scenery porn is the emphasis on luscious backgrounds with great detail, lovely lighting or both"). If you break down the actual meaning, it's pretty subjective, and has an anything goes rule as long as you find it pleasing to the eyes personally.Peaceful_Critic said: Well, to be fair to @alshu here, people tend to not use the term for solely detailed backgrounds and just use it for any backgrounds they think look jaw dropping. You can see this in the examples of scenery porn on TV Tropes as well which has Steven Universe on there despite the backgrounds being quite simple in that show(https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ImageLinks/SceneryPorn). The Steven Universe examples in TV Tropes seems detail enough? |
removed-userFeb 19, 2020 8:06 PM
Peaceful_Critic said: Those are about as detailed as what he used in his examples. There's a little bit, but the look is more colored and atmosphere based. Steven's Universe's art style is very geometric overall. It wasn't detail that made Steven Universe count it was because of good lighting("Scenery porn is the emphasis on luscious backgrounds with great detail, lovely lighting or both"). If you break down the actual meaning, it's pretty subjective, and has an anything goes rule as long as you find it pleasing to the eyes personally. That's the point. I don't think TV Tropes is implying the entire overall Steven Universe animation is scenery porn but rather just those specific background examples from Steven Universe is scenery porn which I agree. |
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