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| Nope, it's definitely not seinen. Seinen is not "like shounen, just with more tits and gore", that is the immature take on the term. There are countless ultra-violent OVAs from the last century. Look no further than Violence Jack, Overfiend, or Genocyber. While all of them are certainly not for kids, they are not mature at all. They are just exploitation flicks. Seinen means "adult", in that adult problems (e.g. alcoholism, marriage, non-binary sexuality, heading a family, mental health etc.) are dealt with. And of course it allows laxer presentation of sexuality and violence, but is not about them. |
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| That's easy, it never changed to exclusively cute girls so don't pretend it has. Problem solved. I love threads based on false premises, they're so easy to reply to. |
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| @inim Overfiend (Uratsukidoji) IS seinen; it's a freaking hentai series. lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urotsukid%C5%8Dji Apparently the anime added hentai stuff though. |
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| Anything gets a hentai tag when genitalia, bodily fluids, and/or penetration are shown. That's why the likes of Overfiend, A Kite, Mezzoforte and Belladonna of Sadness are technically tagged hentai. Good luck trying to fap on either, though. Otoh, soft-porn (of degrees) like Sleeping with Hinako, Eromanga-sensei, Aki-Sora, the OVAs of the mainstream ecchi francises (DxD, Sister New Devil, Love-Ru etc.), and 80s/90s OVA such as Violence Jack. The latter gets away without an ecchi tag even, while it graphically depicts rape. But: Without showing genitals and bodily fluids. Phew, so much better. Edit: Since when Hentai implies Seinen or vice versa? It simply is not even related. |
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| Doesn't seinen just mean "adult men" in the sense of "we're trying to primarily sell this to adult men"? Like, it's not even a genre but a target demographic exactly like shounen, shoujo and josei? Adult men can like a wide variety of stuff, so there is a wide variety of stuff made for them. I suppose that doesn't explain the shift away from violence to cute girls - if it ever really happened in the scale implied - but that could just be a case of changing trends, just like how Hollywood had a brief love affair with gritty reboots of classic stories. |
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inim said: Anything gets a hentai tag when genitalia, bodily fluids, and/or penetration are shown. That's why the likes of Overfiend, A Kite, Mezzoforte and Belladonna of Sadness are technically tagged hentai. Good luck trying to fap on either, though. Otoh, soft-porn (of degrees) like Sleeping with Hinako, Eromanga-sensei, Aki-Sora, the OVAs of the mainstream ecchi francises (DxD, Sister New Devil, Love-Ru etc.), and 80s/90s OVA such as Violence Jack. The latter gets away without an ecchi tag even, while it graphically depicts rape. But: Without showing genitals and bodily fluids. Phew, so much better. Edit: Since when Hentai implies Seinen or vice versa? It simply is not even related. Because "seinen" means "adult male" and hentai is only made for adult males lol It sure as hell ain't made for the shounen demographic...immature as it is. Anyway, the manga of Uratsukidoji is labeled 'seinen', even if you think it's not. |
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Chiibi said: Yea, we all know that teenagers never watch pornos. And all men older than twenty are raging perverts. And all of them love tits and ass, none of them is gay or asexual. Your world view is mildly amusing.No, it is not tagged seinen on MAL. Why would it, it's just horror/exploitation. https://myanimelist.net/manga/11821/Urotsukidoujiinim said: Because "seinen" means "adult male" and hentai is only made for adult males lol It sure as hell ain't made for the shounen demographic...immature as it is.Anything gets a hentai tag when genitalia, bodily fluids, and/or penetration are shown. (...) Since when Hentai implies Seinen or vice versa? It simply is not even related. |
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inim said: Chiibi said: Yea, we all know that teenagers never watch pornos. And all men older than twenty are raging perverts. And all of them love tits and ass, none of them is gay or asexual. Your world view is mildly amusing.No, it is not tagged seinen on MAL. Why would it, it's just horror/exploitation. https://myanimelist.net/manga/11821/UrotsukidoujiBecause "seinen" means "adult male" and hentai is only made for adult males lol It sure as hell ain't made for the shounen demographic...immature as it is. The f*ck, man? You don't need to be so condescending; I'm just telling you who it's MADE for, not who it APPEALS to. Who cares about what MAL tags stuff as? MAL doesn't always know either. MAL didn't know that Angels of Death was josei until I said something lol Wiki says Urotsukidoji IS seinen, see? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urotsukid%C5%8Dji Just in case your ass is too lazy to click the link, I will quote it: Written by Toshio Maeda Published by Wani Magazine English publisher NA Fakku Demographic Seinen Magazine Manga Erotopia Original run 1 December 1986 – 1 April 1989 Volumes 6 Here's the Japanese stating "OVA aimed at adults" from its Japanese wiki page 成人向けOVA You need to do research on more than one website lol. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: Vilkku92 said: Doesn't seinen just mean "adult men" in the sense of "we're trying to primarily sell this to adult men"? Like, it's not even a genre but a target demographic exactly like shounen, shoujo and josei? Adult men can like a wide variety of stuff, so there is a wide variety of stuff made for them. I suppose that doesn't explain the shift away from violence to cute girls - if it ever really happened in the scale implied - but that could just be a case of changing trends, just like how Hollywood had a brief love affair with gritty reboots of classic stories. While the translation is "Young Man", the genre itself is not for men only... unless you subtly mean only men are receptive to serious, complex stories and philosophy. In this case, well... let me shake your hand. And my head. I did not mean it that way nor did I mean that only adult men can like seinen. I simply meant that seinen is primarily aimed at men, just like shoujo is primarily aimed at teenaged girls and josei - whose existence this entire thread seems to have forgotten - is primarily aimed at adult women. I do find it a bit weird, though, that many people in this thread seem to have taken "seinen" to be some kind of a value statement, where something aimed at adults must be "serious" and "complex" and if it isn't it can't be called seinen. I've always seen "seinen" as a descriptive term, meaning that something is either aimed at an adult male audience or has been published in a seinen magazine, neither of which have anything to do with the content of the work. |
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Chiibi said: You love moving goal posts, don't you? Anyway, why we keep discussing degrees of sex and violence, hentai and shounen in 90% of this thread? None of that is related to seinen.inim said: No, it is not tagged seinen on MAL. Why would it, it's just horror/exploitation. https://myanimelist.net/manga/11821/Urotsukidouji Wiki says Urotsukidoji IS seinen, see? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urotsukid%C5%8Dji Seinen is much more about the likes of Monster, Planetes, Hourou Musuko, and Berserk than any of those. Seinen stories are stories about adults doing adult things and having adult problems, not a more violent form of shounen or lesser form of hentai like many of the posters here use the word. |
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inim said: You love moving goal posts, don't you? Anyway, why we keep discussing degrees of sex and violence, hentai and shounen in 90% of this thread? None of that is related to seinen. Seinen is much more about the likes of Monster, Planetes, Hourou Musuko, and Berserk than any of those. Seinen stories are stories about adults doing adult things and having adult problems, not a more violent form of shounen or lesser form of hentai like many of the posters here use the word. I don't know what you mean by "moving goal posts" but your attitude seems to be "Seinen anime can only include mature anime by MY definition of 'maturity', not official sources that state something I hate is 'seinen'. Which is bloody ridiculous. I don't claim the crappy shoujo I hate "are no longer shoujo" just because I hate them. If the manga runs in a magazine for a certain demographic, that is what you call it. That's how it works. |
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Chiibi said: inim said: Yea, we all know that teenagers never watch pornos. And all men older than twenty are raging perverts. And all of them love tits and ass, none of them is gay or asexual. Your world view is mildly amusing.No, it is not tagged seinen on MAL. Why would it, it's just horror/exploitation. https://myanimelist.net/manga/11821/Urotsukidouji The f*ck, man? You don't need to be so condescending; I'm just telling you who it's MADE for, not who it APPEALS to. Who cares about what MAL tags stuff as? MAL doesn't always know either. MAL didn't know that Angels of Death was josei until I said something lol Wiki says Urotsukidoji IS seinen, see? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urotsukid%C5%8Dji Just in case your ass is too lazy to click the link, I will quote it: Written by Toshio Maeda Published by Wani Magazine English publisher NA Fakku Demographic Seinen Magazine Manga Erotopia Original run 1 December 1986 – 1 April 1989 Volumes 6 Here's the Japanese stating "OVA aimed at adults" from its Japanese wiki page 成人向けOVA You need to do research on more than one website lol. I'd trust MAL over wiki at least when it comes to stuff like this. From what I can see there seem to be specific magazines that publish hentai stories, like this 'Manga Erotopia' magazine. They don't seem to be the same as Seinen Magazines, because those don't publish pornographic content that gets a hentai tag. I don't think you would find something as pornographic as the show in question in a random seinen magazine, only in specialized 'ero' magazines like 'Manga Erotopia'. And since the demographic tags are purely based on what magazine a series was published in you can make the argument that being from a hentai magazine and not a normal seinen magazine gives it a different target audience/demographic. Technically that target audience would still be adult males, but a much more narrow and specific range of adult males compared to normal seinen magazines. It's not MADE for every adult male out there, only for hentai readers/watchers. What you're saying is kinda like saying the target audience for hardcore violent porn is identical with the viewers of Breaking Bad or any other adult-targeted series or movie. But it's really much more niche to publish something in a porn-based magazine than in a regular seinen one and that's the main difference between being 'Seinen' and being 'Hentai'. In Hentai it is 'implied' that it is aimed at adult males (so double tagging them with both is not necessary), but the tag specifies the target audience way more than 'seinen' ever could so they can't be user interchangeably. Both have their distinct meaning and there's no reason to conflate them and imply that a graphic hentai like Urotsukidouji is aimed at the entire adult male gender and has as broad of an appeal as something like Monster or Mushishi and should have the same demographic tag as those. Idk what you think of males and our relationship to porn, but I promise you most of us are not into the kind of graphic porn that Urotsukidouji provides and whoever made that anime/manga was aware of that fact and only targeted it at a niche and not the entire adult male demographic, like a seinen tag would imply. |
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Pullman said: Chiibi said: The f*ck, man? You don't need to be so condescending; I'm just telling you who it's MADE for, not who it APPEALS to. Who cares about what MAL tags stuff as? MAL doesn't always know either. MAL didn't know that Angels of Death was josei until I said something lol Wiki says Urotsukidoji IS seinen, see? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urotsukid%C5%8Dji Just in case your ass is too lazy to click the link, I will quote it: Here's the Japanese stating "OVA aimed at adults" from its Japanese wiki page 成人向けOVA You need to do research on more than one website lol. I'd trust MAL over wiki at least when it comes to stuff like this. The English Wiki, maybe, the Japanese version? Definitely not. MAL doesn't even have the demographic listed for every anime in the list. Why? Cause they don't freaking know. *bangs head against wall* I'm not saying "ALL ADULT MALES ENJOY PORN LOL", I am saying "hentai for guys is illegal to be labeled and sold as "shounen", therefore it can only be labeled as "seinen". |
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Chiibi said: My point is that in many of the postings here "seinen" is reduced to "more sex and gore". Which is not true, one can earn a R+ or Rx rating without remotely dealing with adult problems by simply having exploitaiton imagery and stories.inim said: your attitude seems to be "Seinen anime can only include mature anime by MY definition of 'maturity', not official sources that state something I hate is 'seinen'.Seinen is much more about the likes of Monster, Planetes, Hourou Musuko, and Berserk than any of those. Seinen stories are stories about adults doing adult things and having adult problems, not a more violent form of shounen or lesser form of hentai like many of the posters here use the word. Adult males happen to be as diverse, if not more diverse, than teenagers. Why they buy a Seinen manga and not yet another exploitation OVA? Because as an adult, you really can't identify with those teenage heros in most anime. The problems of coming of age are many years or decades in the past. Don't get me wrong, this is not a "better" or "worse" assesment, just a "different" assesment. Exploitation is for all ages, teenage boys love their share of tits and gore as much (or as little) as any other male. But stories about problems real adults have, with real adults as MCs - that's seinen. |
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inim said: My point is that in many of the postings here "seinen" is reduced to "more sex and gore". Which is not true Yes, I am aware of that. But stories about problems real adults have, with real adults as MCs - that's seinen. Adults don't have to be MCs for it to be seinen though. It's safer to say "there are no rules" for what makes seinen "seinen", other than the magazine it's marketed to. |
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inim said: Adult males happen to be as diverse, if not more diverse, than teenagers. Why they buy a Seinen manga and not yet another exploitation OVA? Because as an adult, you really can't identify with those teenage heros in most anime, and the problems of coming to age are many years or decades in the past. Don't get me wrong, this is not a "better" or "worse" assesment, just a "different" assesment. Exploitation is for all ages, teenage boys love their share of tits and gore as much (or as little) as any other male. But stories about problems real adults have, with real adults as MCs - that's seinen. Don't seinen series include exploitation series as well, though? I certainly remember seeing a fair amount of gratuitous violence and nudity in some seinen series. There are many different flavors of adult oriented content, almost all of which can be found within seinen stories. |
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Vilkku92 said: According to mal-badges, I've watched more seinen shows than any other demographic genre, by far. The list posted earlier in this thread has most of them. Scanning trough it, not even 15% of the shows have increased sex and violence levels. Thus I tend to say seinen of course can use any level of exploitation, because it targets adults. But more often than not, it doesn't. If you check the shows, many of them are historical, comedy, thrillers and whatnot. What is the most common denominator, in my view, is that the protagonists are usually adults, and that there is no good-evil contrast as in shounen. Most characters have shades of gray.inim said: Exploitation is for all ages, teenage boys love their share of tits and gore as much (or as little) as any other male. But stories about problems real adults have, with real adults as MCs - that's seinen. Don't seinen series include exploitation series as well, though? I certainly remember seeing a fair amount of gratuitous violence and nudity in some seinen series. There are many different flavors of adult oriented content, almost all of which can be found within seinen stories. Edit: 15% when not considering the "Soft Porn" block, of course, i.e. the shows which actually try to tell a story. |
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Bardees said: Nostalgik said: Sorry, I messed up. (Kenpuu Denki) Berserk, Vinland Saga, Monster, Rainbow, Houseki no Kuni. Also, I suggest you start using the rating scale's numbers below 7 While mature, Fate isn't a seinen. But if it's not to recommend only seinen, I'd have to put Kaiba in my recommendations Mod edit: Merged double post. Please use the edit button. You know Fate Zero is different than other fate series, I mean we have adult main characters and more complex, so it got me confused. Fate Zero's manga is indeed seinen audience...if that helps any. I would think the anime would be the same. The manga runs in this magazine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Ace |
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inim said: Vilkku92 said: According to mal-badges, I've watched more seinen shows than any other demographic genre, by far. The list posted earlier in this thread has most of them. Scanning trough it, not even 15% of the shows have increased sex and violence levels. Thus I tend to say seinen of course can use any level of exploitation, because it targets adults. But more often than not, it doesn't. If you check the shows, many of them are historical, comedy, thrillers and whatnot. What is the most common denominator, in my view, is that the protagonists are usually adults, and that there is no good-evil contrast as in shounen. Most characters have shades of gray.Don't seinen series include exploitation series as well, though? I certainly remember seeing a fair amount of gratuitous violence and nudity in some seinen series. There are many different flavors of adult oriented content, almost all of which can be found within seinen stories. Edit: 15% when not considering the "Soft Porn" block, of course, i.e. the shows which actually try to tell a story. That 15% plus soft porn (which does count) do exist, though, and you've been kind of implying that they don't or that they shouldn't count. Of course they aren't anywhere near all that the seinen demographic has or in any way representative of the demographic as a whole, but they are part of it. |
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Bardees said: Daniel_Naumov said: For your information, Fate zero characters are adults not teenagersI would like to note thatis not really a "seinen". It transcends all those vague "genres" and is a story much bigger in scale than, say which is not even a "seinen" and centers itself around several kids in a power-fantasy. With slight twisting of myths. Let's talk about lowered expectations. Just because for a change not everybody in a show is a 15 year old highschool boy doesn't make it an adult show. Fate/Zero is not a mature show, it is a superhero wishfullfillment show in which some roles are cast with adults. Nothing in their actions is particularily adult, they could be replaced with teens without hurting the plot. While the tin says Vinland Saga is a seinen show, every character starting with Thor{fin, s, kell} has a horrible shounen design. If it wasn't for Askeladd and King Canute, I'd long dropped. Thorfinn is the epitome of a teenage edgelord, angry, angsty, confused. He has near-superpowers, can jump 5 meters high, and so on. That said, selling to both demographics is a smart move. Long story short, neither Fate/Zero not Vinland saga is a fully mature and adult show. They are both in a gray area between shounen and seinen, in my book. |
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Jus1294 said: I'm really confused on when seinen became CGDCT, are you referring to manga? I have barely seen anything that falls under that scope within seinen in anime. Sakura Trick Kiniro Mosaic Non Non Biyori Urara Meirochou K-On! Slow Start Yuyushiki Sansha Sanyou Hidamari Sketch A-Channel Machikado Mazoku New Game Anima Yell and next season's Koisuru Asteroid to name a few |
| Because CGDCT is healing. Just check this: Unless you are an angsty/edgy shounen fan or a feminist, this will put a smile on your face without seeing the actual content. The Japanese adult society is tired of their monotonous life and at the end of a tiring day or week of work or college, they want something soothing and non-violence. In a street interview shown in NHK World, it revealed the glaring statistics. The Japanese adult men (college students and working) said they prefer to watch/read something calming because it helps them prepare better for what they 'have to' do (emphasizing on "have to") and not 'want to' do. And for older women (college and working), they want to see live-action adaptation of of cute shoujo manga instead of josei, the latter which deals with more mature romance making them identify with real life. But they want to experience the pure innocence of falling in love for the first time when they were younger and an idealistic romance instead of what they are experiencing or have had experienced irl. Both male and female groups also identified themselves of enjoying fluffy stuff - the most popular being videos of kittens being kittens - if that helps understand the situation of their lives. |
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shanimebib said: Because CGDCT is healing. Just check this: Unless you are an angsty/edgy shounen fan or a feminist, this will put a smile on your face without seeing the actual content. I love many CGDCT anime, but gochuumon was not one of them, I found it boring with characters I didn't care for and designs that didn't really appeal to me, so I'd say that's a bad example if you were going for universal appeal. K-on or Love Live would have been better choices imo. also no idea what feminism has to do with any of that... |
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Pullman said: shanimebib said: Because CGDCT is healing. Just check this: Unless you are an angsty/edgy shounen fan or a feminist, this will put a smile on your face without seeing the actual content. I love many CGDCT anime, but gochuumon was not one of them, I found it boring with characters I didn't care for and designs that didn't really appeal to me, so I'd say that's a bad example if you were going for universal appeal. K-on or Love Live would have been better choices imo. also no idea what feminism has to do with any of that... Didn't care too much for those, Non Non Biyori is by far the best of the popular CGDCT |
Roevhaal said: Jus1294 said: I'm really confused on when seinen became CGDCT, are you referring to manga? I have barely seen anything that falls under that scope within seinen in anime. Sakura Trick Kiniro Mosaic Non Non Biyori Urara Meirochou K-On! Slow Start Yuyushiki Sansha Sanyou Hidamari Sketch A-Channel Machikado Mazoku New Game Anima Yell and next season's Koisuru Asteroid to name a few K-on being a seinen was news to me lol. Would've never guessed it was published in a seinen. |
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Roevhaal said: Pullman said: I love many CGDCT anime, but gochuumon was not one of them, I found it boring with characters I didn't care for and designs that didn't really appeal to me, so I'd say that's a bad example if you were going for universal appeal. K-on or Love Live would have been better choices imo. also no idea what feminism has to do with any of that... Didn't care too much for those, Non Non Biyori is by far the best of the popular CGDCT well, we can at least on NNB being fantastic :>. But K-on was the one that got me into the genre and I went into it not really expecting to like it that much but ended up a converted fan of cute girl slice of life shows. That's the power of K-On. But mainly I named those two series because they are probably the most popular and successful ones with the most universal appeal just based on how popular they became in Japan and around the globe. As much as I love NNB, it's obscure in comparison. |
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Pullman said: shanimebib said: Because CGDCT is healing. Just check this: Unless you are an angsty/edgy shounen fan or a feminist, this will put a smile on your face without seeing the actual content. I love many CGDCT anime, but gochuumon was not one of them, I found it boring with characters I didn't care for and designs that didn't really appeal to me, so I'd say that's a bad example if you were going for universal appeal. K-on or Love Live would have been better choices imo. also no idea what feminism has to do with any of that... Gochiusa is one of the top sellers in Japan outside the ground-breakers. The intention was not to "attract" people with an example which is why I said "without seeing the actual content". We are discussing why there's been a shift in Japan in recent decade. Picking ARIA, K-On!, GnP, LL would make little sense as they are too big names to make them into examples of overall CGDCT. As for the second part, it seems you don't frequent many boards. I have seen feminists branding CGDCT as selling young/underage female characters as object of adoration for older men like it is something filthy. Not that they are "entirely" wrong as they got the object and the subject right, but the hate they spread for their stupid interest is ridiculous. They are people with double standards because they never say anything against a bulk of stories for Josei demographic with college/high school boy and office lady/ widowed women OR all those TL manga for young women where the guys are literally rapists and that's the whole selling point, but since those are catered for women, they never make an issue out of it as much as they make out of stuff made for men. Thanks to LL, which has the largest female fanbase, was a slap on their face and they have toned down jumping on CGDCT at every opportunity as hyenas. |
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Jus1294 said: Roevhaal said: Sakura Trick Kiniro Mosaic Non Non Biyori Urara Meirochou K-On! Slow Start Yuyushiki Sansha Sanyou Hidamari Sketch A-Channel Machikado Mazoku New Game Anima Yell and next season's Koisuru Asteroid to name a few K-on being a seinen was news to me lol. Would've never guessed it was published in a seinen. All the Manga Time Kirara magazines are seinen and they are pretty much the go to for CGDCT |
shanimebib said: I have seen feminists branding CGDCT as selling young/underage female characters as object of adoration for older men like it is something filthy. That's just because they are mentally retarded SJWs who cannot seem to tell the difference between real girls and fictitious girls. :/ SJWs just love to ruin everything that is not aimed at them...and even if things are aimed at them, "they're still not accurate enough" or some shit. |
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Roevhaal said: Jus1294 said: K-on being a seinen was news to me lol. Would've never guessed it was published in a seinen. All the Manga Time Kirara magazines are seinen and they are pretty much the go to for CGDCT Neat to know, but I still find OP's take saying seinen nowadays is exclusively CGDCT goofy |
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| The reason being that anime is more mainstream now and family friendly stuff makes more money. Even something like Vinland saga is not as dark or realistic in its adaptation compared to the manga. Some more absurd action scenes and some more cute king boi scenes. Seinen is also a demographic and in Japan many adult people watch Cute Girls doing stuff sooo some stuff is maybe targeted at those spicy guys. |
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AkaneManiac said: Ok, fellas, time for some real talk here! When did the demographic that was known for extreme violence and sexual content turn into exclusively cute girls doing cute things, and why do you think that happened? Which one do you prefer? Was it a good thing? I'm genuinely curious about this topic! As far as I'm concerned that is a major improvement. The less toxic masculinity the better. I would love for you to show me examples of those "Evil" feminist you keep talking about. You do realize that shows like K-On! were very popular among girls and that it was directed by a woman. There is no reason why girls couldn't enjoy CGDCT in fact a lot of them do, just like many Shojo and Yuri stuff is watched by boys. Feminist generally have a problem with toxic masculinity and oversexualization and objectification of women. |
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AnimeFeminist said: AkaneManiac said: Ok, fellas, time for some real talk here! When did the demographic that was known for extreme violence and sexual content turn into exclusively cute girls doing cute things, and why do you think that happened? Which one do you prefer? Was it a good thing? I'm genuinely curious about this topic! As far as I'm concerned that is a major improvement. The less toxic masculinity the better. Oh jolly, the top tier troll account has joined the thread |
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RealTheAbsurdist said: I used anime+ to compile a list of seinen's I watched, and it had three CGDCT with that MAL tag: Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou, Konohana Kitan, and the Non Non Biyori francise.I can't think of any seinen anime off the top of my head that is cute girls doing cute things from this decade |
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GroovySensei said: Vinland Saga for example had been killing it this year. Which is surprisingly...or maybe not so much surprisingly...very shounen-ish. |
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