Why are people giving this show bad reviews?

Tohsaka_Rukia said:
People have different opinions. Anyway, the top reviews are evenly split so it's not as worse as you make it out to be and the rating especially is quite high.

This is one of those earlier shoujo mangas so it might not sit well with modern watchers.

natsudragneelfan said:

ah is it I did not notice maybe because I loved Fruits Basket before the new version came out I mean I did see a review call it cheesy and all no idea why.

Tohsaka_Rukia said:


Well shoujo mangas are indeed cheesy most of the time. Not that I think it's a bad thing either since I loved Kaichou wa Maid-sama to death despite being a ball of cheese. Some people can't seem to stomach those stuff even though romance in movies is always pretty cheesy in general lol.

kuraharah said:
Because maybe, just maybe, people have opinions? And the right to voice said opinions in the review section? And maybe saying "are we even watching the same show" is not the best way to state your point. Because no, not everyone is obliged to like same things that you like.

CondemneDio said:
There's these things called opinions. Everyone has them, and they might not be identical to yours.

What a shock.

natsudragneelfan said:


no need to be condescending it was just a question

Dzentelmen2 said:
I didn't rate it because I don't do that with anything and I'm just trying to hang on till this season ends but I definitely won't be watching the second. The main character is pretty annoying. Like, there are some pretty naive or airheaded characters in other anime but she's like the fuckin' budda with how she's okay to be treated like shit while also wanting to satisfy everyone else. That's not a personality. Through the whole show so far she didn't do anything aside from giving some cheesy speech now and then and then everyone who hears her is like "fuck yes" even though most of the time she's just speaking gibberish. It would be even fine if they gave her traits to a side character. There are already a bunch of annoying jackasses in this anime so that wouldn't be out of norm. It's the first time I saw someone give this kind of personality to an mc and the reason why it doesn't happen more often is pretty clear.

The other part that bothers me is how slow it is. At one point someone mentioned that 6 months have passed and I was like "Wait. What?" Nothing happened during all that time. Both of these guys act like they want to wife her up but the author probably justifies them not doing anything by saying that they need to get over their shitty childhoods first. And that would be okay if the story was actually about that but with how it's set up, every episode or every second episode they introduce another zodiac member who shoves all of their past and problems onto the main character whose like "I gotta deal with this." No, you don't. Half of their problems would be solved by figuring out what the fuck is up with Akito but instead they waste even more time by having episodes based on her friends.

If they made the story more focused and made the main character something more besides being a saint then it would be more enjoyable.

Also, me being a guy probably plays a part in it. I've watched male targeted shows which were equally as shitty but wasn't that bothered because at least there were boobs to look forward to. I don't know if shoujo have a similar thing that keeps people watching despite the story being subpar since I don't imagine the quick scenes of the boys' chests as they transform and a cloud of smoke are that.

natsudragneelfan said:
I mean are we even watching the same show as those people from what I have read it does not seem like it.
I mean calling the characters watered down or having no personality
OR calling the storyline flat

Dzentelmen2 said:
I didn't rate it because I don't do that with anything and I'm just trying to hang on till this season ends but I definitely won't be watching the second. The main character is pretty annoying. Like, there are some pretty naive or airheaded characters in other anime but she's like the fuckin' budda with how she's okay to be treated like shit while also wanting to satisfy everyone else. That's not a personality. Through the whole show so far she didn't do anything aside from giving some cheesy speech now and then and then everyone who hears her is like "fuck yes" even though most of the time she's just speaking gibberish. It would be even fine if they gave her traits to a side character. There are already a bunch of annoying jackasses in this anime so that wouldn't be out of norm. It's the first time I saw someone give this kind of personality to an mc and the reason why it doesn't happen more often is pretty clear.

The other part that bothers me is how slow it is. At one point someone mentioned that 6 months have passed and I was like "Wait. What?" Nothing happened during all that time. Both of these guys act like they want to wife her up but the author probably justifies them not doing anything by saying that they need to get over their shitty childhoods first. And that would be okay if the story was actually about that but with how it's set up, every episode or every second episode they introduce another zodiac member who shoves all of their past and problems onto the main character whose like "I gotta deal with this." No, you don't. Half of their problems would be solved by figuring out what the fuck is up with Akito but instead they waste even more time by having episodes based on her friends.

If they made the story more focused and made the main character something more besides being a saint then it would be more enjoyable.

Also, me being a guy probably plays a part in it. I've watched male targeted shows which were equally as shitty but wasn't that bothered because at least there were boobs to look forward to. I don't know if shoujo have a similar thing that keeps people watching despite the story being subpar since I don't imagine the quick scenes of the boys' chests as they transform and a cloud of smoke are that.

Lain666 said:

Why just not read this reviews? First review that rated it low and which I read explains why the author does not like Fruits Basket.

There are unrealistic gender expectations (ex: boys must be hyperaggressive, girls must be selfless homemakers). Kyo and Yuki are violent in their own ways—they manhandle Tohru, they forcefully touch her whenever they feel like it, and they express their emotions aggressively or straight up yell at her altogether. Men yelling at and touching women should not be normalized. Tohru is constantly sacrificing her autonomy for this fuck of a family. She always throws herself in physical danger for the Sohmas, her comfort is always dead last on her list of priorities, and she goes on A LOT of monologues about how she smiles through the pain—she is literally a walking TedTalk for the entire Sohma family. It’s not good to teach girls to be a mother figure to everyone—it’s overdone and it’s exhausting.

And well, it is hard to not agree. This story was created 20 years ago and it was definitely not revolutionary for its times like for example Utena and Princess Tutu was.

Short_Circut said:

except this is really reaching to find ways to shit on the show.

In what way are gender expectations being placed? You have your softer/gentler females like Honda, and you have your more aggressive ones like Uotani and Kagura. Same thing with males you have your aggressive ones like Kyo yet gentle ones like Momiji. Kyo and Yukki barely if at all "manhandle" Tooru if anything they treat her with probably the most respect (especially Kyo) and the "yelling" directed towards Honda is comedic effect associated with airheaded type characters that is present in almost every show that has those types of characters. Yes she sacrifices a lot for the family, but they also do for her in letting her stay with them and allowing her to keep the knowledge of the zodiac. Her monologues are literally all about how she's gratefull towards her mother and if anything, she's happy to be with the Souma's and co. as they brought her natural happiness in her life, idk what kind of "pain" she really has with that

there are definitely reasons to criticize the show yes, but that just sounds like an angry rant cause the manga killed their family or something

this little rant wasn't directed towards you more so towards the actual review lol

Lain666 said:

I think the problem with this anime at its core is if the person watching it can accept the main idea behind the story which is that a teenage girl can cure trauma/help people with serious emotional problems that would otherwise demand a good therapist.

Someone who does not mind naivety in their story, which I admit is not foreign to anime series in general, will see it as a nice heart-warming story.

Someone who cannot take this naive idea that teenage girl can help a good portion of family with serious emotional problems, will see the story as a fake and untrue, because this series is not realistic in its treatment of curing emotional problems. Thus the accusations that Tohru is a walking TedTalk or thinking that Tohru must be suffering from Savior Complex.

Lain666 said:

I think the problem with this anime at its core is if the person watching it can accept the main idea behind the story which is that a teenage girl can cure trauma/help people with serious emotional problems that would otherwise demand a good therapist.

Someone who does not mind naivety in their story, which I admit is not foreign to anime series in general, will see it as a nice heart-warming story.

Someone who cannot take this naive idea that teenage girl can help a good portion of family with serious emotional problems, will see the story as a fake and untrue, because this series is not realistic in its treatment of curing emotional problems. Thus the accusations that Tohru is a walking TedTalk or thinking that Tohru must be suffering from Savior Complex.

thebond_thecurse said:


Have you considered that Japan, as a different culture, has different concepts about trauma, emotional issues, and healing as a collective social action, rather than an individual person-to-professional process?

I don't mean to say this to brag, but I do think it's necessary to give myself some credentials to be taken seriously here, as the criticism you have raised against Furuba is one of my biggest pet peeves, both as it relates to the manga itself and broader ideas. I live in Japan, and I study at a university here in the areas of medical anthropological and the sociology of health and illness. I have a full scholarship to do this and I got the full scholarship in part because as an undergrad I wrote a thesis about how these concepts in Japanese culture are expressed in the best-selling manga series "Fruits Basket". Now I study these concepts more related to the real world, rather than represented through popular culture, but the insights are the same.

Saying "Fruits Basket is naive because everyone is healed through their relationships rather than through intensive therapy" is a culturally tone deaf statement.

In addition to this, I must argue that Tohru is not the main source of healing for any of these characters. The characters are healed through relationships with others, of which Tohru is merely one (for some of them, not even all). She sets off a chain reaction of characters opening up to and developing better relationships, because well, she is the protagonist, so she has to have some central/important role. But she is not the sole source of collective social healing for any of these characters, so it's a misnomer to view her as a "savior".

Lain666 said:

Yeah, I may not be an expert but I heard that using professional help to get over emotional issues is not popular there, though maybe sometimes to their disadvantage seeing that the suicide rate in Japan is one of the highest in the world.

Social support is good for any person in the world after all, but I can understand that healthy bonds between human beings can be important and may be even doubly so in a society like Japan where it culturally it is very important to be part of the community, etc.

Still, in Fruits Basket you have to see no problem with the fact that this chain reaction is started and a good portion of healing is made by a teenage girl rather than by someone older and with competence in the field. I suppose that reception may have been different if for example Tohru was older and for example was a student of psychology or something.

thebond_thecurse said:


You're right, you're not an expert. The reason why the suicide rate is high in Japan is extremely complicated and it is highly culturally insensitive to try to distill it down to or claim it's because they don't "get professional help" using the methods and manner that you deem acceptable and solvable in your own culture.

You've also entirely missed my point if you think Tohru needs "competence in the field" by which you mean "professional Western psychology" in order to be able to help people or set off events that inspired people towards building and cultivating better relationships. You've really missed the point.

I'm not saying that "collective social healing" is something that's important in addition to Western therapeutic methods, I'm saying it's a completely different perspective on trauma and healing than one that people outside Japanese culture might have. So maybe that doesn't make sense to you and maybe in a story it doesn't appeal to you based on your own cultural upbringing and perspective, but that doesn't mean it's "naive" or "a problem". This story was written for a Japanese audience after all, by a Japanese author.

natsudragneelfan said:
I mean are we even watching the same show as those people from what I have read it does not seem like it.
I mean calling the characters watered down or having no personality
OR calling the storyline flat

Lain666 said:

Why just not read this reviews? First review that rated it low and which I read explains why the author does not like Fruits Basket.

There are unrealistic gender expectations (ex: boys must be hyperaggressive, girls must be selfless homemakers). Kyo and Yuki are violent in their own ways—they manhandle Tohru, they forcefully touch her whenever they feel like it, and they express their emotions aggressively or straight up yell at her altogether. Men yelling at and touching women should not be normalized. Tohru is constantly sacrificing her autonomy for this fuck of a family. She always throws herself in physical danger for the Sohmas, her comfort is always dead last on her list of priorities, and she goes on A LOT of monologues about how she smiles through the pain—she is literally a walking TedTalk for the entire Sohma family. It’s not good to teach girls to be a mother figure to everyone—it’s overdone and it’s exhausting.

And well, it is hard to not agree. This story was created 20 years ago and it was definitely not revolutionary for its times like for example Utena and Princess Tutu was.

As someone who read Fruits Basket in the past and likes slice of life anime that focus on characters rather than plot, I can tell you that I am bored by this story now. It is quite visible that is dated and I saw certain things done much better in other shows. For example bullying was much better shown and handled in March comes in like a lion.

hexadcml said:
I think we need to talk about juneboba's rewiew in more detail. There is rewiews and there is blatant hate and not understandins source material due to ideology. Sadly the juneboba's case is the second one.

1. Representation of matriarchy as something bad.

Exuse me where? Just because Kaito's character is a female? it doesn't mean that author thinks and want to show that matriarchy is a bad thing. Just because main antagonist is female that doesn't mean that author hates women. Kaito is just a mentally ill and a deeply disturbed person who happens to be female, not the other way. Not to mention for the most manga kaito was presented as male.

2. Women with mental issues presented as unstable and violent.

They can be. Just like any other unstable person regardless of their gender. Women are not some kinda pure angels who can do no wrong. There is enough share of unstable men in Furuba too.

3. There are unrealistic gender expectations (ex: boys must be hyperaggressive, girls must be selfless homemakers).

Um, have this person actually read manga or just pretends that they did? There is enough share of characters in Furuba that prove this statement wrong

4.Kyo and Yuki are violent in their own ways—they manhandle Tohru, they forcefully touch her whenever they feel like it

WHERE? at this point it looks that the person is projecting something from their mind, because i deadass cannot find any proof to that statement

5. and they express their emotions aggressively or straight up yell at her altogether. Men yelling at and touching women should not be normalized.

Kyo does yell a lot. He is an aggressive character. But nobody normalizes it. Literally everybody shaming him for it.

6. Tohru is constantly sacrificing her autonomy for this fuck of a family. She always throws herself in physical danger for the Sohmas, her comfort is always dead last on her list of priorities

They literally gave her roof over head. What is she supposed to do? Call everybody names as a thanks? She doesn't sacrifices her autonomy, she helps them as a thank you for helping her. Her entire character is a selfless person who thinks of others more than she thinks of herself. What kinda person you need to be to not understand the concept of gratitude.

7. and she goes on A LOT of monologues about how she smiles through the pain—she is literally a walking TedTalk for the entire Sohma family. It’s not good to teach girls to be a mother figure to everyone—it’s overdone and it’s exhausting

yes she does. Why is that wrong tho? She sees somebody in a struggle and she wants them to cheer up. How horrible of her. She should tell them to go die in a ditch if they are so weak probably. Nobody teaches girls anything in here. Or this person thiks girls are some kind of mindless robots that repeat everything they see?

8. Hence, the multiple incest (shudders)
WHUET. Soma's family acepts new people from outside via marrige. i don't even know anymore at this point.

9. All of the themes I’ve mentioned are really dated and doesn’t make for good writing

Ah yes. Frindship, helping people to deal with negative emotions, being gratefull, acsepting who you are with all the goods and bads, staing cheerfull despite misfortune, learning to accept others, learning to take responsibility for yourself and your future and etc. WHAT A DATED CONCEPTS! WHO NEEDS THOSE IN OUR DAY AND AGE!

Apparently this person posted a more full rewiew on their tumblr, here is the link
https://juneboba.tumblr.com/post/185173610519/juneboba-i-gave-the-fruits-basket-reboot-a-try

There is so much to unfold in it, it's almost amazing. Complete misunderstanding of material + inability to read or understand emotions of characters + inability to read the mood of the scenes + a LOT of buzzwords (sexist, misogyny and etc).
I think the funniest is a complaint that "omg why it's such a big deal that they can hug opposite sex. i mean gay sex exist". Oh i dunno. Maybe because straight people exist. And most of the characters are straight (i can't say for everybody of course.) which causes them pain that they can't find a close one.

It's like this person don't understand that this series is about deeply disturbed people who by the end learn that their ways are wrong. And if they weren't like that and were good from the star there would be no story to tell. The entire premise is a damaged self-centered people learn how to be at least a little bit better.

Furuba is far from perfect, it's very slow and bland at start. But hearing that it's sexist-misoginistic-toxic and other buzzwords is one of the most stupid things i ever heard.

KomaDoll said:


There has been quite lot feminist critique for the show, but even as a feminist it does go over my head. Like I haven't seen hyperaggressiviness being promoted for boys at any point, at most it could fit to Kyo but he's like that cause he has issues it's not promoted. And there is women in the show that are aggressive as well as there is men who are not- in fact they are too submissive for their own good.

I agree that there is gender stereotypes with many characters, but there is also characters who defy them like we even have two boys who don't wear men's clothing.

What comes to story, I think Fruits Basket is about abuse- showing how it affects different people, how they cope with it, how they can get past it and get to better place in their life.

Lain666 said:

I do not completely agree with this review too, but I agree with the gender stereotypes. The women here are interested in cleaning and cooking, which I find meh. On the good side at least women in this story are defined by their relationship with their mother, not just by their relationships with men.

hexadcml said:
I think we need to talk about juneboba's rewiew in more detail. There is rewiews and there is blatant hate and not understandins source material due to ideology. Sadly the juneboba's case is the second one.

1. Representation of matriarchy as something bad.

Exuse me where? Just because Kaito's character is a female? it doesn't mean that author thinks and want to show that matriarchy is a bad thing. Just because main antagonist is female that doesn't mean that author hates women. Kaito is just a mentally ill and a deeply disturbed person who happens to be female, not the other way. Not to mention for the most manga kaito was presented as male.

2. Women with mental issues presented as unstable and violent.

They can be. Just like any other unstable person regardless of their gender. Women are not some kinda pure angels who can do no wrong. There is enough share of unstable men in Furuba too.

3. There are unrealistic gender expectations (ex: boys must be hyperaggressive, girls must be selfless homemakers).

Um, have this person actually read manga or just pretends that they did? There is enough share of characters in Furuba that prove this statement wrong

4.Kyo and Yuki are violent in their own ways—they manhandle Tohru, they forcefully touch her whenever they feel like it

WHERE? at this point it looks that the person is projecting something from their mind, because i deadass cannot find any proof to that statement

5. and they express their emotions aggressively or straight up yell at her altogether. Men yelling at and touching women should not be normalized.

Kyo does yell a lot. He is an aggressive character. But nobody normalizes it. Literally everybody shaming him for it.

6. Tohru is constantly sacrificing her autonomy for this fuck of a family. She always throws herself in physical danger for the Sohmas, her comfort is always dead last on her list of priorities

They literally gave her roof over head. What is she supposed to do? Call everybody names as a thanks? She doesn't sacrifices her autonomy, she helps them as a thank you for helping her. Her entire character is a selfless person who thinks of others more than she thinks of herself. What kinda person you need to be to not understand the concept of gratitude.

7. and she goes on A LOT of monologues about how she smiles through the pain—she is literally a walking TedTalk for the entire Sohma family. It’s not good to teach girls to be a mother figure to everyone—it’s overdone and it’s exhausting

yes she does. Why is that wrong tho? She sees somebody in a struggle and she wants them to cheer up. How horrible of her. She should tell them to go die in a ditch if they are so weak probably. Nobody teaches girls anything in here. Or this person thiks girls are some kind of mindless robots that repeat everything they see?

8. Hence, the multiple incest (shudders)
WHUET. Soma's family acepts new people from outside via marrige. i don't even know anymore at this point.

9. All of the themes I’ve mentioned are really dated and doesn’t make for good writing

Ah yes. Frindship, helping people to deal with negative emotions, being gratefull, acsepting who you are with all the goods and bads, staing cheerfull despite misfortune, learning to accept others, learning to take responsibility for yourself and your future and etc. WHAT A DATED CONCEPTS! WHO NEEDS THOSE IN OUR DAY AND AGE!

Apparently this person posted a more full rewiew on their tumblr, here is the link
https://juneboba.tumblr.com/post/185173610519/juneboba-i-gave-the-fruits-basket-reboot-a-try

There is so much to unfold in it, it's almost amazing. Complete misunderstanding of material + inability to read or understand emotions of characters + inability to read the mood of the scenes + a LOT of buzzwords (sexist, misogyny and etc).
I think the funniest is a complaint that "omg why it's such a big deal that they can hug opposite sex. i mean gay sex exist". Oh i dunno. Maybe because straight people exist. And most of the characters are straight (i can't say for everybody of course.) which causes them pain that they can't find a close one.

It's like this person don't understand that this series is about deeply disturbed people who by the end learn that their ways are wrong. And if they weren't like that and were good from the star there would be no story to tell. The entire premise is a damaged self-centered people learn how to be at least a little bit better.

Furuba is far from perfect, it's very slow and bland at start. But hearing that it's sexist-misoginistic-toxic and other buzzwords is one of the most stupid things i ever heard.

CondemneDio said:
There's these things called opinions. Everyone has them, and they might not be identical to yours.

What a shock.

Joshua_QT said:
I didn't realise opinions were such a difficult concept to understand. Huh.

kuraharah said:
Because maybe, just maybe, people have opinions? And the right to voice said opinions in the review section? And maybe saying "are we even watching the same show" is not the best way to state your point. Because no, not everyone is obliged to like same things that you like.

thebond_thecurse said:


What women? Tohru? Tohru is one woman.

Otorez said:
"Why are people giving this show bad reviews?" Because they don't like it.
"Why are people giving this show good reviews?" Because they like it.

Fortunately we live in a world where one can think differently than his/her neighbor AND express such opinion publicly.

Now, why does Fruits Basket receive some bad reviews ? I don't know, didn't read 'em. The writers surely had their reasons and if curiosity caughts me, I'll take a look. Otherwise I content myself by enjoying each episode for 21 weeks without wondering if someone hates it somewhere.

KomaDoll said:


But review is not about liking or not liking sth, it's pointing out what is good and what is not about something. There is many animes I didn't like- like Bakemonogatari or Gintama. I might score low on my own list since that is about what i like and don't, but review is different thing to me. I don't like it isn't reason enough.

Dzentelmen2 said:
I didn't rate it because I don't do that with anything and I'm just trying to hang on till this season ends but I definitely won't be watching the second. The main character is pretty annoying. Like, there are some pretty naive or airheaded characters in other anime but she's like the fuckin' budda with how she's okay to be treated like shit while also wanting to satisfy everyone else. That's not a personality. Through the whole show so far she didn't do anything aside from giving some cheesy speech now and then and then everyone who hears her is like "fuck yes" even though most of the time she's just speaking gibberish. It would be even fine if they gave her traits to a side character. There are already a bunch of annoying jackasses in this anime so that wouldn't be out of norm. It's the first time I saw someone give this kind of personality to an mc and the reason why it doesn't happen more often is pretty clear.

The other part that bothers me is how slow it is. At one point someone mentioned that 6 months have passed and I was like "Wait. What?" Nothing happened during all that time. Both of these guys act like they want to wife her up but the author probably justifies them not doing anything by saying that they need to get over their shitty childhoods first. And that would be okay if the story was actually about that but with how it's set up, every episode or every second episode they introduce another zodiac member who shoves all of their past and problems onto the main character whose like "I gotta deal with this." No, you don't. Half of their problems would be solved by figuring out what the fuck is up with Akito but instead they waste even more time by having episodes based on her friends.

If they made the story more focused and made the main character something more besides being a saint then it would be more enjoyable.

Also, me being a guy probably plays a part in it. I've watched male targeted shows which were equally as shitty but wasn't that bothered because at least there were boobs to look forward to. I don't know if shoujo have a similar thing that keeps people watching despite the story being subpar since I don't imagine the quick scenes of the boys' chests as they transform and a cloud of smoke are that.

Lain666 said:


I was thinking about Tohru and Kagura. The problem I have with the rest is that I do not rememer if they were shown interested in anything and I generally like when heroines are interested in something that does not make it look like their lives revolve around men and relatinships with them, for example:
Glass Mask - the main heroine is interested in acting
Chihayafuru - the main heroine is interested in kurata
Nodame Cantabile - the main heroine is interested in music/anime

hexadcml said:
I think we need to talk about juneboba's rewiew in more detail. There is rewiews and there is blatant hate and not understandins source material due to ideology. Sadly the juneboba's case is the second one.

1. Representation of matriarchy as something bad.

Exuse me where? Just because Kaito's character is a female? it doesn't mean that author thinks and want to show that matriarchy is a bad thing. Just because main antagonist is female that doesn't mean that author hates women. Kaito is just a mentally ill and a deeply disturbed person who happens to be female, not the other way. Not to mention for the most manga kaito was presented as male.

2. Women with mental issues presented as unstable and violent.

They can be. Just like any other unstable person regardless of their gender. Women are not some kinda pure angels who can do no wrong. There is enough share of unstable men in Furuba too.

3. There are unrealistic gender expectations (ex: boys must be hyperaggressive, girls must be selfless homemakers).

Um, have this person actually read manga or just pretends that they did? There is enough share of characters in Furuba that prove this statement wrong

4.Kyo and Yuki are violent in their own ways—they manhandle Tohru, they forcefully touch her whenever they feel like it

WHERE? at this point it looks that the person is projecting something from their mind, because i deadass cannot find any proof to that statement

5. and they express their emotions aggressively or straight up yell at her altogether. Men yelling at and touching women should not be normalized.

Kyo does yell a lot. He is an aggressive character. But nobody normalizes it. Literally everybody shaming him for it.

6. Tohru is constantly sacrificing her autonomy for this fuck of a family. She always throws herself in physical danger for the Sohmas, her comfort is always dead last on her list of priorities

They literally gave her roof over head. What is she supposed to do? Call everybody names as a thanks? She doesn't sacrifices her autonomy, she helps them as a thank you for helping her. Her entire character is a selfless person who thinks of others more than she thinks of herself. What kinda person you need to be to not understand the concept of gratitude.

7. and she goes on A LOT of monologues about how she smiles through the pain—she is literally a walking TedTalk for the entire Sohma family. It’s not good to teach girls to be a mother figure to everyone—it’s overdone and it’s exhausting

yes she does. Why is that wrong tho? She sees somebody in a struggle and she wants them to cheer up. How horrible of her. She should tell them to go die in a ditch if they are so weak probably. Nobody teaches girls anything in here. Or this person thiks girls are some kind of mindless robots that repeat everything they see?

8. Hence, the multiple incest (shudders)
WHUET. Soma's family acepts new people from outside via marrige. i don't even know anymore at this point.

9. All of the themes I’ve mentioned are really dated and doesn’t make for good writing

Ah yes. Frindship, helping people to deal with negative emotions, being gratefull, acsepting who you are with all the goods and bads, staing cheerfull despite misfortune, learning to accept others, learning to take responsibility for yourself and your future and etc. WHAT A DATED CONCEPTS! WHO NEEDS THOSE IN OUR DAY AND AGE!

Apparently this person posted a more full rewiew on their tumblr, here is the link
https://juneboba.tumblr.com/post/185173610519/juneboba-i-gave-the-fruits-basket-reboot-a-try

There is so much to unfold in it, it's almost amazing. Complete misunderstanding of material + inability to read or understand emotions of characters + inability to read the mood of the scenes + a LOT of buzzwords (sexist, misogyny and etc).
I think the funniest is a complaint that "omg why it's such a big deal that they can hug opposite sex. i mean gay sex exist". Oh i dunno. Maybe because straight people exist. And most of the characters are straight (i can't say for everybody of course.) which causes them pain that they can't find a close one.

It's like this person don't understand that this series is about deeply disturbed people who by the end learn that their ways are wrong. And if they weren't like that and were good from the star there would be no story to tell. The entire premise is a damaged self-centered people learn how to be at least a little bit better.

Furuba is far from perfect, it's very slow and bland at start. But hearing that it's sexist-misoginistic-toxic and other buzzwords is one of the most stupid things i ever heard.

fiza_imran said:

Yes i understand that but you have to remember that this is shoujo. All the examples you've given are josei. Also not all females are interested in something specific.
Shoujo usually is about friendships, family and love lifes. That's what young girls can relate too , unlike josei where the story and characters are more mature.

fiza_imran said:
The 'feminazis' who hate tohru because she's not a man hating, ass kicking protagonist. Because if you like chores and are polite to men you're automatically a weak female character.

Lain666 said:

I think Glass Mask is shoujo.
Anyway, I have also examples of shoujo like Akagami no Shirayuki-hime where the main heroine likes biology. I prefer Yona too with her interest in swordsmanship and archery.

I like the relationships/friendships/family stuff, but the longer manga is, the better if there is more to main characters than these relationships in my opinion.


Well, for me it Tohru is just an uninteresting character. I do not care much for Tohru to be able to kick asses, though I would most likely find Tohru more interesting if she were interested in martial arts.

I suppose, since I am interested in computer science and study it, I would like her way better, if Tohru were interested in physics or mathematics or something like this and it was well executed, but this is just mine personal preference.

Lain666 said:


I like the relationships/friendships/family stuff, but the longer manga is, the better if there is more to main characters than these relationships in my opinion.

fiza_imran said:



Bless you honestly that's exactly what i wanted to say