Tensei shitara Slime Datta Ken Episode 18 Discussion

Hegar said:
Good episode! I love Rimuru's voice. Usually I don't pay attention to what voices sound like, but his is so cute, it does a lot for the character.

Wait - he has NEVER revealed he was a human before, and now he reveals it to these outsiders who just arrived in the city. Not to his trusted lieutenants. I was waiting for this, expecting the revelation would get some gasps and thoughts from his council. But here it's just like a by-the-way mention. A missed opportunity, I think.

Why NOT send the demon who is ten times stronger than Rimuru? If he dies, it's bad not just for him but for everyone who relies on him.

See, this is the problem with a demon character like her. Like I pointed out in the last episode discussion, she is too much. A huge fish in a small pond. Now they need a contrived explanation for keeping her from solving the problem. Just like modern detective stories have to come up with ways to exclude "Just call the police with your cellphone, you don't have to rush in yourself". (The excuses are always: forgot the phone, the phone got crushed, the battery died, or - there is no cover even though they're right outside New Orleans.)

And as I said back then, it is unrealistic that demon lords would live in the mortal world - for centuries or even millennia - without having laid waste to it, or enslaved everyone. If for nothing else then because they're bored. They have nothing else to do - no job, no families. They're just sitting there. And they're DEMONS, the personification of evil, the enemies of all life. The creatures of the abyss - usually it's an entire adventure just to stop one of them from materializing in the mortal world, because they will immediately start the slaughter and the eating of souls.

So, the solution is - ignore the "demon" part. From now on I'll just think of them as demigods.

Are we even sure that the Japanese version says "demon"?

vipergod said:

about ur first question well its not like he was hiding that he was human in prev life ,noone asked about it and until now he was interacting with monsters so him being a prev human would not help him at all, but in this arc he wanted to be friends with humans and humans country ,so its helpful now!
about ur second question demon lords or monsters are just a different race and creatures from humans and other fairy type creatures! that doesn't mean they need to be bad .we are not reading bible!
we also have different type of things that are simply translated to demons or monster in eng for more explanation i added this from wiki :

kramXD said:
all the people complaining how fast the pace last week lmao this y'all fault, now it won't even get past manga SMFH this is record breaking slow pace even for this show



If Rimuru can't use predator on Milim who's a demon lord that's 10 times stronger than him and Charybdis is on a demon lord level then obviously he also can't with Charybdis

But if you really wanna know

Hegar said:

I'm not saying he was hiding it - just that it was a missed opportunity to deliver it as an almost offhand mention. Furthermore, that IS the kind of thing you tell your own people first. Especially if you are the leader.

Heck, for all he knows that could have major implications. He is no expert on this world, as he has admitted. It simply is odd to reveal something big to outsiders before you tell your own.

Imagine if they spread this in the city now. People would say, "What? Rimuru never told US he was actually a human. But he tells these outsiders, who happen to be ... human. What the hell, R-sama?"

It isn't the Bible. But it COMES from the Bible, where demons are demons. There is not a single good demon - they are demons exactly because they are evil, since before that they were angels. So the whole point of "demon" is that it's an evil creature from the realm of evil. It's like Djinn in the Middle East, creatures of evil. It's simply a misuse of the word to make them good. It's kind of like having someone called a murderer, but he hasn't actually killed anyone. But this is Japan - take foreign stuff because it looks cool and then change it. "Merry Kurismas, have some Kurismas caku before you go out Kurismas dating!"

Atavistic said:


Yeah, I'll fully admit that that's just a nitpick on my part. I just thought it was odd that they use that name for it when they could use something that makes a little more sense for what it is, but if the author is just using it to make it sound cool I suppose it works well enough for the purpose.

As for the rest about them refusing Milim's help (not quoted so this page doesn't just turn into a quote wall), the reasoning does make sense as the Kijin have shown themselves to be quite prideful of both themselves and Rimuru's abilities. However, my issue with it mostly comes from the way it was presented as Milim wanting to help (and Rimuru wanting her to help) and Shion refusing and giving a pretty weak surface reason for it. I'd have probably been able to more easily accept it if she (or Rimuru, or whoever) mentioned the collateral damage issue or the fact that Milim won't always be there as the reason, but the reason she stated (that it's a problem for the people of Tempest) seemed a little unfair and arbitrary: after all, even if it isn't permanent Milim is currently as much of a resident there as the rest of them so certainly has as much of a right to help as anyone else.

I suppose calling that lazy at this stage is a tad harsh, but if they can't defeat Charybdis on their own and use Milim for it then I think it will have become a justified comment at that point. Until then, I guess we'll just have to wait and see (and I really hope this isn't dragged out until the very end (or at least before the special final two episodes)).

Haxr57 said:

or maybe rimuru is gonna free veldora and take his form to defeat him

Atavistic said:
Oh boy, another episode consisting of glacial pacing, tons of dull and tedious dialogue and yet more lazy and arbitrary plotting (Shion refusing Milim's help is just stupidly bad and lazy writing, especially when she actively wants to help; it's not forcing her to help if she wants to you fucking morons). Good attempt to build hype, but this show's glacial pacing and flat dialogue and characters once again ruined it.

Also, why the hell is Charybdis a flying monster here? That's almost as far away from the Charybdis of Greek mythology as you can possibly get.

Also, before I inevitably get loads of people quoting me for having the audacity to insult their "perfect little isekai", I have zero interest in your comments calling me stupid or telling me to read the manga or whatever, so don't even bother.

This show is still enjoyable at times, but it's also overrated to an absurd degree.

vipergod said:

u r wrong Demons are not from bible. bible just uses the word "demon" to represent bad creatures. here is some history for u :(its not a spoiler from series it just a brief history of the word demon)

basically Demons are bad in ibrahimic religions! and we got different word from different cultures that simply translated to demon in English but have different meaning and vibes. for example u mentioned word Djin from middle east. it doesn't mean creature of evil! جن or الجن in Arabic form means something mysterious and hidden from humans.
same goes for akuma majin mao kijin etc..

2ego said:
Hmm, out of all episodes this one must be the most boring one, personally for me, just felt very slow.

redcobra said:


Just GTFO because trash people like you most episode get rush skip scene and become bad.

nightcrawlercyp said:
Bible definetely does mention demons although they are called by other words generally as fallen angels or satans. The word demon is a greek word that become used later. Also the Abrahamic religions do not include islam. There is no connection between islam and Abraham in any way, rather islam is a pagan arabic religion revamped. A demon in judeo-christian lore is a spiritual being also called angel that rebelled against God and become a being of evil. And since these entities cannot attack God directly they attack humans because humans are made in God's image. Is just like defacing someone's poster/picture when displayed in a public place. The japanese name for demon is Youkai and just as the islamic Djinn and other pagan traditions is a beeing that has a material body and can reproduce unlike the judeo christian demons. In the anime the demon lords are simply magic beings with incredible power that they generally use to their own amusement.

A demon in judeo-christian lore is a spiritual being also called angel that rebelled against God and become a being of evil. And since these entities cannot attack God directly they attack humans because humans are made in God's image. Is just like defacing someone's poster/picture when displayed in a public place.

japanese name for demon is Youkai and just as the islamic Djinn and other pagan traditions is a beeing that has a material body and can reproduce unlike the judeo christian demons.

vipergod said:

dude im pretty sure my religious and cultural knowledge is pretty good, even thou im an atheist. im not here to fight for or fight against any culture/religion. but Islam is an abrahamic religion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

as for this part of ur reply:

i don't see any conflict with what i said, i just said Demon is not equal to Bad! its just bad in abarahamic believes and some others

yet again u r wrong about this part and u call other religion Pagan which is not really respectful:

no i explained in arabic Djin(الجن) means a being thats is hidden from humans and they don't have physical or material form and djin are totally different from "شیاطین" which means "devils"!
and Japanese have many different name and meaning for word "Demon" that i explained some of them in my prev comment!

nightcrawlercyp said:

1. Islam is not Abrahamic. There is no piece of evidence apart from Mohamed saying so linking the two and the teachings of islam contradict both the teachings of the Torah and the Bible which according to Mohamed itself makes it a false religion. Furthermore even if by some miracle Mohammed would descend from Abraham God promised to keep his promise to Isaac not Ishmael and also the prophecies speak of the prophet having a direct lineage from David which Mohamed never even claimed.
2.all demons are bad because their actions are destructive and because they are motivated by their deep hatred for humans.They are incspable of asking for forgiveness from their mistakes. If they did they would become angels again.
3.I do not see how is disrespectful. It just mean they worship other gods than the judeo christian God and clearly the god of islam is not the same entity but Lucifer the father of lies. The Quran even says that Allah is the greatest deceiver.
4.In islamic mythology djinn divide by strength into djinn efreet and shaitan. Just as the word angel is a word that can describe all angelic beings including cherubim seraphim thrones or can be used to describe the lowest group of angels in a similar manner djinn has double meaning.
5. japanese have various words for demons including youkai and oni, your point being?

kramXD said:
all the people complaining how fast the pace last week lmao this y'all fault, now it won't even get past manga SMFH this is record breaking slow pace even for this show



If Rimuru can't use predator on Milim who's a demon lord that's 10 times stronger than him and Charybdis is on a demon lord level then obviously he also can't with Charybdis

But if you really wanna know

vipergod said:

1 -yet again u r fighting like a crusader knight i told u im not here to fight for regions i just gave u source for islam being an abrahamic religion i do not care if u believe it is or its not i don't even believe in religions at all:
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Abrahamic_religions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religion
2-for fuck sake how many times should i repeat myself Demons in fucking abrahamic religions are bad, bad they are not bad any many different cultures
3-yet again i don't give a shit about religions i told u. but i said calling other ppls religion Pagan religion on a fucking anime forum is not the best idea and very respectful!
4-no u r wrong about that!
5-youkai is not the demon that anime is referring to! + its different from arabic believes

nightcrawlercyp said:
4. How am I wrong ? can you argument it?
5. my point is both djinn and youkai can supposedly be good or bad and both can have children with humans while all demons are bad and cannot conceive children with humans.

vipergod said:

5.for the 1000th time word "demon" is not equal to biblical demon which is a bad thing that can not have children .youkai are not like djin they are different!
4-in Islamic believes djin are different from devil"shayatin" and efrits are type of djins, shayatin(devils) are Iblis(satan) a fallen angel and his subordinates that are made of fire, while Djin are different race, they are not related to devils-shayatin and angels, they are made of fire without the smoke. they are not necessary bad or good, while all devils are bad
efferit is type djin that is often used to do manipulative things

nightcrawlercyp said:
Is clear this will not lead anywhere. I can only advice you not to rely so much on wikipedia for theology if you want to clear out things. It is clear to me your knowledge is pretty vague and confused. But let's agree that demons and youkai are different and leave it at that.

Hegar said:
Good episode! I love Rimuru's voice. Usually I don't pay attention to what voices sound like, but his is so cute, it does a lot for the character.

Wait - he has NEVER revealed he was a human before, and now he reveals it to these outsiders who just arrived in the city. Not to his trusted lieutenants. I was waiting for this, expecting the revelation would get some gasps and thoughts from his council. But here it's just like a by-the-way mention. A missed opportunity, I think.

Why NOT send the demon who is ten times stronger than Rimuru? If he dies, it's bad not just for him but for everyone who relies on him.

See, this is the problem with a demon character like her. Like I pointed out in the last episode discussion, she is too much. A huge fish in a small pond. Now they need a contrived explanation for keeping her from solving the problem. Just like modern detective stories have to come up with ways to exclude "Just call the police with your cellphone, you don't have to rush in yourself". (The excuses are always: forgot the phone, the phone got crushed, the battery died, or - there is no cover even though they're right outside New Orleans.)

And as I said back then, it is unrealistic that demon lords would live in the mortal world - for centuries or even millennia - without having laid waste to it, or enslaved everyone. If for nothing else then because they're bored. They have nothing else to do - no job, no families. They're just sitting there. And they're DEMONS, the personification of evil, the enemies of all life. The creatures of the abyss - usually it's an entire adventure just to stop one of them from materializing in the mortal world, because they will immediately start the slaughter and the eating of souls.

So, the solution is - ignore the "demon" part. From now on I'll just think of them as demigods.

Are we even sure that the Japanese version says "demon"?

shimada_m said:
Just a question: What are Milim true intention for staying in Rimuru Town? Is she planning something? [possible spoiler]

vipergod said:
u r wrong Demons are not from bible. bible just uses the word "demon" to represent bad creatures. here is some history for u :(its not a spoiler from series it just a brief history of the word demon)

jaw201 said:
Okay for one, just because Millim is a "Demon" Lord doesn't mean she is a demon. A Demon Lord in the Tensura universe is a title rather than an actual species. Millim is a dragonoid, not a demon/devil. There are Demons/devils that exist, but a Demon Lord can be from any species, even a Human can be a Demon lord. And Demon Lords aren't "evil" in the traditional sense either, the same can also be said for demons/devils in Tensura's universe.

Hegar said:


Another kiddie who can't stand hearing the merest criticism of a beloved show without resorting to passive-aggressive language. "Okay for one" - Sorry I stepped on your feet. You must be a treat in real life. "Well, ACKSHUALLYYYY...."

"Demon Lord doesn't mean she is a demon."

ROTFLOL That was hilarious. I'm still laughing.

Next up: "okay, for one, you do realize that just because it's called FOOD doesn't mean it's FOOD, huh? Do ya?" Though considering Shinon's cooking, that might actually be true.

"And Demon Lords aren't "evil" in the traditional sense either"

Heh, that's exactly what I'm saying. That was the point I was making. And thanks for acknowledging that demons ARE evil - but still not presented as such in this anime. (Sorry: "in this universe" carries more weight.)

Meew2 said:
Lol white whale copycat
Why is all isekai an amalgamation lacking any originality?

jaw201 said:


Not really a spoiler, but she kind of does whatever she wants.

q1w2e3r4t5 said:
Cringe so hard at Fabio’s idiocracy. Clowns got him hook, line, and sinker.

SkyLETV said:
Fuck yeah! Milim's original outfit is back, just for a few seconds tho. I hope to see it more times.



At least we got a new outfit and of course she looks cute in it :3

SkyLETV said:
Fuck yeah! Milim's original outfit is back, just for a few seconds tho. I hope to see it more times.



At least we got a new outfit and of course she looks cute in it :3

nina444 said:

Fabio ain't really that idiot , he's just a prideful dude . Ergo in order to prove himself , he thought he had to take the risk . at all cost . it's as simple as that .
Pride is one of the nastiest sin after all XD

nina444 said:

Fabio ain't really that idiot , he's just a prideful dude . Ergo in order to prove himself , he thought he had to take the risk . at all cost . it's as simple as that .
Pride is one of the nastiest sin after all XD

Haxr57 said:

or maybe rimuru is gonna free veldora and take his form to defeat him

P4TRICS said:
I think this anime is a little bit slow and the fight scenes are to short.But i believe this new enemy make me feel better about it :D But Rimuru style is so Unique (and cute) for me,being all the time "calm" and try to make peace is new for a shounen anime.

q1w2e3r4t5 said:
Vegeta is even more prideful, but isn’t as foolish as to trust two shady clowns

Hegar said:


Poor little kid, think you know history better than I do. Starting your reply with "u r wrong" and then "here is some history for u" - can't argue without sounding snyde and condescending, can you? Then I have no reason to treat your ridiculous attempt with any respect. It is laughable to claim that "demons are not from the Bible". I know the word has another meaning before that, without having to resort to Wikipedia. I also know that the Bible OVERWHELMINGLY defines the word, and without the Bible version of demons there's no way these Japanese anime producers would know about demons.

You sound a bit autistic when you cling to a minimally used definition of demon, merely a speck today, rather than the overwhelming definition used for thousands of years. Especially since it's very clear from the anime that they DO base their demons on the Bible version like everybody else - with their demons cruelly summoning and killing with no regard for human life. If they were based on the minuscule remains of "demon" as the word was used once upon a time, then they'd simply be spirits. But thanks for playing.


" i have studied religions and cultures for more than 10 years im pretty good with that."

The debate trick Appeal to Authority doesn't work when it's an appeal to your own authority. And if you are such a scholar - ten years of arduous studies, after all - you should be able to reply to very slight criticism of a show without resorting to snide remarks. You get what you give.

without the Bible version of demons there's no way these Japanese anime producers would know about demons.