Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari Episode 3 Discussion

Ryuuryota said:
she grows physically and mentally as she levels up, there was no timeskip was you even paying attention lol.
the animation during the wave was great what you on about? the villages looked genuinly fearing for their lives.
why the 3 heros didn't bother protecting the village is simple, they are bad, selfish people they just wanted to kill the boss and collect the reward from the king and take the credit. Your reasons are stupid they are incorrect, you didn't even pay attention to the anime, no wonder you give such a poor review because you simply are too stupid to understand what is going on, or you watch with your eyes shut, good job mate.

ACornelis said:


Holy shit you're so deluded it's actually concerning. HOW WAS THE WAVE WELL ANIMATED? Literally 3D bees and skeletons AFKing infront of the villagers?! LAZY. Were we even watching the same episode?

Also how was it not a time skip? She literally went from 9 yr old to 16 out of nowhere. And even if she grows with levels we didn't get to see that at all? They were NOT level 19 which they were in episode 3 during the cave encounter.

Selfish and bad people.. I say boring plot device.

VKDOOM said:
Yeah trying to compare a 9-5 job that you are free to take or leave where you get paid is not and should not ever be compared to actual slavery where someone is sold off to another to be made to do whatever it is that person wants them to do.

It’s hard to consider why this show’s treatment of the slaveowner - slave relationship being considered okay if the slaveowner is “nice” is valid if it’s defenders are out here talking about how black people didn’t have it that bad and that the concept of slavery reflects into people who have the choice to take a job that pays them.

At the end of the day, this is a show where the main character buys a slave, literally hurts and abuses her to do things she doesn’t want too, and now the show wants to ignore all that because she has magically grown up and neither of them ever bring up the fact that she is his slave. Seems very problematic to me. I can overlook the rape accusation because there are many external factors in this show that don’t relate to real life for why people believed her instead of the Shield Hero, but this slavery aspect has been done very poorly and implies that as long as you treat someone nice, it’s okay for them to be your slave.

Ryuuryota said:
wtf you on about they weren't afk sure they weren't rushing down the villagers but they were still surrounding the villagers and attacking them but the shield hero saved them by blocking most of their attacks or luring them was you even watching some of the villagers died due to them "afk" monsters lmao idiot. There was no timeskip i just explained to you when she levels up not only do her stats go up but she gets physically older and mentally older. that's why she is more mentally sound and physically bigger are you thick try paying attention to the anime or actually reading my comment smh a small amount of time had passed from episode 2 to episode 3 about a few weeks enough for raf and the main to level up to around 20ish they first wave was already said to be impending from the first episode, about a month from the first ep is when the first wave would hit. I don't know where you get the idea that it's a 7 year time skip lmao. Rewatch all the episodes then come back to me.

ACornelis said:


I didn't say it was a 7 year timeskip lol. I said we didn't get to see them level up to that level, which we didn't.

You are just fanboying the show and you literally just deny reality, watch the wave again. Tell me the monsters aren't standing around doing nothing, because i sure as hell remember me and my friends watching it and laughing at how poor it was.

Ryuuryota said:
"I didn't say it was a 7 year timeskip lol."
"Also how was it not a time skip? She literally went from 9 yr old to 16 out of nowhere." why you lieing. they leved up a fair bit inbetween ep 2 to ep 3 like i said a few weeks of training at best, you need to go rewatch it because people died, people were attacked and shield hero and raf saved alot of deaths.
Not even fanboyin just telling some idiot to not bash a show that he can't even recall correctly what happens and misunderstands half of it shows how much attention you payed twat, lets end this convo you can't argue with stupid.

VKDOOM said:



At the end of the day, this is a show where the main character buys a slave, literally hurts and abuses her to do things she doesn’t want too, and now the show wants to ignore all that because she has magically grown up and neither of them ever bring up the fact that she is his slave. Seems very problematic to me. I can overlook the rape accusation because there are many external factors in this show that don’t relate to real life for why people believed her instead of the Shield Hero, but this slavery aspect has been done very poorly and implies that as long as you treat someone nice, it’s okay for them to be your slave.

Killuan said:


It's almost as if some people lose their sense of reality when slavery is involved. He literally saved her life, fed her, protected her, helped her to overcome her fears, gave her a purpose. And yes, he very rarely hurt her because of the slaver command. Being a slave was originally a gimmick to make sure Raphtalias fears didn't prevent her from fighting. Raphtalia now wants to be Naofumi's sword. Slave command is no longer useful to Naofumi. He finds no pleasure in using it on her.

Naofumi was labeled a rapist. No one wanted to party with him and he was unable to fight for himself and there is an impending wave coming that will kill him if he doesn't prepare in time. Naofumi needed Raphtalia and he could not simply purchase her without also using her. However, he took care of her, and he respected her to the best that his situation allowed. The one thing he required of Raphtalia was to fight, but she wasn't a mere tool in his arsenal-- he was her shield and he protected her from getting hurt on multiple occasions...at the expense of his own well-being.

Raphtalia looked up to Naofumi even before she grew older. The fear of losing Naofumi was greater than the fear of the 2-headed dog that looked like the one that killed her parents. There was no better alternative for Raphtalia. Naofumi was her gateway to salvation. The country is rotten, demi-humans are treated like trash...and she was a slave who was abused by all of her previous masters. Naofumi can't purchase her and then not use her. He would be left penniless and would be fodder in the first wave. The best thing he was able to do for her was make sure she is healthy and happy, and in return she must fight for him because he cannot.

Devil_Slayer said:

Next episode is gonna trigger A LOT of people.

VeryLTTP said:

"Episode 4 of The Rising of the Shield Hero is problematic because it sympathizes with rapists"

"The end of Shield Hero, Episode 4 clearly shows Raphtalia suffering from Stockholm Syndrome and internalized misogyny"

What else did I miss? :P

Demyx_IX said:
The LN doesn't cover the other heroes, so there's literally no point showing more than what they did during the Wave. Next episode should explain why Raphtalia is an adult now.

VKDOOM said:
In this show, just because the MC is nice to Raphtalia doesn’t hide the fact that he is a slaveowner and it doesn’t make it okay that the show is now trying to sweep this under the rug to act like they’re equals when he clearly can force her to do anything he asks of her. The writing is irresponsible to take such a messed up dynamic and try to just pretend it is something else. She is abused as a child because of who she is, but that doesn’t mean it’s okay for her to be groomed into a warrior by force just because it’s the better “alternative”. There needed to be a lot more calling out of the slavery dynamics and the oppression these slaves go through. Not just trying to justify why the MC needs a slave and how after hurting her and forcing her to be a warrior, she’s just grown up now and they’re “partners”

One can try to use this scenario on actual slaves too, who were abused their entire lives and perhaps felt their scenario was better under a “kind” slaveowner who fed them and was nice to them rather than whipping him. So Is it okay because an oppressed and abused person finds a better life with a slaveowner because he’s a “good” one?

I think of Game of Thrones as an example of something that handles the slavery angle very nicely where’s Daenerys finds herself in a position to be a “slaveowner” to the Unsullied. She instead has them fight and kill their oppressors and then gives them the choice to fight for her or be free and do what they want. They choose to fight for her because they’re moved by her.

In this show, just because the MC is nice to Raphtalia doesn’t hide the fact that he is a slaveowner and it doesn’t make it okay that the show is now trying to sweep this under the rug to act like they’re equals when he clearly can force her to do anything he asks of her. The writing is irresponsible to take such a messed up dynamic and try to just pretend it is something else. She is abused as a child because of who she is, but that doesn’t mean it’s okay for her to be groomed into a warrior by force just because it’s the better “alternative”. There needed to be a lot more calling out of the slavery dynamics and the oppression these slaves go through. Not just trying to justify why the MC needs a slave and how after hurting her and forcing her to be a warrior, she’s just grown up now and they’re “partners”

VKDOOM said:
One can try to use this scenario on actual slaves too...

So Is it okay because an oppressed and abused person finds a better life with a slaveowner because he’s a “good” one?

I think of Game of Thrones as an example of something that handles the slavery angle very nicely where’s Daenerys finds herself in a position to be a “slaveowner” to the Unsullied. She instead has them fight and kill their oppressors and then gives them the choice to fight for her or be free and do what they want. They choose to fight for her because they’re moved by her.

In this show, just because the MC is nice to Raphtalia doesn’t hide the fact that he is a slaveowner...

...and it doesn’t make it okay that the show is now trying to sweep this under the rug to act like they’re equals when he clearly can force her to do anything he asks of her.

The writing is irresponsible to take such a messed up dynamic and try to just pretend it is something else.

She is abused as a child because of who she is, but that doesn’t mean it’s okay for her to be groomed into a warrior by force just because it’s the better “alternative”.

There needed to be a lot more calling out of the slavery dynamics and the oppression these slaves go through.

Not just trying to justify why the MC needs a slave and how after hurting her and forcing her to be a warrior, she’s just grown up now and they’re “partners”

Greenlandball said:
it's because the heroes focused on fighting the bost instead of dealing with the waves properly by killing the low level creeps first, they're not even heroes, heroes are supposed to save lives and protect people but instead they went straight to the boss instead of protecting the village, that just shows that they're assholes, Naofumi is the only one who isn't an asshole

-Stray said:
Im no novel reader but am a manga reader, did they just skip
Shield bro and blacksmith Bro's moment!? its the img above, this happened after he gave Naofumi that tribal armor.
They're adapting 2 chapters per ep, at this rate we may even surpass pope arc but I doubt it, unless they rush the hell out of it.

Not that I'm saying the other heroes didnt do jack but they did beat the boss, that at least counts for something, but it was 3 of them with their full party while Naofumi was alone only with Raph.

And also, Raph's tone sounds more and more similar to her Mai role! LOVING THIS SO DAMN MUCH!

The way those heroes were lookin at Naofumi triggered me to no end, especially when that damn bitch and spear dick started talking.

EDIT:
Anyways, with that being said, get your feels ready for NEP, it'll be a roller coaster.

Nain said:


Naofumi's hatred and resentment isn't very well adapted in the first place. That scene wouldn't as meaningful as it was in the manga because Naofumi just isn't quite as obviously disturbed here.

WhiteRaven1989 said:


I've read the manga and light novel, too, so yeah ... I'm missing some of his jibes and taunts. ^^

Huex3 said:


I just saw the chapter 51 raw and it seems even manga is diverging from LN.

VKDOOM said:
Yeah trying to compare a 9-5 job that you are free to take or leave where you get paid is not and should not ever be compared to actual slavery where someone is sold off to another to be made to do whatever it is that person wants them to do.

It’s hard to consider why this show’s treatment of the slaveowner - slave relationship being considered okay if the slaveowner is “nice” is valid if it’s defenders are out here talking about how black people didn’t have it that bad and that the concept of slavery reflects into people who have the choice to take a job that pays them.

At the end of the day, this is a show where the main character buys a slave, literally hurts and abuses her to do things she doesn’t want too, and now the show wants to ignore all that because she has magically grown up and neither of them ever bring up the fact that she is his slave. Seems very problematic to me. I can overlook the rape accusation because there are many external factors in this show that don’t relate to real life for why people believed her instead of the Shield Hero, but this slavery aspect has been done very poorly and implies that as long as you treat someone nice, it’s okay for them to be your slave.

Jk9 said:
That's really unfair for the Shield Hero, man. He did really well saving that village...the other three heroes are just a bullshit...only showing off your power without a real goal or reason is just a bullshit.

man_with_a_beard said:
Did anyone else notice that they kind of toned down the hatred Naofumi has towards the other heroes. I mean in the manga version of the scene at the hourglass the anger you see in Naofumis is severe. But in the animated version he just walks off. And the part after in the hotel room when he just tells her it doesn't concern you.

Don't get me wrong, I can see what they were going for when directing it that way.

It's just what made Naofumi stand out for me as a terrific protagonist was his extreme hatred towards the other 3. For an Isekai it's something I'd never seen before. Hopefully it will shine in the next episode.

The people see Naofumi as a true hero, protecting them. The others are just glory seekers, defeating as much enemies in order to receive a reward.

Cambeezee said:
quite a timeskip there thought it was rushed but it executed well, hope it wont end like sao

Demyx_IX said:


It's not that much of a time skip actually, not even 10 seconds into the episode it had ONLY been a week since the battle in the coal pit, aka the fight with the two headed dog. There have been plenty of animes that jump 'weeks/months' from one episode to the next. Shit, just look at the first season of SAO. Several months take place between the end of episode 1 and episode 2. And the same thing happens when starting episode 3. a long period of time takes place between not only where episode 2 left off, but also how far a long it jumps when Kirito takes on the boss on his own.

ACornelis said:


Hah, what a joker. Right back at you bud.

If you can't pick up on the fact that this episode was poor and had horrendously lazy animation you're just too used to watching trash (which you are).

ACornelis said:


I didn't say it was a 7 year timeskip lol. I said we didn't get to see them level up to that level, which we didn't.

You are just fanboying the show and you literally just deny reality, watch the wave again. Tell me the monsters aren't standing around doing nothing, because i sure as hell remember me and my friends watching it and laughing at how poor it was.

VeryLTTP said:
What else did I miss? :P

Huex3 said:
I just saw the chapter 51 raw and it seems even manga is diverging from LN.

Red_Ranger_Wien said:

Would you care to explain why you think it was bad?

nightcrawlercyp said:
You say comparing a 9 to 5 job to slavery is incorrect, but you base this just on not seeing physical chains. But it is virtually the same thing. Wage slavery is a thing. Also please understand that in slavery one can sell himself as a slave for a time to pay off some debt or gain some material gains . So considering this one can understand why 9 to 5 jobs are slavery. You sell most of your time for money that are just above the money you need to survive. In ancient slavery the slave owner would assure for you food, clothing, shelter and even some spending money in some cases but never enough to exit the state of slave. In modern wage slavery you get paid just enough to go on not enough to exit the situation. In the end in both you sell time of your life. And if you believe you can just leave , well you can but then what? Choose a diferent slave owner and hope for the best? starve? go to jail?
About having the choice to get the job, the slaves had the choice also to leave in most cases. yes there were consequences and as there are consequences if you just leave your job. The miners that were scrip slaves had the choice to leave . So yes you can choose to leave and die, can choose to change your owner or choose to stay. Unfortunately the option to be free and be paid for the result of your work rather than your time is not available so much in this day.

Reload said:
@VKDOOM: All your complaining about is the MC's title: Master. With that logic, every series where the villain is killed by the protag, gives them the title: Murderer. If I were to compare this to RL, your implying military veterans are bad even though what they did was in service to their nation. Your basically comparing fiction to nonfiction. When watching/reading fiction in general, you should separate the two. Our concept of morality only applies if the setting establishes it. One example would be superhero comics. Most heroes make an effort to cherish all life, villains included. The protags usually live in a society where murder is unlawful and incarceration is the alternative. As for the alternative to slavery, it'd be contract jobs. One must complete a specific job within a specified time frame. MC and the other heroes in this series are no different. They were forcefully summoned from their respective worlds, and forced to fight for complete strangers till the waves stop. Hardly anyone brings attention to the fact that they themselves are slaves. You only decide to complain about it when the MC does it himself because he's actually tangible, as opposed to the ritual that summoned them. Talk about late. Does the fact that the other 3 heroes seeing it as a game and not incurring punishment justify them being forced to fight? They're teleported to the danger zone and can't return home until their job is done, so excessive force isn't even needed.

Point I'm try to make is that the world the heroes were sent to does not see slavery as immoral; therefore, no attention is brought to it. The series doesn't depict it as good or bad. It's simply accepted in the world they were sent to. The reason Raphtalia was chosen to begin with was because she was already on death's door, and MC needed some justification for doing something he himself knew to be immoral. His justification was saving her life to prolong his own. If you believe the MC should release her afterward, then it becomes a question of when. I hope you don't believe the MC plans to remain a slave owner throughout the whole story. I also hope you didn't think the MC became a slave owner because he wanted to. If anything, he himself doesn't want to force anyone to do anything. This is the biggest difference between fiction and nonfiction. IRL, slave owners, good or bad, treated their slave(s) as property. Though Raphtalia calls herself the MC's sword, he doesn't once agree with her. There is no master-slave relationship between the two, so why bring attention to it? I'd complain as well if that's how they were depicted, but they aren't. Masters don't fight alongside slaves for a common goal, and slaves don't defend their masters of their own freewill. Can you really call it a master-servant relationship looking at their actions, and not their titles?

In any case, the adaptation isn't finished yet. For all we know, attention may get brought to slavery later in the story. I've never watch GOT, but I'm pretty sure attention isn't brought to it every single episode. Your complaints are too early to judge the series as a whole.

VKDOOM said:
It isnt just his title. It is what he does, considering he acts like a slaveowner as well. A "nice" one sure, but he clearly shows he owns her and he even hurts her to do things she doesn't want to do. Again, I am not saying you can't tell a story about someone who commands slaves, but this show is going about it in a very irresponsible way where we see this initial form of abuse and then it decides to just take a time skip from her young levels to where she looks like a grown up and the show now just pretends they are "equals", entirely just skipping what their relation really is. My issue is with how this relationship has been presented and all the problematic aspects of it are just skipped over. It actually feels kinda fucked up considering her trope of essentially worshipping this guy when he has a clear authority over her.