Anyone else kinda annoyed over how important characters suddenly come back to life after being presumed dead?
| It's something that I've noticed for a while now, but there are quite a lot of shows where there's always some character that has a whole death segment only to be revived shortly later. FMA:B, Gintama, Charlotte, Banana Fish, Clannad AS, Beyond the Boundary, and from what I've heard this seasons The Promised Neverland, it's like if an important character is killed anywhere that's not the final stages of the show they will always miraculously live (of course there are exceptions) Don't get me wrong it's nice to see these characters come back to life and live happily ever after and such, but I honestly feel like this is a very cheap plot device used to invoke drama into the show, and a dramatic ending is much more impactful than a happy one imo (case in point NGNL:0) It's pretty much got to a point where I don't give a shit anymore when relevant characters die cause they more than likely will come back later Thoughts? |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| Pretty sure everyone who died in Banana Fish stayed dead though I don't mind authors reviving characters, I barely see it anyway. It only gets annoying if everyone is brought back, or a character is revived multiple times, otherwise if done in moderation it's fine. |
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I'm talking about when I guess technically he wasn't officially announced as dead, but the show heavily implied it was gonna happen |
'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| It really depends on the context of the world/characters and it's rules. If it's just shoehorned in (even within the proper context) it's a definite red flag and should be noted as a hindrance to a good story or event. For example, Shirou Emiya, while he never technically died there are many things that would have killed anybody else, it's done very well in his case and within the worlds rules, and enables him to have the ideals that he has otherwise he would be dead 20x over. This helps build the disdain characters have for him, including from the audience. An example of a shoehorn, it would be from Jojos and there are a couple actually but i'll focus on one, to avoid spoilers everybody who's seen it will know, it was within the worlds rules per se but it was a very dumb moment played for laughs and threw out a valuable moment. |
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| Unless they are formally pronounced dead, make no assumptions. |
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| Dragon Ball. The worst offender of this. |
| no because i'd also like to come back to life after being presumed dead at least once or twice until the novelty wears off |
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| im fine if its done logically and dramatically random sudden appearance would be a big no for me and it kills the anime meruem's comeback is a click for me and its one of those exceptions |
| In gintama's case it wasn't exactly a "coming back to life after being presumed dead" and i can see you're still half way through the series i assume you got spoiled ? , anyways when you get to the arc you will understand the whole thing MAYOISM said: im fine if its done logically and dramatically random sudden appearance would be a big no for me and it kills the anime meruem's comeback is a click for me and its one of those exceptions i agree |
IpreferEcchi said: Unless they are formally pronounced dead, make no assumptions. Wise words I, unfortunately, realized too late BlakexEkalb said: It certainly can be annoying. Having characters die repeatedly like Akame Ga Kill isn't the best either. Like you pointed out in the NGNL movie, those deaths were "satisfying" in a sense as it wasn't the typical ending. Literally people noawadays are becoming so used to happy endings where "YAY my character lives!". See Marvel: Infinity War. When I first saw the ending in theaters, I was SO HAPPY. The ending made me extremely satisfied that there was an actual threat and it showed by the amount of harm caused at the ending. Sadly, I hear that Spider-Man and Black Panther 2 are coming out, which just completely kills it. But literally you had people hating on the movie because of the "bad ending", like wtf? That shows how brainwashed people have succumbed to complete happy endings. People like stakes, but people like it more when the stakes are followed through. tldr: a character coming back to life isn't completely bad, but it has become a medium that is overused. Character deaths bring more drama and progression too the story and help the story add stakes. Pretty much what I said lmao. 'Good' deaths make the show much more memorable than a simple happy ending BourBon-7so said: In gintama's case it wasn't exactly a "coming back to life after being presumed dead" and i can see you're still half way through the series i assume you got spoiled ? , anyways when you get to the arc you will understand the whole thing MAYOISM said: im fine if its done logically and dramatically random sudden appearance would be a big no for me and it kills the anime meruem's comeback is a click for me and its one of those exceptions i agree Funnily enough, Gintama was actually where I started to realize the reoccurrence. Maybe not the arc you're thinking of, as I didn't get spoiled on anything |
'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| In the right context and execution it is forgivable, but 90% of the time yeah it's dumb |
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Short_Circut said: IpreferEcchi said: Unless they are formally pronounced dead, make no assumptions. Wise words I, unfortunately, realized too late BlakexEkalb said: It certainly can be annoying. Having characters die repeatedly like Akame Ga Kill isn't the best either. Like you pointed out in the NGNL movie, those deaths were "satisfying" in a sense as it wasn't the typical ending. Literally people noawadays are becoming so used to happy endings where "YAY my character lives!". See Marvel: Infinity War. When I first saw the ending in theaters, I was SO HAPPY. The ending made me extremely satisfied that there was an actual threat and it showed by the amount of harm caused at the ending. Sadly, I hear that Spider-Man and Black Panther 2 are coming out, which just completely kills it. But literally you had people hating on the movie because of the "bad ending", like wtf? That shows how brainwashed people have succumbed to complete happy endings. People like stakes, but people like it more when the stakes are followed through. tldr: a character coming back to life isn't completely bad, but it has become a medium that is overused. Character deaths bring more drama and progression too the story and help the story add stakes. Pretty much what I said lmao. 'Good' deaths make the show much more memorable than a simple happy ending BourBon-7so said: In gintama's case it wasn't exactly a "coming back to life after being presumed dead" and i can see you're still half way through the series i assume you got spoiled ? , anyways when you get to the arc you will understand the whole thing i agree Funnily enough, Gintama was actually where I started to realize the reoccurrence. Maybe not the arc you're thinking of, as I didn't get spoiled on anything Which death are we talking about btw edit : nvm i can tell which one now , yeah sorry i completely was thinking of a different arc |
7soJan 11, 2019 1:21 PM
| HXH or SNK is one of the anime which is considered "DEATH is DEATH", and Fairy tail is one of the anime which I considered "Death is not the end" or maybe I should pick Dragonball for this. but if i have to pick between those two type anime I go another one which is naruto where the death is not just a death, and setting how some of important character death is so sad and dramatic. |
| Depends a lot of the context. There are many characters I wish they´d come back, but at the same time, it might be weird. Picking my favorite, Bungo Stray Dogs, an important change wouldn´t have happened if It´s sad, but the evolution of some characters happen because of this. Making the character reappear would make everything senseless...? I think. |
| "Could you not talk with me? I'm busy breathing." |
| Yea it totally undercuts the emotional impact of the death scene, for me the worst offender was Steins Gate. |
True, in Dragon Ball there aren't really stakes anymore, and death is almost as threatening as a cold.  Nvm colds are serious business. |
BourBon-7so said: In gintama's case it wasn't exactly a "coming back to life after being presumed dead" manga spoils But 99% of the time yes, especially if it was a ridiculously ott death that would have zero chance of survival |
So I'm debating whether to watch this anime but don't want my soul destroyed so does that mean the character in the spoiler dies or not? |
Shuichi2 said: BourBon-7so said: In gintama's case it wasn't exactly a "coming back to life after being presumed dead" manga spoils But 99% of the time yes, especially if it was a ridiculously ott death that would have zero chance of survival |
Short_Circut said: It's something that I've noticed for a while now, but there are quite a lot of shows where there's always some character that has a whole death segment only to be revived shortly later. FMA:B, Gintama, Charlotte, Banana Fish, Clannad AS, Beyond the Boundary, and from what I've heard this seasons The Promised Neverland, it's like if an important character is killed anywhere that's not the final stages of the show they will always miraculously live (of course there are exceptions) Don't get me wrong it's nice to see these characters come back to life and live happily ever after and such, but I honestly feel like this is a very cheap plot device used to invoke drama into the show, and a dramatic ending is much more impactful than a happy one imo (case in point NGNL:0) It's pretty much got to a point where I don't give a shit anymore when relevant characters die cause they more than likely will come back later Thoughts? If you kill off the main characters you don't have a cast to carry through the rest of the story. It's as simple as that. Also the fact that the side characters usually don't get much attention either, would support the case that if they had to jump in as new main characters the story would just fall apart even more. Kind of like how Eren could not possible die in episode 5 or 6 when he was eaten by a titan. If you remove the OP main character out of your story you don't really have one anymore. |
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| I wonder if I could reasonably construe Heartcatch Precure! as intending to teach little girls how to move on after the death of a loved one. :thinking: It actually fits pretty well. ‘Would explain why its so grim for a kids show. Then again, I guess Gundam IBO is technically a kids show too. I still chuckle remembering how Toei and that TV channel got flamed with complaints by parents who assumed the show was safe for smaller kids when Mika started headshoting captives in cold blood. |
BourBon-7so said: Short_Circut said: Wise words I, unfortunately, realized too late Pretty much what I said lmao. 'Good' deaths make the show much more memorable than a simple happy ending Funnily enough, Gintama was actually where I started to realize the reoccurrence. Maybe not the arc you're thinking of, as I didn't get spoiled on anything Which death are we talking about btw edit : nvm i can tell which one now , yeah sorry i completely was thinking of a different arc Yep that's the one Shuichi2 said: So I'm debating whether to watch this anime but don't want my soul destroyed so does that mean the character in the spoiler dies or not? Yes VladimirNabokov said: Short_Circut said: It's something that I've noticed for a while now, but there are quite a lot of shows where there's always some character that has a whole death segment only to be revived shortly later. FMA:B, Gintama, Charlotte, Banana Fish, Clannad AS, Beyond the Boundary, and from what I've heard this seasons The Promised Neverland, it's like if an important character is killed anywhere that's not the final stages of the show they will always miraculously live (of course there are exceptions) Don't get me wrong it's nice to see these characters come back to life and live happily ever after and such, but I honestly feel like this is a very cheap plot device used to invoke drama into the show, and a dramatic ending is much more impactful than a happy one imo (case in point NGNL:0) It's pretty much got to a point where I don't give a shit anymore when relevant characters die cause they more than likely will come back later Thoughts? If you kill off the main characters you don't have a cast to carry through the rest of the story. It's as simple as that. Also the fact that the side characters usually don't get much attention either, would support the case that if they had to jump in as new main characters the story would just fall apart even more. Kind of like how Eren could not possible die in episode 5 or 6 when he was eaten by a titan. If you remove the OP main character out of your story you don't really have one anymore. But I mean, a lot of the cases I've seen either a main character was killed towards the end and subsequently revived (like FMA:B) or a lesser important character was killed in the middle and revived (like Charlotte). I agree though having main characters die early on prevents the story from continuing (which is why I knew right away Eren's death was bs) but killing them when the story is pretty much virtually done and then reviving them to me feels pretty cheap |
'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
Short_Circut said: Shuichi2 said: So I'm debating whether to watch this anime but don't want my soul destroyed so does that mean the character in the spoiler dies or not? Yes Thanks, think I'll give it a miss then |
| Fairy Tail and Sakigake Otokojuku are probably the worst, when I comes to bringing back dead characters. |
| ye ikr? I too hate it. I hated when and always hated when a character in FT did it. Why did Makarov never die? |
IpreferEcchi said: Unless they are formally pronounced dead, make no assumptions. Even then, you should wait until you see the body. Even then even then, sometimes none of that shit means anything. Example? Superman from the DCEU. |
Short_Circut said: But I mean, a lot of the cases I've seen either a main character was killed towards the end and subsequently revived (like FMA:B) or a lesser important character was killed in the middle and revived (like Charlotte). I agree though having main characters die early on prevents the story from continuing (which is why I knew right away Eren's death was bs) but killing them when the story is pretty much virtually done and then reviving them to me feels pretty cheap Main characters are usually the characters that most people relate to and/or like from the overall characters that appear in a series. So killing off a main characters is an effective way in evoking emotions from your viewers forcefully, or to make certain scenes/arcs even more powerful since your beloved character dies at the end, too. Just to come back in the next episode but it is the main character after all. You have this phenomena in a huge majority of Anime, not just your generic battle shounen, but in other Anime that usually don't get hated over it as well (Ghost in the Shell comes to mind, not technically coming back to life though really similar to it, if you know the franchise you will probably know what I mean). Though the main difference is usually how it is done. And that is exactly the point where me having a problem with certain characters coming back to life stops. As long as the reason is not just 'MC POWER #72121 - REVIVE' but an actual reason as to why they are not dead and come back, then I am fine with it. Though most of the time there is not such a reason, or merely such a superficial one that you might as well just disregard it entirely. Regarding dying to the end and coming back to life -> Happy end, they cannot die. :> |
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SithSteel said: IpreferEcchi said: Unless they are formally pronounced dead, make no assumptions. Even then, you should wait until you see the body. Even then even then, sometimes none of that shit means anything. Example? Superman from the DCEU. Or for the Lupin fans out there, if you perhaps recall Lupin III: Jigen's Gravestone, then you know what I mean. :> |
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| Rule of thumb is that unless you see the body itself die then chance that they are still alive. |
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VladimirNabokov said: SithSteel said: Even then, you should wait until you see the body. Even then even then, sometimes none of that shit means anything. Example? Superman from the DCEU. Or for the Lupin fans out there, if you perhaps recall Lupin III: Jigen's Gravestone, then you know what I mean. :> I do not recall that as I have not watched any part of the Lupin series. Good day. :p |
SithSteel said: I do not recall that as I have not watched any part of the Lupin series. Good day. :p Awh :< That is too bad, you should give it a try if you like episodic stuff. It's a great franchise if you were to ask me. Stayed pretty much the same quality wise since 1971. :> |
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VladimirNabokov said: SithSteel said: I do not recall that as I have not watched any part of the Lupin series. Good day. :p Awh :< That is too bad, you should give it a try if you like episodic stuff. It's a great franchise if you were to ask me. Stayed pretty much the same quality wise since 1971. :> Years ago, I watched part of one episode of Mine Fujiko. I think that's the name of the show, anyway. |
SithSteel said: Years ago, I watched part of one episode of Mine Fujiko. I think that's the name of the show, anyway. If you liked the cast or the concept give the '71 a try since it is where it starts and you get introduced to all the other main characters as well. After that you can just pretty much watch through whatever movie you want. |
The dearer you hold a memory the more painful it becomes. |
| One Piece does this too much. They're not very central characters, but it's still annoying. Short_Circut said: FMA:B, Gintama, Charlotte, Banana Fish, Clannad AS, Beyond the Boundary, and from what I've heard this seasons The Promised Neverland How about putting a spoiler warning here? I didn't need to know that about TPN. |
| Depends on how "dead" they were. Did we see a body? Were we given a sufficiently convincing explanation that didn't break the show's "rules". Also the setting because science fiction and fantasy genres can have advanced technology or magic that makes normally implausible things more believable in the context on the story without breaking it's own continuity. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke How much I like character whos been resurrected is a factor as well. Without getting super spoilery that's all I can really say about the subject. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. |
KruszerJan 12, 2019 6:57 PM
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| If the revivial has meanings and is relevant to the story, I don't mind. But if it's something like Tokyo Ghoul : re then it's shit. |
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| Yeah, sure. I think now that I've reached adulthood, more and more I notice how illogical Anime can be sometimes. It's not a big issue to me though. I enjoy it for what it is. |
| Depends of how it was done and the consequences of it. But, I do think it can make it "cheap" if not done right. I remember watching DBZ and not caring for any of the characters because I knew they would be back eventually. There were some sad scenes and all (Vegeta and Trunks scene ç-ç) but in the end I was like "Naah, he will be back" lol And it is not just anime |
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| It's annoying when it's obvious that they're going to come back, which is most of the time actually. I only ever thought the main character was really dead one time in a certain manga i read, because the author already killed off a major character before that point. |
| Well, maybe you're just too quick to jump to conclusions, assuming people are dead when it hasn't been confirmed. I've seen enough fiction to know when a death counts as confirmed and when it doesn't so I rarely have that issue. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| That didn't happen to me, as much as I remember... The closest to it when someone was thought to be dead, but it was wrong from the start. Or they were dying rather than dead. Or something like that. |
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