| It hurts to see how good was this manga during the first arc and how boring it has become, most of the good points it has were destroyed, and the mistery is gone (and not to uncover something magnificent or interesting -SNK style) but confusing and lame... What are your thoughs about it? |
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Aredros said: It hurts to see how good was this manga during the first arc and how boring it has become, most of the good points it has were destroyed, and the mistery is gone (and not to uncover something magnificent or interesting -SNK style) but confusing and lame... What are your thoughs about it? I think the same. It lost all of its mystery now. mangaka keeps stretching the story. it's really boring now. |
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| have to agree with you. I still like it tho, but not as much as the first arc |
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| I sadly have to agree, most of the tension is gone. |
| Wow, I am only at chapter 35, but it is a shame hearing that the series isn't that entertaining anymore. |
| I think there's some preeeeeeeeeetty dope shit after the first arc but the current cul-de-sac we're on is pretty asinine. EDIT: also the mystery shit in SNK is fucking awful Lol |
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biel15rs said: yeah, I think it was because most of the mindgames came from Norman even emma and ray being smart as well. I liked the tension of goldy pond, it was a good story. But the current story seems '' dragged ''. For me it was the setup of the first arc, it wasnt a battle of strength but intellect, a well written prison break story, now... well now I dont know what the hell it is anymore, but they are going very shounen (and a bad one) within the last chapters |
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| Gotta agree with you guys. I don't feel the tension, the mind games I loved in the first arc. Now it just feels like a repetition of "we have to survive without letting anyone else behind". I've got nothing against the idea, but it's getting dragged on a bit too much. I miss Norman. I feel like he was the connection between Emma and Ray. At least with the 3 of them together we had the interesting dialogue |
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| Also agree with everything others said. First arc was phenomenal and fresh. And stuff til the end of Goldy Pond also managed to be interesting for most of the time. After that it became really boring to me. Only recently it occurred to me that I don't really care about any of the characters. I think the problem is that once it lost most of it's mystery and mind game stuff, it didn't have strong characters to carry the story from then on. Every now and then there is some random kid that is in danger and I am supposed to feel tension or feel bad for him but I am just not able to. Now I just read chapters out of some kind of obligation, so I finish the story. I'm not looking forward to them like I once did nor do I really feel anything while reading them. |
| Tension has long disappeared. After first arc, seeing that nobody really dies, it was obvious the manga was going on a "child friendly" path. Still interesting though. |
keragamming said: Wow, I am only at chapter 35, but it is a shame hearing that the series isn't that entertaining anymore. Yakosoku no Neverland is one of the best selling manga out there, of course there will be some people that don't like it but they are only a minority. |
Elfezen said: keragamming said: Wow, I am only at chapter 35, but it is a shame hearing that the series isn't that entertaining anymore. Yakosoku no Neverland is one of the best selling manga out there, of course there will be some people that don't like it but they are only a minority. Kinda hard to just blow it off as just being from the minority when literally everywhere I go I see comments like that saying its not that good after the first arc. But I will hold my judgement on it, until I read some more chapters. |
A ton of people die. Hell, a central character for the last two arcs died like last chapter, what're you on about? Tbh, I don't know how anyone can think this is boring. A ton? That's a CLEAR exaggeration. A handful of people died and most of them were "fodder" characters. Central character? He was still a supporting character, an important one, but still a support, nowhere near central. None of the actual MC's will die. The amount of times they almost died and made it out alive because of Deus ex machina - DOES make the story a bit boring. Like the last chapter when Emma was grabbed, i didn't doubt it for a second that she'd be rescued somehow and she was! When the story gets predictable, it gets boring. First arc was great because of that, it was NOT predictable. |
I'm still reading because i want to know other things like what's going on in the place where Norman is, etc. But now it's really predictable and not that shocking, it's starting to look just like any other shonen to me, tbh. exactly like how i feel about the show too... |
keragamming said: Elfezen said: Yakosoku no Neverland is one of the best selling manga out there, of course there will be some people that don't like it but they are only a minority. Kinda hard to just blow it off as just being from the minority when literally everywhere I go I see comments like that saying its not that good after the first arc. But I will hold my judgement on it, until I read some more chapters. what? the 2nd arc is fantastic! that has the battle in the amusement park! @AzorAhai "not enough people died to get my edgelord boner satisfiyed!!! the only good story is when they kill all the main characters!!" said every edgelord ever. killing characters is not inclusive to good story telling. |
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@AzorAhai "not enough people died to get my edgelord boner satisfiyed!!! the only good story is when they kill all the main characters!!" said every edgelord ever. killing characters is not inclusive to good story telling. I don't think he meant the quantity of deaths as much as he meant the lack of suspense you get whenever an important character gets in trouble and you know 100% (s)he'll get out of it unscathed. It's not very thrilling. Exactly lol, I'm not expecting Game of Thrones to be unleashed in these shows, especially if it's used for a shock value only. Plot armors are disappointing and edgyness has nothing to do with it. When you're CERTAIN MC's are immune to death, watching them struggle/cornered/wounded loses all the drama/tension/sadness/thrill that could have been felt if the story was executed better! |
| Sure, there aren't many character deaths and yeah its mind game has been less as the story goes on but we're still learning more and more about the world they live in and it still is a kind of a mystery. There are still some mysteries unsolved and with the new characters coming in i kinda also wanna know more about them so yeah, I don't personally think it's getting boring. |
| Since it's so close to ending I don't see it as drawn out. It's obvious that this story was set up and set out. I think people got so invested in the Orphanage itself because of it's originality (+ the mind games of outsmarting the adults) that once it decided to become bigger with deadlier stakes, people were let down? I don't know why exactly, I didn't have an opinion one way or the other about the expansion the execution was pulled off and that's all that mattered to me. I think y'all just wanted some death. Didn't get it and were mad about it? Typical Shounen issue but an audience problem not the stories. |
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| I also believe people were given so much with the first arc that really nothing after will really make people feel content. I somewhat agree it has been dragged on but I'm also kinda curious as to what the consumer would go about with the story, like if you desire a conclusion for a story that has set up such an expansive world, what direction should the story go/how do you want things to end? I feel like it has to put so much detail to just reach the conclusion of the story, so maybe that's why it feels so boring. Because its not setting up cool new questions but having to put in the time to answer the ones it has currently. And you can't have constant mind game trickery to answer them every time. I'm glad the story is on it's way out and has pretty much the ending I have in mind, but I feel like the content leading up till now has at least provided information and is clearly making its way to the end. So I don't think it deserves to be condemned as much hate as its getting. But who knows, maybe writing a reply on an internet forum just goes to show how stupid we all are XD |
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| no, it's not dragged down or there is no mysteries, if anythings, it feels rushed... it just not explored enough and the mind games is gone... |
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| Sure, we really miss those mind games especially Norman vs Mama, but for me these later arc is still interesting. Especially if we talk about survival things. |
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| Yuugo last moment fight also pretty interesting. Hope can see the anime version of it. |
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KurokiOhma said: Flevalt said: I look at the first arc as bait material for the rest of the show. So Posuka and the other one are being scumbags tbh. The author seriously underestimating the concept of branding, majority of us read this manga for: 1. Tragedy 2. Mind Game 3. Someone will die If the authors wanted to made the series lighter then they should drop this hint from early, at this point the author is betraying the readers now because they didn't give us the expectation they has promised. Beside, i don't think kills the children is such a taboo in WSJ, HunterxHunter has history in eliminates their character in most devastating ways and yet huge success. On this matter i give Hiro Mashima a prop, he may ruin his series with OVERTONE of Nakama yet Fairy tail faithfully following the shounen battle genre to the end. Nah, you're wrong about the majority reading for mind games. I read this manga for the mystery of the world, and to see if Emma can successfully complete her ambitious goal. And there are plenty more people that share the same view, hell the "mind games" were getting stale at the latter portion of the first arc if you were reading weekly. Expecting a story to go a certain way can only hinder your enjoyment towards it. |
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ezutes said: KurokiOhma said: The author seriously underestimating the concept of branding, majority of us read this manga for: 1. Tragedy 2. Mind Game 3. Someone will die If the authors wanted to made the series lighter then they should drop this hint from early, at this point the author is betraying the readers now because they didn't give us the expectation they has promised. Beside, i don't think kills the children is such a taboo in WSJ, HunterxHunter has history in eliminates their character in most devastating ways and yet huge success. On this matter i give Hiro Mashima a prop, he may ruin his series with OVERTONE of Nakama yet Fairy tail faithfully following the shounen battle genre to the end. Nah, you're wrong about the majority reading for mind games. I read this manga for the mystery of the world, and to see if Emma can successfully complete her ambitious goal. And there are plenty more people that share the same view, hell the "mind games" were getting stale at the latter portion of the first arc if you were reading weekly. Expecting a story to go a certain way can only hinder your enjoyment towards it. Thing is the transition was bad, it is true that the mind games were a little too much in the end of the first arc, but the change from mistery/suspense to shounen-like-story was very bad and the quality dropped: 1. One of the points is that during the first arc there were the kids (the kids were a whole entity, not a character, the goal to save and the weight on the protagonists) but the kids leaving aside those that were smart enough to get in the game and be taken as individuals (like Phil) are not a character, are not explored (something that I dont complain about because they are not there for that) but given their situation if you start killing them like it has been happening in the last arcs their deaths have no weight at all, I can not even remind their faces or names (unlike Connie, that was there just for a few pages but was explored enough and had purpose in the story -to scare the crap out of everybody-) SPOILER- In the last arc the villain killed some children and kidnaped one and I couldnt give a shit about them. 2. Another great point was the use of strategy, the trio had to be creative to face mama who was superior in all aspects and they had limited resources (now they count with guns and the strategies are more military-cliche like), time was also important, they were analyzing pros and cons on every action they took, there was more than 1 plan, and the game was changing while the were playing, they had to adapt and also was doing Mama... 3. The villains of the first arc mama and black-mama were players in the game instead of a villain the trio had to beat, you had their perspective, you saw their thoughts and their fears, they were interesting instead of a disney-like villain moved by greed or hate, or worse... by nothing and just is there for the sake of being the villain (like the last villain we had). 4. The mistery is mostly dead (the good kind of mistery), during the first arc there was the good type of mistery, the one that let your imagination run wild using small hints here and there, about what the hell were those demons and what happened to the world the kids were learning of inside the farm. The mistery the series has taken now is just a plot goal to reach, its nothing to make you imagine and think using the elements given to you, now is just a place to arrive or a person to meet. |
AredrosJan 10, 2019 3:29 AM
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| I have been reading this manga since a long time ago and seeing where it is heading really makes me trully sad. I love the first arc so much that i gave it a 10/10 and even if my favorite character didnt show up anymore i still maintained the hope to see the rest of them escape. But.. they are dragging the story so much i swear.. it started to become incredibly boring for me at least. I stopped reading around chapter 74 while keeping up to date with the chapter releases a bit after to see if something interesting happened that could be considered as great as the first arc but .. no. This story suffers from its huge shift from super great mind games to mediocre adventure/action and in my opinion that's it's greatest flaw including retiring norman from the story. If he died at the end of the first arc i would be fine with it to be honest, i mean, at least i wouldn't have to wait 40 chapters to see a few pages of him and then plus another 40 to see him come back(personally i do not think it is our norman because i didnt wait this long to see him like this but whatever..). I hope that if its him they give the character at least a big purpose in the story, because otherwise it would be incredibly dumb of them for putting norman aside for practically 80 chapters without any importance to the main plot i swear. And well, i could say more but im already too disappointed with this manga that i really cant put it in words well, i just hope they can adapt the first arc in the anime now without much alterations and stuff (I'm kinda hyped to see it at least). But.. if they decide to animate the later ones as well i can already see people calling the arcs shit and what not by comparison to the first season asdfg |
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| If things continued like the first arc, in terms of tone, storytelling points, character relations, then this would have become an F tier manga. The ability for this manga to jump between so many different styles for the story, and still be able to keep me guessing is the main attraction of this manga. I don't want to see mind games, and someone having a counter-plan for someone's counter-plan. There's no way it would be selling as well as it is if it stayed on the same tone that it had from the first arc. There are plenty other stories out there that do that and suffer from it. So when I see TPN changing it up and nailing it, while people are skimming through recent chapters and calling them shit, it makes me a little sad for all the effort that the author took to set this puzzle of a story up. |
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ezutes said: If things continued like the first arc, in terms of tone, storytelling points, character relations, then this would have become an F tier manga. The ability for this manga to jump between so many different styles for the story, and still be able to keep me guessing is the main attraction of this manga. I don't want to see mind games, and someone having a counter-plan for someone's counter-plan. There's no way it would be selling as well as it is if it stayed on the same tone that it had from the first arc. There are plenty other stories out there that do that and suffer from it. So when I see TPN changing it up and nailing it, while people are skimming through recent chapters and calling them shit, it makes me a little sad for all the effort that the author took to set this puzzle of a story up. The thing is that there was no hint that this story was going to have adventure or action as much as it has right now in the beginning. You may like the changes, that's fine. However, saying you dont like the mind games that were practically what made the first arc and then call people out just because they say they dont like how the story is going while you are practically doing the same thing but the other exact way around really isnt the best way to go about it in my opinion, lmao. |
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ezutes said: If things continued like the first arc, in terms of tone, storytelling points, character relations, then this would have become an F tier manga. The ability for this manga to jump between so many different styles for the story, and still be able to keep me guessing is the main attraction of this manga. I don't want to see mind games, and someone having a counter-plan for someone's counter-plan. There's no way it would be selling as well as it is if it stayed on the same tone that it had from the first arc. There are plenty other stories out there that do that and suffer from it. So when I see TPN changing it up and nailing it, while people are skimming through recent chapters and calling them shit, it makes me a little sad for all the effort that the author took to set this puzzle of a story up. The problem is not shift, the problem is that the shift is shit (and we compare it with the first arc, because it was VERY good, not forcefully because we wanted it to be the same -at least not me-). But there are some series ut there that managed to do a shift in their genres and success and I don't have a problem with that... if it is good. If you are a cooker and people don't like your food it will probably be because you cook badly, even if you do your best. |
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AyumiVk said: ezutes said: If things continued like the first arc, in terms of tone, storytelling points, character relations, then this would have become an F tier manga. The ability for this manga to jump between so many different styles for the story, and still be able to keep me guessing is the main attraction of this manga. I don't want to see mind games, and someone having a counter-plan for someone's counter-plan. There's no way it would be selling as well as it is if it stayed on the same tone that it had from the first arc. There are plenty other stories out there that do that and suffer from it. So when I see TPN changing it up and nailing it, while people are skimming through recent chapters and calling them shit, it makes me a little sad for all the effort that the author took to set this puzzle of a story up. The thing is that there was no hint that this story was going to have adventure or action as much as it has right now in the beginning. You may like the changes, that's fine. However, saying you dont like the mind games that were practically what made the first arc and then call people out just because they say they dont like how the story is going while you are practically doing the same thing but the other exact way around really isnt the best way to go about it in my opinion, lmao. No, I'm saying the mind games were amazing, but they would have been bad if they kept repeating them again and again. That's not the same thing at all. But thanks for your opinion. |
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Flevalt said: bobbyboiii said: If things continued like the first arc, in terms of tone, storytelling points, character relations, then this would have become an F tier manga. The ability for this manga to jump between so many different styles for the story, and still be able to keep me guessing is the main attraction of this manga. I don't want to see mind games, and someone having a counter-plan for someone's counter-plan. There's no way it would be selling as well as it is if it stayed on the same tone that it had from the first arc. The twists in the first arc were exaggerated to some extent. It almost felt like a bit too much. But it was still good. Just enough to not become ridiculous. Your last statement there makes no sense when you look at Death Note and other thriller series though. You're saying it as if since you do not enjoy thriller series, the series could not have become great or even greater if it continued that route. That's just bs. In a way this manga tried to copy Hunter x Hunter too much. Hunter x Hunter also starts out differently and then turns into something completely different. For Hunter x Hunter this worked great, because it started out with a mediocre shonen-stereotype and then turned it into something better. But in this case it is a change from something good to something arguably worse/as good. I don't really feel bad when someone bashes the series for this, because it is undeniably a dickish move to set a series up within the very first arc and then for the majority of the manga go with something entirely different, if it is not an improvement. Also, the artificial hype created around this series is what garnered it this success. When even Oda posts praise for the series despite it not even having really picked off at that point, it gives the hype around the series a shady and undeserved image, as if Oda was seduced or paid to do that. Then just ask him who the few key persons are that keep increasing the visibility of the series and you're set. It's kind of comparable to the obnoxious "JoJo memes", where the "fanbase" tried (and still does?) hyping the anime up by making nonsensical jokes about how every other series is referencing JoJo. So yeah, thank the shills and people like Oda for that. Nah, I'll thank the hundreds of thousands, and constantly growing, japanese people with actual good taste that made it this popular. I'm not a fan of repetitiveness, and predictability. 95% of shounen have that in spades. Although this does have down points in the story, it has always kept the spirit of "using strategy to beat a seemingly impossible enemy". Just because they are actually confronting their enemies head on, instead of running away from, doesn't mean that this has gotten worse. The tactics are still there, but the story doesn't need to focus on the mind games anymore. And why would it, with it's volume sales increasing for every subsequent released volume. |
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Flevalt said: bobbyboiii said: I'm not a fan of repetitiveness, and predictability. 95% of shounen have that in spades. Although this does have down points in the story, it has always kept the spirit of "using strategy to beat a seemingly impossible enemy". The problem with the odds stacked against the protagonists to the point where the opponent seems unbeatable, though, is that they can not defeat those enemies and stay consistent at the same time. For example, Lewis was shown to have reflexes that allowed him to catch bullets with his hands. Later when he was electrocuted, he was unable to dodge attacks that should have been easy for a man with his speed. Altough Lewis acted mostly consistently throughout Goldy Pond, these kinds of inconsistencies are something you can not avoid if you create these impossible situations. Look at the ending of the first chapter. Norman and Emma were underneath a truck, from which they would have had to escape to the only known exit to them, which was in plain sight of the demons. There was literally no way for them to get out of there unnoticed, yet they just ran off and the readers are supposed to accept it. This was something easily avoidable. One could've changed the layout of the gate's environment. This happens in both manga and anime btw. That was simply an oversight on their part. But if you build the world and the antagonists in such a way that the core of your story can not be upheld in the long-term, that's a major design flaw from being short-sighted. And don't tell me "they planned the story this way from the start", because I know for a fact they didn't. bobbyboiii said: Just because they are actually confronting their enemies head on, instead of running away from, doesn't mean that this has gotten worse. The tactics are still there, but the story doesn't need to focus on the mind games anymore. And why would it, with it's volume sales increasing for every subsequent released volume. I mean, it hasn't necessarily gotten "worse". I still enjoy reading it because to me it feels more like a mystery + adventure type of series now, which is cool, especially since there are not that many of that kind either. So it basically changed from a rare commodity among manga to a different rare commodity. But imagine you didn't like the attributes that the manga has now. You could argue: Well then it is just not their taste anymore but it does not mean the quality of the series is worse because of it, right? True, somewhat. But then again, you did watch the series for what it was. And now you are presented with something entirely different. That is expecting a lot of flexibility and partly also mind gymnastics from the reader to just go with that flow. It is definitely a disturbance for the flow of the manga. I wouldn't even say it is the transition of how the tone changes, as was mentioned before on this thread, but just the change of what the series offers now is so drastic that it is like a jump into the cold water, that you have to adjust to. The series is quite predictable atm if you ask me. Did you not see coming, for example, that the owls were actually cameras? Or that Norman was still alive? That Lewis is probably still alive as well? I mean, yeah, there are still a lot of unanswered questions, but the suspense has undeniably dropped with a lot of the unknown having already been answered this early, thus taking away a lot of the magic from it. I was particularly surprised when the scene of the elevator came into play during Goldy Pond, because there was just so much information and demystification going on there, that it was borderline on the edge of being anti-climactic. You gotta give the series credit where its due, but there is also just a lot of sloppy design flaws going into how the series plays out now. I'm really excited to see how TPN will continue with Norman back in the boat, because this will be a major point in how well following anime seasons will play out imo. The last thing I want to see in the last arc of TPN is a battle shonen of Zasie and co. slaughtering demons with their bankais. Literally all of your concerns can be answered by reading more closely. |
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