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Nicaragua has been through huge upheaval this year. In April, anti-government protesters demanded the socialist president, Daniel Ortega, step down over unpopular pension reforms. However, he refused to negotiate and instead sent in the security forces.

Hundreds were killed in the space of weeks. Among them was Cinthia's family, who died in an arson attack.

She narrowly escaped the fire and says pro-government paramilitary groups are responsible.

The BBC's Will Grant spoke to Cinthia, who is now in hiding fearing for her safety, and members of one of those underground armed groups.


https://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/must_see/46017566/nicaragua-arson-attack-kills-six-members-of-the-same-family

No escape from gulag for you!

Revealed: Ice teams up with Nicaragua even as US decries Ortega’s crackdown

White House condemns Daniel Ortega’s ‘indiscriminate violence’ while countries join forces to deport Nicaraguans from US

The Trump administration is quietly partnering with a government it publicly accuses of killing its own people, in an effort to speed up the deportation of Nicaraguan citizens, the Guardian can reveal.

The partnership between Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the government of Nicaragua’s president, Daniel Ortega, began a week before mass protests erupted in the Central American country, and it continues despite a war of words between Washington and Managua.

This week, the White House press secretary, Sarah Sanders, declared the Ortega government responsible for “indiscriminate violence” that has left scores dead and thousands injured since protests began three months ago. “The United States stands with the people of Nicaragua,” she said.

Ortega, meanwhile, has described the protesters as coup-plotters and terrorists involved in a US-backed conspiracy.

But when it comes to deporting Nicaraguans who live in the United States, the two governments are still working hand in hand.

Ice officials signed a memorandum of understanding with Managua in April to expedite the deportation of Nicaraguan citizens – shortly after Donald Trump revoked temporary protective status (TPS) for around 2,500 Nicaraguan immigrants.

“Enhancing cooperation with our foreign partners to streamline and improve the removal process is a key part of enforcing our immigration laws and protecting our homeland,” Ice’s assistant director Marlen Piñeiro said in a press release announcing the deal.

Under the agreement, Ice provides training for “authorized foreign partners” on how to access the US’s electronic travel document system, a database of foreign nationals that includes biographic and biometric information that its partners can use to identify their citizens.

The system allows the Nicaraguan government to upload travel documents that Ice agents can then print out “at detention facilities or field offices”.

The deal was signed by Nicaragua’s deputy interior minister Luis Cañas, who said the agreement demonstrated his government’s commitment to facilitate “the safe and orderly return of Nicaraguan nationals”, according to the Ice announcement.

An Ice spokesperson, Brendan Raedy, confirmed the Nicaraguan government was an active partner of the agency. Memoranda of understanding (MOUs) had also been signed with El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and the Dominican Republic, he said.

The cooperation continues as an increasing number of Nicaraguans flee the country to escape Ortega’s crackdown.

Most head to Costa Rica, where 23,000 have applied for asylum since the unrest started, according to the United Nations.

“But we can expect a wave of Nicaraguans coming to the US in the coming months as they flee political violence and instability,” said Geoff Thale, of the Washington Office on Latin America thinktank. “The death toll is conservatively estimated at 300 – some human rights groups put the figure as high as 450 – since April. That’s a stunning figure for a country of only 6 million people.”

The Ortega government is responsible for the vast majority of that violence, according to the UN. Investigators from the UN human rights office were dispatched to the country in June to investigate allegations of state-sponsored violence, including killings.

In one incident, a family of six was burned alive after allegedly refusing to let pro-government paramiliaries use their home as a sniper’s perch. Neighbours told the Guardian that police officers shot at anyone who attempted to help the family.

The UN high commissioner for human rights, Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein, has described a “climate of intimidation and insecurity” in Nicaragua, and specifically denounced the “excessive use of force” by police and violence on the part of “pro-government elements [that] has continued to escalate”.

Carolina Jiménez, Amnesty International’s deputy director for research in the Americas, said: “The evidence shows a pattern of excessive, lethal use of force. This is state-sponsored violence and certainly many of the people fleeing now could be seen as in need of international protection.”

“We strongly believe that it’s a terrible idea to send people back to a country that’s experiencing such traumatic civil and political unrest.”

Opponents of the government have also committed acts of violence. Jimenez said, by Amnesty’s count, 19 police officers had been killed since protests began.

For people seeking asylum in the US, who they are fleeing is legally crucial.

In June, the US attorney general, Jeff Sessions, announced that those seeking refuge in the US would not be permitted to stay even if they could prove a credible fear of domestic abuse or gang violence. Sessions contrasted such refugees with those who face persecution at the hands of a government.

In a letter to Trump last month, a bipartisan group of US lawmakers noted the incongruity, and called on the president to reinstate TPS for Nicaraguans.

TPS is an immigration status granted to certain countries experiencing armed conflict or natural disaster, protecting individuals from deportation and allowing them to work in the US.

“Over the past three months, your administration has continuously spoken out against Daniel Ortega’s many abuses,” the letter said. “[W]e believe it would be irresponsible for the U.S. to send these individuals to Nicaragua to face violence, chaos and oppression.”

For now, the US is still working with the Nicaraguan government to do just that. And while Managua speaks of a regime-change plot from Washington, it remains a partner on drug interdiction, having hosted a high-level delegation of US military and Drug Enforcement Agency officials just over a month before the latest protests.

“While successive US governments have been critical of the Ortega government’s steps to [consolidate] political power,” said Thale, “they have all been pleased with Nicaraguan cooperation on security issues … and with Nicaraguan-US commercial relations.”

In part, Thale said, that was how “the Nicaraguan government inoculated itself from criticism.”

Not all security cooperation continues. In June, Laura Dogu, the US ambassador to Managua, announced that the US had secured the return of several vehicles it donated to the Nicaraguan national police, on the grounds that they had been used to “repress peaceful demonstrators”.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/03/us-nicaragua-partner-violence-ice-deportations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandinista_National_Liberation_Front

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_occupation_of_Nicaragua

If you cant beat them, then join them? I dunno. So ICE-IS now working with the democratically elected Democratic Socialist Daniel Ortega?
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Nov 12, 2018 11:57 AM
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so Trump admin is deceiving people again by saying that poor country is doing bad things to their citizens but also working on that same poor country to prevent more migrants coming to USA even if done in bad actions

is Trump gonna destroy that poor country more?
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What? ICE-IS just sending Ortega's voters back to their socialist utopia. Ortega and the FSLN fought really hard against the US, like so hard. Like, if the US hadn't been all imperialistic then Ortega wouldn't need to kill purge his own people... to stop US imperial aggression. US imperialism is over, it is through. Now is the time for all Nicaraguans to reap the generous rewards of Democratic Socialism!!! Obviously malcontents ntent on escaping utopia probably have some sort of mental problems and the US is like, really terrible with that so Ortega once again shoulder the burden of treating them.
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what the fuck is this post
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what the fuck is this post


I know it is probably difficult to swallow, but, only people with severe mental disorders would want to immigrate legally or illegally to the US of A from a Democratic Socialist paradise like Nicaragua. Particularly after they won their hard fought freedom from the pig dog capitalist oppressors. Ortega just wants to rehabilitate them, I mean they would probably just die in a mass shooting anyways. Trump sent the military to not protect our borders, but to protect the innocent mentally disturbed caravans from US.
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what the fuck is this post

more like "Why does OP bother posting on this forum in the first place?"
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Keep up the good work Trump.
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Keep up the good work Trump.


Yes. Trump understands that the mentally ill migrant caravans are so filled with internalised self loathing that they would abandon the righteous cause of Democratic Socialism to be brutally oppressed, exploited, and marginalized by racist USA and himself. He knew deep down he must help these people. Even if it is the only good act of his entire Presidency.
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This reminds me of how we shipped all those Russians and Russian workers we found in France and Germany back to Stalin when we were liberating Europe. So they could experience the wonders of glorious Stalinism that Communists on the Internet praise so much first-hand. I mean, it's not our fault that they were all instantly shot.

Or how we supported Pol Pot, the only one of the Communists to do anything Actually Socialist™ (did away with money, value, ownership and commodities) and created the most advanced communist society, when he fought the Vietnamese who were long documented on planning to invade him and then spread lies about a "Cambodian Genocide" that is 100% impossible to have taken place to slander Glorious Name of Communism. Oh and Urbanites deserved it.

We're currently helping out the Kurds in Syria who are an umbrella organization for Literal Stalinists by having over a dozen military bases there. You know, to protect them.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan it's amazing how much we get hated for helping those people say we hate. We only fought the North Koreans cause they actually invaded South Korea, or how the USSR was trying to conquer Afghanistan. Or how we stopped the East Germans from setting up literal military camps in Chile by helping Pinochet.

Amazingly, we wouldn't be having these Trade Wars with China if they stayed true to Mao and didn't become Filthy Imperialists who wanna conquer Africa and plunder those sweet poor Blacks. I mean we're pretty committed towards Africans, we helped Communist Nelson Mandela to stop Evil Apartheid and forced the Evil Rhodesians to give up to Communist Robert Mugabe.

All this and Communists say we are EVUUUUUL. Man, there's like no making them happy.

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Included in the death toll are 21 police officers, according to CNN

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/05/americas/nicaragua-violent-protests/index.html

So, this can't all be peaceful protests or anything like that. They're shooting at the police. If protesters were *shooting police* in the USA you can damn well bet that the police would shoot back.

For example there are things referred to as "barricades of death" in Nicaragua. These are not ordinary protests, what they do is they set up armed roadblocks and shoot at the police. It's a common thing set up by right-wing factions in Latin American nations. Guys similar to the Charlottesville Neo-Nazis set up these armed "protest" roadblocks, and when the police try and clear them, there is shooting, then the fascists claim that "the people" are under attack by the government.

Here's another CNN article. It includes imagery of protestors dragging people out of police cars, and burning police cars set on fire:

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/03/americas/nicaragua-months-of-turmoil/index.html

That was followed by another anti-government demonstration on Sunday. IACHR reported that three people -- a doctor and two police officers -- were injured in clashes between protesters and pro-government forces.

A ... doctor and two police were the injured people in a recent clash. It sounds like the protestors are inciting most of the violence.

The protests have also included rebels taking over whole government buildings and even barricading whole suburbs. I'm sympathetic to protestors, but when you have armed takeovers of public space, that's a *rebellion* not a protest, and any government *will* act to prevent rebellion.

Also, the demands of the protestors were acceded to, the pension reforms were scrapped. But the protestors are escalating violence rather than winding down. The ball is in fact in the protestor's court, they are setting the agenda here, not the government. The goal is in fact to destabilize the legitimately elected government to bring back the far-right, who used to be in charge.
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Included in the death toll are 21 police officers, according to CNN

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/05/americas/nicaragua-violent-protests/index.html

So, this can't all be peaceful protests or anything like that. They're shooting at the police. If protesters were *shooting police* in the USA you can damn well bet that the police would shoot back.

For example there are things referred to as "barricades of death" in Nicaragua. These are not ordinary protests, what they do is they set up armed roadblocks and shoot at the police. It's a common thing set up by right-wing factions in Latin American nations. Guys similar to the Charlottesville Neo-Nazis set up these armed "protest" roadblocks, and when the police try and clear them, there is shooting, then the fascists claim that "the people" are under attack by the government.

Here's another CNN article. It includes imagery of protestors dragging people out of police cars, and burning police cars set on fire:

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/03/americas/nicaragua-months-of-turmoil/index.html

That was followed by another anti-government demonstration on Sunday. IACHR reported that three people -- a doctor and two police officers -- were injured in clashes between protesters and pro-government forces.

A ... doctor and two police were the injured people in a recent clash. It sounds like the protestors are inciting most of the violence.

The protests have also included rebels taking over whole government buildings and even barricading whole suburbs. I'm sympathetic to protestors, but when you have armed takeovers of public space, that's a *rebellion* not a protest, and any government *will* act to prevent rebellion.

Also, the demands of the protestors were acceded to, the pension reforms were scrapped. But the protestors are escalating violence rather than winding down. The ball is in fact in the protestor's court, they are setting the agenda here, not the government. The goal is in fact to destabilize the legitimately elected government to bring back the far-right, who used to be in charge.


As you rightfully say, all those who are being gunned down by El Presidente Ortega right now are Fascists. There literally can't be any other reason. This is why Trump is having ICE-IS ship all those Fascist Nicaraguans there to be killed.
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Zehennagel said:
what the fuck is this post


I know it is probably difficult to swallow, but, only people with severe mental disorders would want to immigrate legally or illegally to the US of A from a Democratic Socialist paradise like Nicaragua. Particularly after they won their hard fought freedom from the pig dog capitalist oppressors. Ortega just wants to rehabilitate them, I mean they would probably just die in a mass shooting anyways. Trump sent the military to not protect our borders, but to protect the innocent mentally disturbed caravans from US.
dude I have no idea what you're talking about and what the hell this thread is about I didn't ask for you to talk about the socialist government and ncgaragua or something
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Soverign said:


I know it is probably difficult to swallow, but, only people with severe mental disorders would want to immigrate legally or illegally to the US of A from a Democratic Socialist paradise like Nicaragua. Particularly after they won their hard fought freedom from the pig dog capitalist oppressors. Ortega just wants to rehabilitate them, I mean they would probably just die in a mass shooting anyways. Trump sent the military to not protect our borders, but to protect the innocent mentally disturbed caravans from US.
dude I have no idea what you're talking about and what the hell this thread is about I didn't ask for you to talk about the socialist government and ncgaragua or something

He's a guy who posts unfunny "memes", unrelated pictures, and unrelated articles in threads that have nothing to do with any of the content he posts, and you're expecting him to be coherent? He does this constantly, there's no consistency to him, like don't expect a coherent answer back, I'm just telling u straight up that you're not going to get one.
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Zehennagel said:
dude I have no idea what you're talking about and what the hell this thread is about I didn't ask for you to talk about the socialist government and ncgaragua or something

He's a guy who posts unfunny "memes", unrelated pictures, and unrelated articles in threads that have nothing to do with any of the content he posts, and you're expecting him to be coherent?
how would I know? not that I was expecting an answer of him that made sense since I realised pretty fast that he was somewhere else in his world
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how would I know? not that I was expecting an answer of him that made sense since I realised pretty fast that he was somewhere else in his world


It is history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ماجرای ایران-کنترا‎, Spanish: caso Irán-Contra), also referred to as Irangate,[1] Contragate[2] or the Iran–Contra scandal (also known as the McFarlane scandal in Iran), was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration. Senior administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.[3] They hoped, thereby, to fund the Contras in Nicaragua while at the same time negotiating the release of several U.S. hostages. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.

The official justification for the arms shipments was that they were part of an operation to free seven American hostages being held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a paramilitary group with Iranian ties connected to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. The plan was for Israel to ship weapons to Iran, and then the United States would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of the hostages.[4][5] However, as documented by a congressional investigation, which the New York Times reported in 1991, the first Reagan-sponsored secret arms sales to Iran began in 1981, before the first hostage was taken in Lebanon. This rules out the "arms for hostages" explanation by which the Reagan administration sought to excuse its behavior.[6]

The plan was later complicated when Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council, in late 1985, diverted a portion of the proceeds from the Iranian weapon sales to fund anti-Sandinista rebel fighters, known as Contras, against the socialist government of Nicaragua.[4]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ortega

José Daniel Ortega Saavedra (Spanish pronunciation: [daˈnjel oɾˈteɣa]; born November 11, 1945) is a Nicaraguan politician serving as President of Nicaragua since 2007; previously he was leader of Nicaragua from 1979 to 1990, first as Coordinator of the Junta of National Reconstruction (1979–1985) and then as President (1985–1990). A leader in the Sandinista National Liberation Front (Frente Sandinista de Liberación Nacional, FSLN), his policies in government have seen the implementation of leftist reforms across Nicaragua.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/10/29/american-policy-is-responsible-migrant-caravan/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7f8611eecf81
In many ways, the administration’s fixation on stopping migration aims to fix a problem that the United States helped create. During the Cold War, the United States knit together a sprawling network of government agencies and private organizations to turn economic development across Latin America, Asia and Africa into a weapon against the Soviet Union. Economists, social scientists and politicians believed that poverty made people susceptible to communism, and they set out to build programs to halt the spread of this competing ideology by increasing economic growth.

Following the Cuban Revolution of 1959, President John F. Kennedy began the Alliance for Progress in Latin America to contain communism in the hemisphere. But prioritizing anti-communism actually led to development programs and strategies that intensified inequality, bred corruption and relied on physical force. Development advocates maintained the paternalistic belief that dictators could bring about political, social and economic transformation more quickly and effectively than democratic governments.

As a result, the United States channeled economic development programs through anti-communist authoritarians who conveniently also guaranteed labor and trade policies favorable to the United States. American diplomats and developmentalists glad-handed with dictators such as Gen. Anastasio Somoza in Nicaragua and Oswaldo López in Honduras.

But these brutal American allies channeled economic benefits into the hands of their friends and supporters, leaving the rest of their countrymen to fight over scraps. Politically connected landowners evicted small farmers from their plots and business executives squashed workers’ organizations, often with the assistance of U.S.-trained and supplied armies.


The migrant caravans blame the US for not beating the Sandinistas apparently, or, not assuming direct control of their countries and relying on proxies.
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Zehennagel said:
nicethings said:

He's a guy who posts unfunny "memes", unrelated pictures, and unrelated articles in threads that have nothing to do with any of the content he posts, and you're expecting him to be coherent?
how would I know? not that I was expecting an answer of him that made sense since I realised pretty fast that he was somewhere else in his world

If you regularly browse or lurk CD & CE, then yes, you'd realize he's full of gibberish
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the socialist president, Daniel Ortega
https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/daniel-ortega-net-worth/
$50 Million
http://www.puroperiodismo.com/2018/01/16/hijos-de-daniel-ortega-jeques-fiscalia/
Hijos de Ortega a sus anchas en San José

Entre 2007 y 2009 –añade el diario La Prensa– Maurice y Laureano Ortega Murillo, hijos del siempre presidente Daniel Ortega, estudiaron en Costa Rica. La carrera que eligieron fue Cine y Televisión de la Universidad Veritas, una de las más caras de ese país y la morada donde durmieron era una suerte de palacete anclado en la montaña con vista al valle urbano. Una de las mansiones de Roberto Rivas Reyes.

La casa, de aproximadamente tres millones de dólares, quedaba en el exclusivo Eco Residencial Villa Real de Santa Ana, Escazú, a 18.6 km de la universidad privada ubicaba en Santa Marta. Pero la distancia no era problema para que los jóvenes llegaran temprano a clases, porque iban a veces en un Porsche 911 Carrera capaz de llegar a 290 kilómetros por hora, narra el diario.

La mansión era de Roberto Rivas y el vehículo de la embajada nicaragüense en San José, comprado sin impuestos y dotado de placas diplomáticas gracias al embajador Harold Rivas, hermano del magistrado. Es decir, aunque Laureano y Maurice no tuvieran nada que ver con la legación diplomática, usaban un automóvil de lujo a placer y dormían al mejor estilo de jeques árabes. O, mejor dicho, al estilo Roberto Rivas, agrega La Prensa.


Sons of Ortega at home in San José

Between 2007 and 2009 -the newspaper La Prensa adds- Maurice and Laureano Ortega Murillo, sons of the always president Daniel Ortega, studied in Costa Rica. The career that they chose was Cinema and Television of the Veritas University, one of the most expensive in that country and the lodging where they slept was a kind of small palace anchored in the mountain overlooking the urban valley. One of the mansions of Roberto Rivas Reyes.

The house, of approximately three million dollars, was in the exclusive Residential Eco Villa Real de Santa Ana, Escazú, 18.6 km from the private university located in Santa Marta. But distance was no problem for young people to arrive early to school, because they sometimes went in a Porsche 911 Carrera capable of reaching 290 kilometers per hour, the newspaper reports.

The mansion was by Roberto Rivas and the Nicaraguan embassy vehicle in San Jose, bought without taxes and endowed with diplomatic plates thanks to Ambassador Harold Rivas, brother of the magistrate. That is, although Laureano and Maurice had nothing to do with the diplomatic legation, they used a luxury car at leisure and slept in the style of Arab sheikhs. Or, rather, Roberto Rivas style, La Prensa adds.
What's this? A "socialist" president who just so "happens" to be a corrupt capitalist?
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@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite
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the socialist president, Daniel Ortega
https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/daniel-ortega-net-worth/
$50 Million
http://www.puroperiodismo.com/2018/01/16/hijos-de-daniel-ortega-jeques-fiscalia/
Hijos de Ortega a sus anchas en San José

Entre 2007 y 2009 –añade el diario La Prensa– Maurice y Laureano Ortega Murillo, hijos del siempre presidente Daniel Ortega, estudiaron en Costa Rica. La carrera que eligieron fue Cine y Televisión de la Universidad Veritas, una de las más caras de ese país y la morada donde durmieron era una suerte de palacete anclado en la montaña con vista al valle urbano. Una de las mansiones de Roberto Rivas Reyes.

La casa, de aproximadamente tres millones de dólares, quedaba en el exclusivo Eco Residencial Villa Real de Santa Ana, Escazú, a 18.6 km de la universidad privada ubicaba en Santa Marta. Pero la distancia no era problema para que los jóvenes llegaran temprano a clases, porque iban a veces en un Porsche 911 Carrera capaz de llegar a 290 kilómetros por hora, narra el diario.

La mansión era de Roberto Rivas y el vehículo de la embajada nicaragüense en San José, comprado sin impuestos y dotado de placas diplomáticas gracias al embajador Harold Rivas, hermano del magistrado. Es decir, aunque Laureano y Maurice no tuvieran nada que ver con la legación diplomática, usaban un automóvil de lujo a placer y dormían al mejor estilo de jeques árabes. O, mejor dicho, al estilo Roberto Rivas, agrega La Prensa.


Sons of Ortega at home in San José

Between 2007 and 2009 -the newspaper La Prensa adds- Maurice and Laureano Ortega Murillo, sons of the always president Daniel Ortega, studied in Costa Rica. The career that they chose was Cinema and Television of the Veritas University, one of the most expensive in that country and the lodging where they slept was a kind of small palace anchored in the mountain overlooking the urban valley. One of the mansions of Roberto Rivas Reyes.

The house, of approximately three million dollars, was in the exclusive Residential Eco Villa Real de Santa Ana, Escazú, 18.6 km from the private university located in Santa Marta. But distance was no problem for young people to arrive early to school, because they sometimes went in a Porsche 911 Carrera capable of reaching 290 kilometers per hour, the newspaper reports.

The mansion was by Roberto Rivas and the Nicaraguan embassy vehicle in San Jose, bought without taxes and endowed with diplomatic plates thanks to Ambassador Harold Rivas, brother of the magistrate. That is, although Laureano and Maurice had nothing to do with the diplomatic legation, they used a luxury car at leisure and slept in the style of Arab sheikhs. Or, rather, Roberto Rivas style, La Prensa adds.
What's this? A "socialist" president who just so "happens" to be a corrupt capitalist?


When are you Boomers'just going to accept that the people of the world are tired of the 'Nordic Model' of gentle capitalism with disastrous lassiez-faire proxy rulership and instead wish for the guiding hand of the new American model of kinder 'Imperialism" (which doesn't have a name yet, but Bolton and US are working on it) to guide them into a future of prosperity and safety?
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When are you Boomers'just going to accept that the people of the world are tired of the 'Nordic Model' of gentle capitalism with lassiez-faire proxy rulership and instead wish for the guiding hand of the new American model of kinder 'Imperialism" (which doesn't have a name yet, but Bolton and US are working on it) to guide them into a future of prosperity and safety?
>Comparing the glorious Folkhem to corrupt shitholes in Latin America
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@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite
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Zehennagel said:
how would I know? not that I was expecting an answer of him that made sense since I realised pretty fast that he was somewhere else in his world


It is history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ماجرای ایران-کنترا‎, Spanish: caso Irán-Contra), also referred to as Irangate,[1] Contragate[2] or the Iran–Contra scandal (also known as the McFarlane scandal in Iran), was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration. Senior administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.[3] They hoped, thereby, to fund the Contras in Nicaragua while at the same time negotiating the release of several U.S. hostages. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.

The official justification for the arms shipments was that they were part of an operation to free seven American hostages being held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a paramilitary group with Iranian ties connected to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. The plan was for Israel to ship weapons to Iran, and then the United States would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of the hostages.[4][5] However, as documented by a congressional investigation, which the New York Times reported in 1991, the first Reagan-sponsored secret arms sales to Iran began in 1981, before the first hostage was taken in Lebanon. This rules out the "arms for hostages" explanation by which the Reagan administration sought to excuse its behavior.[6]

The plan was later complicated when Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council, in late 1985, diverted a portion of the proceeds from the Iranian weapon sales to fund anti-Sandinista rebel fighters, known as Contras, against the socialist government of Nicaragua.[4]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ortega

José Daniel Ortega Saavedra (Spanish pronunciation: [daˈnjel oɾˈteɣa]; born November 11, 1945) is a Nicaraguan politician serving as President of Nicaragua since 2007; previously he was leader of Nicaragua from 1979 to 1990, first as Coordinator of the Junta of National Reconstruction (1979–1985) and then as President (1985–1990). A leader in the Sandinista National Liberation Front (Frente Sandinista de Liberación Nacional, FSLN), his policies in government have seen the implementation of leftist reforms across Nicaragua.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/10/29/american-policy-is-responsible-migrant-caravan/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7f8611eecf81
In many ways, the administration’s fixation on stopping migration aims to fix a problem that the United States helped create. During the Cold War, the United States knit together a sprawling network of government agencies and private organizations to turn economic development across Latin America, Asia and Africa into a weapon against the Soviet Union. Economists, social scientists and politicians believed that poverty made people susceptible to communism, and they set out to build programs to halt the spread of this competing ideology by increasing economic growth.

Following the Cuban Revolution of 1959, President John F. Kennedy began the Alliance for Progress in Latin America to contain communism in the hemisphere. But prioritizing anti-communism actually led to development programs and strategies that intensified inequality, bred corruption and relied on physical force. Development advocates maintained the paternalistic belief that dictators could bring about political, social and economic transformation more quickly and effectively than democratic governments.

As a result, the United States channeled economic development programs through anti-communist authoritarians who conveniently also guaranteed labor and trade policies favorable to the United States. American diplomats and developmentalists glad-handed with dictators such as Gen. Anastasio Somoza in Nicaragua and Oswaldo López in Honduras.

But these brutal American allies channeled economic benefits into the hands of their friends and supporters, leaving the rest of their countrymen to fight over scraps. Politically connected landowners evicted small farmers from their plots and business executives squashed workers’ organizations, often with the assistance of U.S.-trained and supplied armies.


The migrant caravans blame the US for not beating the Sandinistas apparently, or, not assuming direct control of their countries and relying on proxies.
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Zehennagel said:
how would I know? not that I was expecting an answer of him that made sense since I realised pretty fast that he was somewhere else in his world

If you regularly browse or lurk CD & CE, then yes, you'd realize he's full of gibberish
well I've only recently started using the "recent posts" tab (while ignoring introduction and forum games cause it's fuckin anooying) instead of singles subforums
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>Comparing the glorious Folkhem to corrupt shitholes in Latin America


I will not be intimidated into thinking Sweden is not a degenerate, dissolute filthy capitalist shithole by your large Swedish boobs. Point those things elsewhere profligate.
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I'll never understand the people that flee dangerous countries for the USA, but still proudly wave their countries home flag around.
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I don't see why the whole situation going on in Nicaragua can't possibly just be a repeat of Contras. In other words the CIA may be behind killings in Nicaragua blamed on the government because they are trying to make Ortega step down or overthrow him in a coup. I don't even support Ortega based on some of his policies so I have no reason to be biased. Not saying this is for sure what is going on but knowing the history of US intervention amd couls in Latin America it's quite within possability.


The student-led anti-government movement in Nicaragua is unlike other recent attacks on the Latin American socialist bloc; it emanates mainly from the left of the political spectrum. But that doesn’t mean the US isn’t behind it.

Over 100 people have been killed since unrest broke out in mid April. Student demonstrations began in the capital Managua as a reaction to the country’s failure to handle forest fires in one of the most protected areas of the Indio Maiz Biological Reserve. The situation was then exacerbated when, two days later, the ruling Sandinista National Liberation Front announced it was slashing pensions and social security payments, sparking further anti-government protests. Targeted opposition violence along with police repressions have led to a mounting body count on both sides. Violence persists in the country, despite the fact that President Ortega has now ditched the proposed welfare reforms and has been engaging in talks with the opposition.

The government has adamantly denied it was responsible for snipers killing at least 15 people at a recent demonstration. And, while we may never know what really happened, it’s fair to say an embattled national leadership in the midst of peace talks has little to gain from people being gunned down in front of the world’s media at an opposition march on Mother’s Day. All I’ll say on the matter is it’s not like we didn’t have mysterious sharpshooters picking off protesters during US-supported coups in Venezuela and Ukraine.

With his approval ratings recently reaching as high as 80 percent during the 2017 presidential campaign, Nicaragua’s President Daniel Ortega is far from a dictator.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/428718-nicaragua-unrest-us-fingerprint/

Isn't this odd if what he says is true? Does anyone have video of the violinists playing?
Ortega pointed out that there are similarities between the right wing protesters in Nicaragua and those that attempted to topple the Venezuelan government in 2017. In both cases violinists played amidst the presence of police and young women screamed similar phrases in violent protests in both countries.

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/President-Daniel-Ortega-To-TeleSUR-The-Coup-Was-Defeated-20180724-0027.html

Here is an interview with Ortega by France 24 back in September


SpamuraiSensei said:
I'll never understand the people that flee dangerous countries for the USA, but still proudly wave their countries home flag around.

Flags are often used as symbols of cultural heritage or of nation independent of the state government. Like how people in parts of the US use the confederate battle flag to represent Southern pride even if they themselves aren't racists or neo-confederates.
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I'll never understand the people that flee dangerous countries for the USA, but still proudly wave their countries home flag around.


One of their most prominent and most respected people in the USA was literally a member of the Nicaraguan dictatorship.

Its an odd people. That dictatorship was particularly bad as it was basically feudalism and slavery for indigenous people.
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@Tread So basically the CIA is an all knowing, all seeing organization that is responsible for everything on the planet. Who have also taken complete control of the Democrat party.

Ortega and Putin's problem is thus.
"The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."


Then you either need to walk back the glorious socialism, which has demonstrable proven to be violently unpopular or take some CIA outside money. WHich I am sure comes with some serious caveats.




Violins??? What violins? Don't forget the Sandinistas was/is backed by the apparatus of the former USSR and current Russian Federation. Though I hear Putin is a bit strapped for cash at the moment.
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