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Mar 24, 2010 4:42 PM

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zebra_boy said:
lol... I can't win.
It could be dormant in most cases, or appear when both parents have certain genes. How do you think genetic diseases that kill you before adulthood appear?

Then explain why when a gay woman has a baby it is no more likely to be gay it's self than if a normal woman had the baby.


Wait, but I thought you said that it's not normal to be homosexual. So it's alright to think about it, but not to act on it?

But how many people were surveyed for that 4%? Who knows who could have been lying about it, too. But, if you can't trust data, then there's nothing left to trust.

Then please explain to be how there are homosexuals if you aren't born gay or put into situations.

I was giving a example that's a bit higher on the homosexual end of the spectrum. The example I should have given was a guy dating a woman with a man butt, or a musclely woman, or something of that nature.
And I may be ignorant but I'm not ignorant to the feelings of others. When we talked about the subject of gay in my psych class several people got grossed out. 3-5 in a class of 25.
I don't know. But a random survey usually yields a pretty accurate result.
Anyway the most likely cause of the gay is a mixture of culture influences, genetic influences, and choice.

Anyway the most likely cause of the gay is a mixture of culture influences, genetic influences, and choice.

Kissing=/= sex.


3-5 out of 25 isn't "several".
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zebra_boy said:
lol... I can't win.
It could be dormant in most cases, or appear when both parents have certain genes. How do you think genetic diseases that kill you before adulthood appear?

Then explain why when a gay woman has a baby it is no more likely to be gay it's self than if a normal woman had the baby.


Wait, but I thought you said that it's not normal to be homosexual. So it's alright to think about it, but not to act on it?

But how many people were surveyed for that 4%? Who knows who could have been lying about it, too. But, if you can't trust data, then there's nothing left to trust.

Then please explain to be how there are homosexuals if you aren't born gay or put into situations.

I was giving a example that's a bit higher on the homosexual end of the spectrum. The example I should have given was a guy dating a woman with a man butt, or a musclely woman, or something of that nature.
And I may be ignorant but I'm not ignorant to the feelings of others. When we talked about the subject of gay in my psych class several people got grossed out. 3-5 in a class of 25.
I don't know. But a random survey usually yields a pretty accurate result.
Anyway the most likely cause of the gay is a mixture of culture influences, genetic influences, and choice.

Anyway the most likely cause of the gay is a mixture of culture influences, genetic influences, and choice.

Kissing=/= sex.


Good. You understand that. And I'm not trying to change minds. I'm just explaining where my standing comes from. Because it's its own person.

But those examples are pointless, also. Because those are called preferences. A man can be straight, and not care about her ass in the slightest or just overlook it. Or maybe he likes muscles on a woman (not sure why, though).

You're not ignorant to other's feelings? I'm forced to use your own words against you again.

zebra_boy said:
Prom is suppose to be a good time, one of the best moments in highschool, then some fat dyke comes marching in with her ugly girlfriend and they are kissing up on each other and shit.


If you're not ignorant, that means you know that what you were saying could potentially be hurtful?

Internet =/= Porn
But does that mean everyone that uses the internet uses it for porn?
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High school prom doesn't have 25 people.

And those were just the people who showed their discomfort.

Besides 3>2. Instead of ruining 2 gay's prom they ruin 3 normal people's prom.

You're not ignorant to other's feelings? I'm forced to use your own words against you again.

Lol I didn't say that I respected or cared about them. Just that I notice them. But again in terms of the greater good 3>2.

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zebra_boy said:
High school prom doesn't have 25 people.

And those were just the people who showed their discomfort.

Besides 3>2. Instead of ruining 2 gay's prom they ruin 3 normal people's prom.


Well for them it has zero, because people aren't accepting. Don't schools promote no bullying? Yet they go and take away prom because a couple of girls want to go together. It's just asking for it.

Well, people that aren't comfortable can shove it.

If it can't be equal, then don't have it at all.

I'm done being factual. -_- Too bored with it, and my playlist switched over to faster music.

And this is starting to make me think about how that other school in Mississippi had a segregated prom last year.
Mar 24, 2010 5:13 PM

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zebra_boy said:
High school prom doesn't have 25 people.

And those were just the people who showed their discomfort.

Besides 3>2. Instead of ruining 2 gay's prom they ruin 3 normal people's prom.

You're not ignorant to other's feelings? I'm forced to use your own words against you again.

Lol I didn't say that I respected or cared about them. Just that I notice them. But again in terms of the greater good 3>2.



Lol trolling.
Mar 24, 2010 5:26 PM

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I read this a few days or weeks ago.

I don't have anything to say about it, though. It's just a matter of time.
Mar 24, 2010 6:35 PM
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Fun fun fuuun~♥

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:D
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Jeez. The prom was canceled just because of that? It's no big deal.
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Lilah said:
Fun fun fuuun~♥

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:D


I cornered him, I think. Ever since then, he isn't answering. TT-TT Too bad, too. I would love to hear his answers to these.
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I don't see why you guys keep harassing zebra. Everything he's said so far has been the complete truth. Of course, all you damn pagans and atheists just can't seem to repress your argumentative natures.
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And it is abnormal seeing as only 4% of the world population is gay, it was also classified as a disease before. Can't say that heterosexuality was diagnosed as a psychological disorder before.
This ^.

Homosexuality is just like left-handedness. I've tried convincing people that left-handedness is a disease too, since it's abnormal and disturbing (only 7-10% of people are left-handed), but no, liberals seem to revel in being all different and non-conformist. Every time I see a person pick up a pencil with his or her left hand, I can't seem to prevent myself from getting nauseous. One time, I was seated on an airplane next to a left-hander and couldn't stand the thought of him filling out the Times' crossword puzzle with his gross wrongly dominant hand, so I left and took the next plane, getting to the hospital eighteen hours late and six hours after my mother's death. Of course, it was all worth it to avoid those stupid left-handers.
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Another fallacy. People aren't born gay, but people aren't cornered into being gay either.
This too ^.

I've never heard any stories about boys being born faggots wanting to fuck their male doctors in the asses. All men are born straight, and it has to be the devil's work that turns them into homosexuals. When I was born, I was already lusting after my nurse; the way she was sweating like a dog like she'd been screaming for an hour with her blouse slightly open and her pink tank top showing made it obvious that she was clearly asking for it. In my childhood, all of my friends were completely straight, but one of them turned gay somehow. I think he had been cursed by the devil for not attending church one day. Even though we had all begun flirting and picking up hot bitches when we were about 14 months old, he didn't start until 14 years. Sickening stuff. I had my first girlfriend when I was 2 and had my first kiss a week after. Four months after we began dating, I had finally rounded all three bases and hit home with her (which was on my third birthday). Of course, I met even more gay kids throughout elementary school who kept saying shit like 'girls have cooties, girls have cooties' and some other homo stuff like the gays they were. They didn't start dating the opposite sex like real men until they were 13 or 14 or some shit, like something suddenly happened and they suddenly liked girls. To this day, I still think they're faking it, since even though one of them goes home with a different girl every night, he's just putting on a show while he gives it to their brothers, faggot that he is.

So yeah, damn homosexuals. I hope they all die like the diseased vermin they are. I can relate to that school board, since if any girl at my prom whipped out a penis and started fucking her girlfriend, I'd definitely stab her, since the only cure for homosexuality is death. If this doesn't stop soon, we might be seeing left-handed homosexuals in the future, and then all justice in the world will be gone.
Mar 24, 2010 6:43 PM

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You really went, uh, outside the box on that one.
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McMillen said she feared she would be thrown out of the prom because "we do live in the Bible Belt."
The Bible Belt is biggest shit hole of Christianity. Very street there's a fucking church. EVERYONE is a christian. It's just blah. =.=
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qtipbrit said:
I don't see why you guys keep harassing zebra. Everything he's said so far has been the complete truth. Of course, all you damn pagans and atheists just can't seem to repress your argumentative natures.
zebra_boy said:
And it is abnormal seeing as only 4% of the world population is gay, it was also classified as a disease before. Can't say that heterosexuality was diagnosed as a psychological disorder before.
This ^.

Homosexuality is just like left-handedness. I've tried convincing people that left-handedness is a disease too, since it's abnormal and disturbing (only 7-10% of people are left-handed), but no, liberals seem to revel in being all different and non-conformist. Every time I see a person pick up a pencil with his or her left hand, I can't seem to prevent myself from getting nauseous. One time, I was seated on an airplane next to a left-hander and couldn't stand the thought of him filling out the Times' crossword puzzle with his gross wrongly dominant hand, so I left and took the next plane, getting to the hospital eighteen hours late and six hours after my mother's death. Of course, it was all worth it to avoid those stupid left-handers.
zebra_boy said:
Another fallacy. People aren't born gay, but people aren't cornered into being gay either.
This too ^.

I've never heard any stories about boys being born faggots wanting to fuck their male doctors in the asses. All men are born straight, and it has to be the devil's work that turns them into homosexuals. When I was born, I was already lusting after my nurse; the way she was sweating like a dog like she'd been screaming for an hour with her blouse slightly open and her pink tank top showing made it obvious that she was clearly asking for it. In my childhood, all of my friends were completely straight, but one of them turned gay somehow. I think he had been cursed by the devil for not attending church one day. Even though we had all begun flirting and picking up hot bitches when we were about 14 months old, he didn't start until 14 years. Sickening stuff. I had my first girlfriend when I was 2 and had my first kiss a week after. Four months after we began dating, I had finally rounded all three bases and hit home with her (which was on my third birthday). Of course, I met even more gay kids throughout elementary school who kept saying shit like 'girls have cooties, girls have cooties' and some other homo stuff like the gays they were. They didn't start dating the opposite sex like real men until they were 13 or 14 or some shit, like something suddenly happened and they suddenly liked girls. To this day, I still think they're faking it, since even though one of them goes home with a different girl every night, he's just putting on a show while he gives it to their brothers, faggot that he is.

So yeah, damn homosexuals. I hope they all die like the diseased vermin they are. I can relate to that school board, since if any girl at my prom whipped out a penis and started fucking her girlfriend, I'd definitely stab her, since the only cure for homosexuality is death. If this doesn't stop soon, we might be seeing left-handed homosexuals in the future, and then all justice in the world will be gone.


XD Thank you for that. I needed a good laugh.
Mar 24, 2010 6:51 PM

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Silly Americans!
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zebra_boy said:
High school prom doesn't have 25 people.

And those were just the people who showed their discomfort.

Besides 3>2. Instead of ruining 2 gay's prom they ruin 3 normal people's prom.

You're not ignorant to other's feelings? I'm forced to use your own words against you again.

Lol I didn't say that I respected or cared about them. Just that I notice them. But again in terms of the greater good 3>2.


I don't understand your "if they offend, they shouldn't be allowed in the prom," attitude. Are you saying that you'd exclude people you believe to be "ugly" because they'd offend people? And I don't understand why in the world you had earlier mentioned sodomy when it's clear that they're not going to commit sodomy on the dance floor. Hyperbole may be fine but what does that have to do with argumentation?

What if some people are offended by black people attending the prom? Should no black people attend the prom as well? At what point do we draw the line in "offense"?

I would argue that if you're using the Utilitarianism argument, greatest good for the greatest number, then trampling on the rights of a few tramples on the rights of all.
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lol.
My foot tastes good. :/

Edit:
No black people aren't offensive, unless it's an interracial couple. Holy shit that get's me angrier than lefties.
I guess it's offensive if it's too the point where it will elicit unfavorable, uncharacteristic behavior from a large group?
Or maybe the greater good as you said. And it's just two girls. They could have had their unpure "prom" somewhere else, maybe they could have thrown an all gay prom.
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Meh, alright. Leave zebra alone. It's over. Go back to the original topic.
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I'm not as biggoted as I seem. Honest.
Mar 24, 2010 7:11 PM

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I think you're probably a really cool guy. I'm over it. No point in keeping up this stuff any longer than it already is.
Mar 24, 2010 7:12 PM

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Its stupid -.-
Mar 24, 2010 7:14 PM
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Some of my best friends are homophobes.
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i think its bullshit that it got canceled just because of that come on now who does that? oh that's right ppl who dislike different ppl just because of their sexual orientation, wow really that's why?

come on are you kidding me ANYONE CAN LOVE ANYBODY THEY DAMN WELL PLEASE REGARDLESS IF ITS A GIRL OR BOY heck it isn't anyone's business if they love a boy or a girl.

and that whole disease crap really? like really? your kidding me please it isn't a fucking disease no one chooses to be discriminated against 24/7 and that whole bible shit saying its a sin well adultery is a sin too right? and yet still ppl do that come on seriously gays, lesbains, bis they have feelings surprisingly enough they are ppl just like us who happen to like the same sex so what if they do who are any of us to judge them just because of that?(again anyone can love anybody they damn well please because its their fucking life not yours)

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fluffyboy said:
sex-appropriate attire.

Now I feel even more sick to my stomach.
As if I needed even more repugnant experiences making me a disgruntled AndrogyFascist TransNazi.

Enforcing this...disgust. I just...I just. Oh God. I shudder to even speak of what is on my mind right now.

Old avatar and sig retired for now.
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Feel like it could have been resolved if they just wore a dress instead of a tux. Girls take their friends who are females to prom often.
Then nobody, teacher wise, would have known it was her girlfriend. It's not like they allow you to dry hump each other or make out at prom. If you're dancing too close to another person the teacher comes out and cock blocks you.
Stupidity on her part.
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zebra_boy said:
Feel like it could have been resolved if they just wore a dress instead of a tux. Girls take their friends who are females to prom often.
Then nobody, teacher wise, would have known it was her girlfriend. It's not like they allow you to dry hump each other or make out at prom. If you're dancing too close to another person the teacher comes out and cock blocks you.
Stupidity on her part.


Does it really matter if they wear dresses or tuxedos? It's not like they're wearing anything that is meant to be offensive or obscene in itself.
Mar 24, 2010 7:29 PM

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Although I am dead set against gay marriage and the like. I don't think the school board had to cancel the whole Prom.
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What do you think would happen if a guy went wearing a dress?
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zebra_boy said:
What do you think would happen if a guy went wearing a dress?


I would think that if they want to do as they wish with no harm to anyone else, let them. What does it harm you if a guy wears a dress? "Repulsion"? "Disgust"? "Discomfort"? I can find a plethora of things to list off that could possibly elicit such feelings. Should we regulate them all? What if I find your face revolting or unsightly? What if I were to find discomfort or repulsion for people who "date from different heights"? What if someone finds revulsion from a black haired person and a blonde haired person together? At what point do we stop the regulations?

At what point does regulation stop and liberty begin?
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zebra_boy said:
What do you think would happen if a guy went wearing a dress?


What's wrong with a guy wearing a dress or women wearing pants? It makes no sense. Clothes are essentially designed for protecting our bodies from outside elements and for covering our nakedness.

People only feel threatened by the idea of a man wearing a dress because he would be wearing something that would make him "less of a man" in the eyes of other men. And that would make everyone insecure, since they don't like the idea of a man being anything but a man. So then they ostracise him for wearing what is just a piece of CLOTH.
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zebra_boy said:
What do you think would happen if a guy went wearing a dress?


What's wrong with a guy wearing a dress or women wearing pants? It makes no sense. Clothes are essentially designed for protecting our bodies from outside elements and for covering our nakedness.

People only feel threatened by the idea of a man wearing a dress because he would be wearing something that would make him "less of a man" in the eyes of other men. And that would make everyone insecure, since they don't like the idea of a man being anything but a man. So then they ostracise him for wearing what is just a piece of CLOTH.


I really feel constrained from societal norms of the regulations of the behavior of men. It's not the norm for men to "feel emotional" other than anger which can certainly take its toll.

Same could be said for women and their perception of being "purely emotional" as well.
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I really feel constrained from societal norms of the regulations of the behavior of men. It's not the norm for men to "feel emotional" other than anger which can certainly take its toll.

Same could be said for women and their perception of being "purely emotional" as well.


The thing is, I feel extremely sorry for men because they've been conditioned for hundreds of years in this side of the planet to deny certain aspects of their humanity. A lot of people say that men aren't supposed to be soft or emotional or cry. Which is rubbish. When a young boy or young girl falls down, isn't it okay for them both to cry? But why years later when something hurts a man, he has to bear it and when it hurts a woman, it's fine if she expresses that pain? It's truly unfair to men that they've been concretised and dehumanised.

Thinking that men are more strong or women are more emotional is utter nonsense, to be honest. We just live in a world where it's okay men to do this, this and this, but they cannot do that, that and that.

But aren't men and women capable of feeling the same emotions since we're the same species, we have the same genetic make-up and we do have the same range of emotions? It really is sad to think that men are actually more marginalised than women and they don't even know it.
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fluffyboy said:
sex-appropriate attire.

Now I feel even more sick to my stomach.
As if I needed even more repugnant experiences making me a disgruntled AndrogyFascist TransNazi.

Enforcing this...disgust. I just...I just. Oh God. I shudder to even speak of what is on my mind right now.


I know, right? It is utterly stupid.

And, speaking as a guy who has worn a dress (not a sight you really want to see, btw...me in a dress *shudders*) I don't see how it makes one "less of a man". I mean...honestly.
Anyone heard of a kilt? It is a man-skirt. Plain and simple. I don't see many people that have problems with kilts.
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tehnominator said:
Yoo-jin said:

I really feel constrained from societal norms of the regulations of the behavior of men. It's not the norm for men to "feel emotional" other than anger which can certainly take its toll.

Same could be said for women and their perception of being "purely emotional" as well.


The thing is, I feel extremely sorry for men because they've been conditioned for hundreds of years in this side of the planet to deny certain aspects of their humanity. A lot of people say that men aren't supposed to be soft or emotional or cry. Which is rubbish. When a young boy or young girl falls down, isn't it okay for them both to cry? But why years later when something hurts a man, he has to bear it and when it hurts a woman, it's fine if she expresses that pain? It's truly unfair to men that they've been concretised and dehumanised.

Thinking that men are more strong or women are more emotional is utter nonsense, to be honest. We just live in a world where it's okay men to do this, this and this, but they cannot do that, that and that.

But aren't men and women capable of feeling the same emotions since we're the same species, we have the same genetic make-up and we do have the same range of emotions? It really is sad to think that men are actually more marginalised than women and they don't even know it.


'tis, as John Stuart Mill argued, the Despotism of Custom. All of these little viewpoints and opinions that always consider its side infallible or that such things are merely "offensive" to them in some sort of way. At least in this time period people aren't executed (for the most part in developed countries) for dissenting opinions. Of course, zebra_boy is free to state and think what he likes even if I do dislike it. However, I see too many shackles that oppress people, as you have said, without them knowing it.

I really do not see the point of the arbitrariness of the cancellation(? I'm having doubt whether or not it was cancelled). I simply hope that people can be convinced that we do not need such regulations when it's clear that it harms no one.
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What's wrong with a guy wearing a dress or women wearing pants? It makes no sense. Clothes are essentially designed for protecting our bodies from outside elements and for covering our nakedness.

People only feel threatened by the idea of a man wearing a dress because he would be wearing something that would make him "less of a man" in the eyes of other men.


Actually, the guys who wear dresses in public aren't people you want to fuck with. I've both personally known and heard of amateur fighters who dress up in drag for the hell of it, (as well as rugby and football players) and even if it's a tranny drag queen, they combine the physical strength of a man with the hysterical violence of a woman.

That being said, I understand that a rural school district being homophobic sucks and everything, but calling in the ACLU was a similarly classless and selfish act that ruined it for everyone else.

It's also possible, although the article doesn't mention it, that this rule was enacted so that the lesbians in question didn't get beat up/sexually assaulted by the other students.

Which, of course, would be a much bigger problem for the school than them not attending the dance.
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As annoying as this is, I'm not surprised. This isn't the first school that has done something like this over something so stupid...


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YoungVagabond said:
tehnominator said:

What's wrong with a guy wearing a dress or women wearing pants? It makes no sense. Clothes are essentially designed for protecting our bodies from outside elements and for covering our nakedness.

People only feel threatened by the idea of a man wearing a dress because he would be wearing something that would make him "less of a man" in the eyes of other men.


Actually, the guys who wear dresses in public aren't people you want to fuck with. I've both personally known and heard of amateur fighters who dress up in drag for the hell of it, (as well as rugby and football players) and even if it's a tranny drag queen, they combine the physical strength of a man with the hysterical violence of a woman.

That being said, I understand that a rural school district being homophobic sucks and everything, but calling in the ACLU was a similarly classless and selfish act that ruined it for everyone else.

It's also possible, although the article doesn't mention it, that this rule was enacted so that the lesbians in question didn't get beat up/sexually assaulted by the other students.

Which, of course, would be a much bigger problem for the school than them not attending the dance.
Oh look, someone who doesn't immediately say "KILL THE CHRISTFAGS" and thinks about all logical scenarios. /gasp
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Defiance said:
YoungVagabond said:
tehnominator said:

What's wrong with a guy wearing a dress or women wearing pants? It makes no sense. Clothes are essentially designed for protecting our bodies from outside elements and for covering our nakedness.

People only feel threatened by the idea of a man wearing a dress because he would be wearing something that would make him "less of a man" in the eyes of other men.


Actually, the guys who wear dresses in public aren't people you want to fuck with. I've both personally known and heard of amateur fighters who dress up in drag for the hell of it, (as well as rugby and football players) and even if it's a tranny drag queen, they combine the physical strength of a man with the hysterical violence of a woman.

That being said, I understand that a rural school district being homophobic sucks and everything, but calling in the ACLU was a similarly classless and selfish act that ruined it for everyone else.

It's also possible, although the article doesn't mention it, that this rule was enacted so that the lesbians in question didn't get beat up/sexually assaulted by the other students.

Which, of course, would be a much bigger problem for the school than them not attending the dance.
Oh look, someone who doesn't immediately say "KILL THE CHRISTFAGS" and thinks about all logical scenarios. /gasp


Somehow, I would think that (seeing as they haven't really kept it a secret), they could've been beaten up a long time ago or been beaten up prom or not. Does this arbitrary rule really defend them from being beaten up?
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McMillen said she feared she would be thrown out of the prom because "we do live in the Bible Belt."
The Bible Belt is biggest shit hole of Christianity. Very street there's a fucking church. EVERYONE is a christian. It's just blah. =.=
This reminds me... The next time its sunday and some christians come knocking on my door to join there church or some crap... I am going to have a goth looking outfit all set up just waiting for them and tell them that i worship the devil.
Lets see how they like that!

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Yoo-jin said:
Defiance said:
YoungVagabond said:
tehnominator said:

What's wrong with a guy wearing a dress or women wearing pants? It makes no sense. Clothes are essentially designed for protecting our bodies from outside elements and for covering our nakedness.

People only feel threatened by the idea of a man wearing a dress because he would be wearing something that would make him "less of a man" in the eyes of other men.


Actually, the guys who wear dresses in public aren't people you want to fuck with. I've both personally known and heard of amateur fighters who dress up in drag for the hell of it, (as well as rugby and football players) and even if it's a tranny drag queen, they combine the physical strength of a man with the hysterical violence of a woman.

That being said, I understand that a rural school district being homophobic sucks and everything, but calling in the ACLU was a similarly classless and selfish act that ruined it for everyone else.

It's also possible, although the article doesn't mention it, that this rule was enacted so that the lesbians in question didn't get beat up/sexually assaulted by the other students.

Which, of course, would be a much bigger problem for the school than them not attending the dance.
Oh look, someone who doesn't immediately say "KILL THE CHRISTFAGS" and thinks about all logical scenarios. /gasp


Somehow, I would think that (seeing as they haven't really kept it a secret), they could've been beaten up a long time ago or been beaten up prom or not. Does this arbitrary rule really defend them from being beaten up?
If you have a problem with what YV said, bring it up with him. I just took note of the fact he wasn't completely denouncing the school like so many others in the thread have.

Obviously the situation was causing a political fiasco with the ACLU being brought in so not to undermine their position and not deny the student from entering, they canceled it.

Growing up in the deep south(Texas and the last 2 years of HS in Jackson, MS) I can assure you I would feel uncomfortable with lesbians showing up dressed in tuxedos. Most people down here prefer a more traditional approach to everything. It's not that we hate gays, but to attack such a simple tradition as boys showing up in tux's and girls coming in dresses is considered offensive.

EDIT: I'm not even religious so don't think that is taking any part of my view.
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Somehow, I would think that (seeing as they haven't really kept it a secret), they could've been beaten up a long time ago or been beaten up prom or not. Does this arbitrary rule really defend them from being beaten up?


You've never been to a prom, have you?

At prom, people get drunk, rowdy, and since it's the end of high school, really let loose. Things that they would have refrained from a few months ago because of possible suspension/expulsion suddenly become enticing. There are usually a decent amount of fights at prom.

I can easily imagine some good old boy about to start his blue-collar job in two weeks getting drunk, and getting together with his buddies to harass/beat up/sexually assault the couple.
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If you have a problem with what YV said, bring it up with him. I just took note of the fact he wasn't completely denouncing the school like so many others in the thread have.

Obviously the situation was causing a political fiasco with the ACLU being brought in so not to undermine their position and not deny the student from entering, they canceled it.

Growing up in the deep south(Texas and the last 2 years of HS in Jackson, MS) I can assure you I would feel uncomfortable with lesbians showing up dressed in tuxedos. Most people down here prefer a more traditional approach to everything. It's not that we hate gays, but to attack such a simple tradition as boys showing up in tux's and girls coming in dresses is considered offensive.

EDIT: I'm not even religious so don't think that is taking any part of my view.


To me, it seems that some traditions are rather arbitrary. Just because it's tradition does not mean that it's correct.

It is important to see the school's side of the things as you have stated. I agree with that. I also disagree with all of the name-calling and bashing in this thread. We don't really need to insult each other.

It also seems that the school has gotten quite a few e-mails regarding this whole deal involving name-calling and such. As the BBC quotes the principal:

"I've been called every name known to man," the Clarion Ledger reported Trae Wiygul as saying. "I've been called a bigot, a homophobe and a few cuss words. It's been pretty rough."

I certainly know that it's difficult for people to just change tradition. It's "just how things have been." Like a sort of rite of passage and something that should show how things have been. I just don't agree with it.
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Yoo-jin said:

Somehow, I would think that (seeing as they haven't really kept it a secret), they could've been beaten up a long time ago or been beaten up prom or not. Does this arbitrary rule really defend them from being beaten up?


You've never been to a prom, have you?

At prom, people get drunk, rowdy, and since it's the end of high school, really let loose. Things that they would have refrained from a few months ago because of possible suspension/expulsion suddenly become enticing. There are usually a decent amount of fights at prom.

I can easily imagine some good old boy about to start his blue-collar job in two weeks getting drunk, and getting together with his buddies to harass/beat up/sexually assault the couple.


Hmm... Perhaps it is a legitimate concern, then. I concede that there may certainly be dangers if that is the case. However, I still find it wrong to wish to beat up someone simply because they dress "in the wrong clothes".
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Hmm... Perhaps it is a legitimate concern, then. I concede that there may certainly be dangers if that is the case. However, I still find it wrong to wish to beat up someone simply because they dress "in the wrong clothes".


It's certainly wrong, everyone's agreed on that point, but unfortunately, it's also the reality.

I remember in Russia (where I was born) a few years ago, there was a gay pride parade interrupted by a group of old grannies and grandfathers and a group of Nazi white supremacists joining forces to chase and attack the homosexuals. If the police hadn't shown up, they probably would have been ripped to shreds.

Obviously, it wouldn't have been as bad in an American high school, but safety is still a huge concern at any prom, let alone in a case like this.
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I certainly know that it's difficult for people to just change tradition. It's "just how things have been." Like a sort of rite of passage and something that should show how things have been. I just don't agree with it.
That's just the kind of mentality that we consider insulting. You believe our entire society needs to be changed when we like it just the way it is.

You just don't agree with it? Then move away. Liberals believe a 15 year old is perfectly mature enough to go get an abortion without parental consent(or even knowledge). Why aren't they mature enough to quit bitching and just move away to an area with like minded individuals when they turn 18?

To me, your argument sounds just as valid as a conservative complaining about all the gay couples in San Francisco showing up at their prom wearing whatever they wanted. They don't like it? Then move away.

This is the whole reason states have their own laws, so they can serve themselves best to the state's believes.
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YoungVagabond said:
Yoo-jin said:

Hmm... Perhaps it is a legitimate concern, then. I concede that there may certainly be dangers if that is the case. However, I still find it wrong to wish to beat up someone simply because they dress "in the wrong clothes".


It's certainly wrong, everyone's agreed on that point, but unfortunately, it's also the reality.

I remember in Russia (where I was born) a few years ago, there was a gay pride parade interrupted by a group of old grannies and grandfathers and a group of Nazi white supremacists joining forces to chase and attack the homosexuals. If the police hadn't shown up, they probably would have been ripped to shreds.

Obviously, it wouldn't have been as bad in an American high school, but safety is still a huge concern at any prom, let alone in a case like this.


Well, then the problem arises. How would we alleviate this problem? I doubt, if left to its own devices, the policy or ideology would change much.
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Yoo-jin said:
I certainly know that it's difficult for people to just change tradition. It's "just how things have been." Like a sort of rite of passage and something that should show how things have been. I just don't agree with it.
That's just the kind of mentality that we consider insulting. You believe our entire society needs to be changed when we like it just the way it is.

You just don't agree with it? Then move away. Liberals believe a 15 year old is perfectly mature enough to go get an abortion without parental consent(or even knowledge). Why aren't they mature enough to quit bitching and just move away to an area with like minded individuals when they turn 18?

To me, your argument sounds just as valid as a conservative complaining about all the gay couples in San Francisco showing up at their prom wearing whatever they wanted. They don't like it? Then move away.

This is the whole reason states have their own laws, so they can serve themselves best to the state's believes.


Who said anything about moving away? I didn't say anything about people having to move away.

But my point: how does it adversely affect you in the way people dress if the clothing in itself is inoffensive? Is simple discomfort enough to disallow it?

This is certainly reminding me of John Stuart Mill's "On Liberty".

John Stuart Mill said:
But the strongest of all the arguments against the interference of the public with purely personal conduct, is that when it does interfere, the odds are that it interferes wrongly, and in the wrong place. On questions of social morality, of duty to others, the opinion of the public, that is, of an overruling majority, though often wrong, is likely to be still oftener right; because on such questions they are only required to judge of their own interests; of the manner in which some mode of conduct, if allowed to be practised, would affect themselves. But the opinion of a similar majority, imposed as a law on the minority, on questions of self-regarding conduct, is quite as likely to be wrong as right; for in these cases public opinion means, at the best, some people's opinion of what is good or bad for other people; while very often it does not even mean that; the public, with the most perfect indifference, passing over the pleasure or convenience of those whose conduct they censure, and considering only their own preference. There are many who consider as an injury to themselves any conduct which they have a distaste for, and resent it as an outrage to their feelings; as a religious bigot, when charged with disregarding the religious feelings of others, has been known to retort that they disregard his feelings, by persisting in their abominable worship or creed. But there is no parity between the feeling of a person for his own opinion, and the feeling of another who is offended at his holding it; no more than between the desire of a thief to take a purse, and the desire of the right owner to keep it. And a person's taste is as much his own peculiar concern as his opinion or his purse. It is easy for any one to imagine an ideal public, which leaves the freedom and choice of individuals in all uncertain matters undisturbed, and only requires them to abstain from modes of conduct which universal experience has condemned. But where has there been seen a public which set any such limit to its censorship? or when does the public trouble itself about universal experience? In its interferences with personal conduct it is seldom thinking of anything but the enormity of acting or feeling differently from itself; and this standard of judgment, thinly disguised, is held up to mankind as the dictate of religion and philosophy, by nine-tenths of all moralists and speculative writers. These teach that things are right because they are right; because we feel them to be so. They tell us to search in our own minds and hearts for laws of conduct binding on ourselves and on all others. What can the poor public do but apply these instructions, and make their own personal feelings of good and evil, if they are tolerably unanimous in them, obligatory on all the world?
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Pretentious cunt.


Who?
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Thats so messed up, lesbians should totally be able to dance
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Who said anything about moving away? I didn't say anything about people having to move away.
Um, I think you should reread what I said.

Also,
Yoo-jin said:
Hybrid00 said:
Pretentious cunt.


Who?
Good question.
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