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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Poor Ippo :( He gave it his all but it wasn't enough. I wouldn't be ashamed though and I bet his coach is proud of how far he's come. |
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| This really doesn't make sense. Morikawa just downgraded Ippo's knowledge and experience of boxing so that he loses to some poor Philippino random guy. Ippo suddenly became pathetic and anxious when he should have been serious and box conservatively. If Morikawa hadn't shitted on his work this fight would have ended with Ippo as the winner and the other guy paraplegic |
| I'm friggin destroyed. |
| Morikawa got balls to go that route. The only way there is hope for Ippo to return is to have a time skip or so. Also there is his promise to retire if he lose again and he did. |
| Im realy sad so, we never gonna see Ippo vs Miyata, ever |
"I can see it! The greatest fortress in the world... OUTER HEAVEN!! And somewhere ahead... METAL GEAR is waiting! LET´S GO!!" |
| It's over. Or is it over? He's still young but he made a promise. I was ready as I already know the outcome because I got spoiled at reddit. Yet, I can't help to feel emotional on what's gonna happen next. But if this is gonna continue, I would say that what's gonna happen afterwards would be a huge turnaround to Ippo's mindset/personality |
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| oh come ooooooon....... fuck this |
| I was having a depressing day to begin with and I was like "aww yeah new HnI chapters, maybe we finally get to see Ippo nailing Guevarra withe the new Dempsey" Reads chapter ... I think I'm gonna go and sit in a dark corner and ponder as to why I hate everything for awhile... Like it's not like I didn't expect it to go this way(I just hoped it wouldn't), but for the love of Joe he could have atleast landed the Dempsey |
| This can't be how it ends... 1200 chapters only to have Ippo lose to some random idiot after building up the fight for a long ass time. |
| Wooooow. This was pretty sad. Realistic, but sad. Sometimes things just don't go the way you want it to. Despite how hard you work. That's life. On another note, I really hope he wasn't speaking to the readers on Chapter 1201 and George isn't sick from all his working. |
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| Ippo was too damn fixated on that new Dempsey Roll. smh Hajime no Guevara! |
The-JonesNov 29, 2017 3:24 AM
| Seriously, this manga became a joke ! |
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| One picture to resume it all You know it's the end ... When Ippo himself know it. :/ |
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Morayne said: The only thing I can do is lmao at these comments. Jesus. Come on, guys. Ashita No Joe was the biggest inspiration for Morikawa and the ending of that series was also sudden but impactful at the end. It really makes sense for him to go similar ways. I wonder if people went like that, when Ashita No Joe ended. "what a joke of this manga became", because the author chose to go against a happy conclusion. This isn't about Ippo losing to some "random" guy. Ippo has known that he was broken and he never intended to go out as a winner in this fight. He probably even wanted to retire after this fight. The whole fight was about him using the new Dempsey Roll to show the coach his gratitude. Ippo didn't care about winning or losing. The actual gut wrenching thing is that he wasn't able to show it off in the end. The past 5 chapters leading to this conclusion were brilliant. Even if a lot of people are rather upset. These comments here are such a joke. If you are done with the manga because something didn't turn out as you expected, then go. If you didn't even understand what Ippo's intention was and call the fight pathetic or find explanations to justify a possible win of Ippo and to why the outcome is so stupid, then re-read the chapters. The only thing I could see if Morikawa continues Ippo's career at all is to make a timeskip and let Ippo return someday. Otherwise, sometimes boxing careers simply end like this. And while HNI went into fantasy in some fights, it's still a slice of life shonen. EDIT: Don't forget that Morikawa has been feeling ill for the past months and it didn't really get better. Chapter 1201 can be seen as a reflection where Morikawa is Ippo and the readers are meant as the coach, with him not being able to continue and that he's sorry about it. When you realize how shit the conditions of mangaka are (90-100 hours a week, no spare time, 3-4 hours of sleep every day) then it makes sense that in addition to his illness that he simply can't go on. He's has also been drawing it for like 28 years. But of course, understanding and compassion is too much to ask from some readers of manga. It's something that I've noticed throughout many communities when it comes to manga reading. And while Mangaka is a job that those people have chosen for themselves, you can't just ignore the years and the ongoing conditions of these people and it takes a lot of inhumanity to not at least show some form of understanding or respect towards them and their decisions. It is you who seems to be unable to comprehend some basic things. To begin with, it is no secret that Morikawa loves Ashita no Joe but there are many differences between these manga. Joe had a much darker and bleaker tone and much sadder themes. I mean Joe is an orphan that went to juvy and for him boxing was the means to escape from his depressing life, for Ippo it is a hobby that made him a stronger and more independent individual. Moreover, the point of Ashita no Joe manga was to show the hardships of people's daily lives and how it is sometimes impossible for a dream to come true. This is why it took 20 volumes to complete. In HnI the whole point of the story is conquering the top through endless training, that's what we have been seeing for 1000+ chapters. The punch-drunk side-plot just came around chapter 1150. Giving Ippo a Joe-like conclusion is not only unoriginal but pointless as well, it could be done in less chapters with much better ways. It is utterly stupid to write a 1000+ chapter story for a dream not coming true Secondly, personally I don't find Ippo's loss as a stand-alone bad thing. If Guevara was a guy whose character had been built-up with motivations for a couple of chapters like most HnI characters it would have been ok. But no, we just got the "I am a poor Philippino guy" as a character trait. In order for him to win, Ippo started fighting like an amateur with wide jabs after completely dominating Guevara for 2+ rounds. The chapters were sentimental no doubt but this whole fight was above average for HnI standards Thirdly, regarding the "mangaka's life is difficult" again in Morikawa's case it makes no sense. The guy could have just ended the manga at chapter 700 if Ippo and Miyata had fought but he chose to drug it for 250 chaps with the champions of the oriental pacific. Furthermore, most characters of the main cast have had very few serious fights with Takamura having 3(Hawk, Eagle, Bison) and Aokimura having 1 each(Mashiba and Imae). This is contradicting as in one hand most of the cast has had little screentime and has a long way to complete their dreams(mainly Takamura) while Ippo who has been the main focus of the plot just lost his purpose to fight. It is his fault for having a 1200 chapter manga with many unresolved plot points. Even Oda will have completed more than 90% of One Piece by chapter 1200. Morikawa proved to be a mediocre mangaka of a long-running series after such a decision as he just tired himself for no-reason. But of course, not being a fanboy and just seeing things in an objective way is too much to ask from some readers of manga. I really hope the manga to continue and get back its old glory someday |
| WTAF? I'm at a loss for words, can't really believe the outcome of this match and the direction the manga took during this... There was already a lot of teasing during Ippos recovery and the build up for this fight, also, since Ashita no Joe was a big inspiration for this manga it makes a lot of sense. But still, there are a lot differences in the approach and how things were handled here, which made it hard to get ready for this, it happened too soon. If this is really how it's going to end then I'm unbelievably sad over it, Ippo was among the very first shows I picked up when I started to watch anime online 9 years ago, to see it might end like this is devastating. Now over 1 1/2 years later it still didn't end, but we're still dealing with the aftermath and this affair gave us a lot of valuable psychological insight on Ippo. |
FMmatronJun 5, 2019 5:14 AM
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Might as well just end it at this point. This manga has more or less been done for me for years after he lost against the 2nd featherweight champ. I don't think anyone really wants another 1000 chapters of him trying yet again. He's reached his limit. |
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Morayne said: LordAxel said: This really doesn't make sense. Morikawa just downgraded Ippo's knowledge and experience of boxing so that he loses to some poor Philippino random guy. Ippo suddenly became pathetic and anxious when he should have been serious and box conservatively. If Morikawa hadn't shitted on his work this fight would have ended with Ippo as the winner and the other guy paraplegic Saiz- said: I'm done with this manga. You are as good as dead to me, Morikawa. yusuf_etuh said: This was the worst chapter I've read by far. I lowkey kinda saw this coming but I'm still dissapointed. I feel like the manga is being dragged out cause now that he is "terminally I'll" we're going to see less ippo boxing scenes for awhile and that is so annoying. Enough drama, let ippo fight! The_Fan said: Seriously, this manga became a joke ! poundingtherock said: What in the actual fuck George Morikawa. I've been following HnI for over the past decade and I can't believe this is the direction the manga is going. I respect that Morikawa trying to keep the manga realistic and unpredictable, but ,to me, what makes HnI great is the journey of following Ippo's ability to overcome challenges with his grit and hard work. Is it cliche? Yeah but it's fucking shounen manga... To see Ippo not only lose, but in such a pathetic fashion against a fighter no one cares about is dumb. To see an inspiring character like Ippo become broken with an irreparable injury is tragic and there's enough tragedy in life let alone in manga. I'll read Tokyo Ghoul for that. For the love of God, please make Ippo return to greatness and learn to dodge some damn jabs. Rant over. The only thing I can do is lmao at these comments. Jesus. Come on, guys. Ashita No Joe was the biggest inspiration for Morikawa and the ending of that series was also sudden but impactful at the end. It really makes sense for him to go similar ways. I wonder if people went like that, when Ashita No Joe ended. "what a joke of this manga became", because the author chose to go against a happy conclusion. This isn't about Ippo losing to some "random" guy. Ippo has known that he was broken and he never intended to go out as a winner in this fight. He probably even wanted to retire after this fight. The whole fight was about him using the new Dempsey Roll to show the coach his gratitude. Ippo didn't care about winning or losing. The actual gut wrenching thing is that he wasn't able to show it off in the end. The past 5 chapters leading to this conclusion were brilliant. Even if a lot of people are rather upset. These comments here are such a joke. If you are done with the manga because something didn't turn out as you expected, then go. If you didn't even understand what Ippo's intention was and call the fight pathetic or find explanations to justify a possible win of Ippo and to why the outcome is so stupid, then re-read the chapters. The only thing I could see if Morikawa continues Ippo's career at all is to make a timeskip and let Ippo return someday. Otherwise, sometimes boxing careers simply end like this. And while HNI went into fantasy in some fights, it's still a slice of life shonen. EDIT: Don't forget that Morikawa has been feeling ill for the past months and it didn't really get better. Chapter 1201 can be seen as a reflection where Morikawa is Ippo and the readers are meant as the coach, with him not being able to continue and that he's sorry about it. When you realize how shit the conditions of mangaka are (90-100 hours a week, no spare time, 3-4 hours of sleep every day) then it makes sense that in addition to his illness that he simply can't go on. He's has also been drawing it for like 28 years. But of course, understanding and compassion is too much to ask from some readers of manga. It's something that I've noticed throughout many communities when it comes to manga reading. And while Mangaka is a job that those people have chosen for themselves, you can't just ignore the years and the ongoing conditions of these people and it takes a lot of inhumanity to not at least show some form of understanding or respect towards them and their decisions. Talking about the health of Morikawa to justify his weak history doesn't make any sense. You know why, because this match should be ended by Ippo in the first round to show his comeback. Ippo is stronger than the other boxer, it's so obvious dammit ! But Morikawa spent dozens of chapters to prove to us that Ippo is not broken, he is still a boxer, and finally with 1 page of flashback he decides that he is not. There is a rumor that Hajime no Ippo will change to monthly magazine. Maybe! |
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| Heh. Maybe they'll discover that Guevara was doping and have the result overturned to a No Contest. |
| Since the beggining of this fight I got the impression that Guevara would be victorious. He was humble during most of the fight and not worthy of being pummeled by the New Dempsey. As some of you said here he was just a random fighter, even if I became sad with this conclusion I found it acceptable, because it would not be right if this fight was just a cannon fooder for the development of Ippo. This result could give many more options to work with. We still have the promise of retire, but at the same time he was afraid to cross the line drawn by Takamura. To conclude, for me the best story don't always have to deliver the best outcome, but have to make us feel hard, be it happiness or despair. |
ruruxo said: Since the beggining of this fight I got the impression that Guevara would be victorious. He was humble during most of the fight and not worthy of being pummeled by the New Dempsey. As some of you said here he was just a random fighter, even if I became sad with this conclusion I found it acceptable, because it would not be right if this fight was just a cannon fooder for the development of Ippo. This result could give many more options to work with. We still have the promise of retire, but at the same time he was afraid to cross the line drawn by Takamura. To conclude, for me the best story don't always have to deliver the best outcome, but have to make us feel hard, be it happiness or despair. Agreed. Guevara isn't just some random fighter. He is a cannon fodder, as said in chapter 1179, and Ippo was ready to test his new weapon against him. Morikawa made us believe Ippo would win with ease and would relaunch his career, just like he did in his comebacks matches after Date and Sawamura. Rinse and repeat. However, nothing is the same anymore. The damage Ippo received though his whole career did take its toll on him. It was the hard truth, and was heavily foreshadowed, but no one wanted to admit it. Nor Ippo, nor the coach, nor the readers. Everyone tried to sweep the truth under the rug, under the New Dempsey. Now, reality ensues. The New Dempsey wasn't enough. Ippo just couldn't cross the line. It's sad to say goodbye to his boxing career, but the timing is perfect. Morikawa did a great job in the end. |
VenariStrigasNov 29, 2017 8:22 PM
| ...Is this really how it ends? I'm not mad, I'm just really sad. After 1202 chapters of following the journey of this weak kid turned world class boxer, is this really how it ends? Although I can't say he hadn't already foreshadowed this kind of an ending for a long time.. This ending just leaves me speechless. |
"You either die an Ashita no Joe, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Naruto."  |
| To start things off I have to congratulate Guaverra on this win. The guy stood his ground till the end, he did not break under Ippo's pressure and strength like so many boxers that Ippo faced before, he even managed to pull a win with broken ribs and a broken right arm, now that's impressive. We all know that Takamura has some supernatural animal instincts, but this is even beyond we all could have imagined, he was the first to notice that Ippo was "punch drunk" and that he hasn't recovered from it. Plus he is the one who is the most concerned about coach Kamogawa, since he knows that Kamogawa is going to blame himself for the outcome of this match. Takamura sure has grown from the goffy character that he was in the beginning to the serious man that he is now, he is still goffy and all that but not so much anymore. IF the manga ends with Ippo retiring I'll probably be sad, but I would be happy if Morikawa continues the manga, despite Ippo's retirement. I want to see Takamura conquer the remaining three weight classes, as well Sendo vs Alfredo Gonzalez and Ricardo Martinez, as well as Miyata's and Mashiba's fights vs some world ranked boxers or even champions. And I'll end with this, if you read chapter 1201 again,while having in mind that Morikawa is Ippo and we(the readers) are the coach sends shivers down my spine for some reason xD |
| This ending was foreshadowed long ago. Again I go back to that line Takamura drew next to the tree where Ippo started boxing. It's a line Ippo still hasn't crossed, literally. So if Ippo really is broken, he is not broken because of being punch drunk, he is broken because he lost his cause. To be honest, so did we. Why has Ippo been boxing for the past couple of years? And this fight, fuck it. Fuck it with a giant black dildo. I don't care that he lost, I care to whom he lost. To some random guy whose personality can literally be summerized into a sentence - A poor random guy who fights to feed his family. That's all. Fuck that. Morikawa pulled a fast one on us, and not because he made Ippo lose, but because Guevarra had no personality. If this was any other fight before Gonzales, he would have put that little piece of shit into the ground. Instead, we got a cocktease for a new Dempsey, and much like Ichigo's new Bankai in Bleach, we saw... None of it. This fight was badly scripted from the getgo in order to take a new direction, and I will never get behind that. The only thing I now need to know is whether Ippo will end of not. If it does, I simply want to keep moving with my life. There is still Kingdom I am reading, and that manga freaking rocks. Shin will get his chance, and that will finally wash away this piece of crap that has been crammed down HnI fan's throats. We did not deserve this, but we have to make best of it, and the best of it is to simply move on and forget this crap ever happened. There is nothing worse than a horrible ending (not bad ending as in novels, but badly written one) to one of the best journeys there ever was. EDIT - Here's Guevarra's description for Ippowikia; "Antonio is from a poor family beneath the Smokey Mountain. His goal is to bring back a lot of money for his family of two parents and six siblings." WHAT THE FUCK MORIKAWA?!? |
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