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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- so there's the original Sebastian where our demon boy got his name! I was surprised that Ciel knew Undertaker all the way back then, that guy is always around somewhere. I was really interested seeing the relationship between the two Ciels, but now I'm just sad that we have to wait another month to see what the big event that happened was... |
| I need to protect our Ciel. |
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JadeCeci said: I need Another chapter then Another more Precisely. Yana likes to drag things out (Remember the school arc?) so it won't be before next year that we get to see who killed Agni, and what really happened to Ciel2 |
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Sonal1988 said: JadeCeci said: I need Another chapter then Another more Precisely. Yana likes to drag things out (Remember the school arc?) so it won't be before next year that we get to see who killed Agni, and what really happened to Ciel2 Probably... Last year i had taken a Break from Kuroshitsuji and hadnt read anything for 9 months. IT was really nice to read 9 episodes all Together 9 months later but now.... I dont want to wait even one Day Well i guess we'll need to and at least book of Atlantic movie dvd is finally released |
JadeCeci said: Probably... Last year i had taken a Break from Kuroshitsuji and hadnt read anything for 9 months. IT was really nice to read 9 episodes all Together 9 months later but now.... I dont want to wait even one Day Well i guess we'll need to and at least book of Atlantic movie dvd is finally released Not sure what the BoA movie has to do with the Twin Ciel mystery. |
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| I still dont Think anything good Will Come from this twin theory... I had never Wanted it I dont really Wanna see them to be against each other because they were So close in the Past. I dont want our ciel to lose Everything either Well i dont want sebastian to Eat ciels soul either :DDD |
Sonal1988 said: JadeCeci said: Probably... Last year i had taken a Break from Kuroshitsuji and hadnt read anything for 9 months. IT was really nice to read 9 episodes all Together 9 months later but now.... I dont want to wait even one Day Well i guess we'll need to and at least book of Atlantic movie dvd is finally released Not sure what the BoA movie has to do with the Twin Ciel mystery. Welp sorry it was just a reminder that we at least have something to watch while Waiting the new chapter |
JadeCeci said: Welp sorry it was just a reminder that we at least have something to watch while Waiting the new chapter Ahahaha. Yeah! And doesn't Ciel in a blond wig look SO much like Joanne Harcourt? OR even Yurio, for that matter. |
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| So, I still feel like all this long-lost twin stuff just came out of absolutely nowhere... Was this foreshadowed at all prior to the attack on Agni and Soma? Or is it just that I can't remember the foreshadowing now because of the monthly release putting it so long ago? If it was foreshadowed at all, when was that and has it been animated at this point? Foreshadowed or not though, I'm concerned about where this will take the story... I guess we'll have to wait and see. |
| "EVERYBODY, CLAP YOUR HANDS!" "PLUS ULTRA!" |
MistLiigh said: So, I still feel like all this long-lost twin stuff just came out of absolutely nowhere... Was this foreshadowed at all prior to the attack on Agni and Soma? Or is it just that I can't remember the foreshadowing now because of the monthly release putting it so long ago? If it was foreshadowed at all, when was that and has it been animated at this point? Foreshadowed or not though, I'm concerned about where this will take the story... I guess we'll have to wait and see. Really you need look no further than the countless forum posts, kuroshitsuji blogs and youtube videos that were speaking about the two ciel c2 theory for years, it really isn't coming out of nowhere but instead has been carefully built up since the beginning |
| A look back at the 2 ciel's, our ciel is sickly just like his mother. The home invasion next chapter, it might be the queen's men or lao since no ordinary thugs can just come and kill the phantomhives. |
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| Aaaaa, so short Ç-Ç I'm so curious and it is so nice to see things getting together. We even got a glimpse from that flashback in circus arc. Ho boi :D |
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Jacksnapp said: MistLiigh said: So, I still feel like all this long-lost twin stuff just came out of absolutely nowhere... Was this foreshadowed at all prior to the attack on Agni and Soma? Or is it just that I can't remember the foreshadowing now because of the monthly release putting it so long ago? If it was foreshadowed at all, when was that and has it been animated at this point? Foreshadowed or not though, I'm concerned about where this will take the story... I guess we'll have to wait and see. Really you need look no further than the countless forum posts, kuroshitsuji blogs and youtube videos that were speaking about the two ciel c2 theory for years, it really isn't coming out of nowhere but instead has been carefully built up since the beginning Thanks Jacksnapp for pointing that out. I only recently started looking at the forums at all, so I had no idea this theory existed. I found a forum topic now, and it was all the sort of details most people won't notice until they go back looking for them, and vague clues I just forgot about before I could even start connecting them together. And I misinterpreted the flashback to the sacrifice that summoned Sebastian as being more affected by mental trauma and thus metaphorical than what it turns out to have actually been (and then forgot about it too...), so I basically just missed it on all points. I admit I did not give Yana enough credit here, it was my bad. I may have to binge through the old chapters sometime to see the flow without a month to forget everything between each chapter, in the meantime I'll just have to focus on how this revelation affects the remainder of the story. |
| "EVERYBODY, CLAP YOUR HANDS!" "PLUS ULTRA!" |
MistLiigh said: Jacksnapp said: Really you need look no further than the countless forum posts, kuroshitsuji blogs and youtube videos that were speaking about the two ciel c2 theory for years, it really isn't coming out of nowhere but instead has been carefully built up since the beginning Thanks Jacksnapp for pointing that out. I only recently started looking at the forums at all, so I had no idea this theory existed. I found a forum topic now, and it was all the sort of details most people won't notice until they go back looking for them, and vague clues I just forgot about before I could even start connecting them together. And I misinterpreted the flashback to the sacrifice that summoned Sebastian as being more affected by mental trauma and thus metaphorical than what it turns out to have actually been (and then forgot about it too...), so I basically just missed it on all points. I admit I did not give Yana enough credit here, it was my bad. I may have to binge through the old chapters sometime to see the flow without a month to forget everything between each chapter, in the meantime I'll just have to focus on how this revelation affects the remainder of the story. I feel you there pal, I had read about 2Ciel Theory (2CT) ages ago and at the beginning I dismissed it as a intricate (way too deeply thought out) fan theory that while being super interesting, would most likely end up being completely wrong or at least irrelevant to the story anyway. But since I signed up on MAL and joined in on the discussions surrounding each new chapter, the 2CT was brought up again and I found myself surprisingly finding more and more clues hinting towards his twin. Therefore, the shock wasn't too big and it felt like anything but an ass-pull I can definitely understand why the lost twin would feel like it came out of nowhere to anyone who didn't know/remember 2CT. I suggest you read up on the hints before you binge through it again ;) Sites like http://theofficialdoublecieltheorist.blogspot.com https://ddreamzone.wordpress.com/2017/04/22/the-two-ciel-theory-masterpost-kuroshitsuji/ documented most of it. |
Jacksnapp said: MistLiigh said: Thanks Jacksnapp for pointing that out. I only recently started looking at the forums at all, so I had no idea this theory existed. I found a forum topic now, and it was all the sort of details most people won't notice until they go back looking for them, and vague clues I just forgot about before I could even start connecting them together. And I misinterpreted the flashback to the sacrifice that summoned Sebastian as being more affected by mental trauma and thus metaphorical than what it turns out to have actually been (and then forgot about it too...), so I basically just missed it on all points. I admit I did not give Yana enough credit here, it was my bad. I may have to binge through the old chapters sometime to see the flow without a month to forget everything between each chapter, in the meantime I'll just have to focus on how this revelation affects the remainder of the story. I feel you there pal, I had read about 2Ciel Theory (2CT) ages ago and at the beginning I dismissed it as a intricate (way too deeply thought out) fan theory that while being super interesting, would most likely end up being completely wrong or at least irrelevant to the story anyway. But since I signed up on MAL and joined in on the discussions surrounding each new chapter, the 2CT was brought up again and I found myself surprisingly finding more and more clues hinting towards his twin. Therefore, the shock wasn't too big and it felt like anything but an ass-pull I can definitely understand why the lost twin would feel like it came out of nowhere to anyone who didn't know/remember 2CT. I suggest you read up on the hints before you binge through it again ;) Sites like http://theofficialdoublecieltheorist.blogspot.com https://ddreamzone.wordpress.com/2017/04/22/the-two-ciel-theory-masterpost-kuroshitsuji/ documented most of it. Thanks for all the resources and understanding! |
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| It was an alright chapter. Had a look into both boy's backstory a bit. It was interesting to see that fake!Ciel didn't like Sebastian the dog and vice versa...strange... |
Jacksnapp said: But since I signed up on MAL and joined in on the discussions surrounding each new chapter, the 2CT was brought up again and I found myself surprisingly finding more and more clues hinting towards his twin. I can definitely understand why the lost twin would feel like it came out of nowhere to anyone who didn't know/remember 2CT. Sites like http://theofficialdoublecieltheorist.blogspot.com https://ddreamzone.wordpress.com/2017/04/22/the-two-ciel-theory-masterpost-kuroshitsuji/ documented most of it. Same. I dismissed the TCT instantly, but when I began reading the manga, I ould see how very smartly Yana had been littering hints throughout these years. For example, here's a panel that always puzzled me Some fans point as far back as The Book of Murder to show hints of TCT. My God. How long had she even been planning about this twin? |
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Sonal1988 said: Jacksnapp said: But since I signed up on MAL and joined in on the discussions surrounding each new chapter, the 2CT was brought up again and I found myself surprisingly finding more and more clues hinting towards his twin. I can definitely understand why the lost twin would feel like it came out of nowhere to anyone who didn't know/remember 2CT. Sites like http://theofficialdoublecieltheorist.blogspot.com https://ddreamzone.wordpress.com/2017/04/22/the-two-ciel-theory-masterpost-kuroshitsuji/ documented most of it. Same. I dismissed the TCT instantly, but when I began reading the manga, I ould see how very smartly Yana had been littering hints throughout these years. For example, here's a panel that always puzzled me Some fans point as far back as The Book of Murder to show hints of TCT. My God. How long had she even been planning about this twin? OP in this MAL thread points as far back as chapter 2. They bring up the conversation about the Phantomhive family ring, but this point is hard to tell if it's meant to be interpreted this way or if it has more to do with the translation leaving it open for people to read what they want to see between the lines. The other point given here is the way Sebastian puts quotes around "Ciel Phantomhive" and gives a knowing little chuckle, which I think is more likely to be an intentional clue, albeit pretty vague by itself. But it's common and good practice for writers to have an ending in mind before they even begin writing, so it's not unlikely that Yana's been planning this long-lost twin reveal for 11 years. |
| "EVERYBODY, CLAP YOUR HANDS!" "PLUS ULTRA!" |
MistLiigh said: OP in this MAL thread points as far back as chapter 2. They bring up the conversation about the Phantomhive family ring, but this point is hard to tell if it's meant to be interpreted this way or if it has more to do with the translation leaving it open for people to read what they want to see between the lines. The other point given here is the way Sebastian puts quotes around "Ciel Phantomhive" and gives a knowing little chuckle, which I think is more likely to be an intentional clue, albeit pretty vague by itself. But it's common and good practice for writers to have an ending in mind before they even begin writing, so it's not unlikely that Yana's been planning this long-lost twin reveal for 11 years. Real life Sherlocks...... |
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| So Sebastian was named after big bad dog? That makes sense actually :> Nice, slow backstory chapter, can't wait for the big event next month... Plus, I want to know what our Ciel's real name is already! |
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| I don't think I want to know our!Ciel's name lol. It's probably disappointing. This is a boring & cliché backstory, I doubt we'll see the invaders in the next chap for the sake of the story not ending too soon...I'm hoping for an Undertaker cameo as he's probably involved in the 2 ciel fiasco. |
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| good chapter, but I'm scared that Sebastian might start to serve the other Ciel ;; |
That should be impossible, because our Ciel made the contract with Sebastian. Technically, if anyone were to leave our Ciel's sides, I could only imagine it being the servants, but at the same time, I find that hard to comprehend, because as far as I know, they're very loyal to our Ciel. |
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| Anyone have any idea of when Chapter 132 comes out? TT^TT I'm really enjoying the series. |
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Rayla said: Anyone have any idea of when Chapter 132 comes out? TT^TT I'm really enjoying the series. Translation of every new chapter comes out around ~22nd of each month, so it should be out next week, give or take a few days. |
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