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Aug 20, 2017 2:22 PM

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Nocturn3 said:
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In theory its a great concept, and from a filosofical standpoint i think its interesting, but i dont think it ever had any chance of working out in real life.


In theory it's a great concept?
So you find a society where everyone receives the same amount of money regardless of how much they studied and how much they worked to have their job? That's just straight up support for laziness and incompetence.
Btw, under a communist government, the state controls practically everything. So if you want something your government disagrees with, you're f*****.

I find so funny how everyone supports communist and lefties proclaiming they want equality, yet they fail to see that if someone studied and worked more than you, they deserve more than you.

You're talking like under capitalism it's people who study and work a lot get paid well. While in practice it's the ideology that rich people get all the money.
Also, I still do not get what I want under capitalism too. For an anime example, look at all those people crying anime doesn't have what they want.

Nocturn3 said:

Btw, the one who fucked up the plan and lost an empire was Gorbachev. Putin is doing exactly what he need to hold power. He already annexed a part of Ukraine and more might come.

The guy who fucked it all up was Stalin. Do you know why? because after his rule, there was nobody left fit to rule, and the country was no longer capable of helping a less capable ruler run the country.
Aug 20, 2017 2:28 PM
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Jans6ever said:
Nocturn3 said:


In theory it's a great concept?
So you find a society where everyone receives the same amount of money regardless of how much they studied and how much they worked to have their job? That's just straight up support for laziness and incompetence.
Btw, under a communist government, the state controls practically everything. So if you want something your government disagrees with, you're f*****.

I find so funny how everyone supports communist and lefties proclaiming they want equality, yet they fail to see that if someone studied and worked more than you, they deserve more than you.

Btw, the one who fucked up the plan and lost an empire was Gorbachev. Putin is doing exactly what he need to hold power. He already annexed a part of Ukraine and more might come.


100% agree. I meant great concept as it is an utopic society where everyone is equal and none suffers and everyone has the same oportunities. Boring if you ask me but yeah, i would choose that before living in Somalia everytime. Also, an ideal communist sistem supports hardworking people getting recompensated and all. However i find it obvious that it contradicts human nature and that its an idea that can not be made in real life. Thats the reason all communist sistems have had totalitarian goverments and didnt really work out in the end. Not that any of them ever tried to follow ideal socialism anyway.
About Putin, i also think that he is giving himself too much power but he is also acting in the best interest of Russia.


Hoo oki, glad we are on the same page ^^ And yeap, there may be a time, if the conditions meet obviously, when the Soviet Union exist's again.
Aug 20, 2017 2:31 PM

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If you don't want to watch unrealistic stories then don't watch it???
So I guess we're not sorry for liking the things you don't?

Cyborg_Icarus29 said:
hollyshit i lost brain cells reading this post/topic. i really hope you're shitposting.
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Aug 20, 2017 2:32 PM
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flannan said:
Nocturn3 said:


In theory it's a great concept?
So you find a society where everyone receives the same amount of money regardless of how much they studied and how much they worked to have their job? That's just straight up support for laziness and incompetence.
Btw, under a communist government, the state controls practically everything. So if you want something your government disagrees with, you're f*****.

I find so funny how everyone supports communist and lefties proclaiming they want equality, yet they fail to see that if someone studied and worked more than you, they deserve more than you.

You're talking like under capitalism it's people who study and work a lot get paid well. While in practice it's the ideology that rich people get all the money.
Also, I still do not get what I want under capitalism too. For an anime example, look at all those people crying anime doesn't have what they want.

Nocturn3 said:

Btw, the one who fucked up the plan and lost an empire was Gorbachev. Putin is doing exactly what he need to hold power. He already annexed a part of Ukraine and more might come.

The guy who fucked it all up was Stalin. Do you know why? because after his rule, there was nobody left fit to rule, and the country was no longer capable of helping a less capable ruler run the country.


Even though the rich will always get richer on a Capitalist society, someone who is a great student as chooses the right area will have success and a good life. Obviously no matter how much you study, if you studied gender studies or some BS like that you won't have as good of a salary as a normal lawyer etc..

And knowing what you want is a total different story. I sometimes also ask myself if what I think I want is what I really want. But I know studying hard is the way to go.
Aug 20, 2017 9:55 PM

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Well, I feel that we've gone too far off-topic. I just wanted to note that Communism isn't such an obviously bad idea. And neither is this topic.
Aug 20, 2017 10:20 PM

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The original post in this thread echoes a conversation I had with my father when I was a youngster and had just finished Stephen R. Donaldson's The Power that Preserves. The answer is the same then and now, I suppose. As creatures of limited existence, the concepts of death, risk of death, and sacrifice of life are among the few dramatic mechanisms we know how to use.

This has parallels to conversations I have had on roleplaying in multiplayer games; how do you tell a compelling story in an environment where "death" has no consequence and the risk of death has no weight?
Aug 21, 2017 12:45 AM

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Rhanis said:
The original post in this thread echoes a conversation I had with my father when I was a youngster and had just finished Stephen R. Donaldson's The Power that Preserves. The answer is the same then and now, I suppose. As creatures of limited existence, the concepts of death, risk of death, and sacrifice of life are among the few dramatic mechanisms we know how to use.

Numerous slice-of-life and romance stories tell us that we can make compelling stories even when death in not on the table.

Rhanis said:
This has parallels to conversations I have had on roleplaying in multiplayer games; how do you tell a compelling story in an environment where "death" has no consequence and the risk of death has no weight?

Besides romance, I'd take a look at Eclipse Phase. It's a setting where death is not a problem, but there are things worse than death to fight off, and there are things worth fighting for.
Aug 21, 2017 2:21 AM
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Vini310 said:
And no, if you want to see everyone dying because "hurr durr tension", you failed as a critic, becuase you have a very limited vision and want everything to be realistic since you watch anime simply to see a 2.0 version of life!
And I support resurrecion BECAUSE I DON'T WANT EVERYTHING TO BE REALISTIC! WHAT'S THE POINT OF WATCHING FICTION IF YOU IS SERACHINMG FOR RELAISM?

You know what? For now on, I will pray for a World War III to happen, so we all can die, and that woulb be amazing, isn't?


I would say your contradicting yourself, but you already knew that right? Your argument seems to be "I do not accept realism and deaths thus everyone should also" On what basis must I follow your opinion? People are free to think and believe what they want just like the fair-tale of Jesus which you believe in.

Praying is begging for people too lazy to think.
Aug 21, 2017 2:24 AM

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so you dislike death in a fictional setting but wish for war and death in the actual world........ok
Aug 21, 2017 2:57 AM
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anime is only good when people die and/or they are killed every episode
Aug 21, 2017 3:04 AM

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Nico- said:
@Comic_Sans

anime is only good when people die and/or they are killed every episode
Exactly, every anime should be like Tokyo Ghoul /s
Nico- said:
@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite
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Aug 21, 2017 4:18 AM

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UknwWhu said:
Vini310 said:
And no, if you want to see everyone dying because "hurr durr tension", you failed as a critic, becuase you have a very limited vision and want everything to be realistic since you watch anime simply to see a 2.0 version of life!
And I support resurrecion BECAUSE I DON'T WANT EVERYTHING TO BE REALISTIC! WHAT'S THE POINT OF WATCHING FICTION IF YOU IS SERACHINMG FOR RELAISM?

You know what? For now on, I will pray for a World War III to happen, so we all can die, and that woulb be amazing, isn't?


I would say your contradicting yourself, but you already knew that right? Your argument seems to be "I do not accept realism and deaths thus everyone should also" On what basis must I follow your opinion? People are free to think and believe what they want just like the fair-tale of Jesus which you believe in.

Now, if only people recognized my right to think and believe what I want, instead of trying to shove their edgy opinions down my throat, we could have an agreement.
But you'll never find a review that says "Centaur's Worries is for nice, peaceful people. Avoid it if you're looking for bloodshed". It's always "Centaur's worries is unrealistic shit! 6 episodes already, and nobody fucking died!".
Aug 21, 2017 4:29 AM

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This is the same as me making a thread talking about why I don't like sardines. Other people like sardines so much like this one I wouldn't even see the point of such a thread.I will now call you out on having shit taste because everything that happens in fiction is based in some way on an idealized or distorted version of our reality.
Aug 21, 2017 4:48 AM

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I'm not really sure where you're getting this - 'People want every single story to be realistic' or 'Death makes an anime more realistic' from. As from what I have seen, anime in general tends to be very unrealistic for the most part just based on the themes and genres associated with it let alone the actual story.

'YOU' watch anime for escapism, but someone else might not. They might want to enjoy a relatable story or they might watch it for some other reason. Anime as an entertainment medium already caters to your preference, so I don't really know why you're complaining. That would be like a person who likes Moe saying - 'Can the anime industry please stop with the excessive non-Moe anime'.

Vini310 said:

And no, if you want to see everyone dying because "hurr durr tension", you failed as a critic, becuase you have a very limited vision and want everything to be realistic since you watch anime simply to see a 2.0 version of life!

I feel like you have a very limited vision of what entertainment should be as you want it to cater to only your specific preferences, and bully anyone who would disagree with you and call them a failure.
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Aug 21, 2017 4:53 AM

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bikers123 said:
I'm not really sure where you're getting this - 'People want every single story to be realistic' or 'Death makes an anime more realistic' from. As from what I have seen, anime in general tends to be very unrealistic for the most part just based on the themes and genres associated with it let alone the actual story.

'YOU' watch anime for escapism, but someone else might not. They might want to enjoy a relatable story or they might watch it for some other reason. Anime as an entertainment medium already caters to your preference, so I don't really know why you're complaining. That would be like a person who likes Moe saying - 'Can the anime industry please stop with the excessive non-Moe anime'.

Well, I've seen a lot of people who like edgy grimdark anime say "can the anime industry please stop with the excessive Moe anime". And I perceive this thread in the context of numerous attacks like that.
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flannan said:

Well, I've seen a lot of people who like edgy grimdark anime say "can the anime industry please stop with the excessive Moe anime". And I perceive this thread in the context of numerous attacks like that.


The issue here with OP's statement and your comparison of it to edgelords not wanting Moe anime is that there's a big difference between wanting non-Moe anime and wanting realistic anime.

I won't say that the people who want the industry to stop producing Moe anime are right, but I can understand their position as Moe is well received by the general anime loving populous and gets a ton of support from production companies as well due to that. So, whether the edgelords are right or wrong with their opinion is irrelevant as the base of their opinion stems from reality whereas I can't say the same for OP's statement.

Whether OP is trolling or is trying to prove a point by making an absurd claim is not something I'm considering in this discussion.
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Aug 21, 2017 8:06 AM
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If you hate deaths in anime then you should avoid watching anime which contain deaths
Aug 21, 2017 11:23 AM

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lazypigz said:
If you don't want to watch unrealistic stories then don't watch it???
So I guess we're not sorry for liking the things you don't?

Cyborg_Icarus29 said:
hollyshit i lost brain cells reading this post/topic. i really hope you're shitposting.
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lazypigz said:
If you don't want to watch unrealistic stories then don't watch it???
So I guess we're not sorry for liking the things you don't?

Cyborg_Icarus29 said:
hollyshit i lost brain cells reading this post/topic. i really hope you're shitposting.
You're not alone


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