EcchiKingMamster said: DirtyYogurt said: Just spitballing here, but it's probably the part where nobody has been murdered for liking ecchi. Seriously, did you actually need this explained to you? whether or not someone has been killed for liking something has nothing to do with the analogy LOL all im saying is that much of the time bashing something is a disguise for shame @Maneki-Mew at this point i guess ill just direct you to my conversation with Pullman, cause im going to work and don't have time to respond to eveything. im just gonna say again that you're watching anime and anime with fanservice targeted at males and women generally are just turned on by different things, so i just don't see the point in pointing out that that something that wasn't made with you in mind in the first place bothers you im sorry.. but i just cant' believe all these" "it ruins the mood/plot" people aren't just parrorting or going for the easy answer.. especially when you know not everyone means the exact same thing when they say it its seems more like an "im expecting others to understand me" answer What is 'bashing' something, and how is it different from criticizing? |
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Maneki-Mew said: If someone thinks that the excessive Ecchi-parts ruining the anime, you have to accept this as an opinion. The question was: Why do some people don't like Ecchi? And you have to accept that people answer to this question. It's the way I see Ecchi; as a distracting, because cringy, because so immature it hurts approach to sexuality. I didn't say that you aren't allowed to like it, but that doesn't change my impression of it and that I want to see as less as possible of it in an anime. I mean, I'm going to be honest, there's no way in hell I'm going to be accepting of your opinion. You're free to dislike ecchi as much as you please, I've got absolutely no issue accepting that much, but given that you're not just stating issues with it or talking about how you dislike it but just calling it immature and cringy with your meatiest explanations just being quoting somebody else and saying "also this," as well as actively pushing for it to be ripped out of anime as much as possible just because of your own personal distaste for it, you come across as incredibly selfish and inconsiderate of any tastes or viewpoints different than your own and it leaves a really sour impression, quite frankly. Now, believe it or not, I'm not accosting you for feeling that way or disliking ecchi - but I'm not accepting your extremity here and I'm not going to hold your views in anything even remotely resembling respect or acceptance like you seem to think you're entitled to. I don't think anybody else is obligated to hold your views on ecchi in respect regardless of what they are, either, but I'm definitely not going to myself when they amount to falling back on other people's arguments and then basically saying "I want ecchi to go away and you just have to accept that." There's people who dislike ecchi and I get along with just fine. Because unlike you, they and I have reached some sort of common ground or understanding. You don't seem like you want to understand where anybody else is coming from, though, you just want to keep quoting Pullman and using his arguments as your own, and then demanding that other people accept your desire to eradicate something we really enjoy from the medium just because you don't like it. Well, telling me that I have to accept your stance because you possess it doesn't convince me of anything, sadly, so I don't accept it because I view it coming into play as actively detrimental to my own enjoyment of anime. I'll be selfish and inconsiderate, too, and you've just got to accept the fact that I don't accept your opinion :V I'm also not going to argue specifics with you in this post because you don't seem like you're interested in hearing anybody else out when your argument is "You're not changing my impression of it and you have to accept my stance on it." I'm only saying all of this in the off-chance you reach some sort of understanding why your views aren't being tolerated by others here, because unlike other people who don't like ecchi you don't give off the impression that you're interested in at least understanding us at all, you're just interested in demanding we accept your extremist stance on ecchi as if we're obligated to do so. |
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| Seriously fan-service can really be annoying when you have a great plot some studios don't know how to use them in the right timing to boost their rates, anyway some series that are based fan-service are pretty weak and they have much impact expect the die hard ecchi fan, tbh Highschool DxD really knows how to do this kind of a business. |
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DirtyYogurt said: So... the real world implications of an ideology are... unimportant? Sorry, can't follow that. I've never been so desperate to be a victim that I'd compare me being judged by internet strangers to people who have been actually murdered. i didn't compare that.. you did, and its not relevant to what im saying, you can still react to two things you find embarrassing in a similar fashion even if one ultimately isn't as bad as the other @Maneki-Mew as i said to @DirtyYogurt even if the consequences aren't as severe in one as the other, that doesn't mean you can't react to both similarly ok well good for you then.. im just gonna leave it at the fact you're watching anime and or fanservice scenes targeted towards horny men, therefore it not doing anything for you doesn't mean much uh.. bashing imo = "i don't see the point of this" "this is only for these losers" "it wastes time" that kinda shit, i don't see that as criticizing i just see it as whining |
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EcchiKingMamster said: DirtyYogurt said: So... the real world implications of an ideology are... unimportant? Sorry, can't follow that. I've never been so desperate to be a victim that I'd compare me being judged by internet strangers to people who have been actually murdered. i didn't compare that.. you did, and its not relevant to what im saying, you can still react to two things you find embarrassing in a similar fashion even if one ultimately isn't as bad as the other So there's no appreciable difference between a nuke and a firecracker because they're both explosions? And by extension, comparing yourself to the people who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki is totally logical because someone set off a firecracker on your doorstep? And you did compare it, you're just choosing to ignore an aspect of the comparison that makes you look like an idiot. |
Pullman said: For me being sexy is one thing, but if the camera constantly degrades the character to an object of lust with a lot of male gaze and barely any normal, respectful angles that emphasize other aspects of them, it kinda objectifies the character and I have a harder time taking them seriously as well. Being sexy is fine, I like sexy women like Faye Valentine or Fujiko or whoever else. But when the camera treats a character like a sex object instead of a regular person most of the time it just feels weird unless that is literally their main purpose in the show. It is just jarring when different characters in the same show get all the normal angles, and some get all the fanservice ones. How much time they spend this stuff kinda defines what the main purpose of a character is to me so it is hard to believe a character was included because of their personality, strength and role they have to play in the story, when 90% of the time they are on screen they are treated like fap material by the creators. Is that really so weird? AnimaExZero said: If the anime series is not intended to be specifically ecchi (erotic) or, if it's the case, hentai (porn), its almost a clear sign that it has a weak/dull/uninteresting/bad developed storyline and/or characters, trying to fill the gaps or try to get more fans only by showing lewd shots/scenes of good looking girls and (why not? It's equally bothersome...) boys. When any series DO it have a good or interesting plot and/or characters, erotic fanservice is NOT some kind of reward, something necessary to keep the it interesting or anything like that. Fanservice is only an obstacle, somekind of distraction, or something that reduces the interest or the impact of a good/entertaining/potential plot or characters and, in the best case, the attention is drawn to the girls/boys' bodies. Few jokes with this kind of themes do work. But their overuse eventually become tiresome and it can make their viewers to lose all the interest in it, leaving only the people who really enjoy this kind of elements. In the worst case, only a small group of people will enjoy it, and any potential that it may offer will be casted aside, turning the plot forgettable and it only justify the lewd material on screen. This is the problem. A+B. Thank you @Pullman and @AnimaExZero, for being the A and the B, respectively and quite objectively. |
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EcchiKingMamster said: DirtyYogurt said: So... the real world implications of an ideology are... unimportant? Sorry, can't follow that. I've never been so desperate to be a victim that I'd compare me being judged by internet strangers to people who have been actually murdered. i didn't compare that.. you did, and its not relevant to what im saying, you can still react to two things you find embarrassing in a similar fashion even if one ultimately isn't as bad as the other @Maneki-Mew as i said to @DirtyYogurt even if the consequences aren't as severe in one as the other, that doesn't mean you can't react to both similarly ok well good for you then.. im just gonna leave it at the fact you're watching anime and or fanservice scenes targeted towards horny men, therefore it not doing anything for you doesn't mean much uh.. bashing imo = "i don't see the point of this" "this is only for these losers" "it wastes time" that kinda shit, i don't see that as criticizing i just see it as whining I agree calling the crowd NegativeSomething and therefore their beloved X is bad, is a fallacy. Yet I don't see what's wrong with the others. People have opinions. Let's discuss them. |
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EcchiKingMamster said: @DirtyYogurt The point still stands that reactions to embarrassment can still be similar Reactions to embarrassment can be similar, but not when one comes with "is this going to get me killed?" and the other doesn't. |
DirtyYogurt said: EcchiKingMamster said: @DirtyYogurt The point still stands that reactions to embarrassment can still be similar Reactions to embarrassment can be similar, but not when one comes with "is this going to get me killed?" and the other doesn't. ok.. just NO.. its not like EVERY gay person is threatened killed, wtf? thats only in certain countries, and those countries probably aren't too big on anime just because theres no threat against a gay person, doesn't mean that person can't be embarrassed for being gay? why are you jumping to the most extreme situation? |
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EcchiKingMamster said: ok.. just NO.. its not like EVERY gay person is threatened killed, wtf? thats only in certain countries, and those countries probably aren't too big on anime just because theres no threat against a gay person, doesn't mean that person can't be embarrassed for being gay? why are you jumping to the most extreme situation? I quite literally said the embarrassment that comes with public outing comes with the fear of being being killed. Are we pretending the US isn't a huge market for anime? You must also realize that list is not all inclusive. Being targeted with violence for the sexual/gender orientation is a very real thing for LGBT people. This is not a thing that can be called into question. |
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DirtyYogurt said: EcchiKingMamster said: ok.. just NO.. its not like EVERY gay person is threatened killed, wtf? thats only in certain countries, and those countries probably aren't too big on anime just because theres no threat against a gay person, doesn't mean that person can't be embarrassed for being gay? why are you jumping to the most extreme situation? I quite literally said the embarrassment that comes with public outing comes with the fear of being being killed, physical harm at least. Are we pretending the US isn't a huge market for anime? You must also realize that list is not all inclusive. Being targeted with violence for the sexual/gender orientation is a very real thing for LGBT people. This is not a thing that can be called into question. so your argument is that EVERY gay person is just thinking "someone might attack me?" just liking dick as a male and knowing people might laugh at them couldnt be a cause? |
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EcchiKingMamster said: DirtyYogurt said: I quite literally said the embarrassment that comes with public outing comes with the fear of being being killed, physical harm at least. Are we pretending the US isn't a huge market for anime? You must also realize that list is not all inclusive. Being targeted with violence for the sexual/gender orientation is a very real thing for LGBT people. This is not a thing that can be called into question. so your argument is that EVERY gay person is just thinking "someone might attack me?" just liking dick as a male and knowing people might laugh at them couldnt be a cause? So you really have no idea what I'm saying. The two thoughts are not exclusive. People can be ashamed of being publicly outed AND ALSO AT THE VERY SAME TIME IN A SEPARATE BUT CONNECTED THOUGHT also be afraid of the potential physical violence that comes with the public being aware. |
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Chikipichi said: @DirtyYogurt you mean like in Oreimo when the girl was scared to tell people she liked erotic gamees??? Are... are we really bringing in fictional people in fictional situations into a discussion about real people actually being beaten and killed? |
DirtyYogurt said: EcchiKingMamster said: so your argument is that EVERY gay person is just thinking "someone might attack me?" just liking dick as a male and knowing people might laugh at them couldnt be a cause? So you really have no idea what I'm saying. The two thoughts are not exclusive. People can be ashamed of being publicly outed AND ALSO AT THE VERY SAME TIME IN A SEPARATE BUT CONNECTED THOUGHT also be afraid of the potential physical violence that comes with the public being aware. ok.. AND?? im talking about the feeling of embarrassment... both an ecchi fan AND a homosexual can lie out of the feeling of shame. your brains reaction cause you to feel the need to hide it its that simple.. why are you going beyond that? |
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EcchiKingMamster said: DirtyYogurt said: So you really have no idea what I'm saying. The two thoughts are not exclusive. People can be ashamed of being publicly outed AND ALSO AT THE VERY SAME TIME IN A SEPARATE BUT CONNECTED THOUGHT also be afraid of the potential physical violence that comes with the public being aware. ok.. AND?? im talking about the feeling of embarrassment... both an ecchi fan AND a homosexual can lie out of the feeling of shame. your brains reaction cause you to feel the need to hide it its that simple.. why are you going beyond that? Because things don't begin and end where/when it's convenient for you, and you shutting your ears and eyes to it doesn't make it go away. |
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DirtyYogurt said: EcchiKingMamster said: ok.. AND?? im talking about the feeling of embarrassment... both an ecchi fan AND a homosexual can lie out of the feeling of shame. your brains reaction cause you to feel the need to hide it its that simple.. why are you going beyond that? Because things don't begin and end where/when it's convenient for you, and you shutting your ears and eyes to it doesn't make it go away. what? do you not agree that people lie out of embarrassment? |
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EcchiKingMamster said: DirtyYogurt said: Because things don't begin and end where/when it's convenient for you, and you shutting your ears and eyes to it doesn't make it go away. what? do you not agree that people lie out of embarrassment? I'd say that, when applicable, fear for personal safety is the larger motivator and not one to be ignored or brushed aside. |
DirtyYogurt said: I'd say that, when applicable, fear for personal safety is the larger motivator and not one to be ignored or brushed aside. omfg.. its not like EVERY gay person who is ashamed by it is afraid of being attacked CrescentCode said: If you really want to watch lewd, why not go all the way with hentai instead of watching an ecchi with little to no story? If you really want to read good plot, why not go all the way with a book instead of watching an anime hoping for story? FTFY because little to no story doesn't mean less entertaining |
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AyameTomoko said: I for one love fanservice. I find that it helps me stay on focus with the show's story when I get bored after a while of nothing interesting happening. Which is why I love ecchi comedy. I'm always highly interested in what's going on since the story is often intertwined with sexual themes and comedy. a man who has truly seen the light gentlemen beautiful  SnO SnO SnO |
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EcchiKingMamster said: If you really want to read good plot, why not go all the way with a book instead of watching an anime hoping for story? FTFY because little to no story doesn't mean less entertaining That is actually a good point. However, in my preference, I hate reading myself; which is probably why i have a harder time studying than others. I'd even watch post review videos to learn more about a series than actually reading it myself. GoT for example. Watched many theories and speculations but never read a single word from A Song of Ice and Fire. I do agree that no story doesn't mean less entertaining. I have enjoyed a lot of "trash" despite not having a good story. As much as I can enjoy fanservice, pure ecchi and entertaining doesn't align with me because it's "half-way" and sometimes wastes the potential of some anime. Moderation is key for me. Perhaps some people hate hentai as I hate reading so they'd compromise by watching ecchi, I don't know. I'd say again, everyone has their preferences and opinion, this is just mine. Go out there and enjoy as much ecchi as you want my friend. ;) |
CrescentCode said: EcchiKingMamster said: If you really want to read good plot, why not go all the way with a book instead of watching an anime hoping for story? FTFY because little to no story doesn't mean less entertaining That is actually a good point. However, in my preference, I hate reading myself; which is probably why i have a harder time studying than others. I'd even watch post review videos to learn more about a series than actually reading it myself. GoT for example. Watched many theories and speculations but never read a single word from A Song of Ice and Fire. I do agree that no story doesn't mean less entertaining. I have enjoyed a lot of "trash" despite not having a good story. As much as I can enjoy fanservice, pure ecchi and entertaining doesn't align with me because it's "half-way" and sometimes wastes the potential of some anime. Moderation is key for me. Perhaps some people hate hentai as I hate reading so they'd compromise by watching ecchi, I don't know. I'd say again, everyone has their preferences and opinion, this is just mine. Go out there and enjoy as much ecchi as you want my friend. ;) lol i need more responses like this XD yea im one of those people who doesn't even like hentai, i'd rather just see boobs in anime, idc when or why theyre in there, just give me boobs, ass, pantsu... i also hate reading too aite man, well you do you i guess XD |
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| I dislike seeing fanservice because I feel uncomfortable watching them, and I also consider it as very mild hentai. If there is a bit of fanservice in the anime I'm watching, especially visual ones, I try to hold down the right button until it's over, but if it happens too much or there are important scenes to the plot in those ecchi sections, I'll end up dropping it. I don't watch ecchi, but I believe there could be such a thing as appropriate fanservice, rather than the comedic type. Even then, I would still dislike it. |
singletonkingAug 24, 2017 10:58 PM
| Ive watched enough anime to the point where if it doesnt have it, no big deal and if it does, well ok. As long as the characters are attractive ill enjoy, fanservice isnt a necessity. There are two exceptions. One is where they take the fanservice too far, as in its just too damn ridiculous. Example? Highschool of the Dead. Good god. The other is where they put the trouble of putting fanservice in, but then totally over censor it. Example? Shinmai Maou no Testament. Thats an actual decent series, uncensored that is. If its censored, the parts where fanservice comes into play cant be taken seriously because of the over the top censors (Plot points involve lewd action). |
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singletonking said: I dislike seeing fanservice because I feel uncomfortable watching them, and I also consider it as very mild hentai. If there is a bit of fanservice in the anime I'm watching, especially visual ones, I try to hold down the right button until it's over, but if it happens too much or there are important scenes to the plot in those ecchi sections, I'll end up dropping it. I don't watch ecchi, but I believe there could be such a thing as appropriate fanservice, rather than the comedic type. Even then, I would still dislike it. The problem is, sexiness doesn't go well with narratives. Sexiness is something you jerk off to, not while comprehending story and character psychology. It has its place and I think we should appreciate more the art of designing sexy characters. Freezing is one of a kind in this aspect, but it's best experienced in posters and artbooks. |
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| @Maneki-Mew I could pretty much form the same argument against: "If you want boobs, just watch porn or hentai" which was the entire point of what i said.. don't tell me that I can just get boobs somewhere else when you can get story somewhere else @TheBrainintheJar That's just like uh... your opinion man... |
EcchiGodMamsterAug 25, 2017 9:02 AM
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TheBrainintheJar said: This is just untrue. Sexuality and sexual deviance are frequent topics in all kinds of work and often serve as a means to an end in discussing various segments of social structures and behavior. That erotica cannot be elevated to something meaningful is something myopic prudes are prone to saying.The problem is, sexiness doesn't go well with narratives. Sexiness is something you jerk off to, not while comprehending story and character psychology. It has its place and I think we should appreciate more the art of designing sexy characters. Freezing is one of a kind in this aspect, but it's best experienced in posters and artbooks. See: The_Savage_Detectives said: For anime:NOVEMBER 8 I've discovered an amazing poem. They never said anything about its author, Efrén Rebolledo (1877–1929), in any of our literature classes. I'll copy it here: Unknown The Vampire Whirling your deep and gloomy tresses pour over your candid body like a torrent, and on the shadowy and curling flood I strew the fiery roses of my kisses. As I unlock the tight rings I feel the light chill chafing of your hand, and a great shudder courses over me and penetrates me to the very bone. Your chaotic and disdainful eyes glitter like stars when they hear the sigh that from my vitals issues rendingly, and you, thirsting, as I agonize, assume the form of an implacable black vampire battening on my burning blood. The first time I read it (a few hours ago), I couldn't help locking myself in my room and masturbating as I recited it once, twice, three times, as many as ten or fifteen times, imagining Rosario, the waitress, on all fours above me, asking me to write a poem for her long-lost beloved relative or begging me to pound her on the bed with my throbbing cock. Now that I've gotten that over with, I've had some time to think about the poem. There can be no doubt, I think, about the meaning of "deep and gloomy tresses." The same isn't true of the first line of the second stanza: "As I unlock the tight rings," which could refer to the "deep and gloomy tresses" and to drawing them out or untangling them one by one, but the verb unlock might conceal a different meaning. "The tight rings" isn't very clear either. Does it mean curls of pubic hair, the vampire's curly tresses, or the human orifices—plural? I.e., is he sodomizing her? I think I'm still haunted by my reading of Pierre Louys. Ikuhara's works are often mired in sexuality and, more recently, sex in a much more engrossing and visceral way (Yuri Kuma Arashi). Sexual deviance/awakening/thirst is a core part of the midsection of Tatami Galaxy. Kuuchuu Buranko, or Trapeze, very deliberately has an extremely attractive and sexualized nurse to pair it with its Freudian psychological angle. Sex and the attractiveness of females is a motif in Neon Genesis Evangelion. Eroticism and sexuality, both hetereo and homosexuality, are important in Texhnolyze as a means of delineating between human/machine. Anyone who says that FLCL isn't supposed to be "sexy" is probably out of their mind. Where do you get this impression that "sexiness" doesn't go well with "narratives?" Art attempts to explain human behavior, consciousness, and our condition in unique ways that other things cannot. To argue that it is incapable of addressing a core tenant of the human experience in a meaningful way is ridiculously off base. |
TheBrainintheJar said: urpoutta said: Voin minä kyllä suomeksikin kirjoittaa, iha vaa koska vitut mitäs mie mittöö engelsmannien kielt puhuisin Try to argue with me then why sexual fanservice would not fit in there. That's really just all I'm asking here, why they would not suit one series and ruin it (not necessarily HOTD). And I mean in case of writing and directing. Still all I can think off is when it would be actually in bad taste like showing some character doing suicide but in sexy way, and writers trying to say they want to bring awareness to mental illnesses or some horse shit. But why HOTD would have boobs and ass shots you ask? Because horror genre is not all new to sexual tone and yes even so called sexual fanservice. Different reasons why one would have it there but some have it to be as eye candy. Anyway it gives it more personality beyond Something-Zombies-Something-Dead and it's originally a comic, they have more artistic freedom there to twist human body anyway they want making action scenes more extravagant and comical. The show isn't trying to be serious, it's action including zombies and some humor. Maybe one could even say it's a zombie story told in "anime way" like using tropes we are all familiar with. Why not? Some good and funny ideas come up while just throwing some stuff in the air. Rick and Morty isn't a serious and producers do what ever fuck they just want with it. Pretty good show if you ask me. Also never forget Ghost Stories eng dub. I say go for it no matter what weird ass idea it is, if you like it. Bruh this makes me seem like a huge fan of HOTD when I'm not. I give it thumbs up, if it was in anyway inspiration to Tokyo Gore genre. That's some good stuff there. All I'm just interested to hear is where one's idea "fanservice automatically makes a serie's writing bad" comes from. I need to clarify. The objection is not to nudity in and of itself, but sexualized nudity. The Saw films also have some their nudity, but it's never sexual. The series never got its R-rating for sexual content. I actually don't see why a horror story needs sexiness. After all, by its nature it needs to take us outside ourselves, show us something inhuman and disgusting. Sexuality is, well, sexy - the opposite of horrifying. I was more of thinking horror movies that are aimed towards teenagers *cough*slashers*cough* and B-class movies. Then there are those movies that linger on scenes with women getting killed (Snuff 1976), tortured (Guinea Pig; The Devil's experiment 1985) etc. Some even are more like extreme porn. Imo sexuality can also be used to make something shocking and disgusting, or comical. It's natural and normal thing to us, including it with something we would find scary or disgusting would just fuel the shocking factor more. There's also the fact horror movies were more free to add sexual themes, because they have never been favored by academy and critics, and higher rating didn't usually harm them. Including things that were rare or even forbidden in other media was a good way to get more audience and talk about it thanks to controversial content. Nekromantik 1987 is about human sexuality but it's not sexy. Tetsuo the Iron man 1989 has sex scenes but I wouldn't call it sexy. Tokyo Gore Police 2008 also uses sexual themes, but again, I don't think it's sexy. Edit// There's also Elvira's Movie Macabre series with hostess Elvira who is sexual character. It's more comical than those others titles I named. |
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| https://myanimelist.net/anime/3220/Kanashimi_no_Belladonna But of course, no, erotica cannot aspire to be art. How foolish. |
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Yudina said: https://myanimelist.net/anime/3220/Kanashimi_no_Belladonna But of course, no, erotica cannot aspire to be art. How foolish. Funny, I watched it a week ago and it went straight to my favs <: I was too busy drooling over the visuals to pay much atention to the rest tho, I'll need to rewatch it soon |
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Atomicipher said: It can get in the way of the rest of the show. The fan service of Code Geass was bad because it interrupted all the cool moments and strategic planning. In something like food wars, however, the fan service is a focal point of the show. The context and the kind of show it is can change how I view fanservice the fanservice was part of the cool moments VampiricScollion said: Obvious question is obvious... Short answer: Because it makes the show worse for viewers to watch. Long answer: Because the use of ecchi and fan service degrades the quality to such an extent that it becomes salacious and its main intent is for the developers to gain profit from it, in hopes of creating merchandise for specific assets of the show. Therefore, this causes a great distance between the watcher and the creator and the lines of the shows purpose and the watchers sapience (aka good taste) are blurred with the shows intent and profit and the reason for why the user is watching said show. or maybe the creators are just perverts who like to throw boobs and ass into their anime.. ever consider that? i mean.. some of them even say that in interviews |
EcchiGodMamsterAug 26, 2017 9:38 PM
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EcchiKingMamster said: @Maneki-Mew I could pretty much form the same argument against: "If you want boobs, just watch porn or hentai" which was the entire point of what i said.. don't tell me that I can just get boobs somewhere else when you can get story somewhere else @TheBrainintheJar That's just like uh... your opinion man... So? Why should I change it if you don't say anything else, or why should I express it unless I expect it to be challenged? Maneki-Mew said: EcchiKingMamster said: If you really want to read good plot, why not go all the way with a book instead of watching an anime hoping for story? Who told you that people here don't read ... or who told you that books must have a good plot? I mean, how could you even know, if you say that you hate reading? That's not a good point anyway and a very easy "oh just shut up"-argument again. XD I watched enough anime with a good plot (to me) or a plot and characters, which were interesting and likeable to me. And I don't only refer to the "evil! elitist ones". I accepted that the type of characterization and storytelling is in many cases a little bit different than in Western books and movies, but different =/= worse, because I like many anime-typical things on the whole. BUT it's hard to believe that fanservice is a big part of the typical storytelling, when many good and mainstream / well-known/loved and popular anime don't have (too much) fanservice. Even if, someone doesn't have to like everything. It's ridiculous anyway to say: Want to have a plot instead of only pantyshots, read a book. x.x If people say that fanservice is distracting to them, you have to believe them ... or not. Their opinion doesn't change, because you won't believe it or simple don't like it. ^^" This is a good post. Character development and stories will work differently in anime than literature. Of course, this is a visual medium. Yet I've seen plenty of anime with great stories and characters. Nothing about it prevents them from making good stories. |
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| @TheBrainintheJar Some ppl act as though the only thing that matters is advancing the story and plot and nothing else, just like some of them accuse us of only caring about being turned on. Well I like the integration of boobs and ass into anime and imo it tells us more about who many of us are better so than porn where that kind of stuff is expected and therefore isn't surprising Doing something because you can is more interesting than doing it because you think it makes sense, so is just not giving a fuck |
EcchiGodMamsterAug 27, 2017 10:53 AM
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urpoutta said: TheBrainintheJar said: I need to clarify. The objection is not to nudity in and of itself, but sexualized nudity. The Saw films also have some their nudity, but it's never sexual. The series never got its R-rating for sexual content. I actually don't see why a horror story needs sexiness. After all, by its nature it needs to take us outside ourselves, show us something inhuman and disgusting. Sexuality is, well, sexy - the opposite of horrifying. I was more of thinking horror movies that are aimed towards teenagers *cough*slashers*cough* and B-class movies. Then there are those movies that linger on scenes with women getting killed (Snuff 1976), tortured (Guinea Pig; The Devil's experiment 1985) etc. Some even are more like extreme porn. Imo sexuality can also be used to make something shocking and disgusting, or comical. It's natural and normal thing to us, including it with something we would find scary or disgusting would just fuel the shocking factor more. There's also the fact horror movies were more free to add sexual themes, because they have never been favored by academy and critics, and higher rating didn't usually harm them. Including things that were rare or even forbidden in other media was a good way to get more audience and talk about it thanks to controversial content. Nekromantik 1987 is about human sexuality but it's not sexy. Tetsuo the Iron man 1989 has sex scenes but I wouldn't call it sexy. Tokyo Gore Police 2008 also uses sexual themes, but again, I don't think it's sexy. Edit// There's also Elvira's Movie Macabre series with hostess Elvira who is sexual character. It's more comical than those others titles I named. Notice I'm not just talking about sexuality, but sexiness. Lynch, for example, uses sexuality yet his films are not sexy. He uses our sexual impulse to tempt us to find sexiness in something warped, and thus increase the horror. With this distinction, can you clarify your position? |
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