EcchiKingMamster said: urpoutta said: Because @EcchiKingMamster didn't prove any kind of sources (I'm not even sure what he's saying there. Idk how that's relevant to any of this) here you go, some list of most searched keywords and websites Link 1 Link 2 Link 3 Humans are sexual beings but alongside porn top googled keywords are "weather", "Youtube", "Hotels" etc. so it's not like everything we do is sexual in nature or stem from it. Or at least I don't go around thinking lewds while working and doing generally anything else. i found a couple sites that had circle graphs where adult content was the highest, but i was too lazy to list them as they can just be dismissed as bias or w/e urpoutta said: Or at least I don't go around thinking lewds while working and doing generally anything else. man wtf? i refuse to believe im the only person on AD who is like this lol How can I think of sexy stuff while doing work in rain, getting bit by horseflies and ants and just wanting to sleep dude. My first thought there is "Anything for money" lol |
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Darek said: @urpoutta thanks for saving his arse but I do not care anymore, this is the last time I ever argued about anything with Mamster. I consider him a friend but he can be so frustrating at times that it is beyond me and I rather stop before I cross any line. ____ Also I believe I still owe you some sort of apologies @EcchiKingMamster for acting a bit too much like a dick, so sorry about that. Oh well it was nice reading your first comment. This thread is pretty much a clusterfuck beyond saving |
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| @Darek @urpoutta unfortunately im someone who is constantly misrepresented and taken out of context who says a bunch of shit that many people don't like.. oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just leave my ass and titties alone or i will find you |
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| @zal I did read it the first time around, though >_> I just didn't think much of it by and large. I can attempt to sum up the issues I took with it by looking at the blogger's interpretations of the character of Ragyo, but I'm sorry, I'm not going to respond to an 8,500 word blog post on AD to highlight each and every reason I didn't like it much. First, let’s look at Ragyo: how is she portrayed in the final episode?  At first, she looks almost like a God.  'She is then shown basking in pleasure – the pleasure of subservience to life fibers.  She then is pretty much Satan. Ragyo is repeated related to Christian imagery, and in addition is displayed as an absolute authority figure who promises pleasure in exchange for freedom (also seen in the whole “Junketsu dominating Ryuko” arc). This has been a running theme throughout the show, and Ryuko and company must resist such a call: they must fight for their emancipation from such a monster. Tell me - how am I supposed to argue an interpretation of a character representing christian symbolism if one of the foundations being provided is "At first, she looks almost like a God." and the other big one given is "She then is pretty much Satan?" The most egregious thing about this is that he could've pulled the scene where Ragyo got thrown up on the cross by Satsuki to reinforce this (because fuck, at least there's a cross), but instead opted to go for "this character looks godlike/satanlike" as his means of reinforcing his interpretation of the symbolism behind the character. The connection is being made on such a level that it's impossible to argue, but it's not only that - the connection is being made by connecting what's being provided as taking a shot that, ostensibly, is portraying Ragyo as an extremely powerful/evil figure in some form, then connecting those two interpretations as being related to some form of divinity, and thus, christian symbolism. That is nothing to really substantially differentiate this interpretation from the "poor" interpretation I mocked earlier; aside from the length of the whole blog post, at least. So it depends; where's the correlation between the way the person writing the blog describes as appearing "godlike" and "satanlike" correlate to the character of Ragyo being heavily steeped in Christian symbolism? To the second aspect of his interpretation of the character of Ragyo, though - the aspect of people seeking emancipation (Ryuko and friends) from an oppressive authority figure (Ragyo.) In a way, he himself expresses my issues when it comes to that interpretation himself earlier in the lengthy blog post, during his lengthy preface over objective versus subjective interpretations -  Just take this: Or if I use historical materialism to construct a narrative about how TTGL is really about the subjugation of the proletariat (the humans) and the revolution of the working class against the bourgeoisie (beastmen and anti-spirals), you can’t really falsify that either: it’s a meta-narrative that can read itself into almost any story. And you can literally turn it into this and have it mean basically the same thing: Or if I use historical materialism to construct a narrative about how KLK is really about the subjugation of the people (the students) and their emancipation against absolute authoritarianism (Ragyo), you can’t really falsify that either: it’s a meta-narrative that can read itself into almost any story. The only difference is that, instead of being about the Marxist theory of Historical Materialism like was his hypothetical TTGL example, it's just stretched out to a broader theme of authoritarianism versus the people being ruled over in an authoriatarian society. There's a reason that Historical Materialism has many non-Marxist variants. Maybe it's just a personal caveat, because it's something that's easy to do, and there's a reason that Historic Materialism has many non-Marxist variants to it. I don't believe the blogger is incorrect at all about that being a narrative that's possible to be interpreted as being a part of almost any story, be it KLK or something like OreImo. This is just kind of something with me and arguments of symbolism, I guess. I need something really goddamn convincing because it feels like so often there's not much of a connection between idea A and idea B. ---- @Yudina Thanks for giving me the time to make that post, then. |
ManabanAug 17, 2017 4:37 PM
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Manaban said: Not like I wanted you to respond to the 8,500 word blog post at all, it was just a response to your reply that was saying: "I've yet to get anything of substance in explaining the themes to me". Is that blog void of substance in explaining the themes?@zal I did read it the first time around, though >_> I just didn't think much of it by and large. I can attempt to sum up the issues I took with it by looking at the blogger's interpretations of the character of Ragyo, but I'm sorry, I'm not going to respond to an 8,500 word blog post on AD to highlight each and every reason I didn't like it much. First, let’s look at Ragyo: how is she portrayed in the final episode? At first, she looks almost like a God. 'She is then shown basking in pleasure – the pleasure of subservience to life fibers. She then is pretty much Satan. Ragyo is repeated related to Christian imagery, and in addition is displayed as an absolute authority figure who promises pleasure in exchange for freedom (also seen in the whole “Junketsu dominating Ryuko” arc). This has been a running theme throughout the show, and Ryuko and company must resist such a call: they must fight for their emancipation from such a monster. Tell me - how am I supposed to argue an interpretation of a character representing christian symbolism if one of the foundations being provided is "At first, she looks almost like a God." and the other big one given is "She then is pretty much Satan." The most egregious thing about this is that he could've pulled the scene where Ragyo got thrown up on the cross by Satsuki to reinforce this (because fuck, at least there's a cross), but instead opted to go for "this character looks godlike/satanlike" as his means of reinforcing his interpretation of the symbolism behind the character. The connection is being made on such a level that it's impossible to argue, but it's not only that - the connection is being made by connecting what's being provided as taking a shot that, ostensibly, is portraying Ragyo as an extremely powerful/evil figure in some form, then connecting those two interpretations as being related to some form of divinity, and thus, christian symbolism. That is nothing to really substantially differentiate this interpretation from the "poor" interpretation I mocked earlier; aside from the length of the whole blog post, at least. So it depends; where's the correlation between the way the person writing the blog describes as appearing "godlike" and "satanlike" correlate to the character of Ragyo being heavily steeped in Christian symbolism? To the second aspect of his interpretation of the character of Ragyo, though - the aspect of people seeking emancipation (Ryuko and friends) from an oppressive authority figure (Ragyo.) In a way, he himself expresses my issues when it comes to that interpretation himself earlier in the lengthy blog post, during his lengthy preface over objective versus subjective interpretations - Just take this: Or if I use historical materialism to construct a narrative about how TTGL is really about the subjugation of the proletariat (the humans) and the revolution of the working class against the bourgeoisie (beastmen and anti-spirals), you can’t really falsify that either: it’s a meta-narrative that can read itself into almost any story. And you can literally turn it into this and have it mean basically the same thing: Or if I use historical materialism to construct a narrative about how KLK is really about the subjugation of the people (the students) and their emancipation against absolute authoritarianism (Ragyo), you can’t really falsify that either: it’s a meta-narrative that can read itself into almost any story. The only difference is that, instead of being about the Marxist theory of Historical Materialism like was his hypothetical TTGL example, it's just stretched out to a broader theme of authoritarianism versus the people being ruled over in an authoriatarian society. There's a reason that Historical Materialism has many non-Marxist variants. Maybe it's just a personal caveat, because it's something that's easy to do, and there's a reason that Historic Materialism has many non-Marxist variants to it. I don't believe the blogger is incorrect at all about that being a narrative that's possible to be interpreted as being a part of almost any story, be it KLK or something like OreImo. This is just kind of something with me and arguments of symbolism, I guess. I need something really goddamn convincing because it feels like so often there's not much of a connection between idea A and idea B. ---- @Yudina Thanks for giving me the time to make that post, then. Both God and Satan are part of Christian symbolism depending on her mood. When she just transformed and felt pleasure she was god, when enraged she became satan. Also the interpretation is not only looking at the imagery but at the words as well where saying "master of all life fibers" and more supporting symbolism like "rainbows are symbolic of a covenant between God and mankind" or lines like Ragyo saying "it has been his fate to cover his body in the clothing called sins". These bits are in the "The Imperialistic, Christian West" part of the blog. You say: " is portraying Ragyo as an extremely powerful/evil figure in some form" but I would change figure to deity. Feel free to make your own blog connecting OreImo with the subjugation of the proletariat and the revolution of the working class against the bourgeoisie. After all symbolism is an indirect way of communicating ideas and it's up to the viewer to connect the dots so I kinda understand your thinking "this can mean anything and nothing" but given the amount of hints that discredit coincidence and them "meaning nothing", they have to mean something. What's that something is up for debate. |
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| *Takes a quick look at the thread, it turned into a clusterfuck with a long ass interesting discussion about Kill la Kill* Hey, nice. Let me grab a drink! @EcchiKingMamster so despite there being 7 billion people on earth and despite all the negative stigma against sexualization and pressures for people to not be so open about it. im just far hornier than other guys? really? no one is lying for fear of judgement? no.. im just hornier than most?.. ok... well i don't see why it can't be that im just far less shameful about it Poor oppressed and brave snowflake, really. You make no sense and your insecurities are showing. @Yudina You did a pretty good job at structuring that thing, trust me <: Other nods to WWII's fascism include the history classes, and the male students haircut (stahlhelms) |
DeathkoAug 18, 2017 9:19 AM
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| @Clebardman Uh huh... says the edgelord who has to come into every ecchi thread to remind everyone how much more mature he is than we are @LucaLink You were fapping before puberty? Damn |
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EcchiKingMamster said: You were fapping before puberty? Damn Actually puberty is a several years long period of time. So I'd say during, more than before. But it's not all about fapping. It's mostly during puberty that you like to see porny-like things in just about everything. Later, when you get more accustomed to it and also get real life experiences, you get a more mature taste, with which the porn/hentai you like is more of the well-made ones, and separated from the serious things because you're lacking the urges that made you constantly obsessed back then. |
LucaLink said: EcchiKingMamster said: You were fapping before puberty? Damn Actually puberty is a several years long period of time. So I'd say during, more than before. But it's not all about fapping. It's mostly during puberty that you like to see porny-like things in just about everything. Later, when you get more accustomed to it and also get real life experiences, you get a more mature taste, with which the porn/hentai you like is more of the well-made ones, and separated from the serious things because you're lacking the urges that made you constantly obsessed back then. Congratulations on sharing YOUR sexual fetish changes over time... but that's definitely not how it works for everyone I know some married guys who are all anywhere from 30 to 40 or so who are obsessed with fanservice |
EcchiGodMamsterAug 18, 2017 11:09 AM
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| @Maneki-Mew You know, not everyone is run by his fetishes. There are people, who think of a plot and idea and want to tell it and the story of their characters. ok and what you're sexually into is still going to affect how you make your story/plot to some degree Thanks, you know better than anyone else the motivation for themselves. XD As I said: not everyone is run by their fetishes. whether or not you see the point of something still doesn't mean someone else doesn't No, I don't. Do you realize that the type of women, who shit on men like "They are all assholes" would say that? minus the fact that i talk to other guys about the this stuff all the time and i this is the impression i get, as well as knowing so many guys who tell me "im just hiding it for this reason" getting told by women shit like "ugh.. you boys.." or "you're such a guy" "the only reason im not doing this is because of this girl" and just hearing general shit from other guys, whether it be on TV or w/e etc i don't think im crazy to have come to this conclusion You know that, because...? because im male and i have a general sense of what men are like, us human beings aren't as different as we like to think we are, were still animals and we still have similar instincts I don't think you mean "creepy". Your explanations sound CREEPY without the quotation marks. Believe it or not, you could make compliments about someone's appearance without being creepy. It's about a proper and not intrusive behavior and all the vibes. It's not creepy to have healthy sexual drive and speak in a normal way about it. It is, if someone gives you the bad vibes. Being a horny fuck gives you those. Lol. What a great argument. "You don't have a penis, so shut up." /).- well that is just your personal preference on how you like to hear people talk about it.. so.. i can't help you there the male and female brain are different and you don't have a dick, therefore can't speak on how men react to having a dick.. what else can i say? It's not about "self-control", for people, who don't like Ecchi it's about the big cringe. Again: if they want to talk about sexuality and make sexual jokes, they should go ahead... but not in that way. Many of those scenes are like a 13 y/o boy, who doesn't know anything and is also too scared and clueless to speak ACTUALLY about sexuality, but thinks boobs are hot, has made them. X.x nothing but opinion.. you're watching shows aimed at men with fanservice aimed at men, you can't understand because you're not part of the target audience.. guys say the same thing about men in media aimed at women, "theyre too gay, theyre too unmanly" etc.. that is nothing but you being a girl and saying "are men really into this?" well yea.. many of us are |
EcchiGodMamsterAug 20, 2017 7:10 AM
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| I love fanservice, but the thing I hate is when a main character in harem anime kisses a girl and she tries to do something else, she starts removing her clothes and then BAAAAM! all the other girls are in there and complaining and shit... Let Saijaku Muhai no Bahamut be an example. Krulcifer kissed Lux 2 times and other girls instantly teleported in the room. I would have been happier if they continued their kissing, even though in that anime I was rooting for Lisha and not Krulcifer. |
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| cause sometimes fanservice just ruins the mood in an anime there is such a thing as too much fanservice |
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| @Maneki-Mew Wtf, no. In what way? Of course, your taste defines the character design etc... but taste and preferences aren't automatically a sexual thing. Maybe for you. Sorry, but all your answers here are just oversexed af. But you will answer: I'm just honest about it! Nobody else is! well leme ask you this.. if you were to make an anime, would you not draw the guys to fit what you find sexually attractive? and would you ever show it off? if the answer is yes to either one.. then thats my point Or maybe you just know one kind of guys. or maybe human beings just happen to all be a similar species, just like other animals are all similar to eachother.. how about that? were not THAT MUCH DIFFERENT from other creatures, were still run to a large degree by instinct and humans tend to have similar thought processes overall its not crazy for me as a male with male hormones to believe that another male with male hormones is gonna have hormones that react the same way mine do some of you guys really seem to think were just in full control of our physiology and nothing is just natural or instinctive but ofcourse, anyone tries to bring any kind of polling, studies or science into the mix, you'll just dismiss it as pseudo science or bias many of you guys also seem to believe that no one here is lying out of shame or fear of judgement, nope on the internet EVERYONE tells the truth, its not like people are afraid of being seen as creepy or perverted, cause that never happens Thinking that someone/thing is creepy is a personal preference now? :'D (and yeah, what means "creepy" anyway!? XD) Forget the whole discussion. I got it. You are a very manly man, full of testosterone and nobody can't understand it and shouldn't dare to question or form opinions on this without a dick. XDD That's a good criterion! what one person thinks is creepy another might not, how is that hard to understand? i didn't say that PunkHazard98 said: cause sometimes fanservice just ruins the mood in an anime there is such a thing as too much fanservice no it doesn't and no theres not.. you're just parroting the same shit you've seen other people say |
EcchiGodMamsterAug 21, 2017 12:24 AM
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PunkHazard98 said: How does fanservice ruin the mood? (nvm Nanatsu No Taizai I can understand but taste is subjective so yea whatever) cause sometimes fanservice just ruins the mood in an anime there is such a thing as too much fanservice AntaWentFullBaka said: Because I want to get horny first BEFORE i jerk off to hentai'Cause why watch ecchi when there's hentai? |
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Maneki-Mew said: Sorry, but all your answers here are just oversexed af. But you will answer: I'm just honest about it! Nobody else is! Pretty much @EcchiKingMamster in a nutshell. If he was less extremist and generalizing and, frankly, zealous about it he'd even have a point about some people. But I'm not sure how to get through to him that he is just one type of guy, and not even the most common one, just the most stereoptypical on. The kind that has little interest in the parts of humanity that go beyond animal instincts even tho it's those parts that are responsible for everything humanity has achieved. If we didn't grow beyond our animal instincts, we'd still be humping in the bushes instead of having a history of thousands of years of civilization and culture. So how in the hell is the one thing about humans that doesn't set us apart from all the other animals, the only thing you talk about when it comes to human nature? That is reductionism at its finest. Most guys, including everyone I know (and I must know because im male and I have a general sense of what men are like because of that ;) ) has a more balanced and less obsessed approach to sexuality. You accept it as a part of you, but how much you prioritize it exactly is up to the individual. If your friends and the people you talk to or that talk to you are different than that then it's most likely because similar-minded people attract each other. That goes for both of us, except I'm not making the assumption that you and the people who are like you are just posing and purposefully exaggerating their sexual interest beyond what is normal and healthy to assure themselves of their manlihood because they can only identify themselves as males by obsessing over girls based on their limited idea of what masculinity means. But really you are just like us, just like me, but you're simply not being honest about it because you're ashamed since you're afraid it would make you less of a man. Which would be the equivalent of your constant presumptions about anyone who is less obsessed with sex than you are being dishonest. |
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| @Pullman im sorry that my experience in life has shown me that men generally tend to be horny fucks, but we live in a society that tells us that thats a bad thing, therefore i've come to the conclusion that many of us are just pressured to keep it on the low especially when so many have told me they do that i've also mentioned that many women are horny af too but because of the whole "slut", "whore", etc they don't act like it and had women respond to me like "yea, thats definitely the case" sorry, but i get told that quite frequently, so i don't think im crazy for assuming it also about me claiming that many ecchi bashers are closet ecchi fans.. well is it not the case that much of the time bashing things is a sign of shame? i always use this cause its probably the best example, but wtf is the difference between a homophobic preacher who says shit like "gays go to hell", "gays are ruining society", "theyre trying to make us all fags", "gays don't deserve rights" only to find out hes secretly having gay sex at night when no one can catch him and an ecchi basher who says "ecchi is for losers", "ecchi is killing anime", "theyre just pandering to perverts", "i would get rid of ecchi if i could" please explain to me why should i make an exception for the latter? why shouldn't i believe theyre just ashamed of liking it like the preacher? |
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EcchiKingMamster said: @Pullman im sorry that my experience in life has shown me that men generally tend to be horny fucks, but we live in a society that tells us that thats a bad thing, therefore i've come to the conclusion that many of us are just pressured to keep it on the low especially when so many have told me they do that i've also mentioned that many women are horny af too but because of the whole "slut", "whore", etc they don't act like it and had women respond to me like "yea, thats definitely the case" sorry, but i get told that quite frequently, so i don't think im crazy for assuming it also about me claiming that many ecchi bashers are closet ecchi fans.. well is it not the case that much of the time bashing things is a sign of shame? i always use this cause its probably the best example, but wtf is the difference between a homophobic preacher who says shit like "gays go to hell", "gays are ruining society", "theyre trying to make us all fags", "gays don't deserve rights" only to find out hes secretly having gay sex at night when no one can catch him and an ecchi basher who says "ecchi is for losers", "ecchi is killing anime", "theyre just pandering to perverts", "i would get rid of ecchi if i could" please explain to me why should i make an exception for the latter? why shouldn't i believe theyre just ashamed of liking it like the preacher? You shouldn't be sorry about your experience in life, but about the fact that you ignore and don't believe other people with different experiences. You always say how people come to you and teel you you're right, but you fail to acknowledge that at least as many people continuously tell you that you're wrong, like me and a shittone of others. Although at this point most people have given up, even the ones that are friends of yours on MAL because EVERYONE knows that you are incapable of changing your mind. So yeah, if you work very hard at having an image that dismisses different views and embraces everyone who agrees with you, it is no surprise that you get those kind of reactions. The majority just doesn't want to waste their time arguing with a brick wall. People regularly come to ME and tell me that they can't understand why I still argue with you because your selective perception seems incurable :/. Two can play this game of 'people come to me so it has to be true'. But in reality if you're loud and active enough about ANY opinion, even a minority one, you will attract likeminded followers. That's nothing special. Drawing wrong conclusions from that and feeling like you speak for the whole male gender or even all of humanity is when it becomes obnoxious. Also I'm not gonna re-enact a previous conversation about sex in society with you, but I'll say that sexuality hasn't been this free in most of history and even if you americans are still more prudish in some, select, weird ways than europeans, sexuality is far from oppressed in general in our societies. Even religious people are using 'loopholes' like anal sex because society demands sex of people and we constantly get it shoved in our faces in TV and movies and other media as well. I feel being a 27yo virgin is treated as being weirder than losing your virginity with 12 or 13 which should tell you everything you know about how society thinks about sex. They're closer to your view than to mine. Idk what kind of delusion you are under that makes you think society demonizes sexuality. Just because it isn't socially acceptable to rape each other on instinct doesn't mean sexuality is getting oppressed. The only people who are not sex-positive are religious nutjobs and those are by far a minority. Again, you judge everything by your absurdly one-sided standards according to which pretty much nothing else aside from sexual interest defines human nature. But from an unbiased perspective society has a pretty healthy attitude towards sexuality, and is even obsessed with it in certain ways (like oversexing a lot of commercials or TV series and music videos etc...). As I said, pretty much any kind of (legal) sexual lifestyle and preference is accepted, virginity and purity still have their appeal in a way but not to a degree where it becomes oppressive or obsessive, it is not taboo at all to talk about sexuality in public ways and so on. I'm hard-pressed to think of any ways in which your argument makes sense. From almost every angle our current society is extremely open about sexuality. In some areas, sure, there is room for improvement. In others it is already almost too present. Overall it's pretty balanced. Except from your point of which it is hard to see sexuality as being oppressed. Which would probably only be satisfied if sex is the only thing we value and everything else becomes an afterthought, a means to an end and people who don't think about sex 24/7 need to be re-educated in special learning camps to learn how to be honest about themselves... What you don't seem to understand is that IF people give people like you weird looks it is not always because of their interest in sexuality and people not liking that. It is because of the obsessive, all-consuming nature of that interest, because of how exaggerated it is compared to the majority of people. The fact that nothing else seems to matter as long as the libido gets satisfied. the fact that you reject anything that makes humans humans in favor of animal instincts. Anything that makes you so obsessed about it that you are baffled when other people tell you they don't think about it all the time, is kinda weird and creepy. Just like cats are cute and everybody loves them, but an obsessive catlady who takes that love way beyond what is normal and healthy is gonna be treated as weird, possibly even creepy. No matter what you think, it is simple not normal when you think of it all the time. That's far beyond what most of society would call a 'healthy sexuality', but even still it is fairly socially acceptable and some of the most beloved characters in western TV are exactly like that (take Barney form HIMYM) and they don't get shit on or censored. The still-existing prejudices against cartoons/animation don't help either in making people not be judgmental. It is definitely seen as weirder to get off to anime tits than to get off to actually having sex or watching 'real' porn. So it is not the sex aspect that gets demonized and judged as weird. Not at all. The sooner you get over that silly thought, the better. It's all the surrounding stuff that might make people think it's weird. Focus your arguments on combating those prejudices instead because they are actually still real, even if slowly in decline. And honestly I don't think extreme homophobes are necessarily gay either. Sure, there might be some cases but in general people can just passionately hate something because of their capacity for intolerance and narrow-minded views. Even more so if religion is involved. So yeah, two wrong generalizations don't make a right. Supporting a faulty conclusion with another one doesn't make it true. Just because something CAN be a sign for something else, doesn't justify automatically assuming it for 100% of the cases when the real number is much, much lower. You think just because something exists (like sex-negative people or homophobes who are secretly gay) it is a huge problem on a large scale and can be generalized to apply to everyone by default until proven otherwise. That is just such an incredibly wrong approach that I can't understand how anyone can not see how flawed it is. Again, I feel like your tendency to see everything in black and white is getting in the way of seeing how things actually are. Yes, the sex-negative people you describe do exist, but they are just a comparatively small part of society. Being sex-positive is very widespread as long as you don't hold it to some absurd standards like you do. You seem to see anyone less obsessed as you as sex-negative while in reality you are just the top of the iceberg, the most extreme version of sex-positivity that goes beyond just accepting sexuality as part of our lives, but glorifying it as the only thing that matters. |
AlcoholicideAug 21, 2017 1:26 AM
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EcchiKingMamster said: @Maneki-Mew Wtf, no. In what way? Of course, your taste defines the character design etc... but taste and preferences aren't automatically a sexual thing. Maybe for you. Sorry, but all your answers here are just oversexed af. But you will answer: I'm just honest about it! Nobody else is! well leme ask you this.. if you were to make an anime, would you not draw the guys to fit what you find sexually attractive? and would you ever show it off? if the answer is yes to either one.. then thats my point Or maybe you just know one kind of guys. or maybe human beings just happen to all be a similar species, just like other animals are all similar to eachother.. how about that? were not THAT MUCH DIFFERENT from other creatures, were still run to a large degree by instinct and humans tend to have similar thought processes overall its not crazy for me as a male with male hormones to believe that another male with male hormones is gonna have hormones that react the same way mine do some of you guys really seem to think were just in full control of our physiology and nothing is just natural or instinctive but ofcourse, anyone tries to bring any kind of polling, studies or science into the mix, you'll just dismiss it as pseudo science or bias many of you guys also seem to believe that no one here is lying out of shame or fear of judgement, nope on the internet EVERYONE tells the truth, its not like people are afraid of being seen as creepy or perverted, cause that never happens Thinking that someone/thing is creepy is a personal preference now? :'D (and yeah, what means "creepy" anyway!? XD) Forget the whole discussion. I got it. You are a very manly man, full of testosterone and nobody can't understand it and shouldn't dare to question or form opinions on this without a dick. XDD That's a good criterion! what one person thinks is creepy another might not, how is that hard to understand? i didn't say that PunkHazard98 said: cause sometimes fanservice just ruins the mood in an anime there is such a thing as too much fanservice no it doesn't and no theres not.. you're just parroting the same shit you've seen other people say Have you even seen animes like high school of the dead? They had so much potential if it wasnt for the lame ass fanservice |
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| @Pullman ok this is the issue... i told you WAY BACK when we first me that im NOT IM NOT IM NOT IM NOT talking about EVERYONE.. i just like many other people can speak as though i am if i say MEN.. i don't mean every single man on earth.. if i say women, i don't mean EVERY SINGLE WOMAN.. if i say US same.. please bruh... have i ever told you that i think you're lying? no... do i think you're lying? no.. i could be wrong, but you for the most part, seem like a very honest person. please bruh, im not saying EVERY SINGLE GUY, im talking about a general sense based on everything i've noticed or heard from men, whether that be irl or online. if YOU and some others don't fall into it, GREAT.. good for you, then idk why you can't ignore what i say and realize you're not who im talking about ok.. i told you, theres plenty of people who have said to me... "yea, i do that".. well guess what.. i don't believe for a second that AD is void of them, which i think is the biggest issue here... its like you guys seem to think that NO ONE here is the type of person im talking about, well my goal is to flush them out, which has happened many many times i have ALSO explained before that part of the reason i act like this is to make others feel better about being perverts.. there is shame for being a pervert.. there just is.. its part of the reason so many people feel bad about watching anime. i've listed things earlier in this thread that people have said in regards to how they feel about fanservice, and you've seen the threads where people have asked, "is it really ok for me to like this?" or worse off, those who make ecchi hate threads, like "you're all losers for liking this" then you go to their list and not only is there a ton of ecchi in there, but they also have it in their PTW, thats not them feeling bad about liking it?.. why does the E/H discord group have over 200 members yet only about 10 people ever talk? SO MANY PEOPLE say they don't watch it simply out of shame or feeling like it makes them creepy. well so many people flock to me because im somewhat of a safe haven for them, im a person that they can express what theyre hiding to and know they will not be judged.. its another thing i've been told so many times. infact the vast majority of people who message me aren't even ecchi fans.. theyre instead people who became interested in ecchi because of me or what they saw on my profile, as well as ofc those who became a bit less shameful overtime, whether that be because of the way they saw me acting or w/e. also 80-90% of my FR don't say a word to me and i like to find like minded people, and when i look at people who FR me's profiles.. its not usually people with ecchi in their lists. so why else would they FR me other than my profile? or something i said in a forum that they liked? why have there been certain days when i'll just randomly get like 8 FR? why do i usually get a mass of them after posting in a forum? its not like i make threads.. its not like a run groups, and its not like im know on youtube or anything... so how can i not reach these conclusions when this is my experience? anyway.. i just don't want people to have to feel like they can't say something or be into something because of the negative reaction from others, so for those shameful people who are constantly telling me about their fanservice shame.. im looking for them and yes, society pressures people to get laid, but much of the time it seems like people are only doing that to keep people from acting horny, cause its seems as though the instant you just wanna look at titties, many people are gonna tell you you need to chill or you're being creepy, wtf? like when people say "you just need to get laid", its like a once you fuck, you magically only care about that and nothing else sexual.. "just look at porn" is another one.. they act like sex is the be all end all and that its some sort of "cure" to titty or ass obsession, which is mostly what society seems to pan. the grocery store i work at covers up magazines of women that are showing cleavage and or that have the word sex on the cover even a person owns ONE body pillow.. many people will think hes creepy, i just got recent told by someone that he doesn't go to anime conventions because hes afraid of "child molesters"... SERIOUSLY? not saying their are none, but are your chances of walking by one any lower in everyday society? but no.. the stigma against anime fans daring to be attracted to idealized cartoon girls means they must want to fuck real 12 year olds... i again have people tell me that they don't buy certain things because theyre afraid of "scaring girls away", or "i hide it when she comes over". anyway, i fully acknowledge that theres probably many people on this site that think im creepy.. but w/e.. im not going to lie to myself just to change some other peoples minds about me oh and idk if this will surprise you or not, but my BEST anime friend.. aka the guy i talk the the most regularly about anime is not an ecchi fag, hes not a moe fag... hes an action fag.. infact, ill say something like "this was my favorite part of the anime", and he'll be like "nooooooooo, not like this", in a joking way, sure, but in a way where hes assuring me that thats not his thing. i actually discuss anime with him, like you know.. what we think will happen next and all that... i don't just say titties this, titties that or w/e lastly... i used to be really into whole atheist vs religion thing.. so the gay preacher thing came up every so often, i've heard the same thing from multiple sources and people, and they all say its almost always the case that homophobic preachers and just people who tend to bash gays are pretty much always gay themselves. so again.. its also no different from when the teacher asks who did it and a student says "it wasn't me".. sure, maybe it wasn't them, but that sure as hell looks suspicious... so im not going to make an exception for the anime community.. are you gonna tell me those people who make those bait threads calling everyone losers are really these badasses irl? or are they instead people who feel bad about something, so they try to find people they can shit on... please my dude.. if they REALLY didn't care for something, they'd ignore it instead of spending their time reminding everyone else how much better they are than others for not liking it @PunkHazard98 anotha one... |
EcchiGodMamsterAug 21, 2017 7:29 AM
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urpoutta said: TheBrainintheJar said: Telling me everything is a preference is like telling me you're about to write your comment in the English language - obvious, unnecessary, redundant. Any argument that the boobs were necessary? Voin minä kyllä suomeksikin kirjoittaa, iha vaa koska vitut mitäs mie mittöö engelsmannien kielt puhuisin Try to argue with me then why sexual fanservice would not fit in there. That's really just all I'm asking here, why they would not suit one series and ruin it (not necessarily HOTD). And I mean in case of writing and directing. Still all I can think off is when it would be actually in bad taste like showing some character doing suicide but in sexy way, and writers trying to say they want to bring awareness to mental illnesses or some horse shit. But why HOTD would have boobs and ass shots you ask? Because horror genre is not all new to sexual tone and yes even so called sexual fanservice. Different reasons why one would have it there but some have it to be as eye candy. Anyway it gives it more personality beyond Something-Zombies-Something-Dead and it's originally a comic, they have more artistic freedom there to twist human body anyway they want making action scenes more extravagant and comical. The show isn't trying to be serious, it's action including zombies and some humor. Maybe one could even say it's a zombie story told in "anime way" like using tropes we are all familiar with. Maneki-Mew said: I don't know. I've seen enough of it and the "camera" of the scenes and the execution let me think: That's so ridiculous. Do the producer themselves even give a fuck and do they take their own anime serious? I imagine them (or the mangaka)... drunk in a bar, making suggestives jokes and writing the battle scenes: "Lool, what if we look at her boobs with this camera angle ..." XD Why not? Some good and funny ideas come up while just throwing some stuff in the air. Rick and Morty isn't a serious and producers do what ever fuck they just want with it. Pretty good show if you ask me. Also never forget Ghost Stories eng dub. I say go for it no matter what weird ass idea it is, if you like it. Bruh this makes me seem like a huge fan of HOTD when I'm not. I give it thumbs up, if it was in anyway inspiration to Tokyo Gore genre. That's some good stuff there. All I'm just interested to hear is where one's idea "fanservice automatically makes a serie's writing bad" comes from. I need to clarify. The objection is not to nudity in and of itself, but sexualized nudity. The Saw films also have some their nudity, but it's never sexual. The series never got its R-rating for sexual content. I actually don't see why a horror story needs sexiness. After all, by its nature it needs to take us outside ourselves, show us something inhuman and disgusting. Sexuality is, well, sexy - the opposite of horrifying. |
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Shicchi said: I just can't take anime with many ecchi/fanservice stuff seriously. Simple. well animes that have much ecchi/fanservice stuff are mostly comedies and they dont need to be taken 100% seriously |
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Clebardman said: The more I read it, the more I think it's poorly written and should be deleted, but hey I'll take compliments where I get them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯@Yudina You did a pretty good job at structuring that thing, trust me <: Other nods to WWII's fascism include the history classes, and the male students haircut (stahlhelms) As for the original question, I feel like this doesn't need to be said, but apparently it does. Every show has its own ideas and internal consistency. I'm very much a proponent of the whole "if something is in a show, it has to contribute to some way to the overall aesthetic/objective of the show." If I, instead, asked a question that raised the concern of why people didn't like lengthy philosophical monologues in a show, I'd probably get responses similar to those here in the thread. It breaks the pace. It ruins the mood. It seems unnecessary and forced in for no good reason. The same goes for ecchi/fanservice. Not all shows need/require it. Seems very simple to me. |
EcchiKingMamster said: @Pullman ok this is the issue... i told you WAY BACK when we first me that im NOT IM NOT IM NOT IM NOT talking about EVERYONE.. i just like many other people can speak as though i am if i say MEN.. i don't mean every single man on earth.. if i say women, i don't mean EVERY SINGLE WOMAN.. if i say US same.. please bruh... So you basically use the grammatically wrong way to express what you actually mean? That is on you, not on me. I will always take people by what they actually say and saying 'Men are XYZ' is different from saying 'some men are XYZ'. Nobody will think you mean the latter when you say the former, that's just how language works. have i ever told you that i think you're lying? no... do i think you're lying? no.. i could be wrong, but you for the most part, seem like a very honest person. please bruh, im not saying EVERY SINGLE GUY, im talking about a general sense based on everything i've noticed or heard from men, whether that be irl or online. if YOU and some others don't fall into it, GREAT.. good for you, then idk why you can't ignore what i say and realize you're not who im talking about you actually did before I wrote my very first wall of text replies to explain my position. And it is frustrating because my point was never to just convince you that I am different, but that a lot of people, including me, are different and you should start considering that in your rants and judgments of people. You accepted that I am not like you, but beyond that you still treat every random guy like it is more likely that they lie than just having a different approach. This guilty until proven innocent mentality just really bugs me, especially because I still believe your type is in the minority statistically. ok.. i told you, theres plenty of people who have said to me... "yea, i do that".. well guess what.. i don't believe for a second that AD is void of them, which i think is the biggest issue here... its like you guys seem to think that NO ONE here is the type of person im talking about, well my goal is to flush them out, which has happened many many times No, unlike you I always make very clear that I am not making statements that say everyone or noone is XYZ. I know those people exist, and I know you attract them. I jsut very strongly doubt they are anywhere near being the majority and can be seen as the standard (male) approach to sexuality, which you always infer. i have ALSO explained before that part of the reason i act like this is to make others feel better about being perverts.. there is shame for being a pervert.. there just is.. its part of the reason so many people feel bad about watching anime. i've listed things earlier in this thread that people have said in regards to how they feel about fanservice, and you've seen the threads where people have asked, "is it really ok for me to like this?" or worse off, those who make ecchi hate threads, like "you're all losers for liking this" then you go to their list and not only is there a ton of ecchi in there, but they also have it in their PTW, thats not them feeling bad about liking it?.. why does the E/H discord group have over 200 members yet only about 10 people ever talk? See, I think that being ashamed of what you watch is just a sign of a generally insecure personality that can't stand to its hobby. The stigma of anime alone would probably be enough to keep it a secret. It's just easiest to blame ecchi so they don't have to admit that their lack of confidence is the real problem. Also there's always gonna be trolls who just want to stir shit up. Anyone who knows you're around, knows how easy it is to rile you up with these threads. That does not go unnotied by the troll community. And again, there is nothing wrong with treating them like a part of the fandom, but your arguments never stop there and always infer that they are much more widespread than they actually are because you see everyone eho criticzes ecchi as either a mindless hater or secret lover although a lot of people criticize it and still like it, just depending on the execution. You don't seem to have any tolerance for that kind of thinking because to you execution does not matter, but for a lot of people do. Just because people don't love ecchi as unconditionally as you do doesn't mean they can't still be somewhat into the genre, while also maintaining a critical attitude when they feel it is executed badly. But I always see you not taking these kind of criticism seriously and treating those people as not credible. It's no wonder you feel that so many people hate on ecchi when you interpret any criticism as such. But it is pretty normal to be critical even of genres you like, of having a vague idea of what you find good or bad within the genres you like. You gotta understand that and accept that ecchi can be discussed in terms of good or bad, in terms of being well executed or completely trite. If you see at least some of these criticisms as people trying to improve a genre they like to some degree instead of being haters you might adapt a more reasonable attitude. I have genres I love to death, but I can still have critical opinions on them and like some more than others because of how they handle those elements. You seem to lack that ability to make distinctions and treat everyone who doesn't as a hater, when it's really your uncondition, completely uncritical love for ecchi that is outside the norm. And the funny thing about is that even you have standards for sexual fanservice, if it becomes too pornographic, too explicit, you don't like it anymore as I recently found out. Just because other people have other standards, draw the line elsewhere and enjoy other areas on the sexual service spectrum doesn't mean they hate it. But over and over I see you treat having standards for ecchi as something absurd that is proof of sex-negative attitudes or people just being ashamed and trying to justify it or bullshit like that. No, having standards is normal, even you have them, other people just have different ones and it doesn't make them people who hate ecchi or sex in general. SO MANY PEOPLE say they don't watch it simply out of shame or feeling like it makes them creepy. well so many people flock to me because im somewhat of a safe haven for them, im a person that they can express what theyre hiding to and know they will not be judged.. its another thing i've been told so many times. If you shout all the time, the same stuff over and over, and 10,000 people hear it, 20 or even 100 of them supporting you while the rest vehemently disagrees with anything you say, doesn't mean you're in the right. It just means that there will always be people who support any kind of view, no matter how extreme or unreasonable it is, as long as it is made with a loud voice over and over again. And you're good at having endurance when it comes to that kind of thing, I'll give you that. But you're always using your few supporters to back up your claims, while not accepting the fact that tons of people would agree with statements like 'Ecchi is enjoyable, but only IF XYZ' gives those claims any additional value. You bring up your supporters time and time again, but never bring up the fact that the people who disagree vastly outnumber your supporters. Either numbers are irrelevant on both sides in which case the number of supporters or people who secretly come to you about ecchi is irrelevant and doesn't justify your gross generalizations and 'guilty until proven innocent' methodology, or they aren't in which case we, the middle ground, vastly outnumbering you guys makes us have a stronger point compared to you. I also get approached by a lot of people on MAL because of my posts (or even about your posts because I'm the only one who still argues with you and hasn't just given up to leave you and your buddies to your circlejerk) but I'm not deluding myself that this gives my opinions any more weight. infact the vast majority of people who message me aren't even ecchi fans.. theyre instead people who became interested in ecchi because of me or what they saw on my profile, as well as ofc those who became a bit less shameful overtime, whether that be because of the way they saw me acting or w/e. also 80-90% of my FR don't say a word to me and i like to find like minded people, and when i look at people who FR me's profiles.. its not usually people with ecchi in their lists. so why else would they FR me other than my profile? or something i said in a forum that they liked? why have there been certain days when i'll just randomly get like 8 FR? why do i usually get a mass of them after posting in a forum? its not like i make threads.. its not like a run groups, and its not like im know on youtube or anything... so how can i not reach these conclusions when this is my experience? Well, as I said I'm not saying you don't attract those people. Basically what I wrote in the paragraph above. The fact that some people approach you does not give your arguments any more weight than they have by themselves, it does not justify generalizing the whole fandom or a whole gender. And not everybody who adds you will agree with 100% you say, you are not speaking for them. anyway.. i just don't want people to have to feel like they can't say something or be into something because of the negative reaction from others, so for those shameful people who are constantly telling me about their fanservice shame.. im looking for them Well, that's nice and all but if it is at the cost of shaming anyone who has a more critical attitude towards ecchi by not accepting their opinions as their real opinions, implying them to be prude and dishonest and basically making people feel bad for having different preferences like you, you are ruining any positive effect your presence may have on other people. You basically just change who gets judged unfairly and because you don't do it to your' people, you're fine with it. Well, I'm not. There are less obnoxious ways of promoting how much you love ecchi than shitting on literally everyone who criticizes it in any way or context. and yes, society pressures people to get laid, but much of the time it seems like people are only doing that to keep people from acting horny, cause its seems as though the instant you just wanna look at titties, many people are gonna tell you you need to chill or you're being creepy, wtf? like when people say "you just need to get laid", its like a once you fuck, you magically only care about that and nothing else sexual.. "just look at porn" is another one.. they act like sex is the be all end all and that its some sort of "cure" to titty or ass obsession, which is mostly what society seems to pan. the grocery store i work at covers up magazines of women that are showing cleavage and or that have the word sex on the cover well, kids can go to grocery shows so I wouldn't read too much into that beyond that. But there is a big difference whether you say sexuality gets oppressed, or whether you talk about the social acceptance of fetishes. Those are not the same thing. And I mean evolutionary speaking sexual interest is only a means to an end - which is sexual intercourse. Of course it is at the tip of the iceberg, it is the underlying motivation after all. You can't blame people for seeing someone who has no interest in actual sex but wants to fap to drawn tits of 12 year olds as a bit weird and outside the norm. Usually people strive more for actual sex, than to just watch at tiddies. Do you really find that assumption absurd? even a person owns ONE body pillow.. many people will think hes creepy, i just got recent told by someone that he doesn't go to anime conventions because hes afraid of "child molesters"... SERIOUSLY? not saying their are none, but are your chances of walking by one any lower in everyday society? but no.. the stigma against anime fans daring to be attracted to idealized cartoon girls means they must want to fuck real 12 year olds... i again have people tell me that they don't buy certain things because theyre afraid of "scaring girls away", or "i hide it when she comes over". anyway, i fully acknowledge that theres probably many people on this site that think im creepy.. but w/e.. im not going to lie to myself just to change some other peoples minds about me again this sounds more like an issue of general prejudice and incapability of understanding what anime fans are about, what the difference between 2d and 3d is. Nothing anti-sex. And to not change is your choice. But realistically speaking, yes, you will scare girls away. If someone cares more about that, more about increasing his chances of getting laid IRL than about having a body pillow, that is their choice. Life is about compromises to some degree, about prioritizing. Don't judge people just because they make different choices than you do. It's not even about lying to yourself, it's about making some sacrifices to improve your chances or social standing in other areas. Some people would not even let on that they watch ANY anime and that I find kinda extreme, but not wanting everyone to know you bathe in dakimakuras is not that unreasonable from a pragmatic point of view. In any case, it is their choice, not yours. oh and idk if this will surprise you or not, but my BEST anime friend.. aka the guy i talk the the most regularly about anime is not an ecchi fag, hes not a moe fag... hes an action fag.. infact, ill say something like "this was my favorite part of the anime", and he'll be like "nooooooooo, not like this", in a joking way, sure, but in a way where hes assuring me that thats not his thing. i actually discuss anime with him, like you know.. what we think will happen next and all that... i don't just say titties this, titties that or w/e you successfully surprised me. Doesn't change that the way you argue about ecchi is quite unreasonable and generalizing most of the time. lastly... i used to be really into whole atheist vs religion thing.. so the gay preacher thing came up every so often, i've heard the same thing from multiple sources and people, and they all say its almost always the case that homophobic preachers and just people who tend to bash gays are pretty much always gay themselves. so again.. its also no different from when the teacher asks who did it and a student says "it wasn't me".. sure, maybe it wasn't them, but that sure as hell looks suspicious... so im not going to make an exception for the anime community.. are you gonna tell me those people who make those bait threads calling everyone losers are really these badasses irl? or are they instead people who feel bad about something, so they try to find people they can shit on... please my dude.. if they REALLY didn't care for something, they'd ignore it instead of spending their time reminding everyone else how much better they are than others for not liking it I'm saying I don't know who these people are, or even if they are serious or just trying to stir shit up, and neither do you. There are probably buff people and weak people among them, trolls and insecure people. Anything beyond that is just presumptuous on your side. You always use anecdotal evidence that means nothing in the grand scheme of things to justify what you think of whole groups of people. That is just bad arguing and obnoxious behaviour and unless you start being more reasonable and tolerant and open-minded about the people who argue with you and not just parrot everything you say (your goons), your posts will never be taken seriously by most people who can use their brain. But just because people have given up on arguing with you because you don't have the capacity to adapt your opinions even 1cm in the direction of a more reasonable approach, doesn't mean you're in the right. Alienating everyone who disagrees with you while only focusing on the few handful of people who share your stance just screams of intellectual incest. If that's what you want you are on the right track because soon every regular who doesn't like ecchi as much as you do will have you on ignore. I base that on MY anecdotal evidence of talking to a lot of people who have given up on ever making you see that your stance is the extreme one, not ours. We just want you to accept some facts like that there can be a difference in quality and execution of ecchi that legitimately matters to a lot of people and that this doesn't mean being anti-ecchi or sex-negative. We want you to accept that criticizing does not mean hating. We want you to accept that your approach is the most extreme and one-sided approach to male sexuality and that the vast majority of people has a more balanced one where they don't think about tits all the time but instead delegate a certain amount of time to pandering to their sexual urges, while keeping other times free to focus on the other things they care for in life (and anime) where sexual thoughts don't constantly cross their mind unless it is shoved in their face, which they don't have to appreciate. And most importantly that you don't just agree to these things on paper but that you incorporate the knowledge that other people with different but equally valid approaches to sexuality and ecchi exist, in all of your posts. If you can't do that, let me know so I can join the legions of people who have given up on ever getting through your thick skull and leave you to circlejerking with your buddies because they're the only ones not tired of your mindset (obviously, since they share it to some degree). But you're not convincing anyone, not changing anyone's mind with your current, one-sided way of seeing things. You just draw out people who already think like you, and alienate everyone else. I respect you because you don't judge anyone for what they like, but if you keep judging people for what they don't like or criticize, it strongly diminishes that respect. |
AlcoholicideAug 21, 2017 9:22 AM
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LICK_IT_GOOD said: Shicchi said: I just can't take anime with many ecchi/fanservice stuff seriously. Simple. well animes that have much ecchi/fanservice stuff are mostly comedies and they dont need to be taken 100% seriously Yeah, that's why I hate it if anime with no ecchi tag has unnecessary fanservice/cliches. I would never pick up anime with ecchi genre in the first place (unless that anime has some other amazing thing to offer) |
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Pullman said: would like to just also point out Mamster has another some what standard. He has said before he doesn't consider people who like DXD as ecchi fans because it is mainstream.And the funny thing about is that even you have standards for sexual fan service, if it becomes too pornographic, too explicit, you don't like it anymore as I recently found out. or do you not hold that stupid belief anymore @EcchiKingMamster ? |
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Shicchi said: LICK_IT_GOOD said: well animes that have much ecchi/fanservice stuff are mostly comedies and they dont need to be taken 100% seriously Yeah, that's why I hate it if anime with no ecchi tag has unnecessary fanservice/cliches. I would never pick up anime with ecchi genre in the first place (unless that anime has some other amazing thing to offer) Do you not like comedies at all or why would you never pick up an anime with the ecchi tag even if it is clearly not serious? Even I found some comedy-oriented ecchi shows to be hilarious, like HenSemi or Shimoneta or Golden Boy. Not liking the combination of serious + ecchi doesn't mean you have to avoid the more comedic titles of the genre as well. |
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Deknijff said: Pullman said: would like to just also point out Mamster has another some what standard. He has said before he doesn't consider people who like DXD as ecchi fans because it is mainstream.And the funny thing about is that even you have standards for sexual fan service, if it becomes too pornographic, too explicit, you don't like it anymore as I recently found out. or do you not hold that stupid belief anymore @EcchiKingMamster ? what? no i didn't.. at least not in that way.. im just saying that i feel its an anime that you can like w/o caring about the ecchi, like the monogatari series, no game no life or prison school @Pullman omg... ONCE AGAIN.. i don't necessarily "disagree" with you... and for the most part theres nothing you say that i care to "refute" why? because you're not the type of person who irks me idk how much of an ecchi fan you are, but thats not relevant.. the fact is you generally come off as respectful towards people who are different from you. i know you for example like fujobait, idk if thats cause you're bi or w/e, but you definitely have to deal with people shit talking those kinds of anime endlessly, "you're a faggot for watching this" etc, so i can sympathize with your occasional hostility... well if you haven't noticed.. i tend only to "go off" on those that i feel are being at least somewhat rude or maybe just haven't heard a side like mine, or like i said.. seem to fit the shame category im most interested in flushing out the people who DO fit what im saying.. because i know they are there, as i've given examples.. its as simple as that, and im using MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE as justification. im just speaking in the way i've grown to see things based on what i've seen from others and myself.. if im wrong about things, well sorry, but im no more bias than anyone else you don't have to act like i think im some kind of "expert".. i just use a bunch of different cases that i see as possible evidence to reach my conclusions, just like everyone else does, i can tell you do the same thing, its not really possible to avoid i've never said anything im saying is absolute, but yea, i do admit i can come off that way.. but don't we all come off the wrong way sometimes? how do i know whos trolling and whos not? how do i know whos hoenst and whos not? how do i know whos ashamed and whos not? what better can i do than use what i see as evidence to form conclusions? its not like im going to be able to talk to EVERYONE that i personally don't believe, its not like EVERYONE fits what the type of people im talking about is going to message me.. sometimes im just gonna have to dismiss people as "well maybe this their issue", just like people do with me, but i understand that i could be wrong so please.. dont put words in my mouth.. oh and lastly.. yeah, i don't like hentai... at least the anime.. but i don't act as though theres something wrong with hentai, i don't act as though theres something wrong with people liking hentai, and i don't act like its a waste or time for the industry or w/e. i just don't watch it, its that simple yea ive jokingly said hentai sucks, but i don't care AT ALL that its there |
EcchiGodMamsterAug 21, 2017 10:19 AM
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EcchiKingMamster said: i've never said anything im saying is absolute, but yea, i do admit i can come off that way.. but don't we all come off the wrong way sometimes? "Sometimes" Please. Also your whole "I'm the heroic, brave figure of a movement to save anime and fight social oppression" long and nonsensical rant was... wtf, mate Oo. You need to take your chill pills. Generally speaking, it's getting extremely hard to read and make sense of your posts as you're obviously too worked up for your own good. Pullman pretty much said it all. Stop being so anal about that topic for two seconds and READ. @Yudina Really, you nailed it. I like when things have a purpose in my entertainment. I doesn't always end up enjoying the results and I can do without it, but thematic consistency, symbolism and that kind of things are entertaining to me. |
DeathkoAug 21, 2017 9:54 AM
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EcchiKingMamster said: eh but last we talked about DXD I remember you saying you don't consider people who like it as ecchi fans because it is the mainstream generic answer. Deknijff said: what?would like to just also point out Mamster has another some what standard. He has said before he doesn't consider people who like DXD as ecchi fans because it is mainstream. or do you not hold that stupid belief anymore @EcchiKingMamster ? no i didn't.. at least not in that way.. I'm just saying that i feel its an anime that you can like w/o caring about the ecchi, like the monogatari series I remember you even saying it to @Manaban if I'm not mistaken of who you talked to other than me |
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Deknijff said: eh but last we talked about DXD I remember you saying you don't consider people who like it as ecchi fans because it is the mainstream generic answer. I remember you even saying it to @Manaban if I'm not mistaken of who you talked to other than me i'd need to see that again, cause i definitely didn't mean it exactly that way @Clebardman yes and your constant chasing me around to let me know how much more mature you are than me is much better, isn't it? you have a complex of your own, and its no less annoying for me than mine is for you. the difference here though is that mine is always a response and yours is an attack |
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EcchiKingMamster said: well if you don't mean it like that then its all good Deknijff said: i'd need to see that again, cause i definitely didn't mean it exactly that wayeh but last we talked about DXD I remember you saying you don't consider people who like it as ecchi fans because it is the mainstream generic answer. I remember you even saying it to @Manaban if I'm not mistaken of who you talked to other than me depending on your true meaning of course though |
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Deknijff said: EcchiKingMamster said: well if you don't mean it like that then its all good i'd need to see that again, cause i definitely didn't mean it exactly that way depending on your true meaning of course though yea like i said.. if i feel you can love a show and not give a shit about the fanservice, then i personally find it less interesting to see in someones list as far as fasnservice goes |
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| @EcchiKingMamster i dunno man, looking at what you said here and what you said there: EcchiKingMamster said: It's definitely DxD that irks me the most lol A TRUE ecchi fan adds anime that throws in ecchi for the sake of throwing in ecchi and when you throw it together with what you say here: EcchiKingMamster said: yea like i said.. if i feel you can love a show and not give a shit about the fanservice, then i personally find it less interesting to see in someones list as far as fasnservice goes so it does kind of come across that way if i can be honest with you man |
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Pullman said: Shicchi said: Yeah, that's why I hate it if anime with no ecchi tag has unnecessary fanservice/cliches. I would never pick up anime with ecchi genre in the first place (unless that anime has some other amazing thing to offer) Do you not like comedies at all or why would you never pick up an anime with the ecchi tag even if it is clearly not serious? Even I found some comedy-oriented ecchi shows to be hilarious, like HenSemi or Shimoneta or Golden Boy. Not liking the combination of serious + ecchi doesn't mean you have to avoid the more comedic titles of the genre as well. Actually, I'm a very picky watcher, ecchi is not the only genre I avoid. Well, rather than avoiding certain genres, I ONLY watch anime that fits my exact preferences. Unless that anime is insanely popular or people talk about it a lot, then I might watch it. Also, I found ecchi based/perverted comedy are unfunny (unless it's Gintama lmao). If I think about it, Gintama is the only comedy anime I still follow. I've watched Beelzebub and DanshiKousei as well. That's pretty much all comedy anime I've ever watched (iirc). But it was years ago, when I still pretty open to any genre. Right now though, I'm like 1000x times more picky. |
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Manaban said: @EcchiKingMamster i dunno man, looking at what you said here and what you said there: EcchiKingMamster said: It's definitely DxD that irks me the most lol A TRUE ecchi fan adds anime that throws in ecchi for the sake of throwing in ecchi and when you throw it together with what you say here: EcchiKingMamster said: yea like i said.. if i feel you can love a show and not give a shit about the fanservice, then i personally find it less interesting to see in someones list as far as fasnservice goes so it does kind of come across that way if i can be honest with you man ok, you're right, i did say it in a way that sounded like that.. but i meant it in the latter way lol |
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| @Shicchi I would just like to point out ecchi isn't a true genre but just something the west uses with how you speak I'm getting this vibe you are unaware of this. Sorry if I'm mistaken |
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| @Manaban @Deknijff it seems as though people just expect EVERY anime with ass and titties in it to have the tag, when its more given BY THE WEST to anime in which thats a focus anyway, the reason i mentioned the fact that DxD is mainstream is because its a "gateway" anime.. i feel as though if you really love ecchi you'll look for more obscure tittles instead of only watching what everyone talks about, at least thats how i personally look at real fandom |
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EcchiKingMamster said: well one can be a fan in depending degrees@Manaban @Deknijff it seems as though people just expect EVERY ANIME with ass and titties in it to have the tag anyway, the reason i mentioned the fact that DxD is mainstream is because its a "gateway" anime.. i feel as though if you really love ecchi you'll look for more obscure tittles instead of only watching what everyone talks about, at least thats how i personally look at real fandom feels like saying someone who only watches one demographic or genre isn't a true anime fan also some people can be major fans yet only watch a few titles from the genre because everything else feels like garbage compared to what they deem best from the genre. After all not all ecchi are exactly the same |
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| @EcchiKingMamster Well I've seen people who I consider to be nothing short of perfectly legit ecchi fans have not a lot of ecchi in their favorites and haven't seen more obscure ecchi stuff like Magipoka or Umishou either and are only really familiar with the mainstream stuff I don't really mind much, I just kind of think an ecchi fan is somebody who enjoys ecchistuffs and that's really all it takes to be legit |
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| Just so you know the recent anti fan service post was a joke thread. |
Deknijff said: @Shicchi I would just like to point out ecchi isn't a true genre but just something the west uses with how you speak I'm getting this vibe you are unaware of this. Sorry if I'm mistaken oh, it's ok lol (not an english speaker, misunderstanding happens all the time lol) but ecchi IS a genre here on MAL right? the ecchi people are talking about in this thread is: ecchi=perverted stuff/fanservice/panty shot/boobies etc? am I undertand things correctly? So yeah, I much prefer ecchi stuff stays in ecchi anime :> but I don't mind if it's only once in a while (I mean, I don't mind a Mikasa or Levi showering scene or something) or the stuff in Boku no Hero so far is fine (Midnight boobies, Momo booty shots, Bakugou and Deku's sexy back shots, etc) |
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