| Well, what do you think of this story ladies and gentlemen? 3/10/2008 Kentucky Representative Tim Couch filed a bill this week to make anonymous posting online illegal. The bill would require anyone who contributes to a website to register their real name, address and e-mail address with that site. Their full name would be used anytime a comment is posted. If the bill becomes law, the website operator would have to pay if someone was allowed to post anonymously on their site. The fine would be five-hundred dollars for a first offense and one-thousand dollars for each offense after that. Representative Couch says he filed the bill in hopes of cutting down on online bullying. He says that has especially been a problem in his Eastern Kentucky district. Action News 36 asked people what they thought about the bill. Some said they felt it was a violation of First Amendment rights. Others say it is a good tool toward eliminating online harassment. Represntative Couch says enforcing this bill if it became law would be a challenge. http://www.wtvq.com/content/midatlantic/tvq/video.apx.-content-articles-TVQ-2008-03-05-0011.html I can't believe that some politicians would go so far. So, if this thing happens...looks like we'll have to start using our real names instead of our user names or MAL will have to start paying some pretty hefty fines for incompliance. Personally I find this kind of legislation offensive. If someone is being bullied online...then they should get offline...or learn to be more "anonymous" than they are. And that's on forums such as ours an any others. I can't fathom people getting so upset over some words randomly posted by someone else in some random location...taking those words seriously is the fault of the reader and not the writer. Come one..forums are pretty much meant to start controversies and flame wars...though I suppose too much flaming isn't constructive...but that's besides the point. What are everyone elses opinions here on this? |
| I laugh. Anonymous won't be defeated. |
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| It'll never fly, and it shouldn't. I'm all for making people more responsible for what they do online, but this "solution" is just absurd. I mean, how are you even supposed to verify that a person is using their real name and address? It's impossible. |
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| I'm pretty sure people on the internet would find ways to get around this stuff. Anonymous can be pretty resourcefull :P Useless bill/law/whatever IMO... |
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| HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm not worried. Anonymous will just buy servers in Tahiti (or somewhere) where the bill can't touch them. Because if this thing passes, they can only enforce it in America :D And the interwebs extends much further than that. (This representative is a moron!) |
| We all know it's useless...and probably won't pass because of it's absuridty and drastic lack of enforcement. But just the thought of it...the idea that politicians want to try and control even this area is quite offensive. Just wait until they tax the internet...and then try to clamp down on what's said due to some pathetic PC reason they come up with. We all know anonymous will prevail, anonymous always does...but this attack against us is still pathetic...it's like a dying soldier trying to get one last strike at the enemy that struck him down. |
| actually it's not hard to track down the ISP, location, and information of any individual anonymous poster. doing it for the entire internet though (especially for domains and servers not in the US) is not gonna happen. |
| Tim Couch is certainly a troll along with the thousands of trolls he'll have to higher in order to enforce this garbage =P. I demand IP blockers and other digital masking devices for my posting freedom enjoyment ^^. |
| The First Amendment, as far as I recall, does not guarantee a person the right to speak anonymously. Only the right to say whatever he or she wishes (though limited in some cases for the general good). The curious thing about the bill is the fact that even the representative who proprosed it said it would be hard to enforce...why propose something that's unenforcable (except to get votes in the next election without actually getting anything accomplished)? Also...is that Tim Couch, the same Tim Couch who was drafted to play QB for the Cleveland Browns sometime in the late 90s? |
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jbreten said: The First Amendment, as far as I recall, does not guarantee a person the right to speak anonymously. Only the right to say whatever he or she wishes (though limited in some cases for the general good). The curious thing about the bill is the fact that even the representative who proprosed it said it would be hard to enforce...why propose something that's unenforcable (except to get votes in the next election without actually getting anything accomplished)? Also...is that Tim Couch, the same Tim Couch who was drafted to play QB for the Cleveland Browns sometime in the late 90s? No, http://www.lrc.ky.gov/legislator/H090.htm |
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| Wow. I'm kind of at a loss as to the point of his putting in effort towards something that would never pass. If someone actually cares what some 47 year old guy still living in his mom's basement has to say about them over the internet, they should probably get offline. And if you need to concentrate on bullying, focus about stuff that occurs in the real world, not the cyber one. |
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| what ever happened to putting urself out of harms way on the internet by not giving out personal information... like your full name? |
| Only thing i have to say about this: Try us and fail. |
Frequencity said: what ever happened to putting urself out of harms way on the internet by not giving out personal information... like your full name? Apparently Mr. Tim Couch doesn't know true internet etiquette and protective measures...and his IT consultants are complete morons to advise him about this..unless of course it's all about "looking good" and getting votes...in which case of course it's a great plan...but a meaningless gesture. Little boys and girls, here are the rules of the internet: 1. DO NOT GIVE OUT PERSONAL INFORMATION OF ANY KIND! 2. WHAT'S SAID ON THE INTERNET IS ALL GARBAGE AND WORTHLESS NONSNESE! 3. TO BELIEVE THE OPINION OF SOMEONE ELSE ABOUT YOU IS PATHETIC!! 4. A BUNCH OF OTHER STUPID COMMON-SENSE RULES THAT WILL RUIN MY BRAINS FUNCTIONING POWER IF I HAVE TO LIST THEM! |
| lol, fuck that noise |
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Shiranai said: I laugh. Anonymous won't be defeated. l0l0l Shira wins. So should I just change my screen name to Ryan right now? Will Xinil be fined if I keep calling myself Xjellocross? Oh dear, I fear this bill. /sarcasm lolwut screw that. This thing isn't taking off the ground, online bullying isn't that big a deal. The internets may be serious business but only little 10 year olds would let that get to them. Anayu said: Frequencity said: what ever happened to putting urself out of harms way on the internet by not giving out personal information... like your full name? Apparently Mr. Tim Couch doesn't know true internet etiquette and protective measures...and his IT consultants are complete morons to advise him about this..unless of course it's all about "looking good" and getting votes...in which case of course it's a great plan...but a meaningless gesture. Little boys and girls, here are the rules of the internet: 1. DO NOT GIVE OUT PERSONAL INFORMATION OF ANY KIND! 2. WHAT'S SAID ON THE INTERNET IS ALL GARBAGE AND WORTHLESS NONSNESE! 3. TO BELIEVE THE OPINION OF SOMEONE ELSE ABOUT YOU IS PATHETIC!! 4. A BUNCH OF OTHER STUPID COMMON-SENSE RULES THAT WILL RUIN MY BRAINS FUNCTIONING POWER IF I HAVE TO LIST THEM! Those rules are lies, here are the real ones: http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?action=view&t=pic&id=1431&pid=19701 |
Xjellocross said: lolwut screw that. This thing isn't taking off the ground, online bullying isn't that big a deal. The internets may be serious business but only little 10 year olds would let that get to them. Make me think though. My first thought would be to make internet like, 16+, but on the other hand i was on the net when i was 10 and never had any trouble. Pretty much nobody of that age had trouble back then. I guess people changed. |
Xjellocross said: Those rules are lies, here are the real ones: http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?action=view&t=pic&id=1431&pid=19701 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=9799&show=20#msg421550 for the ones who can't read. repeat them 9001 times. |
Chavez said: Xjellocross said: lolwut screw that. This thing isn't taking off the ground, online bullying isn't that big a deal. The internets may be serious business but only little 10 year olds would let that get to them. Make me think though. My first thought would be to make internet like, 16+, but on the other hand i was on the net when i was 10 and never had any trouble. Pretty much nobody of that age had trouble back then. I guess people changed. I don't think people have changed, I just think more fucking retarded people have decided the internet is a good output for their stupidity. I've been using the internet since I was 9, so about 7 years now. There have always been trolls and flamers since then just I think they've increased as of late. |
Xjellocross said: Shiranai said: I laugh. Anonymous won't be defeated. l0l0l Shira wins. So should I just change my screen name to Ryan right now? Will Xinil be fined if I keep calling myself Xjellocross? Oh dear, I fear this bill. /sarcasm lolwut screw that. This thing isn't taking off the ground, online bullying isn't that big a deal. The internets may be serious business but only little 10 year olds would let that get to them. Anayu said: Frequencity said: what ever happened to putting urself out of harms way on the internet by not giving out personal information... like your full name? Apparently Mr. Tim Couch doesn't know true internet etiquette and protective measures...and his IT consultants are complete morons to advise him about this..unless of course it's all about "looking good" and getting votes...in which case of course it's a great plan...but a meaningless gesture. Little boys and girls, here are the rules of the internet: 1. DO NOT GIVE OUT PERSONAL INFORMATION OF ANY KIND! 2. WHAT'S SAID ON THE INTERNET IS ALL GARBAGE AND WORTHLESS NONSNESE! 3. TO BELIEVE THE OPINION OF SOMEONE ELSE ABOUT YOU IS PATHETIC!! 4. A BUNCH OF OTHER STUPID COMMON-SENSE RULES THAT WILL RUIN MY BRAINS FUNCTIONING POWER IF I HAVE TO LIST THEM! Those rules are lies, here are the real ones: http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?action=view&t=pic&id=1431&pid=19701 I stand corrected =P. Just a shame people whine too much instead of ignoring the crap and flames. Are people jerks...sure absolutely...you just have to learn to ignore them instead of acknowledging them >.>...not so hard. btw...if you don't know what /b/ is shame on you! It's a great place to lose your mind...that's for sure =P. /c/ /w/ and /u/ are my favorites.../a/ is ok as well as /e/ but /b/ is for the hardened ones of the mind ~.^. |
| Wow fascist rules are really in fashion nowadays aren't they? But yeah regulations and limitations to any kind of media(like the internet, television or even books for that point) are always to steer, regulate or keep the people in "order". Apparently "normal" people just aren't allowed to be free to go and say what they want(even within the "normal" limits). I guess people lost sight of the meaning of freedom... |
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Shiranai said: I laugh. Anonymous won't be defeated. Basically. This bill is full of fail. |
| The Internet pedos are going to have a field day with this. |
| I think I'll legally change my name to "Anonymous" and then file a multmillion-dollar discrimination lawsuit. It's all easy street from there, baby! |
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| Not being able to post anonymously? Thats just sooo stupid, I can't believe that this politician is that uninformed! What's up with all the freaking out because of online bullying, I often see commercials about helplines for people who get bullied on the net and such things too. I mean, bullying on the net is just so much easier to handle than real bullying. You can easily stop reading a post if you find it offensive, no one is forcing you to read it. An easier way to handle this is handing out fliers about how to use the back button on you browser and how to use an ignore list. Net bullying is just so easy to avoid that the only chance you SHOULD have to get bullied there is if you want to be bullied. ( or if the bully is very good at hacking, in which case that law wouldn't help either way ) This is so full of fail that I can't think that he is seriously considering this, it must be some sort of publicity stunt! Or he is just really stupid. One more thing, if this law actually would be put to use it would make me get bullied IRL, since people I know would be able to figure out who owns this profile and be able to see what I have watched. They actually already are doing it a little, but since they have no proof it's easy to make them unsure of themselves and stop. BTW, does anyone know this politicians e-mail or something? I'm really interested in having a little chat with him, LOL |
DarkBlueMar 10, 2008 4:59 PM
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DarkBlue said: Not being able to post anonymously? Thats just sooo stupid, I can't believe that this politician is that uninformed! What's up with all the freaking out because of online bullying, I often see commercials about helplines for people who get bullied on the net and such things too. I mean, bullying on the net is just so much easier to handle than real bullying. You can easily stop reading a post if you find it offensive, no one is forcing you to read it. An easier way to handle this is handing out fliers about how to use the back button on you browser and how to use an ignore list. Net bullying is just so easy to avoid that the only chance you SHOULD have to get bullied there is if you want to be bullied. ( or if the bully is very good at hacking, in which case that law wouldn't help either way ) This is so full of fail that I can't think that he is seriously considering this, it must be some sort of publicity stunt! Or he is just really stupid. One more thing, if this law actually would be put to use it would make me get bullied IRL, since people I know would be able to figure out who owns this profile and be able to see what I have watched. They actually already are doing it a little, but since they have no proof it's easy to make them unsure of themselves and stop. BTW, does anyone know this politicians e-mail or something? I'm really interested in having a little chat with him, LOL Here you go, take your pick: Mailing Address PO Box 710 Hyden KY 41749 Frankfort Address(es) 702 Capitol Ave Annex Room 432B Frankfort KY 40601 Phone Number(s) Home: (606) 672-8998 Home: (606) 672-8998 (fax) Annex: (502) 564-8100 Ext. 632 Email Address(es) http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Mailform/H090.htm I think what they mean by "Internet Bullying" is a bunch of losers gossping online about someone. In most cases this gossip is done behind the back of the target and eventually gets back to him/her as a rumor with no beginning. They'll use this bill to focus on the start of such rumors...or something dumb like that. |
| This will never survive a legal challenge. |
| If this happened, I would be V& within 2 days |
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| We are Legion |
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LAH-Azrael said: We are Legion We do not forgive |
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Mizore said: LAH-Azrael said: We are Legion We do not forgive We do not forget |
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| that bill will just sit there. forever. its what congress does. |
CanadaAotS said: Mizore said: LAH-Azrael said: We are Legion We do not forgive We do not forget  |
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| FUCKING NARUTO i had a comment but EUGH; YOU ARE NOT KINDA COOL. |
| So basically what i'm reading is the government vs anon anon is an uncaring monster, it's obvious who will end up on top |
CanadaAotS said: Mizore said: LAH-Azrael said: We are Legion We do not forgive We do not forget EXPECT CAKE ViM said: So basically what i'm reading is the government vs anon anon is a senseless, uncaring monster, it's obvious who will end up on top fixt |
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windy said: FUCKING NARUTO i had a comment but EUGH; YOU ARE NOT KINDA COOL. Lulz channers ftw |
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Mizore said: CanadaAotS said: Mizore said: LAH-Azrael said: We are Legion We do not forgive We do not forget EXPECT CAKE And cookies |
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Lofoc said: Mizore said: CanadaAotS said: Mizore said: LAH-Azrael said: We are Legion We do not forgive We do not forget EXPECT CAKE And cookies and lolis |
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| 'hail lolis' |
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| Indeed |
| It's just pointless to try to make people use their real names to access the internet.. There would be sudden teenage disappearances and the government would get blamed for lots. |
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