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Nov 4, 2016 10:13 PM

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annmaryjay said:
a relationship that gives no physical tenderness and pleasure.


What do you consider "physical tenderness"? Is that restricted purely to sex? I mean, many people who identify as asexual are fine with things like kissing, hugging, and even sleeping together if the relationship progresses far enough. Is that physical closeness enough, or is that the sort of thing you don't find adequate?

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why are people asexual?
fear of having sex?
bad experience?
or not feeling it through normal means and are afraid to explain it?
don't get any dopamines through it?

I mean these dopamines are great.


I'm sure many start to identify as asexual due to an abusive or unpleasant past, and some have an "inherent" fear of it. A lot of the problem, I think, is more that it's not something we find pleasurable, so the answer to your last question would be yes, in general I can't imagine we would.

For me, it started out as complete disinterest (talking about after puberty; of course almost no one has interest in sex pre-puberty), but over time it has indeed become an aversion. The thought of it makes me feel queasy, though that's very likely due to another factor; I don't think asexuals must necessarily have an aversion, just a lack of interest.
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Nov 5, 2016 2:58 AM

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Actually, this central idea is a pivot to his entire philosophy and not just this particular essay. Namely the idea of 'Will to life' and the role that sexual intercourse plays in it. Chill out.


Something that isn't yet in existence can't influence someone to do something without their knowledge (the production of the existence would have to be something with the person's intent, though it could be indirectly, as in knowing the possibility of pregnancy but still deciding to have sex). Naturally, sexual intercourse is the only way to pass on one's genes in any practical fashion, but that doesn't mean it has to be the root or even an important aspect of a relationship. I would go so far as to say it's entirely unnecessary within the relationship itself. Asexuals are "abnormal," which is probably the primary reason why it seems unimaginable to so many. I don't disrespect you for your view, but I hope you can understand that there are many different views out there, this being one of them, and that this is a legitimate viewpoint.

And yes, I suppose I did misunderstand the "lmao;"I took it to mean you thought it was a good source and were irritated by my insistence on the matter. An annoying number of people use variations of that to "imply" irritation or anger. My apologies.


The quality to be attracted, and to attract, inheres in us because of the drive to reproduce. The various forms in which in manifests do not belie the roots. And those roots are what Schopenhauer is pointing at. Take away the drive to reproduce, make this species self-destructive, and this quality will lose its meaning and soon disappear.

I never deemed your idea of a relationship invalid, only incomplete. By that very reasoning, I deem homosexual relationships incomplete too. I do not call it a 'deviation from the norms'. These are just peripheral applications of the same force. To put it more honestly, I have a picture of a complete relationship and the picture that you present me does not completely overlap with it. Whether your picture is purer, or more than mine, is something visible only from your perspective and I don't have that. From mine, it's only incomplete. Sex, in my view, is that last magical building block without which the building may look complete, but isn't yet finished.
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No, never in a million years.
But wait, is being asexual something you can choose? :O
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No, never in a million years.
But wait, is being asexual something you can choose? :O


I'm pretty sure its not a choice being the fact that you obviously can't turn off your sexual desire.
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VagueClarity said:
annmaryjay said:
a relationship that gives no physical tenderness and pleasure.


What do you consider "physical tenderness"? Is that restricted purely to sex? I mean, many people who identify as asexual are fine with things like kissing, hugging, and even sleeping together if the relationship progresses far enough. Is that physical closeness enough, or is that the sort of thing you don't find adequate?


I split it in two because I meant other things than sex, just as you describe there, by tenderness. I have only experienced the lack of both, tenderness and pleasure, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be satisfied in a relationship that lacks either one. And I don't feel like getting a hug and kiss or sex every now and then would be an impossible task but I still have no other experiences than that being an impossible task for men. I don't want or mean to generalize although it sounds like it.
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Nov 5, 2016 12:24 PM

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it might sound fine in theory, but doubt it would actually work out.
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I honestly think it can work out, depending on the person of course. I'm an asexual myself and I had some relationships fail because I was uninterested in having any kind of sexual relationship but I know many asexual's who are willing to sleep with their partner so that both people in the relationship are happy. Again, it depends on the person though.
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never ever. i'm way too much of a sexual person. seriously.

this question reminds me of this one online test though. about the 5 love languages or something. it's interesting because you can see how you personally experience and give love. physical touch, quality time, acts of service, words of affirmation and receiving gifts. i'm super duper high on physical touch so i doubt i'd ever be able to be with somebody who couldn't love me in the same way. my boyfriend got super high results on physical touch as well and we are similar in the other aspects so i think that's why we work really well together. i think that if you experience love through something else for example - acts of service - you might not mind not being physically touched. it might seem pretentious but i think there is a bit of truth behind it. just curious whether anybody else has heard of this test?
Nov 6, 2016 2:18 PM

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No way, there's more to a relationship than sex, but it's definitely not something I want to give up.
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I guess I already posted here, but anyways...
In a spontaneous relationship, whatever I guess, but in a serious one, most likely no... because I don't think it would be so stable without sex. I don't think sex it's not important thing in a relationship of course, but still, a crucial one. (Even though I have never been in a real relationship, I just feel like I would or should be that way)
But I don't judge asexual people, it's not their fault afterall, I kinda appreciate them to be honest.

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why are people asexual?
Because they were born that way...?
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Frag- said:

hertittys said:
why are people asexual?
Because they were born that way...?


well... people usually experience something before the come to conclusion
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Because they were born that way...?


well... people usually experience something before the come to conclusion
Sometimes, but it doesn't mean they need to have sex to realize that.
When I was younger I knew I liked girls and kinda knew I liked guys, even though I never had experience with them.
Many people never had a experience, but they always knew they were, assexual or not.
The case of assexuals is usually in puberty.
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hertittys said:


well... people usually experience something before the come to conclusion
Sometimes, but it doesn't mean they need to have sex to realize that.
When I was younger I knew I liked girls and kinda knew I liked guys, even though I never had experience with them.
Many people never had a experience, but they always knew they were.
The case of assexuals is usually in puberty.



I did not imply that asexual people had to have sex/intercourse beforehand
More like what made them asexual from non-asexuals

personally I think the lack of dopamine is the strongest contender.
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chuuzenjis said:
just curious whether anybody else has heard of this test?


I have. My "love language" is quality time. Playing board games will always trump complimenting me, or buying something for me, or doing me favors. That said, I am pretty big on physical touch (I'll take any hugs I can get, haha).

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hertittys said:


well... people usually experience something before the come to conclusion
Sometimes, but it doesn't mean they need to have sex to realize that.
Many people never had a experience, but they always knew they were, assexual or not.
The case of assexuals is usually in puberty.


I agree. It's either just something that the person is or it's caused by trauma. I honestly am not sure which one I fall into; I wasn't traumatized in any literal sense (no abuse or anything of that sort), but some things in my life have changed the way I view sex at a fundamental level.

I'm not sure what you meant by the last sentence, but I guess you were saying that asexuals generally realize that they are asexual during or immediately after puberty? I guess it depends on the atmosphere. I didn't realize it until about 4 years after puberty, simply because I had no idea it was a thing. Shortly after that I realized why I identified as asexual, and it was actually something I'd heard of, though only in passing, so now it makes more sense to me.
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hertittys said:
Frag- said:
Sometimes, but it doesn't mean they need to have sex to realize that.
When I was younger I knew I liked girls and kinda knew I liked guys, even though I never had experience with them.
Many people never had a experience, but they always knew they were.
The case of assexuals is usually in puberty.



I did not imply that asexual people had to have sex/intercourse beforehand
More like what made them asexual from non-asexuals

personally I think the lack of dopamine is the strongest contender.
It's still uncertain the "cause" of homosexuality.

I don't know about asexuality. But whatever the reason is, I'm pretty sure it's not a choise though.
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hertittys said:
Frag- said:
Sometimes, but it doesn't mean they need to have sex to realize that.
When I was younger I knew I liked girls and kinda knew I liked guys, even though I never had experience with them.
Many people never had a experience, but they always knew they were.
The case of assexuals is usually in puberty.



I did not imply that asexual people had to have sex/intercourse beforehand
More like what made them asexual from non-asexuals

personally I think the lack of dopamine is the strongest contender.


I'm sure hormone levels play a role in it. Mentality regarding sex could also be a part. It would be interesting to see a study done regarding hormone levels in people identifying as asexual versus "non-asexuals." I don't think it would make much difference, though; I, for one, am happy being asexual (though going more into detail with that would open a whole 'nother can of worms), and I suspect most others feel the same way—a study done regarding this would be pointless, I suppose, because not much would come of it unless the "normals" wanted to "help" us.
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Frag- said:
hertittys said:



I did not imply that asexual people had to have sex/intercourse beforehand
More like what made them asexual from non-asexuals

personally I think the lack of dopamine is the strongest contender.
It's still uncertain the "cause" of homosexuality.

I don't know about asexuality. But whatever the reason is, I'm pretty sure it's not a choise though.


well if I would ask you the reason for being homosexual today

Is it going swimming with the cooler older cousin back in the days?
Is it having naive bishounen classmate as an best friend?
Is it stumbling upon discarded pornmags directed to homosexuals?

Or is it having more fascination about the male body/character rather then female?


Just asking what made you realize your sexuality?
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hertittys said:
Frag- said:
It's still uncertain the "cause" of homosexuality.

I don't know about asexuality. But whatever the reason is, I'm pretty sure it's not a choise though.


well if I would ask you the reason for being homosexual today

Is it going swimming with the cooler older cousin back in the days?
Is it having naive bishounen classmate as an best friend?
Is it stumbling upon discarded pornmags directed to homosexuals?

Or is it having more fascination about the male body/character rather then female?


Just asking what made you realize your sexuality?
It's the second option. It doesn't matter if you are being ironic of even ignorant, but, why you asked that anyways?
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chuuzenjis said:
just curious whether anybody else has heard of this test?


I have. My "love language" is quality time. Playing board games will always trump complimenting me, or buying something for me, or doing me favors. That said, I am pretty big on physical touch (I'll take any hugs I can get, haha).


same for me tbh. i got the same points for quality time and physical touch. so both are extremely important to me while receiving gifts is my least favorite love language.
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Frag- said:
hertittys said:


well if I would ask you the reason for being homosexual today

Is it going swimming with the cooler older cousin back in the days?
Is it having naive bishounen classmate as an best friend?
Is it stumbling upon discarded pornmags directed to homosexuals?

Or is it having more fascination about the male body/character rather then female?


Just asking what made you realize your sexuality?
It's the second option. It doesn't matter if you are being ironic of even ignorant, but, why you asked that anyways?


Well I asked to know... and this was the perfect moment to get information, to which I didn't know.

So thank you calling it ironic or ignorant, when I'm just curious :)
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hertittys said:
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It's the second option. It doesn't matter if you are being ironic of even ignorant, but, why you asked that anyways?


Well I asked to know... and this was the perfect moment to get information, to which I didn't know.

So thank you calling it ironic or ignorant, when I'm just curious :)
Stereotypes have nothing to do with homosexuality (or even gender identity).
I just said the reason why people feel attracted to a certain sex it's still unknown, but it probably has something to do with genetics/hormones.

I don't know if you were being ironic or if you didn't know, but I guess it's the first option.
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Frag- said:
hertittys said:


Well I asked to know... and this was the perfect moment to get information, to which I didn't know.

So thank you calling it ironic or ignorant, when I'm just curious :)
Stereotypes have nothing to do with homosexuality (or even gender identity).
I just said the reason why people feel attracted to a certain sex it's still unknown, but it probably has something to do with genetics/hormones.

I don't know if you were being ironic or if you didn't know, but I guess it's the first option.



Well what was the spark for it? how did it begin? for what reason?

that's why I listed up these scenarios because I doubt people would tell them straight forward


i'm curious so I ask question, they might be biased since I'm not sure how to word them right and I haven't experienced these situations for myself
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hertittys said:
Frag- said:
Stereotypes have nothing to do with homosexuality (or even gender identity).
I just said the reason why people feel attracted to a certain sex it's still unknown, but it probably has something to do with genetics/hormones.

I don't know if you were being ironic or if you didn't know, but I guess it's the first option.



Well what was the spark for it? how did it begin? for what reason?

that's why I listed up these scenarios because I doubt people would tell them straight forward


i'm curious so I ask question, they might be biased since I'm not sure how to word them right and I haven't experienced these situations for myself
Yes, I'm pretty sure it's still uncertain why people have their sexuality, not "what happens" if you are one.

Yes, when did you find out you are straight anyways?

No dude, stereotypes have nothing to do with homosexuality, it's what you are attracted to.
You always need to have a experience before to realize you're straight? No.
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No.

If we're going to be in a relationship we're going to be doing some smashing.
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chuuzenjis said:
just curious whether anybody else has heard of this test?


I have. My "love language" is quality time. Playing board games will always trump complimenting me, or buying something for me, or doing me favors. That said, I am pretty big on physical touch (I'll take any hugs I can get, haha).

Frag- said:
Sometimes, but it doesn't mean they need to have sex to realize that.
Many people never had a experience, but they always knew they were, assexual or not.
The case of assexuals is usually in puberty.


I agree. It's either just something that the person is or it's caused by trauma. I honestly am not sure which one I fall into; I wasn't traumatized in any literal sense (no abuse or anything of that sort), but some things in my life have changed the way I view sex at a fundamental level.

I'm not sure what you meant by the last sentence, but I guess you were saying that asexuals generally realize that they are asexual during or immediately after puberty? I guess it depends on the atmosphere. I didn't realize it until about 4 years after puberty, simply because I had no idea it was a thing. Shortly after that I realized why I identified as asexual, and it was actually something I'd heard of, though only in passing, so now it makes more sense to me.
I don't know, maybe you didn't produce the hormones, or maybe it was related to your genetics or maybe even psychology if that's the case. Sorry If I misunderstood what you said :p
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I honestly think it can work out, depending on the person of course. I'm an asexual myself and I had some relationships fail because I was uninterested in having any kind of sexual relationship but I know many asexual's who are willing to sleep with their partner so that both people in the relationship are happy. Again, it depends on the person though.


That's a pretty heavy compromise ... I guess some people are meant to be alone (:
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Classic frigid or prudish girl, I guess. ! It seems that I have met a lot of asexual girls though, just about every girl on Earth is asexual at heart.
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Frag- said:
VagueClarity said:


I have. My "love language" is quality time. Playing board games will always trump complimenting me, or buying something for me, or doing me favors. That said, I am pretty big on physical touch (I'll take any hugs I can get, haha).



I agree. It's either just something that the person is or it's caused by trauma. I honestly am not sure which one I fall into; I wasn't traumatized in any literal sense (no abuse or anything of that sort), but some things in my life have changed the way I view sex at a fundamental level.

I'm not sure what you meant by the last sentence, but I guess you were saying that asexuals generally realize that they are asexual during or immediately after puberty? I guess it depends on the atmosphere. I didn't realize it until about 4 years after puberty, simply because I had no idea it was a thing. Shortly after that I realized why I identified as asexual, and it was actually something I'd heard of, though only in passing, so now it makes more sense to me.
I don't know, maybe you didn't produce the hormones, or maybe it was related to your genetics or maybe even psychology if that's the case. Sorry If I misunderstood what you said :p


Yeah, that was pretty much what I was saying. Either genetics/physiology/hormone production (all tie into the same thing), or some sort of trauma, physical (which would relate back to physiology, sort of) or emotional.
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Classic frigid or prudish girl, I guess. ! It seems that I have met a lot of asexual girls though, just about every girl on Earth is asexual at heart.


I kind of wish I was, would have endured a lot better all that lack of sex in relationships.
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Yea; since I am an asexual myself. :D

I wouldn't be with a sexual person tho. This just wouldn't work.
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It's not petty or "bad". Sex is one of the most fundamental human instincts. And while it may not be a need in the sense of survival, it's a need in most of us. The urge to reproduce, even if you don't want kids, is very strong.
I don't think I would date an asexual because sex is an important part of my relationships. You don't have to be "good", just open to improvement or trying new things.

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Yea; since I am an asexual myself. :D

I wouldn't be with a sexual person tho. This just wouldn't work.

^ This is also something I've noticed. It often goes both ways. A lot of asexuals wouldn't want to be with someone who was sexual.
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Sorry. I don't think I could date someone who is asexual since I am not asexual myself and I have a pretty active sex drive.
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It would really depend on the person themselves, and their personality. If they're asexual and an absolute chore to be around, then they can hit the fucking road. If they're asexual but their personality is something I can enjoy, then I could see myself sticking around.
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Speaking of which; it's a great challenge to be an asexual because it is so rare. The vast majority of the world is sexual. You're seen like an alien. Even though LGBT has issues; they're still somewhat popular and can make their voice be heard, they're well-represented in popular culture etc. while asexuals have little to none representation and therefore many people don't even believe asexualism actually exists. You can even see such posts in this thread.

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I could be in a relationship with someone who doesn't like the idea of sex, yeah. I don't really like bodies too much, either. Not having sex wouldn't be a big problem.

I couldn't be in one with someone who is legitimately asexual, though. Not having a working sex drive generally has other baggage associated.

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yea, seems like a easy choice. definitely won't be any cheating. and probably can learn to appreciate the person for who they are.

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Depends, there are the stupid as FUCK asexuals who think it is there right and business to make YOU and everyone around you feel bad about sexuality. They also think they have the same issues as homosexuals and transsexuals (you don't).

If she is that person? Don't bother.

If she is the asexual who is asexual but doesn't push her own onto others and accepts those for what they are, then yeah it's worth a shot.

I only say this because your current relationship seems to be a sinking ship and I would jump it if I were you.
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I couldn't do it. I mean it's okay if they just want to wait until a certain moment to take that step towards a more sexual relationship. That is understandable. But I could not date someone that would never be interested in that sexual aspect of a relationship at some point.
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Sex is not that important for me and I would label myself as a weird bisexual (more into men though, but I can fell for girls) and demisexual at the same time human being. So, if someone I love doesn't want to have sex, it's okay. It's not like you are not allowed to touch an asexual person at all. You can cuddle and hug this person or something.
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I am ace, so yeah. I'm in a relationship with someone else who is ace rn too, actually so rather than it being an 'if' situation I guess it's already something I'm doing.
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No, because no one is truly pure of heart in this sick evil world.
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asexual just means you're a scared virgin you can't admit it yet

edit: so basically would i date an anime fan? yes
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I certainly think that I could.

As far as I'm concerned, sex is not an important part of a relationship. I'm sure it's fun, but it's definitely something that you can live without.

I've gone 30 years without sex, so I'm quite certain that I can go the rest of my life without it. As long as I can still hold the person in my arms, and be romantic with them, that's enough for me.

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I don't really know what you mean by "be with" someone who's asexual. If she really is, asexual, it would mean that you can't romantically engage with her, so she may as well just be a really good friend.

That's kind of the point of romantic relationships. You have sex.


If you get along really well and can be there for each other, that's awesome and it sounds like it's a great friendship. However, if you're looking for something she isn't, then you'll end up in ruin. You'll grow to resent her or yourself because she can't meet your sexual needs. Or alternatively, she might feel bad and end up doing what she doesn't want to just to please you, in which case, she may grow to resent you or herself. Then you'd have to live with the thought that you made someone who didn't want to have sex with you, have sex with you out of guilt. That's a pretty scary thing.

I just don't think it's a good idea unless you can come to terms with her not being able to really be your girlfriend. And again, I'd stay away from wishful thinking that you might be okay with not having sex or that she might eventually realize that she does want to have sex. It may seem like a possibility at first, but it's founded on guesswork and leads to pretty much the worst possible outcomes.



Best of luck.


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I don't really know what you mean by "be with" someone who's asexual. If she really is, asexual, it would mean that you can't romantically engage with her, so she may as well just be a really good friend.

That's kind of the point of romantic relationships. You have sex.


Romance and sex are not one in the same. Sex has absolutely nothing to do with romance.

Romantic attraction and sexual attraction are two completely separate things. Many asexual people still have romantic attraction to someone.

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Yeah, sex isn't a huge requirement for me.







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It certainly wouldn't be a dealbreaker. I haven't really met/heard of an asexual heteromantic man though.




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Hm, I don't think so? I think people who are asexuals should be with people that aren't very much sexual, either. It would work out better for them than dealing with their opposite in that matter.
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Saucy said:
I don't really know what you mean by "be with" someone who's asexual. If she really is, asexual, it would mean that you can't romantically engage with her, so she may as well just be a really good friend.

That's kind of the point of romantic relationships. You have sex.


Romance and sex are not one in the same. Sex has absolutely nothing to do with romance.

Romantic attraction and sexual attraction are two completely separate things. Many asexual people still have romantic attraction to someone.



That is absolutely not true. You're confusing necessary conditions with sufficient conditions.

Let's set out some terms here.

-sexual attraction: attraction that gives you sexual arousal
-attraction/affinity/love: strong attachment to someone
-sex: pretty self explanatory; requires sexual attraction, but does not require attraction/affinity
-relationship: a state of affairs and interactions between two people; can be good or bad or neutral
-romantic relationship: a relationship in which two people are both love one another and are sexually attracted to one another


Romantic relationships necessarily involve sexual attraction. That is the essence of romance and what sets it apart from other types of relationships.

Here's an easy way of thinking about it. You're attracted to your best friend, opposite sex or not, but they aren't sexually attracted to you. By all metrics, this is not a romantic relationship, it's a friendship. Yet what you're saying suggests that it is a romantic relationship, yet that seems rather absurd. Few people would call a one-sided relationship "romantic."


Again, do not confuse love for romance. We love many people. We may even love our best friends and I certainly hope we love our family. These can be very strong bonds, but they're not romantic bonds. By the same token, while I think it's stupid, we can have sex without being in love, which again, falls flat of romance.

However, we cannot be in a romance without both love and sexual attraction. It's simple logic. If you're in a relationship with mere sexual attraction, you're in a "casual" sex relationship which falls short of a romantic relationship. If you're in love with someone, then you have strong affinity and attachment to them, like you do with family or friends, but without sexual attraction, it's not a romance.


Do not blur the lines between love and romance. They are not one in the same. Romantic relationships require sexual attraction, otherwise they are simply strong attachments.



Now, I'm not asexual so I can't purport to know what kinds of feelings they feel, I can only speak to my own experiences. However, my own experiences are backed up by consensus and logic. When you feel "butterflies" and when your face "flushes," these are signs of sexual arousal. Depending on whether these feelings are also accompanied by strong affection, it may be a romance or it may just be a sexual impulse. But let's not confuse romance with friendship.


It's totally okay to love your friend and never want to let them go, I think that's awesome, but unless you also want to have sex with this friend, those are not romantic feelings.






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