On_the_Lam said: Seeing how we both have NGE in our favorites, it's very clear to see which one of us is the biased fan. I'm just saying it's overused, fam. |
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animezinghayden said: I think what they are saying is people continue to watch the show even if they don't like it which is just fucking ridiculous and seems to be limited to the anime community. So many lists consist of 3s 4s and 5s and they have completed the entire show. If it's that shit just stop fucking watching it Um, there is nothing wrong with a '5', it's just saying that the show is average, not great. |
animezinghayden said: Mate if you were at school and you brought home a 5 out of 10 it wouldn't be good, or average. The average score would be at least a 6, and closer to a 7. In my opinion if you are happy watching 5 then you are wasting your fucking time That's a false equivalency. Watching anime isn't the same as completing an essay or other piece of work. How is someone being able to enjoy watching a 5/10 wasting their time? It's the very opposite, in fact. By being able to enjoy a wider range of anime you're wasting less time on anime you don't like. I mean, where are you going to draw the line? "I only watch 8s or higher, 7/10 is a waste of time." "I only watch 9s or higher, 8/10s are a waste of time". There will always be better anime, and there will always be worse anime. Being content with the majority of them makes the most sense. It's the most practical. The higher one's standards, the more time is wasted cycling through anime complaining about how bad it is and how your own standards can never be met. Not to mention that by grading average / decent things as 5/10, it leaves you with more accurate scorings for other shows that you enjoyed more. My 6s are different to my 7s, my 7s are different to my 8s, so on and so forth. Furthermore I can safely say I still enjoyed anime that I gave a 4/10. Even if they might have had lots of issues in most places which rendered them as a below-average anime, that doesn't mean they were outright bad or devoid of any entertainment value. I really can't fathom how being happy / content with the majority of shows you watch can be considered a waste of time. |
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animezinghayden said: retort makes absolutely no sense, Gintama is incredibly popular overseas and here in Japan, hence why it is half of the top ten anime. And has absolutely nothing to do with ecchi being 12 year old girls half naked for future peadophiles to fap to can you just tell me that not all ecchi and harem are bad because i actually like that stuff dude...and to be quite fucking honest im kinda offended. what do fam? what do... |
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animezinghayden said: Maz said: That's a false equivalency. Watching anime isn't the same as completing an essay or other piece of work. How is someone being able to enjoy watching a 5/10 wasting their time? It's the very opposite, in fact. By being able to enjoy a wider range of anime you're wasting less time on anime you don't like. I mean, where are you going to draw the line? "I only watch 8s or higher, 7/10 is a waste of time." "I only watch 9s or higher, 8/10s are a waste of time". There will always be better anime, and there will always be worse anime. Being content with the majority of them makes the most sense. It's the most practical. The higher one's standards, the more time is wasted cycling through anime complaining about how bad it is and how your own standards can never be met. Not to mention that by grading average / decent things as 5/10, it leaves you with more accurate scorings for other shows that you enjoyed more. My 6s are different to my 7s, my 7s are different to my 8s, so on and so forth. Furthermore I can safely say I still enjoyed anime that I gave a 4/10. Even if they might have had lots of issues in most places which rendered them as a below-average anime, that doesn't mean they were outright bad or devoid of any entertainment value. I really can't fathom how being happy / content with the majority of shows you watch can be considered a waste of time. I don't think anyone on this site understands the fucking word average. If you have scored a show a 5, and its avergae score in the site is a 7, then you think it is well below average, but you still watched the show. And that is what the OP is talking about, if you enjoyed it, why would you give it such a low score? My scores are based soley on my own enjoyment factor because I honestly dont give a fuck about anything else. If i enjoyed it and it held my attention, automatic 7, if it did something special and 8, ect ect. Again, tbh I don't know why the OP gives a shit because his score of something will not affect my opinion on something, but is interesting to see people who say they enjoy something but have given it a fail mark but myanimelist tells me a 5 is an average .... what do fam? |
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| GAWD DAMMIT @Robiii this thread is another chance to throw bait at all the filthy elitists that plague the "community" i understand some people have fun analyzing the things they watch, but when you're at Digibro level and you just have to point out EVERYTHING you think is a mistake/overhyped/makes no sense/generic/pandering, then its like..... why the fuck are you even watching? its entertainment, not your gawd damn science paper, and i personally find it sad if you can't just enjoy entertainment for what it is. instead it has to meet every standard you have i also hate when people try to take everything seriously... only wanting certain things to be done in certain situations and only certain genres should be mixed...... thats so fucking boring and shows an extreme lack of creativity and no ability to think outside the box, which is where new ideas come from BUT SURE, to each their own, but don't be surprised when people like me are constantly questioning your decisions and complaining about them yet again the truth has been spoken, oh and ignore the troll..... its people like @animezinghayden who are always secretly into the thing that speak so harshly against |
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Lobinde said: Digibro's "analysis" of k-on! is the epitome of this Personally I analyse stuff as I watch an anime, but only in the broad sense, I won't nitpick every little thing. Digibro in his entirety is an over analyzer. He needs to make some animation and realize how difficult it can be. |
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animezinghayden said: Lol look at my list mate, I have a wife, a real wife, don't need that shit. And you fucktards still don't understand average, average will change with ever person who gives it a score. Do you even understand basic mathematics fuck me Yeah this is what I meant with that "fit of rage" thingy and no one cares if you have a wife tbh |
OtakuDaikun said: Lobinde said: Digibro's "analysis" of k-on! is the epitome of this Personally I analyse stuff as I watch an anime, but only in the broad sense, I won't nitpick every little thing. Digibro in his entirety is an over analyzer. He needs to make some animation and realize how difficult it can be. Just like every movie critic needs to also make movies? You do realize that argument is fucking stupid, right? |
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Zelkiiro said: Well the problem with that is, its usually the people with like less then 50 anime series watched complaining about how everything sucks and their's nothing good out anymore. Those people are the main reasons I can't stand haters.Major123 said: I'm more accepting of too much praise. Constant complaining is just annoying in a way where it makes me wonder why people don't do something else in their free time. Yes! How dare we demand that our entertainment be of higher quality! How DARE we!! |
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Zelkiiro said: OtakuDaikun said: Digibro in his entirety is an over analyzer. He needs to make some animation and realize how difficult it can be. Just like every movie critic needs to also make movies? You do realize that argument is fucking stupid, right? Actually I do think movie critics should have some form of production experience. I'd certainly trust their opinions more, even if it's just a short film that totally sucked. |
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Major123 said: Well the problem with that is, its usually the people with like less then 50 anime series watched complaining about how everything sucks and their's nothing good out anymore. Those people are the main reasons I can't stand haters. I have 40 anime completed and some truly negative reviews. It doesn't matter how much someone watched, but how they argue. Do they back up their criticism? How is their grip with literary theory? Can they explain themselves, or are they just throwing 'lol this is weird'? |
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animezinghayden said: Maz said: That's a false equivalency. Watching anime isn't the same as completing an essay or other piece of work. How is someone being able to enjoy watching a 5/10 wasting their time? It's the very opposite, in fact. By being able to enjoy a wider range of anime you're wasting less time on anime you don't like. I mean, where are you going to draw the line? "I only watch 8s or higher, 7/10 is a waste of time." "I only watch 9s or higher, 8/10s are a waste of time". There will always be better anime, and there will always be worse anime. Being content with the majority of them makes the most sense. It's the most practical. The higher one's standards, the more time is wasted cycling through anime complaining about how bad it is and how your own standards can never be met. Not to mention that by grading average / decent things as 5/10, it leaves you with more accurate scorings for other shows that you enjoyed more. My 6s are different to my 7s, my 7s are different to my 8s, so on and so forth. Furthermore I can safely say I still enjoyed anime that I gave a 4/10. Even if they might have had lots of issues in most places which rendered them as a below-average anime, that doesn't mean they were outright bad or devoid of any entertainment value. I really can't fathom how being happy / content with the majority of shows you watch can be considered a waste of time. I don't think anyone on this site understands the fucking word average. If you have scored a show a 5, and its avergae score in the site is a 7, then you think it is well below average, but you still watched the show. And that is what the OP is talking about, if you enjoyed it, why would you give it such a low score? My scores are based soley on my own enjoyment factor because I honestly dont give a fuck about anything else. If i enjoyed it and it held my attention, automatic 7, if it did something special and 8, ect ect. Again, tbh I don't know why the OP gives a shit because his score of something will not affect my opinion on something, but is interesting to see people who say they enjoy something but have given it a fail mark People always misunderstand that. I am not talking about the average score of the anime as a whole. I'm talking about it being a 5/10 - average - in my own list. I do not believe that "7/10" is average because that's a ridiculous scoring system. That means I only have 8,9 and 10 for positive scores, whereas I have 1-6 for negative scores. Why would I want to have twice as many negatives as positives? I watch anime that I want to enjoy and expect to enjoy, so having double the negatives makes no sense. Seriously mate, it isn't fuckin' rocket science. Spend less time insulting everyone else and more time engaging your brain. The score that an anime has as a whole on this side has got absolutely fuck all to do with my own personal scores on my own personal lists. I'm well aware of what average means, and there was and is nothing wrong with my usage of it. |
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animezinghayden said: Maz said: my original point stands, your mean score is 5 for fuck sake. That's means all those positives yor talking about from 6-10 rarely exist and your watching things you barely like, hence wasting your fucking lifePeople always misunderstand that. I am not talking about the average score of the anime as a whole. I'm talking about it being a 5/10 - average - in my own list. I do not believe that "7/10" is average because that's a ridiculous scoring system. That means I only have 8,9 and 10 for positive scores, whereas I have 1-6 for negative scores. Why would I want to have twice as many negatives as positives? I watch anime that I want to enjoy and expect to enjoy, so having double the negatives makes no sense. Seriously mate, it isn't fuckin' rocket science. Spend less time insulting everyone else and more time engaging your brain. The score that an anime has as a whole on this side has got absolutely fuck all to do with my own personal scores on my own personal lists. I'm well aware of what average means, and there was and is nothing wrong with my usage of it. Statistically you're wrong. That's irrefutable. The vast majority of my list is 5 or above. And As I've already established, a 5/10 anime is perfectly enjoyable. But by all means, tell people they're wasting their time just because you have different standards and priorities. How close minded do you want to be? |
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animezinghayden said: Statistically I'm right because mal calculates your mean score and yours is 5. That means 5 is your most common score lol You mean different standards like living my life above a 5/10 lvl. I would hope most people want more than 5/10 from there life because there is just no setting where a 5/10 is a good score. No, my mean score isn't 5. It's 5.88. There's a world of difference there, actually. You could go through my list and count the number of each score. Statistically, the majority are 5 or higher. So yet again, statistically you're wrong. Are you even capable of looking past your own nose? |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Well I'm not specifying anyone, its just usually those people.Major123 said: Well the problem with that is, its usually the people with like less then 50 anime series watched complaining about how everything sucks and their's nothing good out anymore. Those people are the main reasons I can't stand haters. I have 40 anime completed and some truly negative reviews. It doesn't matter how much someone watched, but how they argue. Do they back up their criticism? How is their grip with literary theory? Can they explain themselves, or are they just throwing 'lol this is weird'? |
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OtakuDaikun said: Zelkiiro said: Just like every movie critic needs to also make movies? You do realize that argument is fucking stupid, right? Actually I do think movie critics should have some form of production experience. I'd certainly trust their opinions more, even if it's just a short film that totally sucked. i agree 100%.... sometimes you just HAVE TO be part of a group/have some experience to at least some degree in order to really be able to criticize Digibro goes way too far with his criticism, to the point where i don't understand how he enjoys anything as an artist, i can easily vouch on how long animation takes.... just one scene can take an entire day especially if you want a high frame rate even the really simple drawings can take 2 hours or more |
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animezinghayden said: Mate if you were at school and you brought home a 5 out of 10 it wouldn't be good, or average. The average score would be at least a 6, and closer to a 7. In my opinion if you are happy watching 5 then you are wasting your fucking time do you live in school? why are the school methods of scoring the nonplusultra? Personally I find it stupid to think that schoolwork and art can be rated the same way. In one case you have a clear 100% that can be reached objectively, in the other case you have vague levels of enjoyment being somewhat represented by numericals for a lack of better options. Just because people come from school or still are in school they automatically assume that system they're used to = THE rating system and everything that deviates from it makes no sense. But there's no actual reason to believe that. In fact it makes much less sense to try and judge art with school ratings. That's not how art works. You don't give a writer or a painter a bunch of tasks and if he can answer them properly and correctly the result is a good story or a great painting. Viewing art like that is extremely reductionist and, frankly, unreflected. What did those teachers do to you for you to go out of your way and trying to make every rating system in this world submit to the one your teachers use on you in school. Is it really this easy to brainwash people into believing only one system is correct, no matter the context? I was expecting people to be more able to think for themselves and not just take anything they're used to as absolute, but judging from how incredibly frequently people 'argue' like that ('If you're not rating anime/art like you'd rate a school homework then you're doing it wrong') I'm really beginning to think that getting people used to something in school is enough to make them defend it for the rest of their lives, and even trying to force it on others in completely different contexts. A scary thought as far as I'm concerned. |
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kamisama751 said: And then? How does that "helping" you rate your chinese cartoons? Not at all. What is bad before is still bad now and what is good before is still good now. The only thing that might change is lowering your bar so you will accept everything. Which, in fact won't help your analyzing and criticism at all. thats not the point... im not even going to go on about how bad and good are subjective.... but anyway... the point is maybe the harshly critical people would have a bit more respect for the creators/creations if they realized just how much hard work it is |
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Mamster-P said: But that might make them even more bitter upon realizing that making an entire movie or TV is really fucking hard and they'll never be able to do it, so they'll become even more cynical.kamisama751 said: And then? How does that "helping" you rate your chinese cartoons? Not at all. What is bad before is still bad now and what is good before is still good now. The only thing that might change is lowering your bar so you will accept everything. Which, in fact won't help your analyzing and criticism at all. thats not the point... im not even going to go on about how bad and good are subjective.... but anyway... the point is maybe the harshly critical people would have a bit more respect for the creators/creations if they realized just how much hard work it is OT: it's all a matter of perspective OP. Some people think digibro's goes too far and don't understand how he can enjoy things, my perspective is similar to his, so I get where he's coming from. As far as over-analysis ruining a show, knowing why I like or dislike something doesn't make me enjoy a show any less, and If I'm constantly picking a show apart while watching it then it's probably already lost me anyways and I'm dropping it after that episode finishes. |
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merryfistmas said: But that might make them even more bitter upon realizing that making an entire movie or TV is really fucking hard and they'll never be able to do it, so they'll become even more cynical. i don't see how.. frame by frame takes eons and if you realize that and you're calling them lazy for some choppy animation or w/e you don't know wtf you're saying @kamisama751 again, not the point.... yes you're free to criticize, but many critical people act as if the creators are all just lazy and not putting in the effort could be when many of them are starving/sleep deprived just to provide us with some anime to enjoy don't forget OP mentioned things like pointing out choppy animation and maybe the way a characters face looks in one scene, well sometimes you HAVE TO go with mistakes when you have a budget and time constraints, its not just all about "the story" like you highly critical people want to believe |
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kamisama751 said: Mamster-P said: i agree 100%.... sometimes you just HAVE TO be part of a group/have some experience to at least some degree in order to really be able to criticize Digibro goes way too far with his criticism, to the point where i don't understand how he enjoys anything as an artist, i can easily vouch on how long animation takes.... just one scene can take an entire day especially if you want a high frame rate even the really simple drawings can take 2 hours or more And then? How does that "helping" you rate your chinese cartoons? Not at all. What is bad before is still bad now and what is good before is still good now. The only thing that might change is lowering your bar so you will accept everything. Which, in fact won't help your analyzing and criticism at all. animezinghayden said: By all means (geddit) enjoy your 5.88 animes but just imagine you were a teacher and the animation you watch was a project submitted to you for grading, you are failing a lot of those animations that you say you enjoy. Your either way to harsh or you don't take your own enjoyment of a show into nearly as much consideration as you should You still need to elaborate the relation between the school grading system and art. Even when we imagine this or that if there is no relation between them in the first place then it is no use. It's like when a leader from corporate comes to my workplace and dictates how things have to be even though they have no idea how to do my job. That disconnect is problematic. I'm not saying such an overview isn't important but it does become more meaningful with an understanding of the system at all levels. It's the difference between "do better!" and "prioritize this and be careful of that". |
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Mamster-P said: OtakuDaikun said: Actually I do think movie critics should have some form of production experience. I'd certainly trust their opinions more, even if it's just a short film that totally sucked. i agree 100%.... sometimes you just HAVE TO be part of a group/have some experience to at least some degree in order to really be able to criticize Digibro goes way too far with his criticism, to the point where i don't understand how he enjoys anything as an artist, i can easily vouch on how long animation takes.... just one scene can take an entire day especially if you want a high frame rate even the really simple drawings can take 2 hours or more Well i heard that the japan animators can draw like...guess how much? 5 frames in a day. So thats 5 pics. Idk how long they work per day tho |
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| @kamisama751 i know what you're talking about and thats not what i care about, i don't care about the finished product, i was talking about appreciating the effort that goes into it i personally think people like Digibro spend too much time harping on every little detail in the plot/story w/e while i think some other ppl whine about things that require needing to know how hard it is to make before saying something i wasn't necessarily agreeing that Digibro himself needs to know the effort put into making the show, im just saying i think he'd have a better appreciation for it if he knew what it was like so put it this way, you @Kamisama751 are a critical watcher who likes to analyze what you watch, BUT lets say you joined in the team and had to work 12 hours a day for 3 months to help finish the product. are you not then gonna be a bit more lenient or at least complain a bit less about anime after that? |
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