Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
| I think there was a mix of wanting to save them and to also find out more since Subaru basically realized this episode that he's pretty ignorant of everyone in the household. Besides for every death he was served he had some happy moments with the twins. Plus just because he lived this timeloop doesn't make it the best case scenario, in fact other than death it seems like the worst case. |
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jzmagic said: I know there's quite a few of you who feel the same way, those maids who tortured and killed him over and over again don't deserve saving. The only thing I dislike about this show so far. They kill him, if special conditions are fulfilled. So they don't detest him NATURALLY, but just in special cases. And even if he were to detest and kill them or letting them die, what would he do next? He would be hunted by everyone and be killed again. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending.  |
| I completely agree with you regarding this issue. This is my biggest complain about Re:Zero so far... |
| dropped the anime 0 like its trash to me slow pacing and shit and then this crap lmao didnt he "saves" every night? which means now that he got to the fourth night and rem died in that night he cant go back ? |
| a yuuki rito clone |
| He is a retarded harem lead of course he has to do everything in his power to save his waifus |
| Really annoying. It'd be one thing if he had chemistry with those maids, but all they've done is teach him things and talk to him like a bad comedy routine (and that's ignoring the fact that they, y'know, tried to KILL HIM?!). I've had college professors I'm not close with who interact with me more than that. It's pretty clear at this point that the last three episodes exist solely to build relationships, and I can't stand character-building for the sake of character-building, especially when it's made repetitive by those time resets. Then there's the fact that after seven episodes, Subaru is still a boring plot device. The show still hasn't given me any background on the guy. No family, no hints of his life in the real world, and zero importance in the plot other than to make the future of a fantasy world he's an outsider of safe a nice place, and even that's vaguely defined. Meta-humor and being a gamer isn't enough. Why am I supposed to care about him? Give me some background that actually matters. |
FlawfinderMay 15, 2016 3:08 PM
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jzmagic said: bobzanny said: I think there was a mix of wanting to save them and to also find out more since Subaru basically realized this episode that he's pretty ignorant of everyone in the household. Besides for every death he was served he had some happy moments with the twins. Any normal person wouldn't kill themselves to save his vicious murderers just because he shared a few happy moments with them. And he saw firsthand with Rem just how little they cared about him. Just didn't feel believable to me. During this timeloop, clearly they had some moments and that was seen when Subaru was remembering what happened beforehand, I don't think Rem would have an easier time killing him if she experienced the same kind moments. And like I said it's not like he's in a good situation to begin with as he clearly wants to be with Emilia plus it shows that someone is targeting the mansion. So the best course of action is to restart with newfound knowledge and try again to win the support of the maids plus beatrice and find out about the curse...that is as long as the restart point is the same. |
| Big Order (TV):great anime or greatest anime? |
| Till now the only one who "tortured" him was Rem, the other was pretty much trying to kill him for revenge since he's indirectly responsible for her sister death. It's been stated multiple times that if anything happens in the mansion the primary suspect is Subaru cause nobody knows anything about him... I don't understand why you think they don't deserve being saved, they clearly don't really want to kill him, if they wanted that they wouldn't show those expressions... they are probably compelled to do it. Who helds the hand of a person having nightmares if they are planning to kill that person? |
| I don't think Op understands what whiteknighting means. |
| Death 5-6 times, it's a surprise he's not mentally broken yet. Sure it might be clichéd af but let's think outside the box here, not that i can contribute with anything.. but could a man really stay sane after all those experiences? feelings? pain? memories? Could've taken the wrong turn anytime, not to mention trying to correct the timeline(s). I don't think anyone would've chosen to be thrown out, and the heck was that purple thing crawling up his body which left the "fear" imprinted (can't say shit) in him which led to his "whiteknighting" which further led him into making that choice, redo it without throwing it all away.. |
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Flawfinder said: It'd be one thing if he had chemistry with those maids, I've had college professors I'm not close with who interact with me more than that. mmm, there is a thing off in that comparison, were you in an unknown world with no one you know and nothing safe or clear to cling to? i think the point of subaru's way to act is that ever since he came in that fantasy world he has experienced a lot of shit, expecially all the times he has already died in gruesome ways, so anything remotely normal or anyone treating even slightly nicely is seen like a blessing from him he may have started like a normal person in a normal world, but now he's a wounded person in an unknown world, making comparisons with "how a normal person would act, normally" is out of place |
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Zeando said: mmm, there is a thing off in that comparison, were you in an unknown world with no one you know and nothing safe or clear to cling to? i think the point of subaru's way to act is that ever since he came in that fantasy world he has experienced a lot of shit, expecially all the times he has already died in gruesome ways, so anything remotely normal or anyone treating even slightly nicely is seen like a blessing from him he may have started like a normal person in a normal world, but now he's a wounded person in an unknown world That does not translate well to fiction in the least. Why should I sympathize with Subaru because of all the shit he's gone through? He's fictional. He's not a real person. If you want me to sympathize with the guy, you're going to have to tell me who he is. Having some random teenage boy who smooth talks the ladies and gets his legs hacked off by maids who are mostly deadpan until the plot calls for it isn't good enough. |
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| utterly disgusting this last episode |
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Flawfinder said: Why should I sympathize with Subaru because of all the shit he's gone through? He's fictional. He's not a real person. ..doesn't that count as staying detached from the story? if you don't want to get invested and involved with the story and its characters, how can you expect to understand it? that's what i was trying to point out before, subaru's actions are understandable if you can put yourself in his shoes, or if it's possible to rationalize his actions by looking at him, and anything else, from the outside, it's all a bunch of events happening for the author's convenience, like it is in every other story, they're all fiction if you look at them purely from the outside but it's understandable if one doesn't like the theme/setting/execution, and for that reason refuses to get involved (but the lack of understanding comes from that lack of involvement) --- one of the most important qualities of a fictional work is to pull the reader/watcher into it, so maybe this isn't cutting it for you guys |
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| OK,OK,OK...I will be baited...I wont write all the reasons why i think Twins are not EVIL or why a NEET that got a second chance would want to save the twins tho....I will skip all the emotional,humane reasons.... I will simply show what Subaru said and prove that "idiot Subaru" is smarter than you simple minded people who lack empathy...I will give you only the logical reason:  Saving twins is the easiest solution for Subaru...It is the best route for Subaru's salvation and his well being... |
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| Okay... I have to point out a few problems with people here. First of all, Subaru's first death was not because of Rem. As evident by Rem dying in her sleep in this episode. Secondly, Subaru's second death was after he was being cursed. Sooner or later, he'd just die. Thirdly, Subaru's third death was because he was being suspicious outside the mansion. Not to mention smelling like the Witch of Envy, that Rem hated so much, then keeps on denying to have any relations with the witch. Of course it's not Subaru's fault, but then again, if you meet a very dangerous enemy who kept on lying in your face, you'd probably go murder on that guy to keep everyone you love safe. Fourth death was because he realize that between the hatred and sadness, the sadness echoed more in him. The time he spent with them were totally real for him. He believes that Rem and Ram have reason to why they kill him that he don't understand. He knows he can save them and make things right, why not? |
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ColdBreeze said: Is this by any chance a hate-thread? Lol It's turning into one. There has been no apparent flaws in the plot, characters and their reasoning why they do things. All makes sense if people just pay attention. Also MAL is so predictable to just jump on a hatewagon once an anime gets a sick episode. Now jumping on the ''convenient plot armor'' road. You should have known since episode 2, why you ain't dropping it? |
SmudyMay 15, 2016 6:42 PM
LoneWizard said: Saving twins is the easiest solution for Subaru...It is the best route for Subaru's salvation and his well being... Oh lol yeah except for the fact that the blue twin would go mad and kill him again, there's no guarantee he will be able to persuade her or earn her trust, because the dude has failed several times before in those recent saves. Except, maybe if he is given a thick plot armor, will power and convenient plots then yeah, he will get through to save his harem and full fill our weaboo fantasy. Flawfinder said: That does not translate well to fiction in the least. Why should I sympathize with Subaru because of all the shit he's gone through? He's fictional. He's not a real person. If you want me to sympathize with the guy, you're going to have to tell me who he is. Having some random teenage boy who smooth talks the ladies and gets his legs hacked off by maids who are mostly deadpan until the plot calls for it isn't good enough. Well said my friend, well said. Many people don't really know what are good or realistic character development and R:Z hardly has any of them. |
| Nice thinly veiled hate thread and no Subaru hasn't "whiteknighted" anyone. |
| @Takana_no_Hana try to be more subtle lmao,seen better half-trolls in my sister's doll house(yeah,she is kinda weird) |
LoneWizzyMay 15, 2016 6:58 PM
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| He's starting to realize he has the power to change the current timeline. Him wanting to reset to save both girls AND himself isn't non-realistic at all. |
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FlawlezZ said: dropped the anime 0 like its trash to me slow pacing and shit and then this crap lmao didnt he "saves" every night? which means now that he got to the fourth night and rem died in that night he cant go back ? Dumb kid HAHAHA Get out! |
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| This thread is going to look pretty funny and dumb by the end of this arc, heck this season when people can't see beyond black and white are eating crow and don't understand he only killed for very specific reason and not for the lolz. Can't wait for excuses naysayers will give when it happens. :) More observant and thoughtful people won't be surprised since they aren't blind to what's happeneing. And this not what Whiteknighting means. |
Iron_MawMay 15, 2016 7:31 PM
jzmagic said: bobzanny said: I think there was a mix of wanting to save them and to also find out more since Subaru basically realized this episode that he's pretty ignorant of everyone in the household. Besides for every death he was served he had some happy moments with the twins. Any normal person wouldn't kill themselves to save his vicious murderers just because he shared a few happy moments with them. And he saw firsthand with Rem just how little they cared about him. Just didn't feel believable to me. that only shows how little faith you can have with them (or anyone in particular) and it only shows your immaturity. you don't even know their backstory. and while their "happy SoL" parts aren't animated (duh, anime even sacrificed OP/ED just for the sake of more airtime which is literally everything you can ask for), he did shared happy moments with them. and no, its far from superstitious. in fact, it is BECAUSE they're trying to kill him that he wants to find out why they're doing it. obviously it will take gargantuan efforts to solve this underlying mystery. and that's what sacrificing for other people is all about. blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children (Ezekiel 25:17) |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
| Spending 4 days with people > dies an unexpected death, spent 4 more days with same people > dies unexpectedly again > spent another 4 days with same people > finds out blue maid killed him. Interacting with people for 12 days long in the same household and even working together with them, also bonding well with them. They taught him many things, things he was genuinely grateful for. He actually trusted them and enjoyed those moments. How would you react if someone like that was the one who kept murdering you? Are you the type who would go "nah man fuck this, I'm just gonna kill them, they aren't important to me anymore or maybe I'll just run away and forget about them in a place where I don't know a thing that's going on" (Ask yourself this, what would you do next? Where would you go next?) or would you actually try and find out "why? What can I do to correct this?". To me the first one seems to be the idiotic choice and you'll definitely not make it with no money, no food, nothing. People don't seem to realize things from their perspective. It's not just this episode, people have been like this SINCE episode 1. Is it that hard to just think logically and from their perspective first? |
Moon_man said: He knows they did it to protect someone they love. He has also discovered an outside source; another killer. No he doesn't. Not even we know that. There has been no evidence to suggest any of the things you claim. Unless you're going off of the source material? |
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| >whiteknighting This fucking thread .. lololol ''hurr durr she tried to kill him, fuck em alllllllllll '' so simple-minded. a good chunk of people already said why subaru does this and that in this thread, i'm not gonna write the same fucking thing. |
DatRandomDudeMay 15, 2016 10:44 PM
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| well, it's indeed what will happen if we were put in the same situation imo. well, yeah...someone who teach him how to read and write, talking with him peacefully, make a joke with him, laughing together, etc, and now suddenly appear in front of him and killing him like it ain't nothing to them. well, it's an obvious reaction for subaru to cry in the intro. subaru even express his own feeling towards Rem and Ram in the intro.....yet, he got killed again. and then when subaru escaped from the mansion and almost kill him self/jump from the cliff, he didn't do it because he got scared. and i really love that because that was the natural reaction. more like human nature. that is the proor that subaru is stilll a human. and when Ram came, he express his feelings again towards Rem and Ram to Ram, then he jump from the cliff considering the determination which he just made. so i think it's great. that's the kind of person he is. Rem and Ram have something either in their past or maybe in their hearts. i don't know, something is still hidden insinde of them. and next episode will reveal it :D |
YizelTroMay 15, 2016 10:54 PM
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| I did kind of feel weird about it at first. It didn't really click with me how Subaru connected with both the maid sisters to the point where he felt the need to risk killing himself to save them. I then kind of thought about why he felt these things though, and thought about it all being for Emilia's sake. Obviously he's smitten with Emilia. I'd like to think that he feels that if Rem or Ram were to come across any harm, Emilia would become heartbroken. His love for Emilia kind of manifests itself into a love for anyone else Emilia is in contact with, and that's what causes him to go to such lengths. I don't know if that makes any sense, but that's kind of how I see it. Or that's what I'd like to believe seeing as Emilia is the main heroine. watched the episode again: There were a set of flashbacks in ep 7, towards the end where it showed him with Rem, then Ram, then Emilia, then Beatrice. He also says, "I love you guys!" so it's kind of like he's not just doing this for Rem and Ram, but for everyone connected to Emilia. I guess he's grown quite fond of the whole group after the 15 or so days he's been there. I don't know if it's because of the pacing or whatever but some people unfortunately don't feel the same connection the writer is trying to get across, hence this thread. |
strider98 said: Tbh, his character his established like that from the start and I don't see any problem here. Like he already said he will protect the two ogres in prev ep, and then labeled an idiot by Ram, same thing happened here. Also he can find out more since he has grabbed a hint that there is a third party involved in this. Takana_no_Hana said: Oh lol yeah except for the fact that the blue twin would go mad and kill him again, there's no guarantee he will be able to persuade her or earn her trust, because the dude has failed several times before in those recent saves. Every time loop doesn't go according to your wish though, your decisions play a major factor. Well, you will soon see. It's hard to imagine someone would sacrifice himself to save a person who just tortured him badly and gave him a trauma. Also, he just met with the twins only days and already "love" them, it takes time to bond and create a strong connection but like, really? They don't even care about him that much. I am sorry but my logic fails to cope up with this fictional character. |
Takana_no_HanaMay 15, 2016 11:55 PM
crx07 said: Takana_no_Hana said: Are you really watching those previous SoL-ish boring episodes without skipping anything? Even real people liked Rem especially because of her smile.Also, he just met with the twins only days and already "love" them, it takes time to bond and create a strong connection but like, really? They don't even care about him that much. Except for the fact that the girl killed him gruesomely, enough that he had to scream out loud when first seeing her face again. Then somehow he thought about her smile and easily forgave her, even sacrifice himself just to save the chick. But if you think about it, if the culprit wasn't a hot smoking maid but rather an old and ugly grandma, would he able to come to the same conclusion rofl? Idk man, I'm die laughing here. Okay man, I'm out of here. |
Takana_no_HanaMay 16, 2016 12:32 AM
GosuGian said: "I am not intelligent enough for this anime so its shit"FlawlezZ said: dropped the anime 0 like its trash to me slow pacing and shit and then this crap lmao didnt he "saves" every night? which means now that he got to the fourth night and rem died in that night he cant go back ? Dumb kid HAHAHA Get out! That was good and sad ;_; |
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| He became attached to them during the 20 days they spend together and he values them, that's why he decided to commit suicide to save the maids. It has sense for Subaru's character, but in my case, I wouldn't waste my precious life to save people who wouldn't bother to even hear my last words before killing me in a gruesome way just because they smelled some Witch essence in me. |
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