| I take it by two sample by ages, I seen seven samurai, a movies from decades ago and hanzawa naoki, a recent years dorama, both has resemblance on over the top acting or over facial expression, .... I think OP, u've already answered it, both cultural and their kabuki's influenced also look like normally, japanese ppl tend to over react and over gestures. I'm not know japanese on rl, but that what I got impression when see them on normal day, I mean I don't know any country which easily throw the word like "kawai" "kakoi" "sugoi" etc or bow ur head to almost on every second they talk.... So i don't think it was anime-ish though, if by ur standard It was bad acting or not suit ur then I guess it's just matter of familiarity, or maybe preference for styles, maybe *if u want to see one of the truest over the top actor(that's really over of the over), I just want to say tatsuya fujiwara, from what I'd seen, battle royal~death note~kaiji movies~shield of straw, he's really nailed it |
karambiaMar 24, 2016 10:05 AM
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| Different type of acting style So it's mostly about them cultural differences |
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alinet86 said: Guess we have to interview the people in the industry to know if this were taught in their acting school or something. XD This. I am extremely curious. It's not like Japanese people are unfamiliar with Hollywood or western media either. |
| What's up with you complaining about the Japanese film industry? OT: When I watched Lesson of the Evil, there was no overreaction (it was more the protag being hammy as fuck). If I remember correctly, there was no overreacting in Monster, RuroKen or Bloody Monday either. |
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| I think the bigger problem is the way they speak or how the conversation sound. Asian actors rely on their body to express as well. Which is something that they have over western actors imo like Min-sik Choi. It only looks awkward in Japanese movies because the way they speak, at least to me. Because I'm very familiar with the Japanese language unlike Korean, actors often sound unnatural which translate to awkwardness. It becomes too over the top. I did listen to how normal Japanese conversation sounds like. I would say it's your own experience with anime that affect your perception of them, rather than anime having influence over their style of acting. Though some actors sound natural. For example in Cold Fish the lead actor sounded and acted really good, while literally every other actor/actress sounded like they came straight out of an anime. It needs getting used to, it seems. |
tsudecimoMar 24, 2016 11:18 AM
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I'm one of the few people that agreed with him, I had problem with the Japanese film industry myself beside what he said, there's a lot of issue I have with the industry. Back on topic: I don't watch enough J-dramas to know how good or bad the acting is. This is due to limited accessibility unlike their Korean and Taiwanese counterpart. |
mdo7 said: I'm one of the few people that agreed with him, I had problem with the Japanese film industry myself beside what he said, there's a lot of issue I have with the industry. Really? You didn't get that? |
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yhunata said: mdo7 said: I'm one of the few people that agreed with him, I had problem with the Japanese film industry myself beside what he said, there's a lot of issue I have with the industry. Really? You didn't get that? Was your intention to be sarcastic, but @dariken and I agreed about the Japanese film industry not being competitive compared to their Korean and Chinese film industry. Also Japanese films have accessibility issues outside of Japan and Asia. |
tsudecimo said: yup, sometimes it's just based on perception, when the things is already establish long before anime...I would say it's your own experience with anime that affect your perception of them, rather than anime having influence over their style of acting. mdo7 said: I'm one of the few people that agreed with him, I had problem with the Japanese film industry myself beside what he said, there's a lot of issue I have with the industry. Back on topic: I don't watch enough J-dramas to know how good or bad the acting is. This is due to limited accessibility unlike their Korean and Taiwanese counterpart. The problem is @mdo7, imo this is not japanese film industry issue, but more as the issue for some foreign audiences, about how familiar or how suit they are with the style or sort of cultural difference |
karambiaMar 25, 2016 2:34 AM
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semss said: mdo7 said: I'm one of the few people that agreed with him, I had problem with the Japanese film industry myself beside what he said, there's a lot of issue I have with the industry. Back on topic: I don't watch enough J-dramas to know how good or bad the acting is. This is due to limited accessibility unlike their Korean and Taiwanese counterpart. The problem is @mdo7, imo this is not japanese film industry issue, but more as the issue for some foreign audiences, about how familiar or how suit they are with the style or sort of cultural difference It's the Japanese film industry fault, we've seen the evidence. Don't you remember I mention this on another thread. About the foreign audiences, if that was the case, then K-dramas and Korean films would've the same problem, and yet K-dramas is popular and not a unknown thing compared to Japanese films. |
mdo7 said: I mean the acting mdo7, the acting... That nothing to dosemss said: The problem is @mdo7, imo this is not japanese film industry issue, but more as the issue for some foreign audiences, about how familiar or how suit they are with the style or sort of cultural difference It's the Japanese film industry fault, we've seen the evidence. Don't you remember I mention this on another thread. About the foreign audiences, if that was the case, then K-dramas and Korean films would've the same problem, and yet K-dramas is popular and not a unknown thing compared to Japanese films. with indutries fault like u said or any thread we talk before, when imho, it's just cultural thing, u can follow up with my or other post above "So i don't think it was anime-ish though, if by ur standard It was bad acting or not suit ur then I guess it's just matter of familiarity, or maybe preference for styles, maybe" These articles, If u think me blabbering here www.rogerebert.com/letters/why-samurai-overact And bet me those thing still influence them till today |
karambiaMar 25, 2016 8:41 AM
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semss said: I mean the acting mdo7, the acting... That nothing to do with indutries fault like u said or any thread we talk before, when imho, it's just cultural thing, u can follow up with my or other post above "So i don't think it was anime-ish though, if by ur standard It was bad acting or not suit ur then I guess it's just matter of familiarity, or maybe preference for styles, maybe" These articles, If u think me blabbering here www.rogerebert.com/letters/why-samurai-overact And bet me those thing still influence them till today Oh Ok, I see. But then again, Korean acting (and to some extent, Taiwanese dramas) can be a bit exaggerated too like on the same level as their Japanese counterpart yet a lot of people outside of Asia accepted it better then the Japanese counterpart. So is this the case of double standard or something else? What do you think @dariken ? Do you think if these over-acting had been Korean, they wouldn't find it weird. I mean a lot of people accept K-pop but don't accept J-pop and they think that if J-pop sing in Korean then they would be accepted by international audiences. |
mdo7 said: well beside their sore throat when talking, i don't think korean have much over the top, or exagerated style of acting implied, they sort of have it, but not quite as much as and sometimes obscure compared to japan, so it's not double standard, as for japan the "over" level is very obvious, and can be very awkwardsemss said: I mean the acting mdo7, the acting... That nothing to do with indutries fault like u said or any thread we talk before, when imho, it's just cultural thing, u can follow up with my or other post above "So i don't think it was anime-ish though, if by ur standard It was bad acting or not suit ur then I guess it's just matter of familiarity, or maybe preference for styles, maybe" These articles, If u think me blabbering here www.rogerebert.com/letters/why-samurai-overact And bet me those thing still influence them till today Oh Ok, I see. But then again, Korean acting (and to some extent, Taiwanese dramas) can be a bit exaggerated too like on the same level as their Japanese counterpart yet a lot of people outside of Asia accepted it better then the Japanese counterpart. So is this the case of double standard or something else? I mean u just not yet watch much shit from japan, which is I already knew why, OP himself complain about japan "over act" stuff, but he still watch japan shit, so it is not matter be accept or not by audience, |
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| yeah I agree with semss. Korean actors are over the top but not nearly as much as Japanese actors. I also doubt mdo7 or the topic starter watched much Japanese movies or drama. Both threads seem like generalizations. |
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tsudecimo said: I also doubt mdo7 or the topic starter watched much Japanese movies or drama. Both threads seem like generalizations. Actually if there were more J-dramas and J-films available then I would be able to give more assessment. For J-dramas, they're hard to get when it comes to accessibility. I mean a lot of people on Dramafever complain about the lack of J-dramas on their catalog (the same can be said for Viki, and Crunchyroll). The same can be said about Japanese films. semss said: well beside their sore throat when talking, i don't think korean have much over the top, or exagerated style of acting implied, they sort of have it, but not quite as much as and sometimes obscure compared to japan, so it's not double standard, as for japan the "over" level is very obvious, and can be very awkward I mean u just not yet watch much shit from japan, which is I already knew why, OP himself complain about japan "over act" stuff, but he still watch japan shit, so it is not matter be accept or not by audience, Well I'm not sure, I've been watching K-dramas (including some daily dramas) and talked with K-dramas fans online, they agreed that maybe half of the time, K-drama acting can be a bit over the top, sometime maybe more then their Japanese counterpart yet they still get accepted (the same can be said about Taiwanese dramas). I'm telling you this is the case of "if it's not Korean or Taiwanese, then we will not accept it" mentality. That's the same reason why K-pop get accepted and J-pop doesn't. Do both of you know what "makjang" is? It's something that Korean dramas story/plot-line have a weird habit of. There was a controversy over this one daily K-drama. It can be just as annoying as a Japanese actors/actresses putting on a ridiculous acting in a J-drama or J-film. Not every K-dramas are good, the makjang can turn off some people but for odd reason, there are international fans that accept makjang dramas over a Japanese person "over-acting". So how could the makjang dramas in K-drama got internationally accepted over a Japanese actors/actresses's exaggerated acting? Again, this makes me wonder if double standard or some form of bias exist when it comes to Japanese and Korean content. |
mdo7 said: Well I'm not sure, I've been watching K-dramas (including some daily dramas) and talked with K-dramas fans online, they agreed that maybe half of the time, K-drama acting can be a bit over the top, sometime maybe more then their Japanese counterpart yet they still get accepted (the same can be said about Taiwanese dramas). I'm telling you this is the case of "if it's not Korean or Taiwanese, then we will not accept it" mentality. That's the same reason why K-pop get accepted and J-pop doesn't. Do both of you know what "makjang" is? It's something that Korean dramas story/plot-line have a weird habit of. There was a controversy over this one daily K-drama. It can be just as annoying as a Japanese actors/actresses putting on a ridiculous acting in a J-drama or J-film. Not every K-dramas are good, the makjang can turn off some people but for odd reason, there are international fans that accept makjang dramas over a Japanese person "over-acting". So how could the makjang dramas in K-drama got internationally accepted over a Japanese actors/actresses's exaggerated acting? Again, this makes me wonder if double standard or some form of bias exist when it comes to Japanese and Korean content. myself said: OP himself complain about japan "over act" stuff, but he still watch japan shit, so it is not matter be accept or not by audience, So to be clear, it's not about accept or not to be accepted, lot of ppl complain here (even me honestly still found the awkwardness) but still profound watch j-stuff Also @mdo7, u're clearly not yet watch many japan shit, those makjang is just micro compare to japanese obscurnity, just bcoz random foreign found it bit anomali with mainstream k-drama scenery it tied their counterpart in japan(and hell what I read and see just plot plot, narrative, where the act?? o.O) Want me to put in miike movie like happines of katakuri or visitor Q?? Just reading the synopsis, it hurt my stomach Or want me to put it down sinya tsukamoto movie?? Sion sono?? Well even for sample is pointless bcoz u're not have access |
karambiaMar 25, 2016 10:42 AM
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As I said, if we had more content from Japan, then I can be able to give a better assessment. Right now, we only have quite a few and not enough to give a good assessment about Japanese acting. I can give a good assessment on Korean and Taiwanese drama acting because we have plenty of their dramas (as in it's more accessible compared to J-dramas). So if Japan make more of their dramas and films available online to international audiences like their Korean and Taiwanese counterpart, then I can give a better assessment of Japanese acting. |
mdo7 said: well that's why I want to understand ur circumstances there,As I said, if we had more content from Japan, then I can be able to give a better assessment. Right now, we only have quite a few and not enough to give a good assessment about Japanese acting. I can give a good assessment on Korean and Taiwanese drama acting because we have plenty of their dramas (as in it's more accessible compared to J-dramas). So if Japan make more of their dramas and films available online to international audiences like their Korean and Taiwanese counterpart, then I can give a better assessment of Japanese acting. and to me from what I see, "acting" category, many occasion it's just matter of preference, lot of movies, dramas, whether it's from my local, or asian(korean, taiwan, japan, india),or west, many have "bad" or wooden acting, or over the top style of acting, but many still accepted by audiences and found success *at least that what I feel and thought, as me here not have professional "certification", just judge by experience watch lot of stuff |
karambiaMar 25, 2016 11:09 AM
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| Glad I'm not the only who think like that. I also always felt they over react just like in anime. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| If you watched any of Japanese traditional theater you would know ITs just a matter of a different acting school. Its no different how British actor are a lot more theatrical and use improv real more grounded behavior, while american actors have tons of glamour makeup and far more "refined" style of behavior. But far more complex than that in this case. Its a gross over-generalization to claim its "over-acting". |
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dariken said: Can't speak for Korean dramas, don't watch them. Over-acting in Chinese dramas exists, but is nowhere near the level of Japanese dramas where it's endemic. There has been one Taiwanese drama I watched which was very close to Japanese habits, bad one too, called "Who's The One?". Almost. And that's most extreme case I know. Check it out if you dare. It's in Viki. Can you last one episode? I would recommend watching K-dramas. It might help you to see how the acting is, and for comparison purpose. Thanks for recommending me the Taiwanese drama, I'll add that to my list whenever I have the time. dariken said: mdo7 said: As I said, if we had more content from Japan, then I can be able to give a better assessment. Right now, we only have quite a few and not enough to give a good assessment about Japanese acting. I think Crunchyroll, Viki and Nyaa have plenty to choose from. All the best and high profile ones get subbed quickly. And here is the thing: those are the only Japanese series I watch. Best rated and high profile ones. The problem is even though we have some, it's not enough I need at least maybe 50+ or more J-dramas in order for me to give a proper assessment and analysis on J-dramas. Also I need critically acclaimed J-dramas on Dramafever, Viki, and Crunchyroll. I mean we don't even have this drama on any legal streaming site:  The reason I can give a good assessment on K-dramas and Taiwanese dramas acting because I watch a lot of them. Also the thing that suck is that J-dramas don't have a real dedicated websites like dramabeans, Kdramastars, and Hancinema. That's how I know which K-dramas to look for and Dramabeans give a lot of critical analysis for K-dramas, something I don't see in J-dramas and Taiwanese dramas. I mean I never seen Japan doing something like this: Yeah, that's how I know which dramas from South Korea to look out for and even though Taiwan doesn't have anything similar, at least Taiwan are making their TV dramas accessible. But for J-dramas, I don't see anything like I mention above. Now you see what I'm trying to point out. @semss @tsudecimo |
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SchnickelFritz said: I've seen my fair share of makjang k-dramas, and I wouldn't compare them. It's a.. different kind of exaggerated, most of which can be blamed on the scriptwriters rather than the actors. Well that maybe true, but how do we know this doesn't exist in J-dramas too. Maybe the "makjang" syndrome can exist outside of Korea. I mean some international fans that have watched Taiwanese dramas have describe some TW dramas as makjang, so maybe makjang exist in J-dramas too. Also we don't have a big fanbase for J-dramas compared to K-dramas so there's no way if anyone can do a "makjang" comparison between J-dramas and K-dramas. |
dariken said: tsudecimo said: I also doubt mdo7 or the topic starter watched much Japanese movies or drama. Both threads seem like generalizations. Not this shit again. I very much know what I'm talking about, thank you very much. Drop it. Doubt it. You are the same guy that posted a still picture to comment on the quality of movies, so excuse my skepticism. Out of curiously how many movies or drama did you watch to speak with such authority on the state of the Japanese movie industry and J-dramas? seems like the equivalent of those that watch 20 anime, and make a thread about it on how the industry is declined or bad. |
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dariken said: Korea doesn't interest me, so I see no reason to watch their dramas. China for tuhao and plan-b, Japan for kawaii animu grills and melodrama, Korea for.....? You're not open-minded to other Asian pop culture, are you? dariken said: We discussed their industry problem in movie thread. You seem real dedicated otaku on this subject, nice! Maybe we should setup research group on why Japanese movie AND drama industry doesn't ganbare very sugoi globally and submit research paper haha. Well, I just do investigation and just come up with my own conclusion. I really wish there was a dream job for me to analyze the Korean Wave, I hope that World association for Hallyu studies can grow. dariken said: Oh and that taiwan drama is really bad. I only recommended it so you can see what I consider extreme in bad quality and over-acting over there. For really good chinkshit watch "Love me if you dare". Try watching this drama: Autumn's Concerto This one is probably my favorite TW drama out of all the one I've watched. |
tsudecimo said: Out of curiously how many movies or drama did you watch to speak with such authority on the state of the Japanese movie industry and J-dramas? seems like the equivalent of those that watch 20 anime, and make a thread about it on how the industry is declined or bad. The problem is accessibility, I mean there's a lot of Japanese films coming out in Japan but almost 90% of them never see a US release. I mean Dramafever, Viki, Asian Crush, and Crunchyroll don't pick up (or pick up quite a few) Japanese films. The same can be said about J-dramas. |
mdo7 said: tsudecimo said: Out of curiously how many movies or drama did you watch to speak with such authority on the state of the Japanese movie industry and J-dramas? seems like the equivalent of those that watch 20 anime, and make a thread about it on how the industry is declined or bad. The problem is accessibility, I mean there's a lot of Japanese films coming out in Japan but almost 90% of them never see a US release. I mean Dramafever, Viki, Asian Crush, and Crunchyroll don't pick up (or pick up quite a few) Japanese films. The same can be said about J-dramas. That's not really relevant to what I'm talking about, he is openly talking about their quality but everything he says is just generalizations, especially in the movie thread. I'm also aware of what you think of it's accessibility, you posted that a couple of times now. I torrent my movies and I can find a lot of them. Same goes for Korean stuff. |
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tsudecimo said: mdo7 said: The problem is accessibility, I mean there's a lot of Japanese films coming out in Japan but almost 90% of them never see a US release. I mean Dramafever, Viki, Asian Crush, and Crunchyroll don't pick up (or pick up quite a few) Japanese films. The same can be said about J-dramas. That's not really relevant to what I'm talking about, he is openly talking about their quality but everything he says is just generalizations, especially in the movie thread. I'm also aware of what you think of it's accessibility, you posted that a couple of times now. I torrent my movies and I can find a lot of them. Same goes for Korean stuff. Well accessibility is the issue. You see when Japanese film companies don't put their stuff up on legal streaming sites it's hard for people and international audiences to give a good assessment of the quality of Japanese media content and this can lead to generalizations of Japanese content. You don't see these generalization for Korean and Taiwanese media because they can access and watch the content, you can't for the Japanese stuff. As I said, if Japan make more of their films and dramas available to international audiences, then these generalization will not happen. I don't torrent the last time I did this, my computer became infected to the point I had to replace it. Also a lot of the Korean stuff are already available online legally. |
mdo7 said: tsudecimo said: That's not really relevant to what I'm talking about, he is openly talking about their quality but everything he says is just generalizations, especially in the movie thread. I'm also aware of what you think of it's accessibility, you posted that a couple of times now. I torrent my movies and I can find a lot of them. Same goes for Korean stuff. Well accessibility is the issue. You see when Japanese film companies don't put their stuff up on legal streaming sites it's hard for people and international audiences to give a good assessment of the quality of Japanese media content and this can lead to generalizations of Japanese content. You don't see these generalization for Korean and Taiwanese media because they can access and watch the content, you can't for the Japanese stuff. As I said, if Japan make more of their films and dramas available to international audiences, then these generalization will not happen. I don't torrent the last time I did this, my computer became infected to the point I had to replace it. Also a lot of the Korean stuff are already available online legally. That still not relevant lol. You may watch your stuff legally but there is a large portion of people around the word that don't. There is practically an online community for any kind of media, and majority of them aren't watching legally. I actually hear a lot of generalizations about K-dramas. Not just on the internet but even here in my country when it airs on TV of people that watched little to nothing. My point is that usually people who generalize stuff are doing it out of ignorance. People that are actually experienced with something don't generalize. |
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tsudecimo said: That still not relevant lol. You may watch your stuff legally but there is a large portion of people around the word that don't. There is practically an online community for any kind of media, and majority of them aren't watching legally. I actually hear a lot of generalizations about K-dramas. Not just on the internet but even here in my country when it airs on TV of people that watched little to nothing. My point is that usually people who generalize stuff are doing it out of ignorance. People that are actually experienced with something don't generalize. Looking at your profile, are you from Sudan? Because if you are I can see why you would torrent, I think I understand better. I lived in the US and I'm kinda lucky. |
dariken said: the word can be as simple as "influencin" @dariken... Fai said: If you watched any of Japanese traditional theater you would know ITs just a matter of a different acting school. That was one of my hypotheses. Care to give example? But I doubt it's the only reason. You pointed out west has its own traditions. But theater stage acting here is very different to movie acting. Are you claiming theater traditions transitioned directly in Japan and hasn't evolved on silverscreen? Can't be. Also many actor(from any country) came from theatre background, And to think where're the talent get train for actin, beside acting school which is lead from theatre... I mean ofc acting for theatre and movie both has differents, but it's not stop thing to influence even if the style itself evolved, or mixed up with more realism style today Sorry i put these again, about seven samurai, as one the first stuff make me think, wtf with the acting.. "I was recently reading the Answer Man column and the question I was drawn to was Greg Burglin's question about the film "Seven Samurai." He noted what he thought was overacting on the part of the Japanese actors. I would respond by saying that it is a difference in acting styles. American and European film acting is heavily influenced by the realist movement of the 19th century as exemplified in theater by the plays of Anton Chekov. The realists wanted their work to portray slices of real life (hence the name) and in theater pushed their actors to act as naturally as possible and still be performing a piece of theater. Japanese films are heavily influenced by Kabuki theater. Kabuki theater as it developed in Edo (modern Tokyo) is known for its stylized dramatic forms, exaggerated make up, and over-the-top performance of characters based on broadly drawn archetypes or stereotypes. It is worth noting that Tokyo based Shochiku, Company, Limited the oldest continually operating film studio in Japan and Akira Kurosawa's employer began in 1895 as a Kabuki theater. So the actors in "Seven Samurai" aren't over acting they are simply acting in the style with which they were most familiar." www.rogerebert.com/letters/why-samurai-overact So like I said the thing is already established and and still influence long before, as we here still found the awkwardness on their entertainment nowaday, |
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dariken said: Fai said: If you watched any of Japanese traditional theater you would know ITs just a matter of a different acting school. Its no different how British actor are a lot more theatrical and use improv real more grounded behavior, while american actors have tons of glamour makeup and far more "refined" style of behavior. But far more complex than that in this case. Its a gross over-generalization to claim its "over-acting". That was one of my hypotheses. Care to give example? But I doubt it's the only reason. You pointed out west has its own traditions. But theater stage acting here is very different to movie acting. Are you claiming theater traditions transitioned directly in Japan and hasn't evolved on silverscreen? Can't be. Again difference between countries. In America, theater and tv actors are VERY different. In Britain, Theater and TV actors are VERY similar and theatrical in both. Some rules differ. With Japan, again, generalization - there are normal tv shows too, but generally tv dramas are basically an offshoot from theatrical performances for them. Japan is very big on preservation of culture. However even normal tv dramas might seem diferent or "over-acted" to people due to culture shock as japanese use quite different social cues to display or deal with certain situations(ex: laughing is a polite to cover nervousness or unease. So you can find out your family got killed in a plane crash and your business associate form japan would try to laugh it off, as an example - for westerners that would seem offensive) AS for example: This is great documentary on basics of the three major theatrical forms(Noh(and Kyogen), Bunraku and Kabuki) of Japan: |
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Reply to cowasake
In my opinion, I think maybe Western style acting is more aimed at realism. Actors in Western movies try to act as close as possible to how people act in real life, and we judge the quality of the acting on how realistic we perceive it to be. But this isn't true in every industry around the world. Bollywood is one example in which the acting style doesn't really follow realism. Likewise, I get the impression that the acting in many Japanese dramas and films are intentionally stylized, and deliberately over the top in terms of expression. On the other hand, you could argue that it only seems less realistic because of the differences in body language between Western people and Japanese people. However, I've lived in Japan and while there are certainly differences in body language, I don't think people in real life behave in any way like actors in Japanese dramas and movies. So I think the japanese acting tradition is just less aimed towards realism than it is in the west. Which can appear to us as bad acting, which it is if you're judging it by the standards of realism, but for Japanese audiences, its possible they actually prefer this more stylized type of acting. For me, however, it does become quite off putting. Especially in emotional moments, the overly dramatized acting often brings me out of the story and prevents me from fully believing the characters and the story. It also can come across as just cringe. But maybe this is just because i'm accustomed to the Western style.
Alternatively, it could have something to do with the tv industry in Japan. I have noticed that some many internationally famous Japanese films have acting that is far more subtle, believable and less melodramatic than the majority of shows and less famous movies. So maybe it's also that the Japanese film and tv industry generally doesn't put as much of a priority on quality acting as European and US shows do. Who knows. It's a shame, because I feel many Jdramas have fallen short of their potential just because of the over-the-top cheesy acting. But then again, maybe Japanese audiences actually like it.
Alternatively, it could have something to do with the tv industry in Japan. I have noticed that some many internationally famous Japanese films have acting that is far more subtle, believable and less melodramatic than the majority of shows and less famous movies. So maybe it's also that the Japanese film and tv industry generally doesn't put as much of a priority on quality acting as European and US shows do. Who knows. It's a shame, because I feel many Jdramas have fallen short of their potential just because of the over-the-top cheesy acting. But then again, maybe Japanese audiences actually like it.
| @cowasake Did you just signed up for MAL just to leave a reply on here. How did you stumble upon this thread? How many years of experience do you have with J-dramas? |
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