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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Nice mermaid outfits girls! :D Anna is Lucy's ancestor eh? And quite the beauty! :D So as expected Layla didn't kill Brandish's mom, directly anyway, Zoldeo you dead bastard...poor girl. :( Have a bad feeling for Natsu...how was he hurt so bad? |
animefan8800Jan 9, 2016 1:19 AM
| Raws are out, huh. So it was a misunderstanding on Brandish's part (of course). Not much happened this chapter. But what's happening to Natsu makes me curious. |
| Dem mermaid outfits lol Does this mean the Celestial Spirit King knows what is happening? Looks like we might have Brandish joining Fairy Tail. Layla really did look exactly like Lucy. |
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| Some much welcome answers. FOr one this is not the permanent return of Aquarius so that is one of my fears appeased. Lucy still has to find the key again Also further explanation about the Eclipse as well as the reason why it went out of control during the GMG. IT was opened from one side. Also this pretty much settles it that there was always ONLY ONE GATE. That end though. Poor Happy and Natsu though now we're gonna be itching with theories bout what Aquarius wanted to say. |
| Those mermaid outfits <3 Brandish's reactions to Aquarius were priceless this chapter. Oh poor Natsu... |
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| So read the translation... and its nice, wonder what did Aquarius wanted to say before she was intrerupted by Happy... Zoldeo later becomes 'bad' so Layla's death was the cause of that huh. |
Darklight0303 said: Some much welcome answers. FOr one this is not the permanent return of Aquarius so that is one of my fears appeased. Lucy still has to find the key again Also further explanation about the Eclipse as well as the reason why it went out of control during the GMG. IT was opened from one side. Also this pretty much settles it that there was always ONLY ONE GATE. That end though. Poor Happy and Natsu though now we're gonna be itching with theories bout what Aquarius wanted to say. Yeah, its a bit too convinient for the key to be restored right after 1 year... but it does makes sense, pretty sure in the past other keys got broken, hence some of them you find in different places so it makes sense. Just the 1 year stuff is convinient. |
metsujinJan 9, 2016 11:33 AM
| I guess I'll accept Aquarious coming back...but honestly meh LucyxBrandish is my new OTP of the series. Don't give a shit about anything else |
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metsujin said: Darklight0303 said: Some much welcome answers. FOr one this is not the permanent return of Aquarius so that is one of my fears appeased. Lucy still has to find the key again Also further explanation about the Eclipse as well as the reason why it went out of control during the GMG. IT was opened from one side. Also this pretty much settles it that there was always ONLY ONE GATE. That end though. Poor Happy and Natsu though now we're gonna be itching with theories bout what Aquarius wanted to say. Yeah, its a bit too convinient for the key to be restored right after 1 year... but it does makes sense, pretty sure in the past other keys got broken, hence some of them you find in different places so it makes sense. Just the 1 year stuff is convinient. Remember CSK said he'd fought Marde in the past. Meaning at some point during the past, a key was destroyed to summon him and yet present day all of the 12 keys exist |
Darklight0303 said: metsujin said: Yeah, its a bit too convinient for the key to be restored right after 1 year... but it does makes sense, pretty sure in the past other keys got broken, hence some of them you find in different places so it makes sense. Just the 1 year stuff is convinient. Remember CSK said he'd fought Marde in the past. Meaning at some point during the past, a key was destroyed to summon him and yet present day all of the 12 keys exist Yea, as I said the revival makes sense, the 1 year thing bothered me that's all, I accepted the fact that Luffy had to rest for 10 minutes to regain his hakki, I can accept this too. |
| Okay so this is a theory, seen some people discussing about this. So we know Igneel and the rest of the dragons sealed themselves inside their 'children' to stop the dragonification process. They called 'em antibodies, so my guess is, what if the magic that Natsu stored up from Igneel was this so called 'antibodies', so with them gone he can transform into a dragon... Because this is a world based on magic, and the mages bodies are like a bottle who are filled with magic, it's only natural that what Igneel and the other dragons used to stop the dragonification is... magic. |
| An ok chapter i guess. The Aquarius-Brandish relationship was kinda funny, but that's pretty much it. Let's just see what will happen next. |
allenjkeJan 9, 2016 12:47 PM
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| Lol Brandish is so submissive towards Aquarius. So Layla had to use her own magic to help open the eclipse gate and fell ill. Zoldio is the one who actually killed Gramy. Looks like Natsu needs help. |
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Ophis said: That's more believable that Lucy has to find the key now. I do wonder though, this seems like the last arc but that also sounded like it was setting up a later arc with her going to find it. Maybe the war will be interrupted and put on hold? Possbily be the 'Restoring Natsu's humanity arc', he could awaken his E.N.D. form and go on a rampage... or might turn into a dragon and lose control of shit and travel the continent (like Acnologia does). |
| so Brandish may turn to the good side after all, and damn Aquarius has more to say but they are interrupted by Happy, but welp Natsu looks in danger anyway and also glad they explain how Aquarius exist again, so her new key is just recently formed, i wonder if Lucy will look for it |
| - The most predictable outcome to Brandish story. Yay for face heel turn that feels completely undeserved. Well I guess Brandish was treated like trash the whole arc so oh well. - Completely and utterly disappointing Layla backstory. What the hell was that? Seriously Mashima? You made us wait 468 chapters for crappy reason of death like that? - New Aquarius Key just randomly appearing int he world completely and utterly destroys any sort of consequences or emotional weight behind her sacrifice in Tartaros and undoes Lucy's character development. GOD DAMNIT. First Gray's completely disappointing whitewashing in "Avatar" arc, now this. Will every single consequence of tartaros get erased via completely shitty writing? - Completely troll ending. Natsu's just hungry ain't he? I Fully expect shit like this now. Thanks Mashima. Annnd the manga rating gets droped one more point for me. This arc is such a massive disappointing mess so far. Such a contrast with Tartaros arc quality writing. Everything feels forced and completely and utterly random. What the hell happened, Mashima? Even Grand Magic Games did not feel this awful. |
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Fai said: - The most predictable outcome to Brandish story. Yay for face heel turn that feels completely undeserved. Well I guess Brandish was treated like trash the whole arc so oh well. - Completely and utterly disappointing Layla backstory. What the hell was that? Seriously Mashima? You made us wait 468 chapters for crappy reason of death like that? - Completely troll ending. Natsu's just hungry ain't he? I Fully expect shit like this now. Thanks Mashima. Annnd the manga rating gets droped one more point for me. This arc is such a massive disappointing mess so far. Such a contrast with Tartaros arc quality writing. Everything feels forced and completely and utterly random. What the hell happened, Mashima? Even Grand Magic Games did not feel this awful. How is Layla giving up her life for the greater good lame? |
metsujin said: Fai said: - The most predictable outcome to Brandish story. Yay for face heel turn that feels completely undeserved. Well I guess Brandish was treated like trash the whole arc so oh well. - Completely and utterly disappointing Layla backstory. What the hell was that? Seriously Mashima? You made us wait 468 chapters for crappy reason of death like that? - Completely troll ending. Natsu's just hungry ain't he? I Fully expect shit like this now. Thanks Mashima. Annnd the manga rating gets droped one more point for me. This arc is such a massive disappointing mess so far. Such a contrast with Tartaros arc quality writing. Everything feels forced and completely and utterly random. What the hell happened, Mashima? Even Grand Magic Games did not feel this awful. How is Layla giving up her life for the greater good lame? Its completely and utterly predictable. Her death was one of THE biggest mysteries of fairy tail ever since it was first brought up. Its something fans wondered and specualted about. Layla was a figure shrouded in mystery. An enigma. And yet in the end, 400 chapters latter, that became nothing but a pisspoor plot device for Natsu plotline. There's no mystery in the end. No pay off. She literally died as an afterthought to explain Natsu being from 400 years ago. It does ZIP for Lucy's development, which is complete and utter contrast with how Natsu's search for Igneel impacted the story. It literally feels like "Oh I forgot to write about this" afterthought. |
AhenshihaelJan 9, 2016 2:05 PM
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Fai said: metsujin said: How is Layla giving up her life for the greater good lame? Its completely and utterly predictable. Her death was one of THE biggest mysteries of fairy tail ever since it was first brought up. Its something fans wondered and specualted about. Layla was a figure shrouded in mystery. An enigma. And yet in the end, 400 chapters latter, that became nothing but a pisspoor plot device for Natsu plotline. There's no mystery in the end. No pay off. She literally died as an afterthought to explain Natsu being from 400 years ago. It does ZIP for Lucy's development, which is complete and utter contrast with how Natsu's search for Igneel impacted the story. Did you predict this from the start? If so bravo. Seriously Mashima let hints here and there to what happened to Layla and why she died. This was always the mystery of FT, the x777 stuff and how it all tied in together. Each character played a small part in the grand scheme of things. |
metsujin said: Did you predict this from the start? If so bravo. Seriously Mashima let hints here and there to what happened to Layla and why she died. This was always the mystery of FT, the x777 stuff and how it all tied in together. Each character played a small part in the grand scheme of things. No. Sadly at the start of the story(till avatar arc) I still expected good things from this story and the story treated women well enough for me to NOT expect something as problematic or poorly written as this concept. Nobody would predict crap like this because they expected Layla to matter or have a story. She did not. She literally was a plot device to explain Natsu being 400 years old. ITs hilarious how horribly this contrasts with Tartaros arc in anime that just ended and Zero that just started. What happened Mashima? You literally shit the bed since Avatar and are not even trying to clean up. In fact you simply drank a whole bottle of laxatives right now. |
AhenshihaelJan 9, 2016 2:14 PM
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| I called Aquarius' clearing things up, last chapter~ As for the Natsu thing at the end, holy shit. Could Zeref possibly have gotten his ass kicked, or something have happened to E.N.D.'s tome? |
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Fai said: metsujin said: Did you predict this from the start? If so bravo. Seriously Mashima let hints here and there to what happened to Layla and why she died. This was always the mystery of FT, the x777 stuff and how it all tied in together. Each character played a small part in the grand scheme of things. No. Sadly at the start of the story(till avatar arc) I still expected good things from this story and the story treated women well enough for me to NOT expect something as problematic or poorly written as this concept. What were you exactly expecting from Layla? Some kinda badass Erza version of a celestial spirit? In terms of raw power she never was strong, she was portrayed as a 'princess' type of character, so to say. Frail body, bad health... the way I see it, she did this for her family, and daughter so that she could have a good future, that's kinda the whole point of those people's plan. Layla was a strong person. |
metsujin said: Fai said: No. Sadly at the start of the story(till avatar arc) I still expected good things from this story and the story treated women well enough for me to NOT expect something as problematic or poorly written as this concept. What were you exactly expecting from Layla? Some kinda badass Erza version of a celestial spirit? In terms of raw power she never was strong, she was portrayed as a 'princess' type of character, so to say. Frail body, bad health... the way I see it, she did this for her family, and daughter so that she could have a good future, that's kinda the whole point of those people's plan. Natsu's meeting with Igneel ignited the END plot and was a turning point fo rhis character. Very emotional moment. Gray's Deliora plot led him to Urtear and then to his father and then to his current END obsessioN(even if huge part of it was whitewashed). Lucy's dead mother...I guess got Natsu to present and thats it? GG Mashima. One of the three is not like the others.Just a let down. Horribly written after thought. Can you guess which? Oh just the one which out of the three had the biggest mystery. Layla was always portrayed as someone great. Aquarius kept saying Lucy is nowhere near like Layla. And everyone knows that "sick people" are the most badass in anime/manga. And people expected there to be a REASON on why she was sick in the first place. Her death, the Celestial Wizard connection to Zeref, Lucy being compared to her, etc - people kept expecting thta just like with Gray and Natsu plotlines there is something more. But nope. APpears there's not. She WAS just a sick frail waifu who got fridged just so based Natsu plotline and based Gray plotline could make sense. For a protagonist, Lucy and her story got treated like a freaking extra sidecharacter. |
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| Mashima... He can't even break a fucking key :/ Meh i'm wondering what happened to Natsu, meybe when Igneel SSJ power burned out Natsu's life energy was shorten or something like that |
| Dam I wanted to know what Aquarius wanted to say. Guess Miss Brandish might be joining Fairy Tail. |
Fai said: metsujin said: What were you exactly expecting from Layla? Some kinda badass Erza version of a celestial spirit? In terms of raw power she never was strong, she was portrayed as a 'princess' type of character, so to say. Frail body, bad health... the way I see it, she did this for her family, and daughter so that she could have a good future, that's kinda the whole point of those people's plan. Natsu's meeting with Igneel ignited the END plot and was a turning point fo rhis character. Very emotional moment. Gray's Deliora plot led him to Urtear and then to his father and then to his current END obsessioN(even if huge part of it was whitewashed). Lucy's dead mother...I guess got Natsu to present and thats it? GG Mashima. One of the three is not like the others.Just a let down. Horribly written after thought. Can you guess which? Oh just the one which out of the three had the biggest mystery. Layla was always portrayed as someone great. Aquarius kept saying Lucy is nowhere near like Layla. And everyone knows that "sick people" are the most badass in anime/manga. And people expected there to be a REASON on why she was sick in the first place. She was a great person, and what Aquarius said about her is true. She was good to her spirits too, AND she wasn't afraid to sacrifice her own life. Because with Acnologia in the picture there's no future for them. |
metsujin said: She was a great person, and what Aquarius said about her is true. She was good to her spirits too, AND she wasn't afraid to sacrifice her own life. Yes. What a great sacrificial lamb. Based Layla making sure we can get more pointless scene of Lucy bathing with cat ears. Because that's all there is left foor Lucy now - being Natsu's support/loveinterest and fanservice. Gray is b usy being emo about end. Natsu has a complicated family history unveil on him. Lucy got a bath and a reveal that her own backstory and mysteries were never her own - it was just part of Natsu's. Because with Acnologia in the picture there's no future for them. Which is yet again about Natsu and means zip to Lucy. YAYAAY?... |
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Fai said: metsujin said: She was a great person, and what Aquarius said about her is true. She was good to her spirits too, AND she wasn't afraid to sacrifice her own life. Yes. What a great sacrificial lamb. Based Layla making sure we can get more pointless scene of Lucy bathing with cat ears. Because with Acnologia in the picture there's no future for them. Which is yet again about Natsu and means zip to Lucy. YAYAAY?... I'm not gonna bother anymore. |
Zinzoo said: Mashima... He can't even break a fucking key :/ Meh i'm wondering what happened to Natsu, meybe when Igneel SSJ power burned out Natsu's life energy was shorten or something like that I really hope that state is the beginning of him dragonizing. I can't see how else he could get a power-up strong enough to make him viable in a fight against Zeref/Acnologia/The stronger spriggans. |
| MFW, I keep thinking how if FT had no lowpoints(This arc, avatar, GMG, etc, every dumb trolling outcome, etc), it could legit be 8/10 material. The world is interesting, the darker moments are great, the foreshadowing is brilliant, the gray morality moments are great, the big plot twists are great. But Sadly for every Mavis backstory, there's a Layla "backstory". For every Tartaros Arc, there's an Avatar "arc", GMG or this mess... For every brilliant foreshadowing(ex: Oracion Seis, END, etc), there's a "Oh I was an evil dick and awful person to Juvia because Erza asked me to". For every genuinelly well pulled off moment, there's "Because She's Erza". For Every awesome fight there's "let's use tomorrow's share of magic!" And for every dark and genuinely thrilling gamechanger, there's Urtear retconing everything away. Why Mashima, why? Why can't you stay consistent in quality and make this into a Rave successor we need? Zalmox1s said: Zinzoo said: Mashima... He can't even break a fucking key :/ Meh i'm wondering what happened to Natsu, meybe when Igneel SSJ power burned out Natsu's life energy was shorten or something like that I really hope that state is the beginning of him dragonizing. I can't see how else he could get a power-up strong enough to make him viable in a fight against Zeref/Acnologia/The stronger spriggans. He will gain infinite magic when Lucy confesses her love for him :^) |
AhenshihaelJan 9, 2016 2:39 PM
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| I really don't give a shit about lucy and her mother, just give Gray more screen time. |
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Lucasloco91 said: I really don't give a shit about lucy and her mother, just give Gray more screen time. Hahahahahahah fuck no |
| Natsu is an critical state and Aquarius need to tell Lucy something, but will she wont get the time, will she. |
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| <3 Brandish x Lucy <3 Mermaids :O The past was sad I guess, one or both of them will use their own mana to activate or close something later on just like Anna did. |
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| I expected to be a story that wouldn't reveal anything in particular other than Brandish misunderstanding stuff. Still,, I'm very conflicted about this chapter. On the one hand I really liked how that unimportant Zoldio who felt completely out of the blue is now a bit more relevant through his actions. On the other hand as Fai said Layla's death cause was very anti-climatic. I mean if this is a fantasy manga and you need to satisfy the "rules" (12 keys) in order to "fulfill" the prophecy(Eclipse gate) explanations like "giving away magic" (even at the cost of one's life) feels off, convenient and takes away the importance of the "important" objects (in this case the keys). And one final question that I presume to be reasonable..............if Aquarius knew all this WHY THE FK DIDN'T SHE SAY ALL THOSE THINGS BEFOREHAND like "Oh yeah, Zeref is a friend of the dragons and keep an eye out for Acnologia etc etc". I still don't see the reason behind all this secrecy from the mains....aaaanyway. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Here we go again.. Hiro is going backwards not forwards. Didn't like where Brandish's character went. It felt the entire subplot of Brandish-Layla was just a misunderstanding to have Brandish join the guild. Obviously which was unnecessary. Could've made then rivals and went from there. Layla's backstory could've been more in depth. I agree with Fai that Hiro didn't see the opportunity. If anything it would've been more interesting if Layla made contact with other dragons who sided with the humans. Befriending them and plotting to stop Acno. I do like however that Anna and Lucy are connected. So hopefully that could be new development for Lucy and hopefully the situation with Natsu as well. Other than that Tartaros and Phantom Lord reign supreme |
| Two Spriggans buried, ten to go. Also, I'm sure Hiro was hoping we'd be two distracted by the thought of a bikini-clad woman on all fours acting like a dog to notice, but isn't the implication here that this is how Aquarius treated a...what, ten year old child this way? No wonder she treated Marin like dogshit. Also what the fuck is your problem, Aquarius? With Lucy it kinda made sense since she saw her a a sort of Replacement Scrappy for Layla, but what was her beef with Brandish, who she apparently treated even worse? I kinda wish we get another Layla flashback so we could see what their relationship was like. |
AllenNoahJan 9, 2016 7:22 PM
Trentor11 said: And before I get bashed I'm a fan of this series and geniually loved Tartaros and FT Zero but now Hiro is undoing his work I dunno why you think you'd get bashed, most here either seem to agree with you or would go further in their complaints. Personally I'm fine with the chapter, but I'd say your opinion appears to be in the majority. Here anyway. |
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