alexwer123 said: nocorras said: Come up with an actual counter argument. Other than "1:1 adaptation and perfect adaptation" That is the argument, the adaptation is flawed because it misses some porn scenes and a couple things the production staff obvious didn't think the show needed? I'm pretty damn sure you people aren't in charge of the adaptation so your whining is useless. So basically you think you know what your'e talking about and haven't actually read the arguments here. And from the sounds of it you haven't read the source either, so there's that. The argument isn't about missing scenes at all. |
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| the salt runs fast and free 'round here... |
fst said: the salt runs fast and free 'round here... That's for sure. |
alexwer123 said: fst said: the salt runs fast and free 'round here... That's for sure. Salt = calling out 2 strawmans that don't address the issue. |
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nocorras said: alexwer123 said: That's for sure. Salt = calling out 2 strawmans that don't address the issue. I don't know about you, but all I see going on here is  |
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Maloghurst said: MightyM16 said: it doesnt really need to be full on monologues. that's too much. him giving his open opinion of her...should only take a couple of lines. Rin has gotten quite a bit of this in the prologue and at points were the show focuses on her. on shirou's end though it feels just a little one sided. yes he's shown to have the hots for her. but the humanization is lacking more in shirou than in Rin.Shirou gave his opinions on Rin in his monologues which would be likely impossible to adapt without breaking the pace Just watch season 1 again there was plenty of build up/ tension between the two of them, granted UBW has less focus on romance than Fate and HF This is just your perception, I think we received few monologues and insight from Shirou because unlike the VN we are not inside his head so it can't be helped. I feel Shirou's thoughts about Rin would derail a bit of the whole feel the anime tried to give itself, a feel more like that of Fate/Zero, and it can't be helped Ufo is trying to replicate this feel because F/Z was a success I think that even without Shirou's thoughts on our face, their relationship was well done and its development is not even over yet to have a full analysis about it |
MightyM16 said: ya know everyone is really really bubbly about the back to back scene, myself included. some things really just can't be helped. i've been saying this since the last cour. it's good..but it feels like it needs just a little bit more. just enough was shaved off to be bothersome. it's pretty bothersome that the director said he didn't have enough content to fill out the second cour but then shaves the scenes and lessen characterization in exchange for fanservice. this shit is nowhere near as bad as oblivion recorder. but still there is shit like the temple fight were shirou deliberately dodged a fatal blow from archer, yes they animated him kicking himself off the rock but there is nothing in regards to him "feeling it coming" aside from a brief throwaway line in the previous episode "i can feel your hostility"Maloghurst said: it doesnt really need to be full on monologues. that's too much. him giving his open opinion of her...should only take a couple of lines. Rin has gotten quite a bit of this in the prologue and at points were the show focuses on her. on shirou's end though it feels just a little one sided. yes he's shown to have the hots for her. but the humanization is lacking more in shirou than in Rin. I think this is just your perception, I think we received few monologues and insight from Shirou because unlike the VN we are not inside his head so it can't be helped. I feel Shirou's thoughts about Rin would derail a bit of the whole feel the anime tried to give itself, a feel more like that of Fate/Zero, and it can't be helped I think that even without Shirou's thoughts on our face, their relationship was well done and its development is not even over yet |
MaloghurstApr 5, 2015 7:51 PM
Maloghurst said: MightyM16 said: ya know everyone is really really bubbly about the back to back scene, myself included. some things really just can't be helped. i've been saying this since the last cour. it's good..but it feels like it needs just a little bit more. just enough was shaved off to be bothersome. it's pretty bothersome that the director said he didn't have enough content to fill out the second cour but then shaves the scenes and lessen characterization in exchange for fanservice. this shit is nowhere near as bad as oblivion recorder. but still there is shit like the temple fight were shirou deliberately dodged a fatal blow from archer, yes they animated him kicking himself off the rock but there is nothing in regards to him "feeling it coming" aside from a brief throwaway line in the previous episode "i can feel your hostility"I think this is just your perception, I think we received few monologues and insight from Shirou because unlike the VN we are not inside his head so it can't be helped. I feel Shirou's thoughts about Rin would derail a bit of the whole feel the anime tried to give itself, a feel more like that of Fate/Zero, and it can't be helped I think that even without Shirou's thoughts on our face, their relationship was well done and its development is not even over yet last time i checked he said that the important/relevant scenes will NOT left out, but there already many people spreading misinformation about what Miura said, some just lie or distort about it, other think that /a/ is a good source of information. |
alexwer123 said: Maloghurst said: again with the "exactly like the source material" bullshit argunents. so what your saying is it would be terrible to have the flashback of kiritsugu telling projection magic is useless OR maybe add the toolshed scene BEFORE shirou starts pulling swords out of his ass? So you're gonna nitpick every detail that doesn't make it into a production? I don't know if you fanboys realize but there are episode time constraints and a budget that needs to be realized. If you want "perfect" stick to your beloved VN. Yeah it was time much better spent with eating scenes ayy lmao |
| They failed to show the mechanics of magic, which I consider to be of paramount importance. While character interactions are important as well, I wish to know what exactly the characters' options are, and I want to see them think of what to do next, and how to apply their knowledge of magic to solve their problems. Unfortunately, I am not familiar with the source material (the VN), so in my view, new magical spells arise whenever convenient to the plot. I won't deny the marked improvements in the visuals and the characterization department (as compared to the 2006 version). Still, the lack of explanation for the supernatural elements is the biggest failure of this adaptation. |
supracseduch said: They failed to show the mechanics of magic, which I consider to be of paramount importance. While character interactions are important as well, I wish to know what exactly the characters' options are, and I want to see them think of what to do next, and how to apply their knowledge of magic to solve their problems. Unfortunately, I am not familiar with the source material (the VN), so in my view, new magical spells arise whenever convenient to the plot. I won't deny the marked improvements in the visuals and the characterization department (as compared to the 2006 version). Still, the lack of explanation for the supernatural elements is the biggest failure of this adaptation. Do you want a brief explanation of the magical powers. Point of specific ones you want to know about. Rin's gems in the anime are all asspulls though |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
supracseduch said: They failed to show the mechanics of magic, which I consider to be of paramount importance. While character interactions are important as well, I wish to know what exactly the characters' options are, and I want to see them think of what to do next, and how to apply their knowledge of magic to solve their problems. Unfortunately, I am not familiar with the source material (the VN), so in my view, new magical spells arise whenever convenient to the plot. I won't deny the marked improvements in the visuals and the characterization department (as compared to the 2006 version). Still, the lack of explanation for the supernatural elements is the biggest failure of this adaptation. The worldbuilding and infodump was supposed to be brought up on Fate route tho Not only is Ufo seems to be considering F/0 as kind of an alternate Fate route to UBW, but the Fate route is being given for free in Japan and Ufo is encouraging anime watchers to read it. So really there is no "helping" about the lack of explanation |
| Yeah it's official, this anime is mainly for VN readers. |
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GARBrotato said: Yeah it's official, this anime is mainly for VN readers. Especially if a certain flashback is true and they don't explain anything. Haven't explained Shirou's magic at all really. |
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GARBrotato said: Yeah it's official, this anime is mainly for VN readers. Oh well, all the better for us to enjoy, I suppose. Elite anime and whatnot :3 |
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| I wonder how they will do HF now though. I mean if they are giving out Fate for free and expect whoever watches UBW to at least have read it, will HF be adapted in a similar manner? |
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GARBrotato said: I wonder how they will do HF now though. I mean if they are giving out Fate for free and expect whoever watches UBW to at least have read it, will HF be adapted in a similar manner? I think they will try to give HF some more references to zero |
GARBrotato said: I wonder how they will do HF now though. I mean if they are giving out Fate for free and expect whoever watches UBW to at least have read it, will HF be adapted in a similar manner? They'll expect us to know Saber's backstory, I suppose. And they won't show Bellerophon until the Alter cavern scene. |
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| Eh, I got really pissed at the back-to-back scene with Shirou and Rin. Dunno, that was one of my favorite moments of the VN, it felt like they could only trust each other after having been betrayed, it felt like they were alone in the world and whatnot. In the anime, unfortunately I didn't feel that, plus no Ever Present Feeling either... |
TenYasha said: Eh, I got really pissed at the back-to-back scene with Shirou and Rin. Dunno, that was one of my favorite moments of the VN, it felt like they could only trust each other after having been betrayed, it felt like they were alone in the world and whatnot. In the anime, unfortunately I didn't feel that, plus no Ever Present Feeling either... Welcome to the Where's-muh-EPF Club. We got Sorrow remix instead of EPF remix... >_> |
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OneTrueEmiya said: TenYasha said: Eh, I got really pissed at the back-to-back scene with Shirou and Rin. Dunno, that was one of my favorite moments of the VN, it felt like they could only trust each other after having been betrayed, it felt like they were alone in the world and whatnot. In the anime, unfortunately I didn't feel that, plus no Ever Present Feeling either... Welcome to the Where's-muh-EPF Club. We got Sorrow remix instead of EPF remix... >_> SOPV instead of Emiya And Myth Revived where SOPV should play This illusion instrumental instead of This Illusion Piano Lets go |
Insertanamehere said: OneTrueEmiya said: Welcome to the Where's-muh-EPF Club. We got Sorrow remix instead of EPF remix... >_> SOPV instead of Emiya And Myth Revived where SOPV should play This illusion instrumental instead of This Illusion Piano Lets go EPF instead of Mighty Wind Golden King instead of Light and Darkness Keep it coming |
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| I mean at this point, I don't even expect to hear Emiya LOL |
TenYasha said: I mean at this point, I don't even expect to hear Emiya LOL inb4 the fight is to the strong plays during Answer scene cuz callback to Zero |
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OneTrueEmiya said: TenYasha said: I mean at this point, I don't even expect to hear Emiya LOL inb4 the fight is to the strong plays during Answer scene cuz callback to Zero inb4 that plays while Gil is performing surgery |
Grapekiwi said: OneTrueEmiya said: inb4 the fight is to the strong plays during Answer scene cuz callback to Zero inb4 that plays while Gil is performing surgery inb4 emiya plays when Shinji |
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| Nah, Emiya will play during |
TenYasha said: Nah, Emiya will play during And the end credits. |
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| And then New Dawn will play during |
TenYasha said: And then New Dawn will play during Then Whirlpool of Fate will play during |
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| Uhm which track is SOPV? <.< Damn abbreviations... |
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GARBrotato said: Uhm which track is SOPV? <.< Damn abbreviations... Sword of Promised Victory~ |
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| SOPV plays during raw ass vs gay bulge in the VN. I wonder what epic music we will get in the anime. |
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nocorras said: SOPV plays during raw ass vs gay bulge in the VN. I wonder what epic music we will get in the anime. Sorrow. |
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nocorras said: SOPV plays during raw ass vs gay bulge in the VN. I wonder what epic music we will get in the anime. EMIYA is a must have if the adaptation doesn't have it I will go t the side of the UFO UBW haters :p |
TenYasha said: And then New Dawn will play during How Cute. You still believe we are getting either of those fights? |
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CookingPriest said: TenYasha said: And then New Dawn will play during How Cute. You still believe we are getting either of those fights? ikr, it's going to be |
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CookingPriest said: TenYasha said: And then New Dawn will play during How Cute. You still believe we are getting either of those fights? going by OP |
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chat77 said: CookingPriest said: How Cute. You still believe we are getting either of those fights? going by OP Nah, that's |
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| Nah guys, Ufo has all of this planned, they will change it so that Archer is actually Irisviel, so then we'll get Irisviel vs Ilya. |
TenYasha said: Nah guys, Ufo has all of this planned, they will change it so that Archer is actually Irisviel, so then we'll get Irisviel vs Ilya. I thought Archer's Kiritsugu? |
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| *reads all "predictions"* All of you. Get out. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Aurioch said: *reads all "predictions"* All of you. Get out. |
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| If Iri is Archer.....................THEN WHO WAS PHONE Kek, jokes aside we better get Emiya I swear. I wouldn't mind SOPV for Red vs Blue fight. |
Insertanamehere said: If Iri is Archer.....................THEN WHO WAS PHONE Kek, jokes aside we better get Emiya I swear. I wouldn't mind SOPV for Red vs Blue fight. NO. REDVS BLUE NEEDS |
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Aurioch said: *reads all "predictions"* All of you. Get out. Yep. He's Kerry alright. Dat edge. |
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CookingPriest said: Insertanamehere said: If Iri is Archer.....................THEN WHO WAS PHONE Kek, jokes aside we better get Emiya I swear. I wouldn't mind SOPV for Red vs Blue fight. NO. REDVS BLUE NEEDS [yt]P6cAfn6NpSg[/y t] Er, but SOPV was what played in the RvB (after the jump anyway). Was Burst Up the one playing before that point? I can't recall. |
Insertanamehere said: CookingPriest said: NO. REDVS BLUE NEEDS [yt]P6cAfn6NpSg[/y t] Er, but SOPV was what played in the RvB (after the jump anyway). Was Burst Up the one playing before that point? I can't recall. Burst up plays in every redv blue fight. |
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