kingxanic said: Also, holy shit.
grave understands my playstyle as well
Grave tuned into your wavelength in the zombie mafia v1
She's learning your patterns now. This is not a bad thing (unless we find ourselves on different teams that is XD)
"xanic usually votes if he likes the reason"
you didn't say if it was a good reason.
Only I had to like it xD
grave_robber said: Man, now I have to reveal my day 1 strategy and find a new one... Ah well, here goes:
Grave said:
1. Make most players feel at ease by asking questions about roles, rules and other helpful information, making jokes and getting to know players.
2. Vote for someone who will not get mad about it or try to kill/lynch you later on based on this vote.
2.1. Vote for Karrote or Jackrito if present in game, they are friends and will not take it personally.
2.2. Make sure to explain the reasons behind your vote to keep all players at ease and avoid lynch trains Unfortunately, this point has to be changed now since jack has been targeted by other players for day 1 lynches repeatedly and karrote almost got lynched by this strategy in a game we're playing now.
3. Watch out for "red flags". red flags are interesting posts by players that could mean they're townies or bad guys, they help me get a read on these players
4. Change vote if necessary or if a possible target is found.
The theory behind this strategy is that day 1 is taken as a chance to relax and get to know the game mechanics, this puts people at ease. When people get comfortable, they make mistakes. Mistakes are almost always made by all parties on day 1.
point #4 occurs if others or myself create a situation when too many red flags go up & 1 or more people become "too suspicious".
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Now unto the actual hints & "red flags":
Now there were other posts that were "interesting" by these players but not enough to raise red flags
[*]Day 1
1. Zymf suggests all santas come forward Interesting strategy! But only a super brave townie or a reckless mafioso would do it
2. Smurphinator says she thought an important role detail for the cops was a typo Now I understand general lack of interest by players about most roles but not about the most important town roles (cop, doc, vig). Tbh, I wasn't sure it was a detail or a typo either. So I asked, that's what a real townie does, they would wanna know this because this is important and could cost us the game.
I remove my vote under the claim of vague lynch rules to ease smurph's tension (it is important for me to keep players relaxed and open so they'd slip up).
3 zymf makes 2 excellent posts on how to find santas: here & here. He's an expert player, is he trying to draw them out or is he a townie, leaning towards townie now.
4. Lucian's first post is a message to vig why make your 1st post about the vig and what they should do when you're the guy who takes command and starts lynches? I agreed with him at that point since no real suspects had been found
5. Panda uses decent logic & accuses me of being naughty. The theory behind is accusation ir quite right but this kind of implementation kills way more townies than mafia, I'm obviously upset at being the #1 suspect yet again, but I see an opportunity to create a juicy lynch to attract baddies
6. L&H votes for me based on my username and doesn't contribute much else. Now xanic usually joins lynches if he likes the reason so I understand his vote but L&H voting for someone without knowing why they're being voted for or pretending that he doesn't know is just wrong and anti-town
8. blatant lie by pyro about his behavior up until this point, pyro had been goofing like he does sometimes, some posts were "off" but not red flags, he knows how I play day 1, he would question panda's logic or motives or at least defend me if he was townie, he has done so with others when he was pro=town, why not now? Happy to see me die?
Didn't say much all day but voted to save me? Karrote avoids messy day 1 lynches, and this is super messy, he's trying to gain my trust/gratitude so I won't suspect him, he becomes a suspect a few hours later
Now I see the total vote count and realize karrote voted right before I did and Panda's about to die if I don't unvote, I decide to wait a minute or 2 to see if either of them unvotes (we agreed to tie the votes, not lynch panda, a good townie would stick to the deal because they wouldn't wanna mislynch is a game with such small numbers). I refresh the page to unvote & it's too late, I had sacrificed Panda who after our discussion convinced me he was pro-town (i'm feeling pretty crappy about messing up my 1st day in this game and possibly dooming the town).
We agreed to tie the votes, the way things played out, it seemed like I added my vote just to kill panda, I look super scummy right now, you're not even gonna comment on that?
If you're so worried about your night action, you can send it now and change it later
I spot the sneaky little post and respond here, she drops it, why? if you're really convinced I'm scum, why back off? I was scummy as hell @ that point, so she's afraid I would kill her, is it because she's townie or 3rd party?
Is he trying to give the doc possible targets, is he trying to get a list of the best players so he can kill them, or is he pretending to be a good player who's helping out the doctor/is the doctor. Flag raised
I start thinking that I'm imagining hints, but decided to flag it
6. Zuu accuses xanic and brings up his old trolling days why does she wanna lynch him so bad? simply to sacrifice him and gain trust? she already seems townie to most of us... Did the mafia catch the hint or investigate him? He's looking more like a townie to me
7. Miki hints @ his role Is he a bad guy preparing to claim santa? or a townie (santa/other), flag raised
I was the last to vote, I had a minute or 2 to unvote or change it, if she doesn't believe I'm the vig, why doesn't she look more carefully into my actions? because she's not townie, she doesn't care if I'm mafia or not, she has a different goal, she's the jester. I decide to kill her that night and mask my suspicions
is he a good townie or is he trying to throw off suspicion because both miki & I named him as a suspect
[*]Night 2
1. Karrote gives me confirmation of my suspicions By now several players have voiced their suspects @ Miki's request, I think Miki is town but not sure about his role, some names appear on most lists(Pyro, karrote & Zurel)
Lucian manages to confuse me about who the jester might be so I decide to confuse the mafia by going back and forth with my action. I actually did send actions then cancel them, just to mess with everyone including byon-kun (I can't miss a chance to confuse everyone :p)
By now I'm sure karrote is fake claiming but he chose a townie so that x would trust him and of course the rest of us
- With the jester gone, I get tired of the santas being shocked so I decide to start my plan to take down the mafia (which originally was to not let pyro know I was on to him, karote knew I was onto him, I was going after zuu 1st because she was suspected by most so I figured it would be easier to get everyone to vote for her).
How would miki clear zymf if he's santa, he can't, what other townie role could clear him? the watcher, confirmation! Mafia had raised too many flags in my head by now, I'm convinced of what I know
As you can see, pyro can't claim because he can't fake the results, he can't claim santa, no one would believe him anymore, I made sure to tell everyone I knew who the doctor was and they better not claim that role so he knew better than to fake claim doc. This was the final confirmation I needed on pyro
The rest you know, I lsn to zymf and come forward with my true list of suspects and then announce my plan and ask everyone to trust me.
Vig out was actually the most optimal strategy since the mafia couldn't counterclaim it so they are pressured to kill the doctor. Good job on that front as well grave.
Mikiuza said: Vig out was actually the most optimal strategy since the mafia couldn't counterclaim it so they are pressured to kill the doctor. Good job on that front as well grave.
When I hinted at my role, I was just trying to stay alive so I can use my shots to help the town.
In retrospect, it was the best thing that could happen given the setup of the game.