Is modern feminism misandry?

Battlechili1 said:
Feminism can be used to defend/promote misandry, but feminism itself is not misandry by definition. Feminism by definition is for equality. Misandry by definition is an attack on males as a whole.

Its kind of like how people committed crimes in the name of their religion in the past. That doesn't mean people under said religion are bad or even that the religion itself is bad.

katsucats said:
t's sort of like how the definition for God is truth, so everyone who isn't Christian is a recalcitrant liar or in denial of the truth.

Battlechili1 said:

I'm not sure I see how feminism and feminists are like that?
Are you saying that people who consider themselves feminists believe that those who don't are wrong by default?

Also I edited my post to make it more accurate to what I meant by my post and to avoid starting a religion thread.

iamwaves said:
I am completely fine with feminism, everyone is allowed to have their own opinions and beliefs, and btw women do get discriminated everyday wether you want to believe or not.

katsucats said:
So does everyone else like men, fat people, disabled people, nerds, etc.

Revelry said:
The difference lies in the level of discrimination groups receive.

katsucats said:
I agree. Fat people and disabled people get discriminated a lot more than women.

Kitska said:

I'm mildly disabled and I get more shit for being a woman than being disabled.

katsucats said:
I agree. Fat people and disabled people get discriminated a lot more than women.

Revelry said:
Being fat is acceptable in America. Only 16.24% of the population are disabled. So no.

katsucats said:
There's only 4% pedophiles, they must be popular.

Battlechili1 said:

I'm not sure I see how feminism and feminists are like that?
Are you saying that people who consider themselves feminists believe that those who don't are wrong by default?

Also I edited my post to make it more accurate to what I meant by my post and to avoid starting a religion thread.

KennyWasTaken said:


Yeah and I bet you get all the pussy in the world for being a white knight to women against 100% objective peer reviewed facts mate

katsucats said:
You probably get shit for your misandry.

Kitska said:


I don't talk about feminism irl so no. I get sexist remarks like "make me a sandwich" all the time. I get told that I shouldn't cuss because "it's not womanly". But then why is it okay for boys to cuss? I also get cat called often (which is humiliating and objectifying) and I'm afraid of going out alone at night for that. I'm scared of getting raped because I am a woman. You don't know how scary it is to be a woman. I've been molested. I've been raped. I've been groped. I've been harassed. I've been literally hit by men and boys my age. I don't even wear revealing clothes. I'm scared to wear what I want because I'm scared of getting raped, or groped, or cat called. All because I am a girl. You know, I've got it pretty easy compared to the women in the Middle East. You don't know what it's like to be told you're a "slut" for being raped. That it's your fault. Because I'm a girl - it's my fault I guess. Even if I was a misandrist, I have a pretty valid reason to hate men. But no. After all of the shit I get for being a girl, I choose to harbor no hate towards men. I would give anything to be born a man so I could have never been faced with the struggles of being a woman.

Kitska said:
Feminism does not equal misandry.

I'm a feminist and I do not think it's okay for a woman to abuse her husband or rape anyone. ?

I think some feminists express their frustrations in inappropriate ways, thus leading to the perception of misandry within the feminist community.

Not all feminists are man hating lesbians.

Jayex said:

How is this any different than Hitler telling Germany that Jews are the root of all evil?

Revelry said:
Katsu has no reply to you. LOL.

katsucats said:
That's because my experience is so different, it leaves me wondering whether:
1. She lives in Iran.
2. People make sexist remarks because she's disabled, and she's too daft to understand that (I don't know any disabled people, besides people afflicted with mild autism).
3. She has one of those bitch attitudes IRL that antagonizes people, and she doesn't realize it.

While people do occasionally whistle at girls, mostly in good fun, and people do occasionally make remarks such as "make me a sandwich", it is not a daily, continuous pattern of rape and harassment that she depicts occurring throughout her life. Statistics show that most rape occur between acquaintances, which lead me to think that she got molested by a family member, and then projected that insecurity towards all males, such that off-handed remarks persist in her mind. But I have no interest in speculating further what's going on in her life. It might be true in her circumstance, but my experience is so different that it might as well be fantasy. The only people who would say "make me a sandwich" in a mean-spirited manner (and the only people who can't tell a joke from an insult) are probably middle school aged kids 12-14, so I posit that Kitsaka is some 13 year old girl in a closely-knit middle school where the opportunity exists to run into the same groups daily.

More importantly, when someone brings out the "PITY ME" card to justify some misguided ideology, as if all women are inferior members of society because of anecdotal experiences, there is nothing much to respond to besides either "I PITY YOU" or "I DON'T PITY YOU, YOU'RE RETARDED." I wonder if she notices that other women around her are not subjected to the same treatment, or whether every women from the shithole where she lives have been raped, molested on a daily basis. IMO someone's been watching too much hentai and projecting it to real life.

Evidence: She gets cat called and she's afraid to go out because of some non-physical action communicating that she's attractive. I don't care how insecure you are with sexual advances, cat calling =/= rape or even the attempt or possibility of rape. It would be like if a girl smiled and winked at me in public, and I run into the bathroom stall and shut the door, thinking "All these women are objectifying me!! All women are assholes."

Shiratori99 said:
Women still get discriminated in the US, but Asian men get discriminated more. Someone should help those poor souls, they got no lobby.

Kitska said:


Asian people in general get treated like shit. Getting called a chink isn't funny anymore.

Kitska said:
1.) I don't have a bitch attitude. I've been regarded as friendly irl, I can hold stable relationships with people, and I volunteer and help the poor (helping the poor isn't bitchy, is it?).

Kitska said:
2.) I don't live in Iran. 9 months out of the year, I live in a nice suburb in Nevada. The other 3, I live with my mom in Japan where I face virtually no sexism.

Kitska said:
3.) My disability does not show physically. I have ADHD. My cat-caller can not tell by first glance that I have ADHD. All he knows is that I am an average girl.

Kitska said:
4.) I am not in middle school - I am in a public high school (I'm 14).

Kitska said:
5.) I posted my experiences as a woman (being raped, molested, cat called, etc) because maybe it would get you to understand the struggles we go through. Being cat called, raped, molested is all apart of rape culture and the sexism that comes with it. My rapist did not see me as an equal human being - he saw me as an object, like a piece of meat. While some women have been lucky enough to have never experience this stuff, this does not dismiss the fact that there is a crazy number of women who have. This stuff is happening in your backyard (not literally, of course).

Kitska said:
6.) Getting cat called isn't nice. It's objectifying. Cat calling makes women feel as if their personalities do not exist and they are merely an object to gawk at. A complete stranger shouting at you, "Hey baby, I wanna fuck you" DOES make me scared. What if he acts out on that desire?

Kitska said:
Asian people in general get treated like shit. Getting called a chink isn't funny anymore.

Kitska said:



1.) I don't have a bitch attitude. I've been regarded as friendly irl, I can hold stable relationships with people, and I volunteer and help the poor (helping the poor isn't bitchy, is it?).

2.) I don't live in Iran. 9 months out of the year, I live in a nice suburb in Nevada. The other 3, I live with my mom in Japan where I face virtually no sexism.

3.) My disability does not show physically. I have ADHD. My cat-caller can not tell by first glance that I have ADHD. All he knows is that I am an average girl.

4.) I am not in middle school - I am in a public high school (I'm 14).

5.) I posted my experiences as a woman (being raped, molested, cat called, etc) because maybe it would get you to understand the struggles we go through. Being cat called, raped, molested is all apart of rape culture and the sexism that comes with it. My rapist did not see me as an equal human being - he saw me as an object, like a piece of meat. While some women have been lucky enough to have never experience this stuff, this does not dismiss the fact that there is a crazy number of women who have. This stuff is happening in your backyard (not literally, of course).

6.) Getting cat called isn't nice. It's objectifying. Cat calling makes women feel as if their personalities do not exist and they are merely an object to gawk at. A complete stranger shouting at you, "Hey baby, I wanna fuck you" DOES make me scared. What if he acts out on that desire?

Heredity said:
calling bull on the whole thing

men don't cat call 14yo, the japanese are hella hating on whiteys, and as for the rape stuff... why do you keep using it as some sort of prop? it doesn't seem right.

Kitska said:
I live in a nice suburb in Nevada.

Kitska said:
I use rape as an example of rape culture and misogyny.

SaucyNudityBaron said:


Those don't exist.

Summerlin is an affluent 22,500-acre master-planned community

Kitska said:


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katsucats said:
Oh. I remember Summerlin. We drove by after the real estate crash looking for an investment, but then decided... nah. Rows upon rows of empty houses. In the middle of the fucking desert.

Lencurryboy said:
Misandry is a minor problem and I think it's pretty problematic how it's much more discussed than feminism, which is a big problem.

Lencurryboy said:


i was going to write something long and smart as a response to this but i feel like it isn't going to get through to you so i'm not uhh

Lencurryboy said:


i was going to write something long and smart as a response to this but i feel like it isn't going to get through to you so i'm not uhh

pauperunit said:

ah thats too bad I was looking forward to it

Lencurryboy said:


i was going to write something long and smart as a response to this but i feel like it isn't going to get through to you so i'm not uhh

Lencurryboy said:

I think you should actually go out in the real world and experience your oh so awful misandry before you tell me that it's such a big problem and that I'm living in a fantasy world. Maybe you will find out that you don't have it that bad, being an "oppressed" male in our society.

Still, I do not mean that misandry does not exist or is not a problem, but misogyny is a much bigger problem. Not many think that misandry is okay. Misogyny is a part of the western culture, and it needs to stop.

Lencurryboy said:

I think you should actually go out in the real world and experience your oh so awful misandry before you tell me that it's such a big problem and that I'm living in a fantasy world. Maybe you will find out that you don't have it that bad, being an "oppressed" male in our society.

Still, I do not mean that misandry does not exist or is not a problem, but misogyny is a much bigger problem. Not many think that misandry is okay. Misogyny is a part of the western culture, and it needs to stop.

myrsella said:
Hello,

As someone wrote before, misandry is misandry and feminism is feminism. Many people who claim to be feminists make the mistake of expressing hate towards men, and say that that's feminism. It is not. Feminism is an ideology whose purpose is to achieve equal rights for both men and women. This does not mean that women want to treat men the way men treat women; their purpose goes beyond this, and feminism basically implies a wish for equal human rights for both men and women. I hope you've understood this.

For example, if you are a man and you don't want a payment gap for women in their jobs just because they are women, then congratulations, you're a feminist. If a woman says she hates men and she wants them dead, she's a misandrist and not a feminist. If you hear a woman saying something like that and you hear that she claims to be a feminist, then you have the right to let her know her mistake.

Personally I consider myself a feminist. Since there is a lot of misunderstanding about the concept people tend to hate on me. Many of the posts you linked are about "feminists" doing wrong towards men and children. You see, most of them are not feminists, but misandrists. You are also making the mistake of thinking that these women are feminists, therefore you wrote something like "Feminist defends female raping minor" when instead, you should have written "misandrist defends female raping minor". So now you know the difference between a feminist and misandrist. If you are interested, I suggest you investigate a little bit more about feminism and misandrism and invite your friends to do the same.

Have a great day! :)

D4nnySw4g said:

kek

Lencurryboy said:
Women are harassed on the streets, raped and being told that it's their fault for dressing "slutty". They are constantly told that they should look good so that boys will like them, they get paid less for doing the same job as a man, people look down on them and constantly think that they aren't as knowledgeable as the men they work with. Many people still think that women are for sex, babies and making food. You ever heard that someone "hits like a girl"? yea. sexism.

myrsella said:
As someone wrote before, misandry is misandry and feminism is feminism. Many people who claim to be feminists make the mistake of expressing hate towards men, and say that that's feminism. It is not. Feminism is an ideology whose purpose is to achieve equal rights for both men and women. This does not mean that women want to treat men the way men treat women; their purpose goes beyond this, and feminism basically implies a wish for equal human rights for both men and women. I hope you've understood this.

Lencurryboy said:

Feminism is about equal rights for all genders and sexes, geez.