| So, we all know that suicide is immoral because of the strain it causes society to clean up for your mess. The same could be said about dying of old age or illnesses like cancer. If you don't leave a net positive sum behind or at least pay for your own funeral, you must be immoral scum. And let's make one thing clear: Just because you suffered for the past 3 years under constant pain from cancer doesn't mean you can go out and kill someone. Suffering is not an excuse for immoral acts. If it is, then every poor person would have the moral right to steal. Since they don't, cancer patients don't have the moral right to die without responsibility. |
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Udgey said: So suicide is moral if you pay your taxes?I pay my taxes |
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| its the same outcome death |
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katsucats said: Don't forget healthcare insurance.Udgey said: So suicide is moral if you pay your taxes?I pay my taxes |
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| Wait, tell me this: what's the point in caring about morality if you are dying? There's no reward in doing the 'right thing' (assuming, of course, that you don't believe in afterlife),so I think it would be stupid to care about what will happen once you are dead because there is no value in it for you. |
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katsucats said: So, we all know that suicide is immoral because of the strain it causes society to clean up for your mess Do you think this or are you being sarcastic and trying to start an argument with people who do think this? I don't think this, though I certainly can't vouch for suicide as a great thing to do in general either. |
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IktIkn said: Why do you care about morality if you are not dying?Wait, tell me this: what's the point in caring about morality if you are dying? There's no reward in doing the 'right thing' (assuming, of course, that you don't believe in afterlife),so I think it would be stupid to care about what will happen once you are dead because there is no value in it for you. |
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| Morality is unimportant after the death anyway. You will be nothing more then feed for the worms and micro organism. That is all what is left after dying. Sure the person who is about to die should not do anything against the law, but that counts for everyone. |
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| But is there any point in morality if there is no God? I mean, if he isn't around in the grand scheme of things morality doesn't matter. How you'd treat those around you ultimately does not matter, but it makes your life on Earth more enjoyable while you're here if you treat them well. You'd be bringing unnecessary stress and isolation into your life if you went around insulting everyone you saw, or if you went on a killing spree. However, if God doesn't exist then there is no such thing as absolute right or absolute wrong and morality is only defined by human beings themselves. That doesn't necessarily mean that there is no "point" in being a decent person, but just that your decisions are your own and no higher being is going to judge you for them. Therefore morality is irrelevant, but objective morality on the other hand... |
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masochist-chan said: Explain the difference.Therefore morality is irrelevant, but objective morality on the other hand... |
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katsucats said: masochist-chan said: Explain the difference.Therefore morality is irrelevant, but objective morality on the other hand... Objective morality, imho, can be described as combination of each individual view of morality. Each individual’s view of morality can be found when observing each individual's own self interest. Objective morality differs from our plain value management morality. |
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Shadowslave13 said: I don't really think suicide is immoral. I mean you are one less problem to the world in the long run. You might even be doing the world a favor by committing it. I think that way, too. Why should suicide be immoral? The person has his/her reasons, and most likely the mother also didn't care about her child wanting to be born or not. Anyway, what does moral behavior mean today? Mostly, it's just for displaying you're a good person to gain the trust of others and proceed in your own carreer. I agree with the ones before who said that death is inevitable. you're gonna be forgotten sooner or later anyway. |
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masochist-chan said: katsucats said: Explain the difference. Objective morality, imho, can be described as combination of each individual view of morality. Each individual’s view of morality can be found when observing each individual's own self interest. Objective morality differs from our plain value management morality. If only that would actually work, I'd like to see what you do when mixing completely opposite morals. What about criminals? What about insane individuals? Children? Fanatics? Teenagers? The communist leader next door? The fascist leader next door? |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
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masochist-chan said: katsucats said: Explain the difference. Objective morality, imho, can be described as combination of each individual view of morality. Each individual’s view of morality can be found when observing each individual's own self interest. Objective morality differs from our plain value management morality. And that is my friend, how racism born. A group morality based on a predispositioned bias. |
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| You were born on the planet with just your survival instincts. Morals were taught to you over time. How do you even know they are the right thing? Life is a game where most of us struggle. If you want to quit early bro, go ahead. Just know theres no continue after lol. P.S If I am dead, I'm dead. Not really worrying about who buries me and how. Cremate me for all I care xD |
| To be honest, I don't opine suicide being immoral, in fact, its the person's own life. If people are restricted to commit suicide, wouldn't that be denying their free will? Death is a process of life, it HAS to happen sooner or later. Suicide is only ending it before a set time. If death is natural, shouldn't suicide be considered the same? |
katsucats said: So, we all know that suicide is immoral.. I disagree. Morality is entirely subjective. |
TheRavenstag said: katsucats said: So, we all know that suicide is immoral.. I disagree. Morality is entirely subjective. It's almost as if he's using reductio ad absurdum to show that moral point of view is or something. |
yogotah said: TheRavenstag said: I disagree. Morality is entirely subjective. That's debatable. All of the interesting things in life generally are :) |
| A cancerous person dying of cancer isn't making a choice, a person suiciding is. |
MomonoAug 12, 2014 9:39 AM
| Ha ha fuck responsibility to society and even humanity. Morality? made up constructs of human intellect, it can be imposed on humans as much as they wish it but it is still made up, fake rules to live by because humanity can't survive in pure chaos. It doesn't matter how you die, how many people die, good or evil suicide or murder. Everything is just numbers, 8 billion humans on earth we can afford to loose millions without any real effect. Murder before dying? so what when they die they are gone, nothing left no memories to look back fondly on nothing. Should we all expect to lie down quietly and leave society alone and die in some corner. Everything is meaningless in the end, therefor any action taken no matter what is meaningless, truly meaningless. One brutal murder is instantly replaced by a new infant been born, reality doesn't care how we die, what we believe in if we are good and evil. Good and evil are defined by humans, flawed humans design flawed creations, morality is constantly in flux and is unknowable as a solid standard. "Which is worse: Hell or nothing? Burn the museums. Wipe your ass with the Mona Lisa. This way at least God will know your name." After all aren't all humans seeking daddies attention. |
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