No Game No Life Episode 12 Discussion

Mayuu_ said:
Why exist so many haters the NGNL at review?
I hate posers.

Mayuu_ said:
Why exist so many haters the NGNL at review?
I hate posers.

bastek66 said:
Elitists on mal are so fucking funny.

Kaioshin_Sama said:


I still don't understand why it's so important to this shows fans that it be loved unconditionally by absolutely all. This show is still overwhelmingly loved by pretty much all of MAL so honestly people need to just quit their bitching and just enjoy the show by rewatching it already or something cause not everybody is going to grovel before what MAL seems to think is it's uncontestable greatness.

Sorry but it's just so stupid and ridiculous and I'm kind of tired of hearing this shows fanbase whine that some people don't like it and being insufferable twats to anybody that doesn't exactly parrot it's perceived qualities at all times on the internet.



Vastly outnumbered by annoying defensive fanboys that can't seem to handle when not absolutely everybody loves their show. Honestly though I don't even really think this site has an elitist problem, if anything it's actually quite anti-intellectual and seems to shit on and think poorly of anybody that actually expects anything out of shows like solid character development and not just random wacky antics and comedy. Apparently expecting tighter storytelling and world building and characters you can actually root for and get behind as something approaching decent human beings makes you an "elitist" now though and that's a bad thing. If MAL could see the kind of reputation it's userbase has outside of this site and how poorly this stuff reflects on the community....well I doubt they'd care anyway actually so never mind.

Just such a joke, this show really has showcased MAL as a community at it's absolute worst and most obnoxious.

Nidhoeggr said:


I can only completely agree.
I do not even expect decent storytelling or characterization from most anime... I just expect that these two aspects actually exist in a show and are somewhat coherent. Nothing more. That is the very basis of storytelling, the 101, the absolute minimum. And even that is too much for some anime out there (who are mostly belonging to categories that are prone to attract otaku, btw) - yet they get praised by nearly everyone in this community. The same people that would probably hate it if any standard Western TV drama did such a sloppy job. And THIS is what frustrates me.

Hate on all the overdone and mediocre crime shows on Western TV all you want, at least they usually manage to uphold some standards.

Nidhoeggr said:
So, just because it is anime Meet The Spartans is acceptable now?
The type of humour and the niveau of it are roughly the same...

But the thing is, no one like when the show they loved being trash-talked over and over and over again.

Nidhoeggr said:
This is fun:


Fans of Aku no Hana and Ping Pong also have to listen to people expressing their dislike for the "shit artstyle", fans of Berserk have to put up with 80% of the comments being "Q_Q, Golden Age was best, the rest is shit" and "Miura is lazy", etc.
Do you see a a pattern here? Oh yes, it's a diverging opinion! I wonder what kind of public area is used for discussing diverging opinions...

Popka said:
They should be allowed to talk about the show wherever they want. In this case, everyone would probably be happier if they didn't, but some people like to make life a little tougher than it is. They shouldn't insult fans of the show either, but doesn't MAL have rules against that? I don't know the forum rules well.

"But the thing is, no one like when the show they loved being trash-talked over and over and over again."
This is true, but I don't think it's particularly damaging either. Especially considering that in this case the show's detractors are using completely different standards to judge the show than its proponents. It's like getting mad when somebody complains about the texture of Jello when you don't even care about the texture and just like the taste.

mirailianil said:

I guess its not against the rules, but it is common sense really. since its World Cup right now, picture this: A few people trash talk Brazil Football teams in the middle of the street in Brazil,saying it sucks and the player are trash; and then said to those Brazil fans that they are the worst for defending them and so on, repeatedly. What do you think will happen?
That is basically what is happening here

Nidhoeggr said:
This is fun:


Fans of Aku no Hana and Ping Pong also have to listen to people expressing their dislike for the "shit artstyle", fans of Berserk have to put up with 80% of the comments being "Q_Q, Golden Age was best, the rest is shit" and "Miura is lazy", etc.
Do you see a a pattern here? Oh yes, it's a diverging opinion! I wonder what kind of public area is used for discussing diverging opinions...

It's as Popka said: We complain about different things. If you just want to enjoy the series without thinking too much and then share some fancy oneliners that praise it there should be no need for you to get into this discussion we are having here anyway. nevertheless, it belongs to the thread as we discuss this series.

Nidhoeggr said:


Well, does the Brazilian football team sexualize 11-year old girls?

Obviously this is a massive hyperbole, but it doesn't change that at the end a few people here argue about the messages the series sends on a meta level and other themes that are not directly related to the discussion about the episodes' content itself. Would another thread within this subforum be better for it? Probably. Is it still a discussion related to the series? Yes.

Nidhoeggr said:
Oh, of course hostility is to be expected when you think the series a lot of people like sends problematic messages. But where should we discuss the messages this series' specifically sends in our opinion otherwise when we want to let all people who watch it engage in this discussion as well?
Posting it here can be seen as hostile towards you, but it is more an invitation to really engage in the merits of this show on another level imho.

Honestly though I don't even really think this site has an elitist problem, if anything it's actually quite anti-intellectual and seems to shit on and think poorly of anybody that actually expects anything out of shows like solid character development and not just random wacky antics and comedy.

this show really has showcased MAL as a community at it's absolute worst and most obnoxious

Nidhoeggr said:
Considering our discussion right now that always borders on the worst I guess the last quote is ironically quite spot-on. And you surely won't deny that telling people to stop posting if they have diverging opinions is a bit anti-intellectual. NGNL is looking pretty good if anything, there are series that have it much, MUCH worse. And if the public really likes/dislikes something you don't agree with you have to accept it. It is frustrating - I know it, because usually the stuff I like gets a lot less exposure than I'd love to (Hyouge Mono ;_;) or some ridiculous criticism - but that's just how it is. And if a series has controversial material it shouldn't really suprise anyone that these type of discussions pop up. And yes, this type of ecchi is controversial.

We are getting a bit offtopic, though.

rederoin said:

You know the difference between opinions and attacking others for holding a different opinion, right?

Nidhoeggr said:
I still don't understand why it's so important to this shows fans that it be loved unconditionally by absolutely all.

Takuan_Soho said:


Because there is a difference between not liking something for a reason, and not liking something because it is a symbol of something you don't like.

Kaioshin for instance hates the show not for what it is intrinsically, but because he hates the one show every cour that, because it is entertaining, gets enthusiastic praise. Last two cours it was Kill La Kill, this cour it was NGNL. Now, in theory, I sympathize with Kaioshin and do understand that some fans do get carried away with their praise (in that they have a new "best anime of all time" every three months), but where we differ is that I don't try to get some cheap feeling of "superiority" by denouncing such people. I understand that entertainment is, well, somewhat reliant on being entertaining.

With you the matter is even more simple. People don't believe your critiques. They don't think you are being honest, but rather hate this show merely because it is popular and that your desire to be "better than the fanboys" replaces any actual real criticism.

modsoulz said:
I thought there won't be a second season anytime soon. The anime cover the LN up to 5 volume. And the LN 6th volume has just been released last April. I guess the second season won't come anytime soon in 2 or 3 years.

modsoulz said:
I thought there won't be a second season anytime soon. The anime cover the LN up to 5 volume. And the LN 6th volume has just been released last April. I guess the second season won't come anytime soon in 2 or 3 years.

Rawrdaysgoby said:


Don't know what you are talking about it only covers up to volume 3

scytheavatar said:


The anime covered up to vol 3, but spoiled parts of vol 4-6. So there's enough material for a second season.

Needs to be mentioned though that from what I heard the author is being treated for Stomach Cancer, so a second season isn't guaranteed.

modsoulz said:


That's some bad news. Let's just hope the author is gonna be daijobu.

DreamingBeats said:
animator 1: "oh noes, it's the last episode and Blank still doesnt have the Eastern Federation on their side, what should we do??"
animator 2: "coin toss. people will love it"
animator 1: "brilliant..!"
me: wtf just happened

edit: i think the creator just loves japanese baths. it's pretty much in every damn episode...

Zyukichan said:
At first I didn't noticed this season had ended. I was actually waiting for episode 13...

Oh well. I really liked this show. It was really entertaining and for the first time in my life I actually laughed at ecchi-ish moments in this show. in ANY show really.

This show might still be ending horrible. I mean.. if they're going to rush through all races (like the levels in SAO) I'm going to cry out loud and throw my laptop away.
I'm already imaging the first sentence in episode 1: "We ended up winning the next five races....." AW HELL NO.

Zyukichan said:
This show might still be ending horrible. I mean.. if they're going to rush through all races (like the levels in SAO) I'm going to cry out loud and throw my laptop away.
I'm already imaging the first sentence in episode 1: "We ended up winning the next five races....." AW HELL NO.