| I love moe/romcom and ecchi anime but I would like to see more thriller anime as well because they thrill me. |
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Rashkolnikov said: Not really there are a lot more sol, romcoms than military anime.DrGeroCreation said: Why are people talking about old and new anime? The OP was talking about certain anime genres being more predominant than others not comparing new anime to old anime. My bad, but OP is wrong anyway. I think he should search more. |
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| I'd love a creative change in today's anime, too much pandering going on. |
| Yes I definitely want a change. Less fan service and cuteness and such. |
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insanity- said: Yes I definitely want a change. Less fan service and cuteness and such. This, it's really annoying. |
| No, I'm fine. |
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Heredity said: Thanks but I already checked MAL and Animeplanet for military anime in the past before. I noticed that many were mecha which I don't like but I have gotten some with no mecha. I'm actually currently watching Pumpkin Scissors which is a military anime.DrGeroCreation said: if we're talking about military specifically, knock yourself out.Rashkolnikov said: Not really there are a lot more sol, romcoms than military anime.DrGeroCreation said: Why are people talking about old and new anime? The OP was talking about certain anime genres being more predominant than others not comparing new anime to old anime. My bad, but OP is wrong anyway. I think he should search more. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Heredity said: Thanks but I already checked MAL and Animeplanet for military anime in the past before. I noticed that many were mecha which I don't like but I have gotten some with no mecha. I'm actually currently watching Pumpkin Scissors which is a military anime.DrGeroCreation said: if we're talking about military specifically, knock yourself out.Rashkolnikov said: Not really there are a lot more sol, romcoms than military anime.DrGeroCreation said: Why are people talking about old and new anime? The OP was talking about certain anime genres being more predominant than others not comparing new anime to old anime. My bad, but OP is wrong anyway. I think he should search more. The more unique anime of today are often overlooked. There is an over abundance of moe shit but I found some new anime with really unique art lately. |
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BlackSabotage said: I can see that considering going by your list you just finished Kuuchuu Buranko which has one of the most unique artstyles and a great psychological anime but is usually overlooked.DrGeroCreation said: Heredity said: Thanks but I already checked MAL and Animeplanet for military anime in the past before. I noticed that many were mecha which I don't like but I have gotten some with no mecha. I'm actually currently watching Pumpkin Scissors which is a military anime.DrGeroCreation said: if we're talking about military specifically, knock yourself out.Rashkolnikov said: Not really there are a lot more sol, romcoms than military anime.DrGeroCreation said: Why are people talking about old and new anime? The OP was talking about certain anime genres being more predominant than others not comparing new anime to old anime. My bad, but OP is wrong anyway. I think he should search more. The more unique anime of today are often overlooked. There is an over abundance of moe shit but I found some new anime with really unique art lately. |
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| Yea, SHAFT knows all about unique. Just check out Nisekoi. Epitome of unique and interesting. |
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Heredity said: The artstyles used for the different Monogatari series looks really good but I'm not really interested in the story and characters. I might still watch it in the future though.DrGeroCreation said: good news: you'd like SHAFT productions.BlackSabotage said: I can see that considering going by your list you just finished Kuuchuu Buranko which has one of the most unique artstyles and a great psychological anime but is usually overlooked.The more unique anime of today are often overlooked. There is an over abundance of moe shit but I found some new anime with really unique art lately. |
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DrGeroCreation said: BlackSabotage said: I can see that considering going by your list you just finished Kuuchuu Buranko which has one of the most unique artstyles and a great psychological anime but is usually overlooked.DrGeroCreation said: Heredity said: Thanks but I already checked MAL and Animeplanet for military anime in the past before. I noticed that many were mecha which I don't like but I have gotten some with no mecha. I'm actually currently watching Pumpkin Scissors which is a military anime.DrGeroCreation said: if we're talking about military specifically, knock yourself out.Rashkolnikov said: Not really there are a lot more sol, romcoms than military anime.DrGeroCreation said: Why are people talking about old and new anime? The OP was talking about certain anime genres being more predominant than others not comparing new anime to old anime. My bad, but OP is wrong anyway. I think he should search more. The more unique anime of today are often overlooked. There is an over abundance of moe shit but I found some new anime with really unique art lately. It may have gone a little overboard but I certainly can't think of anything else like it. Its like what an adult swim cartoon would be like if it had a deep plot. |
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Heredity said: I didn't get it :( but I disagree with Kuuchuu Buranko trying to emulate moe productions visually. Kuuchuu Buranko looks completely different from the anime created by Shaft you are talking about.DrGeroCreation said: i tried to fix it but meh.LOL you messed up the quotes. The artstyles used for the different Monogatari series looks good but I'm not really interested in the story and characters. I might still watch it in the future though. the joke was that he said there was an over-abundance of 'moe shit,' yet the anime he's obsessing over lately are pretty much trying to emulate moe productions (shaft predominately) visually. so they're 'unique.' @BlackSabotage Yeah it's a really unique anime. |
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Heredity said: Which Shaft moe anime production looks like this http://youtu.be/4LWpeqFGO74 ?DrGeroCreation said: of course you would.Heredity said: I didn't get it :( but I disagree with Kuuchuu Buranko trying to emulate moe productions visually.DrGeroCreation said: i tried to fix it but meh.LOL you messed up the quotes. The artstyles used for the different Monogatari series looks good but I'm not really interested in the story and characters. I might still watch it in the future though. the joke was that he said there was an over-abundance of 'moe shit,' yet the anime he's obsessing over lately are pretty much trying to emulate moe productions (shaft predominately) visually. so they're 'unique.' |
DrGeroCreationApr 3, 2014 7:13 PM
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Red_Keys said: But who cares when it's SHAFT.Yea, SHAFT knows all about unique. Just check out Nisekoi. Epitome of unique and interesting. /foreverSHAFTfanboy |
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Heredity said: Nope that's more like Tatami Galaxy's artstyle not Kuuchuu Buranko.DrGeroCreation said: pretty much all of themHeredity said: Which Shaft moe anime production looks like this http://youtu.be/4LWpeqFGO74DrGeroCreation said: of course you would.Heredity said: I didn't get it :( but I disagree with Kuuchuu Buranko trying to emulate moe productions visually.DrGeroCreation said: i tried to fix it but meh.LOL you messed up the quotes. The artstyles used for the different Monogatari series looks good but I'm not really interested in the story and characters. I might still watch it in the future though. the joke was that he said there was an over-abundance of 'moe shit,' yet the anime he's obsessing over lately are pretty much trying to emulate moe productions (shaft predominately) visually. so they're 'unique.' |
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Red_Keys said: Of course it's unique. The characters in their shows tilt their heads more often than other company's.Yea, SHAFT knows all about unique. Just check out Nisekoi. Epitome of unique and interesting. |
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| No, I don't want anime to change. I find tons of anime I like within the parameters of complaint and tons of animes I like outside of. If the industry changes, it'll be because the main collection of individuals pouring money into it change what they want. |
Heredity said: DrGeroCreation said: if we're talking about military specifically, knock yourself out.Rashkolnikov said: Not really there are a lot more sol, romcoms than military anime.DrGeroCreation said: Why are people talking about old and new anime? The OP was talking about certain anime genres being more predominant than others not comparing new anime to old anime. My bad, but OP is wrong anyway. I think he should search more. Military - 5 Pages with lots of them being mecha which I dont count as pure military. Romance - 11 Pages SoL - 7 Pages altough only since Haruhi the genre has really risen to popularity that much. Other genres that where mentioned and are interesting to the discussion: Cyberpunk - 1 Page Steampunk - 1 Page only 6!!! Titles Post apocalyptic - 3 Pages Psychological - 3 Pages Medieval - 1 Page Martial Arts - 3 Pages Horror - 3 Pages Historical - 2 Pages Sure Comedy, Action and other big genre tags have like 20 something pages, but thoose are so general and not distinctive that as soon as someone throws a bottle at someone else its already action. Fact is some genres are pretty underrepresentended, now if its ok or not is another question. I think that the content adapts to the market and what sells, so if anything blame the japanese otakus. |
| Watch the new Mushishi tomorrow please. |
Heredity said: baki502 said: tmohs is about as 'slice of life' as fma.SoL - 7 Pages altough only since Haruhi the genre has really risen to popularity that much. I watched the first 2 seasons so I know. Its supernatural/sci-fi story behind it is superficial, in the end its just daily High school life with "uniqe" characters. Actually only the characters backgrounds are uniqe they just act like your other average anime characters. Its what annoys me the most, wasted potential, cause the idea behind it is ingenious, and I kept watching it for 2 whole seasons hoping something other than your average High school day would happen and some sort of story would occur. In the end hardly anything out of the ordinary happened. Edit: Please dont mention Endless Eight as an argument, Im trying my best to forget about that atrocity. |
baki502Apr 4, 2014 12:12 AM
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Heredity said: baki502 said: yeah, nothing out of the ordinary except:In the end hardly anything out of the ordinary happened. - a god that changes things without realising it. - a time traveler who has her future self occasionally pop in. - an esper who fights supernatural giants. - an alien ai being from a secret organisation who fights others similar to her. - trips into a computer to defeat a giant grasshopper screwing with your web page. - a movie shoot where the actor really turns into the super hero she's supposed to be. - a talking cat. - repeating the same school break millions of times (i'm mentioning it anyway 'cos i'm a rebel). - going back in time to meet your friend as a child. - ending up in an alternate false reality that needs to be fixed. so, yeah. haruhi is totally a slice of life series- like, except for all the stuff that makes it not one. lol. it's not a slice of life series that coincidentally takes place in an out-of-the-ordinary setting (think polar bear cafe), the whole 'haruhi is a god and everything's happening here for a reason' is actually the plot and the supernatural shit that goes on around her is what drives the plot forward. you can't just pretend it doesn't exist, that's silly. Except that nothing of it is excitingly out of the ordinary. If I remember correctly there was only a single! episode (episode 4 I think) where that esper guy took the main char into some otherworldy realm or whatever it was with the whole giants and things and explained some shit. (Its been a while). After that we have never seen that world ever again, and it just became daily life with small unordinary stuff. We see the esper fighting giants once, the ai being never really engages into fights with others, Haruhi's occasional changes to the world are minor/not exciting, and Kon is simply worthless. Dont try to sell Haruhi as a Supernatural/Mystery series cause its not. Slice of (slightly unordinary) life describes it still the best. |
| >"Haruhi Suzumiya" as a slice of life > Are you kidding me > Pls GTFO back to plebville Not even an attempt to achieve verisimilitude, so many supernatural occurrences and you still call this a Slice of Life? One thing is for sure, IF this is a slice of life anime, it sure didn't feel like it for me. "Slice of (slightly unordinary) life", does that mean Naruto is also a slice of life? A slice of ninja life? Does that mean Shit Art Online is a slice of life? A slice of a retarded-mmorpg-gamer-who-gets-stuck-inside-a-game-and-starts-acting-like-a-retard life? |
baki502 said: Heredity said: baki502 said: yeah, nothing out of the ordinary except:In the end hardly anything out of the ordinary happened. - a god that changes things without realising it. - a time traveler who has her future self occasionally pop in. - an esper who fights supernatural giants. - an alien ai being from a secret organisation who fights others similar to her. - trips into a computer to defeat a giant grasshopper screwing with your web page. - a movie shoot where the actor really turns into the super hero she's supposed to be. - a talking cat. - repeating the same school break millions of times (i'm mentioning it anyway 'cos i'm a rebel). - going back in time to meet your friend as a child. - ending up in an alternate false reality that needs to be fixed. so, yeah. haruhi is totally a slice of life series- like, except for all the stuff that makes it not one. lol. it's not a slice of life series that coincidentally takes place in an out-of-the-ordinary setting (think polar bear cafe), the whole 'haruhi is a god and everything's happening here for a reason' is actually the plot and the supernatural shit that goes on around her is what drives the plot forward. you can't just pretend it doesn't exist, that's silly. Except that nothing of it is excitingly out of the ordinary. If I remember correctly there was only a single! episode (episode 4 I think) where that esper guy took the main char into some otherworldy realm or whatever it was with the whole giants and things and explained some shit. (Its been a while). After that we have never seen that world ever again, and it just became daily life with small unordinary stuff. We see the esper fighting giants once, the ai being never really engages into fights with others, Haruhi's occasional changes to the world are minor/not exciting, and Kon is simply worthless. Dont try to sell Haruhi as a Supernatural/Mystery series cause its not. Slice of (slightly unordinary) life describes it still the best. I own the series and the only times something non-supernatural occur are when they're setting up the story and characters. So, maybe three or four episodes? But, you're opinions on it not being "exciting" doesn't change that it's not a Slice of Life. |
| Haruhi is not slice of life but has "SoL antics". Didn't change the fact that it sucked ho ho ho. |
Vudis said: Say that again, laughing one, and I'll internet sock you.Haruhi is not slice of life but has "SoL antics". Didn't change the fact that it sucked ho ho ho. Haruhi-ism is the essence of moe modern anime. |
Vudis said: Didn't change the fact that it sucked ho ho ho. True |
Heredity said: Who here owns an SOS armband and can do the Hare Hare?oh boy, i'd actually forgotten about haruhi-ism. that was a painful time to live through, back when anime was rising as a major fad (i don't think anime is anywhere near as popular in the west as it was 2007-2010). Anyone who fesses up gets bonus internet credit for being ballsy. |
Ckan said: Heredity said: Who here owns an SOS armband and can do the Hare Hare?oh boy, i'd actually forgotten about haruhi-ism. that was a painful time to live through, back when anime was rising as a major fad (i don't think anime is anywhere near as popular in the west as it was 2007-2010). Anyone who fesses up gets bonus internet credit for being ballsy. Shut up grandpa |
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Ckan said: Who here owns an SOS armband and can do the Hare Hare? Anyone who fesses up gets bonus internet credit for being ballsy. *cough cough* |
| too bad cutsy characters and fanservice have existed since the beggining of anime and its just what people found cute then has changed and not the pandering. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| While I suppose it would be nice to see a few more realistic military anime in addition to what's already out there as well as a few more mind-screwy type shows, that's just how things are. Whenever I talk to the older folks I know about anime, they can't seem to talk about anything other than "giant robot" shows and some of the crazy OVA's that were apparently commonplace back in the old days (like this one here). Now these are the same people who seem to complain about how mecha is supposedly a dying genre nowadays (which it isn't), so it just goes to show how things changed from basically what you're wanting to see more of to what you're seeing now. Give it another 20 to 30 few years and I'm sure anime will start to shift to other things and genres. Perhaps you'll dislike this newer focus even more than whatever the current focus supposedly is, but at least it'll be different. I'm sure by that time, I'll probably be one of the noisy farts running around MAL complaining about there being too many manly men doing manly things type anime and you'll be enjoying the sweet taste of my incessant tears. TheNaturalPerm said: Now I'm not usually one to quote other people when responding to silly offhand comments like the one highlighted here especially when the person I'm responding to is a dime-a-dozen "modern anime suckz" type of fan, but I think Blickwinkel did a good job of overviewing the foolishness of such a statement in their review of Gj-Bu a while ago:not even the characters in those tpye of shows are good. once again. it's just pandering to the otaku fanbase and anybody could write these kind of stories... [...] "Some people think that “shows about absolutely nothing” are very easy to make. After all, you just model four high school girls from the average character you find on TVTropes, throw them into a classroom/clubroom, and that’s it. Or is it? Being a person who has watched over a hundred slice of life series. I assure you that it’s actually harder to make a good anime about absolutely nothing, let alone brilliant. I think this is pretty much common sense for most gaijin. Most shows about four girls in a room doing nothing except talk are incredibly boring to watch. How many people didn't sleep through Acchi Kocchi? The list just goes on. However, when you make a show that’s supposed to be about absolutely nothing, you literally can’t add in plot devices that make the show more exciting. So if you can’t make it more exciting, how can you stop it from being boring? Yeah…this is not easy, yet GJ-Bu accomplishes this task brilliantly. As for how it does so, I will attempt to approach it from a systematic fashion with a little bit of high school maths." [...] And as far as being easy to write is concerned, the same can be said for pretty much any type of story, really. All you need is some kind of exposition, conflict, climax, and resolution (though some shows apparently feel fine satisfying only 2 or 3 of these items), regardless of how high on the bullshit scale it may end up being. I'm pretty sure anyone could come up with some half-baked story about as quickly as they could come up with a setting/gimmick and a bunch of personalities to fill it (i.e. the typical show people like to talk down to). The idea isn't simply writing them; it's writing them well. A good plot-driven show with amazing twists and a good pace and believable characters that resolves itself with a nice little bow is indeed difficult to write. Just as difficult, I'd argue, as writing a show where nothing happens and still managing to interest the viewer and actually entice them to want to go out, buy it, and then watch it again. Because as much as moe-haters try to argue this point home, the fact that the cast is a bunch of cute girls doesn't automatically make a show entertaining/tolerable to watch (though it's always, always a plus). And while there may be a bunch of shows that try and work off of the premise of "cute girls doing cute things", there are certainly many (or dare I say, the majority) that fall flat on their adorable faces while others stand out as the best of the best within their particular fandom. TheNaturalPerm said: 15?!don't get me wrong. It's perfectly fine with me to have 2-3 moe shows a season. but not...15. If ever such a magnificent season were to come to fruition, that would indeed be the day where anime has been saved. Unfortunately, however, I'm skeptical as to whether such a blessing would ever be the reality. In fact, haven't each of the past few seasons only had 2-3 actual CGDCT shows? |
AndyRayyApr 4, 2014 5:56 AM
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Heredity said: oh, oh. i see. it's just not up to your expectations of what should be exciting in a supernatural series and thus it must therefore be a slice of life anime. The expectations the show set up for itself. It was about episode 4-6 that set my expectations pretty high. I thought it would all end up in a big grand plot and it would go further from there, maybe with something going wrong and the earth going trough massive changes because of her, generally I was expecting something on a bigger scale to happen, but it never did. It just ended up to be a boring "mistery" of the day kind of anime, and all the backstory to it just felt like it didnt have a purpose, like they thought up the most interesting basis and then just stopped there and said lets just make some silly antics out of this potential grand story. You know youre right, its not really an SoL. But compared to the grand thing it could have been, it just feels to me like nothing really happens. And on a grander scale really nothing does, every occurence is on a pretty small scale. I mean your example alone proves my point, youve got a god, that could potentially destroy the whole fucking world, and what do you use that plot device for? For creating a giant grasshoper in a digital world which then you let the characters fight? Really? I hate it when animes tease you grand things and then nothing really happens, similar with the recent Nagi no Asukara. Also a really rich world with a strong basis for a really interesting story, but all it ended up being was a teenage rom-com drama. Enough ranting, this is about the presence of certain genres after all, not Haruhi. |
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