| I know some long running anime drag on and are packed with filler but I hate this idea that 12 episode anime are superior. I'd honestly have a hard time believing a 12 episode anime would be able to offer enough to compete with the likes of LOTGH or Monster. Heck I don't believe I've given an anime series that short a score higher than 8. Dunno though too lazy to look. Oh well I find most of what's popular here to be on the overrated side :P Excuse me for being stupid Ive been up all night and my brain is not functioning properly. |
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| Depends really. I find some 13-26 episode Anime that aren't popular here and are considered "old" by Otakus to be great. And I find long Animes to be a chore to watch now. |
| Because people don't have the patience to see the plot develop. The best anime I have ever watched are long (One Piece, Monster, Magi as it has two seasons, Kaiji two seasons, Dragon Ball Kai, FMA:B, Great Teacher Onizuka) And the worst ones were small anime (Golden Boy, Mars of Destruction, Samurai Champloo, Angel Beats) |
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| There is no 'hate'. Why would you misattribute people's complaints of 'boring filler', 'too long, won't watch', 'it never ends', and etc. as 'hate', it give off a totally wrong impression, and is conjuring up new 'hate groups' out of nowhere. |
Heredity said: You gotta be talking about thisSome of my favorite anime have only had 6-8 episodes, with a 3min run-time per episode. |
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lupadim said: Heredity said: You gotta be talking about thisSome of my favorite anime have only had 6-8 episodes, with a 3min run-time per episode. Inferno Cop for those who don't know. |
lupadim said: Heredity said: You gotta be talking about thisSome of my favorite anime have only had 6-8 episodes, with a 3min run-time per episode. I definetly love trigger |
| I liked the Plastic Nee-san shorts too. Anyway, as to the Op's question: it could be jealousy. Many people get mad that their favourite obscure anime that they think is the best thing ever will not get as popular as a long-running series, so they take on the task of hating the hell out of the series in a futile effort to fight its popularity. |
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BlackSabotage said: I'd honestly have a hard time believing a 12 episode anime would be able to offer enough to compete with the likes of LOTGH or Monster. Heck I don't believe I've given an anime series that short a score higher than 8. Dunno though too lazy to look. Oh well I find most of what's popular here to be on the overrated side :P Not as deep as LoGH or Monster but try AnoHana, it is a really well done slice of life drama series with only 11 episodes, even shorter than your normal one cour standard. On topic, hmm I have no idea why they hate it so much, but whatever I love long running series, unless they're constantly on hiatus, otherwise I prefer them more than the short ones. |
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| No one hates it because it's long running. They just don't like it. Hating =/= disliking, now I'm sure there are some people who hate it solely for the reason that it's long but they're not the majority. Thinking that a 12 episode anime can't be as good as LOTGH or Monster is also stupid. |
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| I wouldn't call it hate but there is definitely a bit of disdain for longer running series from certain people. There are a lot of reasons really: too long running to get into, idea that they are unnecessarily dragged on, personally finding them overrated and way too popular based off of their first impressions and the idea that a series being able to tell a good story in shorter time frame makes it more skillful. |
Emnay said: No one hates it because it's long running. They just don't like it. Hating =/= disliking, now I'm sure there are some people who hate it solely for the reason that it's long but they're not the majority. Thinking that a 12 episode anime can't be as good as LOTGH or Monster is also stupid. It would be pretty damn hard for a 12 episode anime to bring me the amount of enjoyment I got from LOTGH and Monstern. That's just my way of seeing it though. |
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CaptainYabuki said: ANJ certainly isn't a chore lol.Depends really. I find some 13-26 episode Anime that aren't popular here and are considered "old" by Otakus to be great. And I find long Animes to be a chore to watch now. |
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Nicobade said: I wouldn't call it hate but there is definitely a bit of disdain for longer running series from certain people. There are a lot of reasons really: too long running to get into, idea that they are unnecessarily dragged on, personally finding them overrated and way too popular based off of their first impressions and the idea that a series being able to tell a good story in shorter time frame makes it more skillful. I think I've said this before but I think the objective of shorter series and longer series are different. I think longer series generally try to get you addicted to the life of the cast if that makes sense. Like its less about the story and more about the characters and their numerous adventures. Sorry if that sounded stupid. |
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| 400+ episodes are often just stretched out. The reason they are long is not the abundance of extra content but the pandering of it. Same goes for chapters. I never watch 13 ep-long anime but I don't judge its quality. Just remember breaking bad had 7-episode long seasons. |
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| And some people don't like to simply watch "numerous adventures". While I've had some experience with longer series, my favorite ones are 25-50 episodes where the story is just long enough to develop the characters, explore the deep story, and a solid ending. I'd prefer a story than "the adventures of <insert character name here>". |
judals said: 400+ episodes are often just stretched out. The reason they are long is not the abundance of extra content but the pandering of it. Same goes for chapters. I never watch 13 ep-long anime but I don't judge its quality. Just remember breaking bad had 7-episode long seasons. I don't think their are that many 400+ episode anime. I was really thinking like 70+ episodes. |
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| You know longer series can give you time to attached to the character but the reverse also apply. The longer it get the longer you can feel disdain to a character. Personally if you look at my list I love long running since I feel it's worth my time that I invest seeing the character growth. |
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MotRin said: Well then that's you but some longer running series have executed deep solid stories such as Monster and LOTGH. Also what is deep anyway?And some people don't like to simply watch "numerous adventures". While I've had some experience with longer series, my favorite ones are 25-50 episodes where the story is just long enough to develop the characters, explore the deep story, and a solid ending. I'd prefer a story than "the adventures of <insert character name here>". |
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| A lot of people also tend to label many long-running anime as ''overrated,'' which does not have the same meaning as ''popular''. |
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AtorasuRaion said: A lot of people also tend to label many long-running anime as ''overrated,'' which does not have the same meaning as ''popular''. Essentially this, and because a lot of the fanbase which have invested in the long running animes for quite some time can become quite obnoxious and defensive about the anime which can be offputting in other people picking it up. Long running anime aren't simply hated though, that's ridiculous. If anything, people simply don't have the time to invest in that length of series, for an anime 80+ episodes long, you could fit at least 7/8 anime series in that time which you can get a lot of enjoyment/different types of discussion out of. |
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| Longer running anime have build up a very big fanbase over time, but it also gave others who don't feel fond of *given anime* the "opportunity" to analyze those series and point out what they feel are major flaws. Longer series also tend to suffer from quality loss as time goes by, which in return incites even more hate. And over time people like to join that "offensive" since on the internet, it becomes 1000x more easier to bash on a subject behind anonymous persona's and get away with it. |
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Yhuuro said: Longer running anime have build up a very big fanbase over time, but it also gave others who don't feel fond of *given anime* the "opportunity" to analyze those series and point out what they feel are major flaws. Longer series also tend to suffer from quality loss as time goes by, which in return incites even more hate. And over time people like to join that "offensive" since on the internet, it becomes 1000x more easier to bash on a subject behind anonymous persona's and get away with it. I've said this before, but shorter series also suffer from quality loss, and in most cases are far worse because they have zero chance to recover. Vexper said: AtorasuRaion said: A lot of people also tend to label many long-running anime as ''overrated,'' which does not have the same meaning as ''popular''. Essentially this, and because a lot of the fanbase which have invested in the long running animes for quite some time can become quite obnoxious and defensive about the anime which can be offputting in other people picking it up. Long running anime aren't simply hated though, that's ridiculous. If anything, people simply don't have the time to invest in that length of series, for an anime 80+ episodes long, you could fit at least 7/8 anime series in that time which you can get a lot of enjoyment/different types of discussion out of. The advantage of longer series though is that (if you like it), you get the equivalent of 7-8 series with characters you already love, situations you already know and more engaging suspense in the long run. You could try out 7 or 8 other series and many in those may just turn out to be awful or not nearly as engaging. |
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| Half of my ten's are above 50 episodes long so i can't say that i hate long anime series, the ones i "hate" are specific cases BlackSabotage said: I'd honestly have a hard time believing a 12 episode anime would be able to offer enough to compete with the likes of LOTGH or Monster. Really? Hellsing Ultimate, Madoka Magica, Detroit Metal City, Serial Experiments Lain, Paranoia Agent, Angel Beats!, Baccano! and Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku are just some examples of shorts anime generally well received. |
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pralan said: Just because they're well received doesn't mean they're actually that good or that I'd like them. Baccanoe and Paranoia Agent are great though. Half of my ten's are above 50 episodes long so i can't say that i hate long anime series, the ones i "hate" are specific cases BlackSabotage said: I'd honestly have a hard time believing a 12 episode anime would be able to offer enough to compete with the likes of LOTGH or Monster. Really? Hellsing Ultimate, Madoka Magica, Detroit Metal City, Serial Experiments Lain, Paranoia Agent, Angel Beats!, Baccano! and Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku are just some examples of shorts anime generally well received. Also just because something is good doesn't mean its best ever material. |
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| Because watching 520 episodes of shonen is not such a good time investment as 20 randomly picked 26 episode series (7.50+ MAL score preferably) |
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romagia said: Because there are a lot of shounen that actually have reached 520 episodes.Because watching 520 episodes of shonen is not such a good time investment as 20 randomly picked 26 episode series (7.50+ MAL score preferably) |
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RedRoseFring said: The advantage of longer series though is that (if you like it), you get the equivalent of 7-8 series with characters you already love, situations you already know and more engaging suspense in the long run. You could try out 7 or 8 other series and many in those may just turn out to be awful or not nearly as engaging. Very true of course, it also depends on if you really get invested in the longer series early on before you fall into filler traps or the few arcs which seem to drag a lot before your patience wears thin. Hajime no Ippo is roughly 75 episodes long and I'll sing its praises untill the day I stop watching anime as a whole. If you really sink your teeth into a series, the length of it can be a reward in itself just so you can spend a longer amount of time wrapped up in the characters and the world. There's quite a few very short series which I really could have sat and watched heaps upon heaps on episodes which featured those characters within that world just because I loved it so much. |
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BlackSabotage said: CaptainYabuki said: ANJ certainly isn't a chore lol.Depends really. I find some 13-26 episode Anime that aren't popular here and are considered "old" by Otakus to be great. And I find long Animes to be a chore to watch now. True True. |
Vexper said: LOTGH has no filler.RedRoseFring said: The advantage of longer series though is that (if you like it), you get the equivalent of 7-8 series with characters you already love, situations you already know and more engaging suspense in the long run. You could try out 7 or 8 other series and many in those may just turn out to be awful or not nearly as engaging. Very true of course, it all depends on if you really get invested on in the longer series earlier before you fall into filler traps or the few arcs which seem to drag a little before your patience wears thin. Hajime no Ippo is roughly 75 episodes long and I'll sing its praises untill the day I stop watching anime as a whole. If you really sink your teeth into a series, the length of it can be a reward in itself just so you can spend a longer amount of time wrapped up in the characters and the world. There's quite a few very short series which I really could have sat and watched heaps upon heaps on episodes which featured those characters within that world just because I loved it so much. |
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BlackSabotage said: Define filler. There were the history episodes, and the OVAs could also count.LOTGH has no filler. Wait.. noone even mentioned Logh... this is why people find logh fans obnoxious. |
| People bringing up Monster as an example of a good long series when it has atrocious pacing and should have been at least 20 or more episodes shorter. |
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| Because I have a very very low interest span. Not attention span but interest span as I get bored very quickly of something. An anime has to at least be on the quality level of what I would rate a 10/10 or maybe 9/10 for me to enjoy it for longer period of times. But often I even get slightly bored by anime that are only 26 episodes long, even tough I like them. Only long anime I remember enjoying a lot was Monster, Beelzebub, GTO and NANA. Altough Nana is more along the lines of medium anime I guess since its about 50 long. Soul Eater was also quite fun. But even those I mentioned the longest one is 77 episodes long, I dont like a single 100+ anime a lot. Also long running series tend to drag on the same situation a lot. I tend to dislike if a certain small sub-story, event in the anime tends to take longer than 5-10 episodes. The battle of Trost in Attack on Titan which took like 8 episodes was starting to feel like that, I just like variety. But things like one piece have like 50 episodes of the same setting fighting in the same place and battles taking multiple episodes. A good battle shouldnt take more than 2 episodes. |
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BlackSabotage said: Nicobade said: I wouldn't call it hate but there is definitely a bit of disdain for longer running series from certain people. There are a lot of reasons really: too long running to get into, idea that they are unnecessarily dragged on, personally finding them overrated and way too popular based off of their first impressions and the idea that a series being able to tell a good story in shorter time frame makes it more skillful. I think I've said this before but I think the objective of shorter series and longer series are different. I think longer series generally try to get you addicted to the life of the cast if that makes sense. Like its less about the story and more about the characters and their numerous adventures. Sorry if that sounded stupid. Okay I sorta agree with the first statement in general but not your explanation. It sounds like you are saying that longer series are non-continuous and character based which isn't really the case. Any series can rely on its characters for its appeal regardless of length and same with story focused series. |
Ckan said: BlackSabotage said: Define filler. There were the history episodes, and the OVAs could also count.LOTGH has no filler. Wait.. noone even mentioned Logh... this is why people find logh fans obnoxious. He mentioned LOTGH in his opening post plus LOTGH is an OVA. |
| They're long, so they're afraid of investing their time in it. pralan said: BlackSabotage said: I'd honestly have a hard time believing a 12 episode anime would be able to offer enough to compete with the likes of LOTGH or Monster. Really? Hellsing Ultimate, Madoka Magica, Detroit Metal City, Serial Experiments Lain, Paranoia Agent, Angel Beats!, Baccano! and Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku are just some examples of shorts anime generally well received. Angel Beats!? Seriously? |
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hybreezy said: People bringing up Monster as an example of a good long series when it has atrocious pacing and should have been at least 20 or more episodes shorter. Rather than starting a shitstorm, let's take a different approach. You say Monster should be atleast 20 episodes less, right? If so, please clarify which parts of the plot you felt were 'filler', that is, were unnecessary to the plot progression. You may use spoiler tags. |
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yhunata said: pralan said: BlackSabotage said: I'd honestly have a hard time believing a 12 episode anime would be able to offer enough to compete with the likes of LOTGH or Monster. Really? Hellsing Ultimate, Madoka Magica, Detroit Metal City, Serial Experiments Lain, Paranoia Agent, Angel Beats!, Baccano! and Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku are just some examples of shorts anime generally well received. Angel Beats!? Seriously? I give it a 5, that doesn't change the fact that some people love it, if i don't put Angel Beats like some example of a short anime well received someone will post "you forgot Angel Beats" so i just put it there before that |
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NoSurrender1690 said: romagia said: Because watching 520 episodes of shonen is not such a good time investment as 20 randomly picked 26 episode series (7.50+ MAL score preferably) going by mal ratings is foolish cause mall has the most bais userbase iv seen pr at lest 90% of then I don't really think it's bias. I find it more along the lines of people refusing to make use of the entire rating scale and instead only use 5-10, mostly 7-10. I still agree that MAL has extremely shit ratings though. |
CaptainYabuki said: So he did, and my mistake, I meant the Gaidens.Ckan said: BlackSabotage said: Define filler. There were the history episodes, and the OVAs could also count.LOTGH has no filler. Wait.. noone even mentioned Logh... this is why people find logh fans obnoxious. He mentioned LOTGH in his opening post plus LOTGH is an OVA. NoSurrender1690 said: My point being that they could be seen as unnecessary and 'filler', depending on certain peoples views. It's a common tendency to equate 'filler' with poor quality and lack of 'plot development'.all of that is in the novel there is no filler in that franchise yes maybe some people get introduced quick in the show than the novel but mimnus that Read the novels and then watch in proper order an you will see there is no filler The real issue is that while long and short series often have certain tendencies, they are also hardly a rule. |
pralan said: yhunata said: pralan said: BlackSabotage said: I'd honestly have a hard time believing a 12 episode anime would be able to offer enough to compete with the likes of LOTGH or Monster. Really? Hellsing Ultimate, Madoka Magica, Detroit Metal City, Serial Experiments Lain, Paranoia Agent, Angel Beats!, Baccano! and Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku are just some examples of shorts anime generally well received. Angel Beats!? Seriously? I give it a 5, that doesn't change the fact that some people love it, if i don't put Angel Beats like some example of a short anime well received someone will post "you forgot Angel Beats" so i just put it there before that You could've said, say, Free! instead, since it's much better than AB!. Hell, since you mentioned Baccano, you could've also said Durarara!! (same author). |
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BlackSabotage said: romagia said: Because there are a lot of shounen that actually have reached 520 episodes.Because watching 520 episodes of shonen is not such a good time investment as 20 randomly picked 26 episode series (7.50+ MAL score preferably) im not saying just one series, but the most famous certainly have (naruto one piece and dragonball) NoSurrender1690 said: romagia said: Because watching 520 episodes of shonen is not such a good time investment as 20 randomly picked 26 episode series (7.50+ MAL score preferably) going by mal ratings is foolish cause mall has the most bais userbase iv seen pr at lest 90% of then i cant think of many 26 episode series below 7.50 i liked |
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