Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works (TV) 2nd Season Episode 5 Discussion

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Maloghurst said:

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Lollo36 said:
You should have noticed that yours is a pointless fight. VN readers can bring up the "you're not smart enough to collect the dots" excuse, even though everything was spoon-fed to them in the source material and they have no idea about how they would have reacted if they were anime-only viewers.

I know. Maybe it was too naive of me for expecting a polite & informative discussion from that kind of Fate fan.
Yeah, I have been told many times here that it's all my fault for every criticism I make & I am not smart enough to understand this anime show. I am just glad that I managed to not reply them with insults.

Well, let me see if I understood it correctly.

You complained a few weeks ago that the hints with the pendant and everything related to it were too obvious and unnecessary, since you already figured that out. Then you complain, that there aren't enough hints about Shirou's self-healing and Taiga's relationship with Shirou, because you didn't catch on to that?

I mean, there are hints in the anime. Shirou's informal speech towards Taiga alone (at home, not at school) is usually a major indication that these two are very close, though I'm not sure if it's completely conveyed in the subs. I dare say it's pretty obvious for a Japanese to see that.

it's pretty obvious in the subs too....of course i have no idea what you could possibly want to furthur establish their relationship. Taiga spouting personal things about shirou, spending frequent eventings at his home, and being the only adult present in his life. the scene were she visited kiritsugu's grave is an indication that she is not one to be so quick to break face in front of people especially shirou considering how intimately she knows him. i mean there are hints and then there is blatant showing the characters in their everyday lives in almost real time....so i don't know what more someone could want to spell this out.Taiga has got as much screen time as she can possibly get and served as much relevence as she is going to have. i dont see a reason to bitch and cry over a character that did what they were suppose to do. or give them even MORE screentime when we have things such as reality marble talk placed into a 400 dollar box set and things such as the difference between magecraft and true magic completely left out...so far throne of heroes hasnt been brought up but i think it may be explained in an upcoming episode...they got plenty of time to go through some rather important shit.

how about spending longer in the graveyard scene or showcasing more serious caring side taiga DOES have, instead of focusing on slapstick romcom.

that's something, it would be nice but i would prefer something nicer, like establishing why Shirou is as into rin as much as he is. i want mentioning of projection magic before he pulled swords out of his ass, i want reality marble talk, i want Servant class characteristics and mechanics other than just "one has a bow, the other has a sword". the graveyard scene was fine the personal scenes with taiga were fine even with them coming off as they did. taiga has gotten plenty. if we were to hear more about tiaga i'd rather hear it from shirou.

So would I, but we are talking on how taiga could have been better established right now.

I do agree that mos tof that stuff would take priority over taiga tho.

May 7, 2015 11:18 AM

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Maloghurst said:

CookingPriest said:

Maloghurst said:

CapsuleCore said:

Pat_To_Do-List said:

Lollo36 said:
You should have noticed that yours is a pointless fight. VN readers can bring up the "you're not smart enough to collect the dots" excuse, even though everything was spoon-fed to them in the source material and they have no idea about how they would have reacted if they were anime-only viewers.

I know. Maybe it was too naive of me for expecting a polite & informative discussion from that kind of Fate fan.
Yeah, I have been told many times here that it's all my fault for every criticism I make & I am not smart enough to understand this anime show. I am just glad that I managed to not reply them with insults.

Well, let me see if I understood it correctly.

You complained a few weeks ago that the hints with the pendant and everything related to it were too obvious and unnecessary, since you already figured that out. Then you complain, that there aren't enough hints about Shirou's self-healing and Taiga's relationship with Shirou, because you didn't catch on to that?

I mean, there are hints in the anime. Shirou's informal speech towards Taiga alone (at home, not at school) is usually a major indication that these two are very close, though I'm not sure if it's completely conveyed in the subs. I dare say it's pretty obvious for a Japanese to see that.

it's pretty obvious in the subs too....of course i have no idea what you could possibly want to furthur establish their relationship. Taiga spouting personal things about shirou, spending frequent eventings at his home, and being the only adult present in his life. the scene were she visited kiritsugu's grave is an indication that she is not one to be so quick to break face in front of people especially shirou considering how intimately she knows him. i mean there are hints and then there is blatant showing the characters in their everyday lives in almost real time....so i don't know what more someone could want to spell this out.Taiga has got as much screen time as she can possibly get and served as much relevence as she is going to have. i dont see a reason to bitch and cry over a character that did what they were suppose to do. or give them even MORE screentime when we have things such as reality marble talk placed into a 400 dollar box set and things such as the difference between magecraft and true magic completely left out...so far throne of heroes hasnt been brought up but i think it may be explained in an upcoming episode...they got plenty of time to go through some rather important shit.

how about spending longer in the graveyard scene or showcasing more serious caring side taiga DOES have, instead of focusing on slapstick romcom.

that's something, it would be nice but i would prefer something nicer, like establishing why Shirou is as into rin as much as he is. i want mentioning of projection magic before he pulled swords out of his ass, i want reality marble talk, i want Servant class characteristics and mechanics other than just "one has a bow, the other has a sword". the graveyard scene was fine the personal scenes with taiga were fine even with them coming off as they did. taiga has gotten plenty. if we were to hear more about tiaga i'd rather hear it from shirou.

I agree apart from the stats which don't really translate too well to a visual medium in which the story is meant to feel natural like a movie unlike a VN which has a more video gamey spin.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.

May 7, 2015 11:43 AM

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black1blade said:

I agree apart from the stats which don't really translate too well to a visual medium in which the story is meant to feel natural like a movie unlike a VN which has a more video gamey spin.

it's possible to work just enough of the stat info in...we've seen it done before, plus this anime has already given us "power level gauging" without just upfront giving concrete ranks and numbers. I feel that explaining things such as the drawback to the berserker class would be better to establish the playing field and stress how powerful illiya is. (it would also retroactivly explain why the other berserker wasnt "nerfed" LOL) i think i'm mostly content with the them just saying "he has the power to fight the other 6 servants by himself" is enough to get the point across. but explaining the strengths and weaknesses of the classes would be good. then the audience can look on even more with their jaws dropped while assassin lays that ass spanking on saber in a straight sword duel. UBW is about breaking them pre established rules and taking you out of a your comfort zone.

May 7, 2015 12:13 PM

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I am really looking forward to the HF movies as the animation will be godly based on kara no kyoukai.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.

May 7, 2015 3:37 PM

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Lollo36 said:

You should have noticed that yours is a pointless fight. VN readers can bring up the "you're not smart enough to collect the dots" excuse, even though everything was spoon-fed to them in the source material and they have no idea about how they would have reacted if they were anime-only viewers.

Well, that escalated quickly. Talk about turning on your own side. If you're satisfied with this adaptation, then I'm sorry, but he is, too.

Pat_To_Do-List said:
I know. Maybe it was too naive of me for expecting a polite & informative discussion from that kind of Fate fan.
Yeah, I have been told many times here that it's all my fault for every criticism I make & I am not smart enough to understand this anime show. I am just glad that I managed to not reply them with insults

Don't believe him. Please. He obviously did not read any of KamiCity's posts.

May 7, 2015 5:30 PM

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Forgetfulness said:

Pat_To_Do-List said:

I know. Maybe it was too naive of me for expecting a polite & informative discussion from that kind of Fate fan.
Yeah, I have been told many times here that it's all my fault for every criticism I make & I am not smart enough to understand this anime show. I am just glad that I managed to not reply them with insults.

Really? That's really bad. If that's really the case, then maybe you should report those rabid fans.

That's not even the whole truth. "Criticizing the adaptation" is a huge understatement, especially in the case of Fai

Making up bullshit that quite clearly contradicts what is shown in the anime in order to count it as flaws (invisible rocks, Servant strength Shinji), screaming like a little child over any potentially bad rumors about the show with a bunch of "FUCK YOU MIURA!"s (Rin wearing blue, Shirou "ruining" Rins' plan), and going around calling AO-viewers "cancer of the internet"...

These are all things that he has done and probably still continues to do so. I honestly don't have that much of a problem with pointing out where the anime hasn't lived up to the visual novel and the users who do so in a civilized way, but being incredibly toxic and immature is pathetic and not excusable as "just criticizing the anime"

Frankly, when his criticisms start to become even pettier than normal, as they did in second season, I generally took that as a sign that on the whole things were actually improving because he was increasingly clutching at straws to come up with things to hate Miura for.

May 7, 2015 10:35 PM

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fst said:
Frankly, when his criticisms start to become even pettier than normal, as they did in second season, I generally took that as a sign that on the whole things were actually improving because he was increasingly clutching at straws to come up with things to hate Miura for.

Now that's an interesting point. I didn't notice it before, but you are actually right! It really seems like the quality of Fai's arguments are the reverse of the anime's quality, so when the quality of Fai's arguments drop, then that means the anime has become better and vice versa! Yes, this is now the new official unofficial measurement scale for the anime's quality!

But actually... never mind, the older methods are better after all.

May 8, 2015 3:11 AM

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Pat_To_Do-List said:

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SOME, but most needed the climax in order for the development to make sense.
No one said it was the same thing, the character development happened during the climax. The character development was not the climax.
The climax, or plot, was it's own thing, and the character development was it's own thing. It still happened during the climax, and it still needed the climax to be done properly.

It's implied, you are meant to connect the dots. Does it have to tell you, here it happens because of this? That's spoon feeding. You should be smart enough to figure it out on your own.

We do care. There is much more than just the silliness. You not wanting to care is your own personal problem, thats not the shows fault. Its your fault.

I just told you people do that in real life, how can't it be realistic if it happens for real? The play sword fighting with posters, the putting stuff in each others food, the begging for food when they know someone knows how to cook. All the comical things you complain about are things real people do, if real people do it how can you say it's not realistic?

What is anime-ish? Define generic. Those are vague words, they have very little meaning.
Life also has comical interactions between people, is life generic now also? Why can't it be considered good characterization? I see no real reason why it can't, all you have said is because you say so.

Whatever works, and that last sentence you typed, the one about adding, paying attention ect.... it's called analysis. It's a necessary component in forming criticism.

It seems that you're taking things so personally. Please do not be like that. And I am sorry for all of my fault.

Nah i'm pretty calm, it's not even trying to prove you wrong, it's just telling you how it is and why it is that way. Don't know why you think i'm taking it personally, other than the "sibling" thing, which you pretty much said the way we act is unrealistic.
Anyway Just trying to show you that there is a different way to criticize a show. Look up the difference between indirect characterization vs direct characterization.

Lollo36 said:

Pat_To_Do-List said:

KamiCity said:

Pat_To_Do-List said:

That's not true. Some characters in Baccano! would still be developed even if the climax did not happen, because that's just the way it is. So you cannot blend the two(plot development & character development) & call them the same thing.

SOME, but most needed the climax in order for the development to make sense.
No one said it was the same thing, the character development happened during the climax. The character development was not the climax.
The climax, or plot, was it's own thing, and the character development was it's own thing. It still happened during the climax, and it still needed the climax to be done properly.

No, I do not. What I am trying to say is you talk like Saber is confirmed to be the reason of Shirou's fast recovery in the anime when in fact it's not confirmed yet.

It's implied, you are meant to connect the dots. Does it have to tell you, here it happens because of this? That's spoon feeding. You should be smart enough to figure it out on your own.

If only their interactions were not always silly interaction, then that would at least make the viewers care more about Taiga.

We do care. There is much more than just the silliness. You not wanting to care is your own personal problem, thats not the shows fault. Its your fault.

Yes, I have siblings. Again, thank you for asking.
I never said about siblings were not supposed to be act silly & comical, I said that being all silly & comical in anime way just like the interaction between Taiga & Shirou are not that realistic.

I just told you people do that in real life, how can't it be realistic if it happens for real? The play sword fighting with posters, the putting stuff in each others food, the begging for food when they know someone knows how to cook. All the comical things you complain about are things real people do, if real people do it how can you say it's not realistic?

Their interactions are very anime-ish. It's very generic, almost every anime has that kind of comical interaction between characters. That does not mean it's bad, it's just generic & in no way it could be called as a good kind of character interaction.

What is anime-ish? Define generic. Those are vague words, they have very little meaning.
Life also has comical interactions between people, is life generic now also? Why can't it be considered good characterization? I see no real reason why it can't, all you have said is because you say so.

I think we should end the discussion here, because I already got what I want here. Thank you for your involvement.
And I think I need to learn how to add, pay more attention, be more patient, & not blatantly ignoring things.

Whatever works, and that last sentence you typed, the one about adding, paying attention ect.... it's called analysis. It's a necessary component in forming criticism.

It seems that you're taking things so personally. Please do not be like that. And I am sorry for all of my fault.

You should have noticed that yours is a pointless fight. VN readers can bring up the "you're not smart enough to collect the dots" excuse, even though everything was spoon-fed to them in the source material and they have no idea about how they would have reacted if they were anime-only viewers.

I said you "should be smart enough to connect the dots" not "you are not smart enough to connect the dots. There is a difference in the context. Also I said the same thing in the A/Z forums, that has no source source material so your argument is invalid. There is a simple thing called reading between the lines, (watching between the scenes in this case) that people seem to have forgotten how to do when making criticism. So was your post anymore than just jumping to conclusions, or do you actually have something meaningful to say?

Pat_To_Do-List said:

I know. Maybe it was too naive of me for expecting a polite & informative discussion from that kind of Fate fan.
Yeah, I have been told many times here that it's all my fault for every criticism I make & I am not smart enough to understand this anime show. I am just glad that I managed to not reply them with insults.

When did I insult you, saying you should be smart enough to do something vs saying you're not smart enough to do something is completely different. Don't misinterpret the discussion and try to make something when there is nothing there.

If you've been told multiple times by multiple people that your criticism is at fault, maybe there is a reason for it you know. Don't be stubborn and blame VN readers, you might actually have faulty criticism.

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May 8, 2015 3:29 AM

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Maloghurst said:

black1blade said:

I agree apart from the stats which don't really translate too well to a visual medium in which the story is meant to feel natural like a movie unlike a VN which has a more video gamey spin.

it's possible to work just enough of the stat info in...we've seen it done before, plus this anime has already given us "power level gauging" without just upfront giving concrete ranks and numbers. I feel that explaining things such as the drawback to the berserker class would be better to establish the playing field and stress how powerful illiya is. (it would also retroactivly explain why the other berserker wasnt "nerfed" LOL) i think i'm mostly content with the them just saying "he has the power to fight the other 6 servants by himself" is enough to get the point across. but explaining the strengths and weaknesses of the classes would be good. then the audience can look on even more with their jaws dropped while assassin lays that ass spanking on saber in a straight sword duel. UBW is about breaking them pre established rules and taking you out of a your comfort zone.

Hell, most of stat info can be shown or observed by Shirou, which would help showcasing his analytical skills, which there are none in anime...

THis is literally how miura perceives the characters (screencap from next episode)

I so wish this adaptation did not even exist.

May 8, 2015 3:37 AM

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CookingPriest said:

From a picture? Where is the video evidence?

lnsertanamehere said:

Tried that already actually.

Your best bet is to post criticism about the anime somewhere else. People don't like Ufo bashing here and get quite mad at it.

I'm rarely on here, plus when did I say anything to you? You reported me, really? Mods never told me anything so either they didn't see me doing anything wrong, or you're lying.

May 8, 2015 3:38 AM

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Great photoshop skills.

May 8, 2015 4:34 AM

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Othi-tan said:
Great photoshop skills.

Yeah what a pro, great denial skills.

May 8, 2015 4:36 AM

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Great random posters posting skills.

May 8, 2015 4:40 AM

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Ok https://twitter.com/Fate_SN_Anime/status/596557011862466560

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Here, bae.

https://twitter.com/Fate_SN_Anime/status/596557011862466560

May 8, 2015 4:40 AM

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Othi-tan said:
Great random posters posting skills.

May 8, 2015 4:44 AM

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Ok https://twitter.com/Fate_SN_Anime/status/596557011862466560

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Insertanamehere said:

Othi-tan said:
Great random posters posting skills.

Delete your post and commit sandpuku for getting sniped.

May 8, 2015 4:44 AM

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lnsertanamehere said:
Here, bae.

https://twitter.com/Fate_SN_Anime/status/596557011862466560

Google translate:
At 5/10 release Newtype · Comptiq-Animedia "Fate / stay night [UBW]" feature! Various person interviews and illustrations drawn me!

I might be wrong though..that one is official?

May 8, 2015 4:45 AM

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As I said great job at posting random posters

Let me do it as well.

"Sorry, I couldn’t hear you over my internal monologue."— Shirou

May 8, 2015 4:45 AM

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They definitely look like posters, except for that one with Archer running down the hill at Shirou with K&B.

Even then, definitely key artwork or something.

May 8, 2015 4:47 AM

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WrongPriest said:
They definitely look like posters, except for that one with Archer running down the hill at Shirou with K&B.

Even then, definitely key artwork or something.

That's not what Fai posted anyway.

May 8, 2015 4:47 AM

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Othi-tan said:
As I said great job at posting random posters

Let me do it as well.

"Sorry, I couldn’t hear you over my internal monologue."— Shirou

howaboutno

May 8, 2015 4:48 AM

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Othi-tan said:

"Sorry, I couldn’t hear you over my internal monologue."— Shirou

Is the joke that it's funny cause it never happens?

May 8, 2015 4:52 AM

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Insertanamehere said:

Othi-tan said:

"Sorry, I couldn’t hear you over my internal monologue."— Shirou

its funny cause it doesnt happen?

It's funny because it is exactly what you people do.Stuck in your own opinions never hearing anybody else.

Oh and using random posters as proof,spreading wrong info,being in denial of Nasu's work and ideas on the anime,playing victim etc.

May 8, 2015 4:57 AM

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lnsertanamehere said:

Oi,worm..reply to my post

May 8, 2015 4:58 AM

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O', you were quoting me. Thought that was Stev.

Yes, it's official.

May 8, 2015 5:06 AM

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chat77 said:

lnsertanamehere said:
Here, bae.

https://twitter.com/Fate_SN_Anime/status/596557011862466560

Google translate:
At 5/10 release Newtype · Comptiq-Animedia "Fate / stay night [UBW]" feature! Various person interviews and illustrations drawn me!

I might be wrong though..that one is official?

Yea seems right. The magazine will have interviews and illustrations "drawn for the occasion".

There is no sanity here, we are madmen engaging in usless folly.

May 8, 2015 8:19 AM

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The episode I liked, but the finish was not "terribly" exciting as I imagined; it is as if it missed the pathos that say: Oh, but how many tears I shed today, or was so unexpected that I've seen. Beautiful to look at, but leaves me a bit of a bitter taste. Not bad instead the clash between Lancer and Archer.
However, it is too fast narration.

May 8, 2015 1:50 PM

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Who cares about discussing episodes when we can discuss random users? Staying on topic is so 2002.

ANYWAY

Decided to catch up finally.

THE GOOD:

-Dat Ransa. dem glutes
-Gay Bulge penetrating Raw Ass was glorious. Lol'd at explosion (oh, ufo) but it looked pretty so I won't complain.The fight beforehand was a delight to watch as well, though I would have preferred it if it lasted longer. But I guess they didn't for budget reasons or something. Or they probably just wanted to cram as much as possible in the episode. Either or.
-Monologues! Shirou monologues! Let's see if this carries on. Let's see if this salvages anything eventually.

THE NOT SO GOOD:

-Blah blah still rushed and disjointed blah blah. It's as if they're trying to cram as much content per episode as they can get away with. And then some. I had no problems with pacing first cour, but I have to ask myself why didn't they add more content there if this is how 2nd cour is gonna go. I seriously hope that whatever it is that they have planned will be worth what they are doing now.
-Kuzuki flashback was not particularly necessary. Yes, we didn't know anything about him. Yes, characterization isn't a bad thing. But they didn't actually have the time to actually do much for his character so that scene just seemed nothing more than a death flag.
-Holy fuck, that Rin trash talk. It was beyond cringeworthy. Caster mocks her for thinking she stood a chance and Rin replies -with a hee hee face mind you- that Caster's robes are ugly. What. the. fuck? Is she five? Ugh. *tries to erase that scene from memory*
-Shirou fight was sad. Yeah, he loses but I would have liked to see it happen.
-[Insert obligatory 'still no projection explanation' here] I would love to see you try to walk out of this one, ufo.

THE MIXED BAG:

-Caster's death. There was nothing wrong with that scene tbh. It's just that it suffered because of previous episodes. We know nothing about her from the show except that she wants to 'go home'. Is that enough for her death to leave an impact?
-Too much content in an episode dims the impact of other events. Caster has been pretty important this route, even if there hasn't been nearly as much characterization as I would've liked. I think it would have been wiser to have ended the episode at her death so there could be better closure. Non stop plot just doesn't work as well on television as it does in written format. But of course, there's that mysterious thing that may or may not be worth it they're planning so cram they shall!

Overall, episode wasn't bad. Oh who am I kidding? I was practically foaming at my mouth during all Lancer scenes. It's just that for me, the potential effectiveness of the rest of the episode was diminished due to the questionable decisions in earlier episodes. 3.5/5

Actually, fuck it. 4/5 because Ransa.

May 8, 2015 1:53 PM

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-Monologues! Shirou monologues! Let's see if this carries on. Let's see if this salvages anything eventually.

Agreed with most of points, but this especially made me laugh when watching the episode.

> Ufo removes every single monologue that is important.
> The moment ufo decides to actually add a monologue for Shirou, it is one monologue that has no real purpose and has Shirou saying the most obvious thing possible.

oh ufo.

May 8, 2015 2:38 PM

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I don't know if I was just tired while watching this episode or this episode was just simple boring. I was literally falling asleep while watching this episode.

What I realise in this series is that when it comes to conversation between characters Its plain boring/straight forward. The dialogue lack depth, it just feels like what they're saying isn't important and the dialogue is just there just for the sake of dialogue. Only time I enjoy the conversation between characters is when some teasing is going on between them. When it comes down to talking about serious stuff, that's when I tend to get bored.

Anyways the fight was pretty anticlimactic/lame. I thought the execution was pretty bad on how those two died.

One thing I do like in this series is the fights. The animation is superb and smooth when it comes to fights in this series.

3/5 for this episode.

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CookingPriest said:

demonicpudding said:

-Monologues! Shirou monologues! Let's see if this carries on. Let's see if this salvages anything eventually.

Agreed with most of points, but this especially made me laugh when watching the episode.

> Ufo removes every single monologue that is important.
>The moment ufo decides to actually add a monologue for Shirou, it is one monologue that has no real purpose and has Shirou saying the most obvious thing possible.

oh ufo.

Like 80% of the monologues that were cut.

Like when Shirou got out of cover when they ambushed Kuzuki after Caster's threat,or choosing to jump down when Kuzuki was approaching Rin,or that Gil was dangerous, or that the fire was horrible,or when he sensed Archer's killing intent,or when he recognized an entire sword after having only looked at a broken hilt before etc...

But meh... explaining that Kuzuki isnt a dumb shit like Caster that was lured into the trap from Rin's trash talking isnt needed because it is obvious and ALL the rest arent....VN worship logic.

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May 8, 2015 5:08 PM

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demonicpudding said:
Who cares about discussing episodes when we can discuss random users? Staying on topic is so 2002.

ANYWAY

Decided to catch up finally.

THE GOOD:

-Dat Ransa. dem glutes
-Gay Bulge penetrating Raw Ass was glorious. Lol'd at explosion (oh, ufo) but it looked pretty so I won't complain.The fight beforehand was a delight to watch as well, though I would have preferred it if it lasted longer. But I guess they didn't for budget reasons or something. Or they probably just wanted to cram as much as possible in the episode. Either or.
-Monologues! Shirou monologues! Let's see if this carries on. Let's see if this salvages anything eventually.

THE NOT SO GOOD:

-Blah blah still rushed and disjointed blah blah. It's as if they're trying to cram as much content per episode as they can get away with. And then some. I had no problems with pacing first cour, but I have to ask myself why didn't they add more content there if this is how 2nd cour is gonna go. I seriously hope that whatever it is that they have planned will be worth what they are doing now.
-Kuzuki flashback was not particularly necessary. Yes, we didn't know anything about him. Yes, characterization isn't a bad thing. But they didn't actually have the time to actually do much for his character so that scene just seemed nothing more than a death flag.
-Holy fuck, that Rin trash talk. It was beyond cringeworthy. Caster mocks her for thinking she stood a chance and Rin replies -with a hee hee face mind you- that Caster's robes are ugly. What. the. fuck? Is she five? Ugh. *tries to erase that scene from memory*
-Shirou fight was sad. Yeah, he loses but I would have liked to see it happen.
-[Insert obligatory 'still no projection explanation' here] I would love to see you try to walk out of this one, ufo.

THE MIXED BAG:

-Caster's death. There was nothing wrong with that scene tbh. It's just that it suffered because of previous episodes. We know nothing about her from the show except that she wants to 'go home'. Is that enough for her death to leave an impact?
-Too much content in an episode dims the impact of other events. Caster has been pretty important this route, even if there hasn't been nearly as much characterization as I would've liked. I think it would have been wiser to have ended the episode at her death so there could be better closure. Non stop plot just doesn't work as well on television as it does in written format. But of course, there's that mysterious thing that may or may not be worth it they're planning so cram they shall!

Overall, episode wasn't bad. Oh who am I kidding? I was practically foaming at my mouth during all Lancer scenes. It's just that for me, the potential effectiveness of the rest of the episode was diminished due to the questionable decisions in earlier episodes. 3.5/5

Actually, fuck it. 4/5 because Ransa.

Some of your problems may be adressed by the BD version, as it seems the 2nd cour has a lot more BD additions than the 1st cour BD had. One episode is even confirmed to have 7 min extra in BD, which by itself is already more or less the whole amount of additions of the 1st cour.

May 8, 2015 7:48 PM

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Yeah what a pro, great denial skills.

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Othi-tan said:
Great photoshop skills.

First one looks like Archer is " a screaming retarded shonen hero." (Whatever the fuck that means)
Why didn't fai say anything about that one? Plus what's up with the two accounts using the same exact name?

May 8, 2015 9:39 PM

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You guys are getting worse each episode. Harassing and or abusing is not allowed and will be dealt with severely if you guys still continue to do this. Just because someone has a different opinion doesn't mean you all need to lash out on him/her. If they're the ones who come here each week just to criticize it, ignore them like plague—or even better, report 'em if they're somehow breaking the rules/trying to bait—there's a diff between an opinion and baiting btw.

May 9, 2015 2:13 AM

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Archer and lancer fight should have been whole episode,

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.

May 9, 2015 3:28 AM

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[quote=DamnThatsTheSpot]

Just a thought but maybe that's what will lead her to saber lily after sunny day's ending! I really hope something like this! :)

May 9, 2015 3:39 AM

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DamnThatsTheSpot said:

Wth?! How did I not see this pic?! Ponytail Saber is best Saber!

May 9, 2015 3:56 AM

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keragamming said:
What I realise in this series is that when it comes to conversation between characters Its plain boring/straight forward. The dialogue lack depth, it just feels like what they're saying isn't important and the dialogue is just there just for the sake of dialogue.

I don't know what you're talking about, I would have been completely lost if Archer hadn't told me that Gae Bolg might even be stronger than the original Gungnir.

May 9, 2015 4:30 AM

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Lollo36 said:

keragamming said:
What I realise in this series is that when it comes to conversation between characters Its plain boring/straight forward. The dialogue lack depth, it just feels like what they're saying isn't important and the dialogue is just there just for the sake of dialogue.

I don't know what you're talking about, I would have been completely lost if Archer hadn't told me that Gae Bolg might even be stronger than the original Gungnir.

You mean the Gungnir from Odin's legend that is essentially the prototype to Cu Chulainn's Gae Bolg? Oh how dare a series based around ancient mythology make a refrence to you know, ancient mythology. Especially when it has to do with it's own myth.

You do know what Allusions are correct? Here you go, just in case you need to do some research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allusion

May 9, 2015 4:41 AM

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KamiCity said:

Lollo36 said:

I don't know what you're talking about, I would have been completely lost if Archer hadn't told me that Gae Bolg might even be stronger than the original Gungnir.

You mean the Gungnir from Odin's legend that is essentially the prototype to Cu Chulainn's Gae Bolg? Oh how dare a series based around ancient mythology make a refrence to you know, ancient mythology. Especially when it has to do with it's own myth.

You do know what Allusions are correct? Here you go, just in case you need to do some research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allusion

It was a joke, don't take it seriously.

May 9, 2015 4:43 AM

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Lollo36 said:

It was a joke, don't take it seriously.

Ehh you coulda just said something funny.

May 9, 2015 4:47 AM

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KamiCity said:

Lollo36 said:

It was a joke, don't take it seriously.

Ehh you coulda just said something funny.

OK. I really don't want to continue this, but neither me nor Keragamming said anything about the dialogue being incorrect.

May 9, 2015 4:55 AM

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Lollo36 said:

keragamming said:
What I realise in this series is that when it comes to conversation between characters Its plain boring/straight forward. The dialogue lack depth, it just feels like what they're saying isn't important and the dialogue is just there just for the sake of dialogue.

I don't know what you're talking about, I would have been completely lost if Archer hadn't told me that Gae Bolg might even be stronger than the original Gungnir.

Or when Archer out of nowhere talked about caster "mimicking true magic". Truly insightful and complete explanations.

The show throws around terminology(projection, circuits, etc) while cutting out explanations on wtf they even are.

GG Ufotable

May 9, 2015 5:02 AM

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Lollo36 said:

KamiCity said:

Ehh you coulda just said something funny.

OK. I really don't want to continue this, but neither me nor Keragamming said anything about the dialogue being incorrect.

I didn't say anything about it either, other than it was a reference to the legend of Lancer, and a literary device known as an allusion.

CookingPriest said:

Or when Archer out of nowhere talked about caster "mimicking true magic". Truly insightful and complete explanations.

The show throws around terminology(projection, circuits, etc) while cutting out explanations on wtf they even are.

GG Ufotable

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May 9, 2015 5:12 AM

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That a spoiler, you know ~.~

The sun is a deadly laser

May 9, 2015 5:49 AM

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KamiCity said:

Lollo36 said:

OK. I really don't want to continue this, but neither me nor Keragamming said anything about the dialogue being incorrect.

I didn't say anything about it either, other than it was a reference to the legend of Lancer, and a literary device known as an allusion.

CookingPriest said:

Or when Archer out of nowhere talked about caster "mimicking true magic". Truly insightful and complete explanations.

The show throws around terminology(projection, circuits, etc) while cutting out explanations on wtf they even are.

GG Ufotable

RM talk wasn't even good in the BD tbh, it was just a name drop basically.

May 9, 2015 5:51 AM

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nocorras said:

KamiCity said:

I didn't say anything about it either, other than it was a reference to the legend of Lancer, and a literary device known as an allusion.

RM talk wasn't even good in the BD tbh, it was just a name drop basically.

Haven't watched the BD's but that justs adds to what I said.

May 9, 2015 6:49 AM

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