xamantra said: oh man, you're missing out on one of the best anime out there. and there's no loli in dragon maid. Last time I checked there was a loli named Kana in the show, and a shota literally named shota. Also, pretty funny seeing all this hypocrites saying that shotas are disgusting and lolis are cute and the best thing ever. |
Frat_Snap said: slightycognizant said: Hot take of the day: Lolicon (likewise for Shotacon) should be questioned heavily in media. In the same way that people fight against child beauty pageants, people should be critiquing Japan's liberal usage of displaying depictions of underage children in sexualized* situations. People often have it in their minds that this argumentation belies the fact that "you are not hurting real people" (similar retort as "video games don't cause violence") and that is, of course, true. The only thing is that people are missing is that people are talking about normalization of said behaviors. In the same way that you won't commit acts of violence in the name of Donkey Kong Country for the N64; the acts of violence perceived in games like the COD or Battlefield franchise normalize, or desensitize said actions. You won't suffer the same amount of shock from the 100th viewing of gore as the 1st. Same goes for depictions of Lolis/Shotas shown in a sexualizing way. There are ways that people can address this behavior. By critiquing the media they consume, raising concerns to creators on how they should portray something, better education on how to cover topics like this, etc. *and only sexualized situations So if it's not causing people to go commit crimes then what's the issue? One issue, that I so often pair with this topic, is that Japan has a massive issue with groping in trains and how they feel about the autonomy of women. It's not news that Japan has a huge problem with groping and this has been so pervasive to the point that one of the most promising mangaka has been caught groping middle schoolers while riding a bike and is facing repercussions for it. The thing is that as long as people bring awareness to the issue the more likelihood that the behavior will be seen as a nuisance. Thing is that we don't have accurate statistics on the damage this can do because pedophiles aren't able to seek help because of the (earned) stigma towards their attraction towards children. But we do know for a fact that the rise in sexual depictions of minors correlates with the rise of CSA but you can't draw a distinct line of causation because of the lack of research of this field. TL;DR: we need more research on this topic but the best case to solve the possibility of it happening is if you raise awareness of harms certain types of material can do; which is something I propose. I don't think censorship nor uncritical consumption of the material can really fix this nuanced topic. |
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| The less of them there are, the better the show can be. |
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| I've never understood why people hate shotas so much why they would be disgusting and don't think so about lolis. It's like saying: «I think that women are beautiful, but men are disgusting». I don't think I have to say anymore. |
| Lolis in anime = 😎 Lolis in hentai = 🤢 |
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| Lolis in anime are free head pat material. |
johizo said: No, I mean, it really sounds sexist. But this is just how I see that.CrazyDiamond156 said: Well, double standards are common here.I've never understood why people hate shotas so much why they would be disgusting and don't think so about lolis. It's like saying: «I think that women are beautiful, but men are disgusting». I don't think I have to say anymore. |
CrazyDiamond156Nov 16, 2020 3:29 AM
| I like them depending on their design, since it's very hit or miss with most anime. A lot of shows decide to just go with the generic, soulless, technicolor hair instead of trying to come up with a simple design that actually wields some personality. |
| Honestly I don’t care much for the majority of lolis. I think they’re very overrated when it comes to shows and other stuff and idk why so many people find them appealing, let alone sexually attractive. Shotas are kinda meh to me too tbh. |
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Peaceful_Critic said: @Chiibi NGNL actually did have Shiro and Sora kissing on the lips in the episode they introduced Jibril in. Yes, I addressed that. It was only because she removed the oxygen. Plus, I'm pretty sure, Shiro had moments where a crush on her brother was heavily implied. In the VR game, the 1st thing Shiro did when she heard whoever gets shot with the gun becomes a love slave is to shoot Sora with a smile on her face(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4QCP6f8vg8). Furthermore, after that very picture Catalano showed, Shiro's response was: "brother rejected me". I know she does...but it's not outright incest unless they are blood-related AND it's reciprocated by Sora...neither of which seems to be the case. |
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The only issue is people going "Waaaah I'm uncomfortable" so instead of just AVOIDING it like a reasonable, intelligent person, they want to eradicate it from existence because they can't figure out the world in fact does NOT evolve around their expectations and comforts. We refer to this as "being entitled as fuck." As you can tell, I'm very disgusted by the whole thing. |
ChiibiNov 16, 2020 10:51 AM
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| Only problem I have wiht it would be people doing lewd art and sharing it on Twitter. That's something that make me sick. Even if it's made up art I'm not really ioto what they are sharing time to time. Anime/Manga/VN so far I do not have any kind of problem with it. |
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Rift026 said: Shotas are disgusting. :vomit: AlexPaulLEWZ said: Lolis... are angels that must be protected. Lolis, I will protect them. I will FIGHT you for them—you will not hurt anyone of them. For you see, there are some things in life worth protecting, some things worth living for, some things worth dying for. The grace of lolis can thaw the iciest of hearts, dispel the darkest of evils and win the mightiest of wars. They will pull us from the depths of despair and lead us to the path of salvation. Wars will be fought, people will be saved, and civilizations will prosper because of their pulchritude. Since time immemorial I have solemnly swore to shield them from all harm that may come to them, all dangers they may possibly face, and give my life for them. Shotas are disgusting. :vomit: Truly a man of culture right here........[/quote] Yes. Thank you for that remark |
| Dislike. I have dropped a few animes because I couldn't stand that all the male characters actually look their age (16 or older) while the female characters all look like 10-year-olds. It's just not my thing at all. I don't mind them so much if they're not being sexualized or not being forced in relationships with characters that look way older than them, but the issue is that a lot of them still have the same stereotypical characteristics, and that's a meh from me. I really don't get the appeal of tsundere lolis especially. Screw whoever made that a trend. I only find the concept of them truly disturbing when the creator explicitly mentions them being underage. Like, a sexualized loli who is a 18-year-old just makes my eyes roll, but a sexualized loli who is also actually supposed to be a 12-year-old? That's just gross and makes me seriously question the creator's morals. Best example of this is No Game No Life. I really enjoyed watching the anime but after someone pointed out Shiro is constantly sexualized despite being canonically a 11-year-old makes me not want to interact with that anime or manga anymore. |
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shrapn3l said: Chiibi said: The only issue is people going "Waaaah I'm uncomfortable" so instead of just AVOIDING it like a reasonable, intelligent person, they want to eradicate it from existence because they can't figure out the world in fact does NOT evolve around their expectations and comforts. We refer to this as "being entitled as fuck." As you can tell, I'm very disgusted by the whole thing. 1) Is it really the case that "causes crime" is the only barometer by which you can measure how harmful or immoral something is? 2) Can't you just as easily say that lolicon are "entitled as fuck" for thinking that the sizable majority of human beings who think sexualizing children is gross and potentially dangerous shouldn't voice their opinions about it? you said this earlier They are drawings so it's either ALL bad or NONE of it is. Judging and condemning others based on their taste in anime is far more disgusting and "degenerate" than anything the anime could feature. Isn't that just clearly a ridiculous stance? Most artists don't intentionally or blatantly make art that is offensive, but say they do. Say, for example, there's a really great looking anime that's glorifies misogyny. Like, there are a bunch of sexually promiscuous women or something, and they just get insulted, beaten, brutally murdered by men who are just mad about how the girls are too "slutty" or something. But there are some fans who are like "well, it looks pretty excellent. It's actually a well animated show." You're telling me that it's wrong for a person to say "that's offensive?" That any person who complains is more degenerate than the content itself? That we need to be worried about how the artist feels if we tell them "you've done something wrong," when they've just CLEARLY done something wrong? Sometimes offensive or harmful content isn't THAT obvious, but people should feel free to point out if they think it is. I don't see how you can think there's some hard and fast rule that it's wrong to complain about something just because there are fans who don't realize or don't care that there's something potentially harmful about it. I am not complaining about "people complaining". I am complaining about people trying to erase something or trying to ruin real lives over a piece of paper and ink. YES, there is a difference between stating your opinion and taking action to get said thing DESTROYED so nobody else can look at it. Don't you think that's going way too far? If you talk to librarians, they will tell you "Yes, censorship is worse than the content being censored." It's taking away freedom of expression. That we need to be worried about how the artist feels if we tell them "you've done something wrong," when they've just CLEARLY done something wrong? There is no "right" or "wrong" in art because it is art. Don't like it? Don't look at it. There's no good reason why art should have to obey the "laws" of society...as long as no harm is being done in order to create the art. I.e. naked human children models "for art" definitely should be illegal if it is a real child. "Potentially harmful", huh? Even friggin CARS have far more potential to harm someone than fictional media does. Shall we get rid of cars because they have the "potential" to kill people then? Artists should also not be held responsible for others' actions either. We are not baby-sitters and we are not educators to the ignorant of 'right and wrong'. Yet people EXPECT us to be. That is not justice. That makes no sense. For example, if a child jumps off the roof because he saw Spider-man do it, do we blame Stan Lee? No, we blame the f*ck-witted parent who wasn't watching their goddamn kid. This is the exact same shit as that. ) Is it really the case that "causes crime" is the only barometer by which you can measure how harmful or immoral something is? um....how on earth ELSE would you measure it? Lol. 'Immoral' is already somewhat subjective, depending on the country you're from. |
ChiibiNov 16, 2020 6:52 PM
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greymood said: they're made for deviant scum. anyone who actually like this should seek help asap agree i dont like them at all , cringey fanservice. name one that isnt fanservice |
| I mean, I don't think the post was talking about loli's in hentai. just anime in general, this pedophile debate on this thread is kinda uncalled for lol. not everyone really watches hentai. |
Geel said: yaruka said: I mean, I don't think the post was talking about loli's in hentai. just anime in general, this pedophile debate on this thread is kinda uncalled for lol. not everyone really watches hentai. There are lolicons and sexualised lolis in anime too, not just hentai. I find it especially ironic you say this with a Monogatari avatar... I guess it depends on what you consider to be overt sexualization. Anime I've seen doesn't really push past "highly suggestive". You used Monogatari as an example, it is undeniable that there are many suggestive scenes (In my country Australia where child protection predecent is applied to fictional characters (child pornography criminal law applies to anime) it is classified as "Strong Sexual Themes", see below), however, I can recall some of the most suggestive scenes but I do not think any of them could be considered that overtly sexual to be ruled off as material for pedophilia. edit: but yeah honestly, if something as mild as Monogatari becomes viewed as a serious target for censorship then I will have lost all faith in freedom of expression. |
yarukaNov 17, 2020 1:20 AM
| As somebody who has literally 50% of their anime list being SOL anime with probably a loli or shota in it, I find them to be fine. Sometimes I may come to enjoy them, sometimes they're just like any other character. Honestly nothing special, ravoli ravoli don't lewd the dragon loli. |
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| its fine if theyre just there to be cute. its really distasteful when they go on sexulizing them |
| I like em just not in hentai. That shit ain't cool. |
Hero_Mitsuru said: name one that isnt fanservice Um, gladly. Kami-sama ni Natta Hi Little Busters Mythical Detective Loki Ragnarok Chrono Crusade Tench Muyo Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni Future Boy Conan ...and I'm sure there are more...that's just off the top of my head for now. |
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shrapn3l said: How is a parent supposed to control literally everything a child views, let alone says and does? Deny them any alone time with a tv or phone until they're 21? Um...how about sitting down with them and talking to them about "right and wrong" and "fantasy and reality differences?" If a parent can't take fifteen or so minutes out of their day to simply do that, they should not be a parent. It's so easy. Why SHOULDN'T entertainment industries be held responsible to some degree for the content they put out? They do; that's where ratings come from. Is it their fault that the child is naughty or the parents are negligent? Uh, no. And why is a librarian some kind of special authority on the matter exactly? Because this crap happens all the time with books getting banned or censored. They are experts on this subject. The First Amendment right being taken away is far worse than 'tasteless or controversial content in media' because it affects REAL people instead of fictional people. Is that so difficult for you to grasp or? Isn't it at least as reprehensible for art to be shaped by commercial demand as it is for it to concede to moral demand? I would posit it's far worse. Lol nah. Also, I don't care that ugly women are mad about beauty messages in marketing....cause it's not my problem cause I am not ugly or fat. :D And promoting 'fat is beautiful' is actually a very bad idea too. People should not be encouraged to be fat. If companies COULD profit off products for fat-positivity, they would. But I think most people just do not find being fat 'attractive'. Oh yes, fat women are thrilled when they see fat characters in media 'because relatable!' But it's not likely they find fat men attractive. So it's quite ironic, I think. Anime isn't completely responsible, but it isn't innocent either. Even if they don't commit crimes themselves, isn't it fair to say THEY are being harmed? How are they "being harmed"? Because they choose to be alone? So what? It's THEIR choice and they seem perfectly happy that way. Does fanservice anime "prey" on the lonely and horny to get money from them? Certainly but again, it's their choice to watch it in the first place. |
ChiibiNov 17, 2020 12:20 PM
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| I don't think lolicons/shotacons are pedophiles unless they're attracted to real children. |
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| My opinion on them is the same as any of architype of character |
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