Kanojo, Okarishimasu 2nd Season Episode 6 Discussion

Opticflash said:


They are not bad though. Most are average. Chizuru is quite well written/portrayed. Weird is not a negative trait.

Moxxyyyyy said:

they are bad THOUGH.
Remember when the mc masturbated while imagining his ex? yeah that's what I call a weirdo, and it indeed is a negative trait.

Opticflash said:


They are not bad though.

You are confusing weird with poorly written character. Weird =/= negative trait, otherwise genres such as comedy would never work. That's not logical.

I had no problem seeing him masturbate to his ex ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Moxxyyyyy said:

You don't get my point, them being weird alone would not make them bad, but they are poorly written, so thats what makes them trash. and u had no problem seeing that virgin masturbate to his ex? you need to rethink your life choices man

Opticflash said:


You claimed that weirdness is a negative trait. I am saying it's not. You used an example of him masturbating to suggest that he's poorly written. I am saying that's not what makes him poorly written.

Moxxyyyyy said:

so you think him masturbating to his ex bitch was good? and there are levels to weirdness, just a lil bit weird is fine, but he's on another fucking level, I have never seen character as down bad as him, he is also VERY poorly written, and that's a fact.

Opticflash said:


The portrayal of him masturbating to his ex by itself does not define how well written he is, thus it neither makes his character good nor bad in terms of writing quality.

Your whole argument is basically "I don't like seeing character A do X (or character A does weird things), therefore character A is poorly written". That's a flawed argument because preferences have nothing to do with writing quality.

Moxxyyyyy said:

Dummy, he is poorly written+ weird. what part of it don't you get? all he does is simp 24/7, literally nothing else.

Opticflash said:


Dummy, none of what you've described justify him being poorly written. You don't even know what that means. Weird =/= negative trait.

Moxxyyyyy said:

You keep saying that weird is not a negative trait, WHEN DID I SAY THAT IT WAS? He is poorly written, tell me ONE good thing about him, I'll wait.

Moxxyyyyy said:

they are bad THOUGH.
Remember when the mc masturbated while imagining his ex? yeah that's what I call a weirdo, and it indeed is a negative trait.

Opticflash said:




There you go, quote in bold. You claimed his weirdness is a negative trait. Did you only mean to say that weirdness is a personality flaw, or that weirdness indicates poor writing?

He is not poorly written. The onus is on you to justify your argument. You won't come up with anything rational anyway.

Moxxyyyyy said:

yeah his weirdness is a personality flaw, for me everything about him is trash, personally - trash, writing - trash, character development - does not exist. As i said before, tell me 1 good thing about him, I will wait once again.

Opticflash said:


Personality flaw is irrelevant to me; anti-heroes in any show have personality flaws. They in no way indicate the quality of a writing (nor of my enjoyment of a series), thus I do not care about such trivial things. Him having a personality flaw does not matter to me whatsoever, otherwise I'd stick only to superhero shows that teach the audience good moral values.

You have in no way justified him being poorly written because you are incapable of doing so.

Opticflash said:


Personality flaw is irrelevant to me; anti-heroes in any show have personality flaws. They in no way indicate the quality of a writing (nor of my enjoyment of a series), thus I do not care about such trivial things. Him having a personality flaw does not matter to me whatsoever, otherwise I'd stick only to superhero shows that teach the audience good moral values.

You have in no way justified him being poorly written because you are incapable of doing so.

Moxxyyyyy said:

Here, I copied facts from google since I'm too lazy to write an entire essay.

This is one of the few animes that was actually physically difficult to watch. It wasn’t because it was necessarily bad, but it is one of the cringiest ones I’ve ever watched. The main character is Kazuya who is immediately dumped by his girlfriend Mami at the onset of the show. Driven by despair, Kazuya finds an app that allows you to rent a girlfriend for a date. He ends up getting Chizuru and the two have what seems like a perfect date. Of course, Chizuru was just doing her routine, it is her job after all, and Kazuya initially gets upset after seeing reviews of others describing similar dates. He books her again, ostensibly to tell her off, but during their date his grandma is apparently in the hospital and they both go to see her. The main drama gets setup here with both parties lying that they’re really dating, Chizuru’s grandma is an in-patient there too and doesn’t know about her job, and awkwardness ensues. Things are further complicated by the fact that both of them not only go to the same school, but live next to each other. Similar events occur with more and more lies causing Kazuya to keep renting Chizuru to save face. Mami also grows jealous of Kazuya now and schemes to break up the fake relationship. Apparently, as the series goes on more girls are added and it becomes harem-esque but he keeps renting Chizuru during all of it.

I personally cannot deal with cringe. I don’t know if it’s because I’m too empathetic or what but watching it makes me physically uncomfortable. Kazuya keeps making poor decisions after poor decisions and ends up in so many awkward positions, and is just an awkward person in general, that I struggled to keep watching how things would turn out. Kazuya is also made very horny, to the point that we see a few of his lewd visions and implies masturbation, so that’s also a thing (oh and of course sexualized shots of the girls). This is a trash anime to be sure, though your mileage may vary on if this is the kind of trash for you.

Is it trash? YES

Why would I waste my time listing things that make him a poorly written character? I told you to tell me just ONE good thing about him but u did not, simply because you cant.

Opticflash said:


No part of this post explains why Kazuya, or the story, is poorly written. The first paragraph is a synopsis. The second paragraph explains that the reviewer is uncomfortable watching the show. That's it, nothing else. There is no insightful analysis whatsoever on the author's development of the characters and his style of writing, nor of the producer's audio and visual techniques in portraying a theme.

Moreover, it's as if the reviewer did not understand that the author's main plot premise is to put the characters in awkward, tense situations via their decisions, thus making the audience "physically uncomfortable". My guess is that the reviewer does not even comprehend the point of the story.



You basically want me to describe to you one good personality trait he has which misses the point entirely. To reiterate, it is not about personality traits; they do not matter in a quality of a story nor of my enjoyment of a series.

Please explain why he's poorly written.

Opticflash said:


No part of this post explains why Kazuya, or the story, is poorly written. The first paragraph is a synopsis. The second paragraph explains that the reviewer is uncomfortable watching the show. That's it, nothing else. There is no insightful analysis whatsoever on the author's development of the characters and his style of writing, nor of the producer's audio and visual techniques in portraying a theme.

Moreover, it's as if the reviewer did not understand that the author's main plot premise is to put the characters in awkward, tense situations via their decisions, thus making the audience "physically uncomfortable". My guess is that the reviewer does not even comprehend the point of the story.



You basically want me to describe to you one good personality trait he has which misses the point entirely. To reiterate, it is not about personality traits; they do not matter in a quality of a story nor of my enjoyment of a series.

Please explain why he's poorly written.

Moxxyyyyy said:

The story is obviously poorly writte, a harem anime with a dogshit mc will always be poorly written, one day the author woke up and decided to come up with the most retarded shit I have ever seen.
A mc that wants to have sex with every single female he sees but only loves one? yep that's the mc of rent a shit.
Rental girlfriends who somehow started to like a nolife dumbass like him? yea that's a very good story, right?
the author gave useless rental girlfriends more screentime than the girl who the mc actually loves, WOW WHAT GREAT WRITING SKILLS.
Here I will link you an yt explaining why the show is bad, and bad means poorly written, does not it?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bPPeN6TkttY
Those 3 reasons as to why he is poorly written should be enough, the other characters are retards too, obviously. And the point of the show is to put the characters in awkward situations? That's literally so garbage, it gets repetitive as FUCK, not to mention the mc being a PUSSY and not revealing his feelings to the girl he has a crush on (I forgot both his and her name, that's how shit they are).
iirc the manga has more than 250 chapters, STILL NO PROGRESSION, the author is milking the shit out of the series, how can't you end a ROM-COM within 200 chapters? the mc still has not told his feelings toward *her* and Im 100% sure the ending of the series will be him confessing, in 5-10 years, that is.

Moxxyyyyy said:

Tell me why you think he is a good written character, that's all I want to know

Opticflash said:


You do not understand what writing quality entails. None of what you've described indicate a poorly written story, only that you do not like how the story is set up.



I did not say he's a well written character. I am saying you do not have any good justification to claim that he's a poorly written character.

What you've done is complain about Kazuya's behavior and the plot premise (and also failing to realize the author's focus). None of that had anything to do with what is or isn't well written.

Moxxyyyyy said:

The authors main focus is to make money, that's it, he's milking the shit out of the series, a romcom that is still publishing after 250 chapters AND without any progression is poory written.
Did you watch the yt video I linked you? just watch the part where he explains why the story is bad.

Opticflash said:


I am not talking about the author's focus to make money. I am talking about the author's focus for the story. It's clear to me that you don't quite comprehend the author's approach.

No I did not watch it, as I am busy. It would be good if you can provide a summary.

Moxxyyyyy said:

I'm busy too, as I said before,I can't type an entire essay. watch the video whenever you'll be free, it explains why the story is bad perfectly.

Opticflash said:


I just checked the video and it is over an hour long. No, I will not watch the video any time soon. You should be providing this information since the onus is on you to justify your view. You can even write short bullet points.

Moxxyyyyy said:

Just watch the part where he talks about the story, it's like 5-10 minutes long.

Ionliosite2 said:


I mean, yes, this is pretty notorious, good that more people recognize it that way.

Moxxyyyyy said:

Just watch the part where he talks about the story, it's like 5-10 minutes long.