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Aug 20, 2021 1:42 PM

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One of the best episodes so far, that final scene makes me think that the entirety of 'this world' is some sort of purgatory where everyone is dead or something along those lines. I'm also interested to see what they do with this god character.

If Aki-sensei is not meant to drift since she is a teacher it makes me think she is some sort of counterpart to god, maybe like a devil character or something (since this anime seems to be making some references to Christianity with the arc and such).

It feels like there is a lot of clues hidden in this episode
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Aug 20, 2021 5:26 PM

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See, it really is possible for something to be confusing and good at the same time!

But man, this episode is probably the most confusing one yet, I really hope we'll get all our questions answered by the end.




"Truth is always a cruel thing."

Aug 20, 2021 6:55 PM
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Does anyone else thinks that Aki-sensei is not a teacher? When the dog said "only students can come here" they showed Aki-sensei and focused in her skirt. I thought it look like a student's skirt. Am I insane? Hahaha
Aug 20, 2021 9:23 PM
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I understand that this show bases its premise on quantum mechanics concepts like relativity or the idea of probabilistics over determinism. Its quite daring, and I like that. But for once, just for once, I would like it to stop treating us like we are suppossed to know everything thats comming or that we are learning at the same time as the characters about whats going on, because there has been many times of asymmetry in the knowledge of the characters with respect to us. I mean, based on this pseudoscientific premise and with that level of knowledge asymmetry, at this point, anything can happen, even if it doesn't make sense at all, and we are just supposed to assume it does because we know nothing or because of "probabilities". I'm afraid that the plot will just drift and the great solution to everything ends up being a huge deus ex machina like "a random characters has the power to solve everything" and just like that, everything is fine and the series is over.
Aug 20, 2021 9:23 PM

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Whaaaaaaaaaaaat...?

Well, quite the trippy episode we got this week. The idea for the "movie theater" world was quite original and now it seems we have some timeline concepts added to the mix. Let's see how that goes.

And as for Aki-sensei, it also seems she may be just another student who received a different "body" after drifting. Similar to what happened with Doggo-senpai.
Aug 21, 2021 2:01 AM
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I'm very confused what just happened but every episode is amazingly weird and confusing which I like.
Aug 21, 2021 2:20 AM

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Sonny boy is back on track. The use of soundtrack was fantastic in this episode. Next episode is probably gonna be better. Now I have to look for explanations and stuff to fully understand what happened till now.
Aug 21, 2021 8:38 AM

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This episode is now one of Madhouse's biggest achievements in the industry for me.
We are HALF WAY through the series and this episode felt like a finale. Absolutely crazy.

I'm speechless. There's so many angles you can see this episode from and so many lessons you can take from it.

You see how these characters adjust themselves to this new reality and get to the point of concluding that they might not even be who they think there are, but rather a reflection of themselves, and how each of them have to "graduate" by standing up for themselves and refusing to giving up on going home, no matter how slim the possibility.

And this just feels so shallow compared to what you can say about this show. It's chaotic, it's insanely ambitious and follows through in its quality.
Aug 21, 2021 9:01 AM
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It was overwhelming to say the least. Everything was happening so fast. I just hope we are able to get some answers by the end.
imagine this ends up as another wonder egg priority lmao
Aug 21, 2021 12:30 PM

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I am surprised no one has really mentioned the connection of the principal to the movie Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. In the movie, Peter Sellers plays a former nazi who is an expert on nuclear warheads. The movie is about a false attack from the Soviets leading to a US Air Force General ordering a nuclear strike on the USSR. The movie is a giant paradox about probability.

With a roll of dice, both powers could destroy each other and cause the end of the world. Just as the anime with a roll of dice they could return to their original world. Now does this imply the principal implies Dr. Stranglove, who, with a press of a button, could destroy the world? Does this make Dr. Strangelove the world of the governing world because of his ability to destroy it? Is the principal also the 'god' of the world they inhibit a copy of Dr. Strangelove? I believe that this connection is on purpose and could tell us how the series will end. This episode felt like the last episode of the series and, I had to check to make sure there were still more planned.

The principal's appearance is mainly meant to tell us that the characters do not control the world. Nagara cannot create worlds but can witness them. The characters see themselves in the graduation segment which, was an amazing scene. They find out that they lost a metaphorical coin toss and are the ones who lost. We are following the losers of this coin toss as they are bound to this world. This implies that they are useless and can never be their selves in the old world. They are forever stuck to this world and can never leave. However, they still might have a chance.

There is so much to unpack in this episode that it is really hard to grasp most of the ideas in it. Like how there could be a connection to the warheads in Dr. Strangelove. In the movie, there are two warheads shown. One says "Hi there!" and the other says "Dear John" both are references to American Civil War songs. Specifically, the "Dear John" song is known as Johnny I Hardly Knew Ye. This song is about a man who abandons his child to go to war. The song continues further and talks about how he comes back permanently damaged by war. He is welcomed back but only with pity. In the movie, there is a famous scene where the pilot flies to his death on a bomb. The bomb he was on was the "Hi There!" bomb. This episode, however, was hit with the "Dear John" bomb. We see all of the characters figure out everything is useless and they are worthless. They are only offered with pity as they are just copies of their true selves. They know they are copies, they are faced with the idea that they can't return, and all their efforts were pointless.

I might be thinking too much into this but, to shorten up the characters are powerless. They are just copies and a part of a choice of the principal. They had an illusion of the end light at a tunnel. Yet, when they faced this light with Nozomi's powers, it was false. She is dead in the real world and, the characters find out they are copies. And just as the ending of Dr. Strangelove using the song "We'll meet again" over a montage of bombs destroying the planet, they might have to say goodbye to their world. I could be wrong about all of this but, I hope my rambling cleared up something even if I don't fully understand the show. I look forward to the next episode I hope it's as great as this one.
Aug 21, 2021 4:04 PM

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I have so many doubts that I can't even properly write them out since they all feel vague and confusing.
But I'll ask some of them which bothers me rn-

1. Is the dog actually older or younger to those students?
2. Are all our cast from middle school or high school?
3. The dog said there were some people who tried but failed. Who is he talking about and where are they?
Aug 21, 2021 4:21 PM
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FinalFlash18 said:
I have so many doubts that I can't even properly write them out since they all feel vague and confusing.
But I'll ask some of them which bothers me rn-

1. Is the dog actually older or younger to those students?
2. Are all our cast from middle school or high school?
3. The dog said there were some people who tried but failed. Who is he talking about and where are they?


1. Both. He's from their future and has been on the island 5000 years.
2. Middle school.
3. Probably the guy with a foot on his head and the guy who is a giant umbrella with feet sticking out of it that we see at the end of the episode.
Aug 21, 2021 10:19 PM
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i have to lower my score of this show for now

you need some basic quantum mechanics knowledge to understand this episode

so this episode shows the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum mechanics especially the time travel part that you cannot change the past and if you do go to the past you just gonna create another branch or possibility or new timeline while the old timeline is not gonna be affected so that is how time paradoxes are avoided

god plays dice is what quantum mechanics says so the world is about chances or probabilities rather than classical physics which is deterministic but Einstein famously said that god does not play dice though since his discovery the general relativity means reality is deterministic



i guess the ending will be they gonna exactly time travel to the past where a new timeline or branch of time will be created for all of them

also they might be in Schrodingers Cat state which means they are both dead and alive at the same time so they need self-awareness or observer of themselves or they need to start recognizing each other to finally break out and have a future or outcome

Nozomi is both dead and alive clearly in this episode she is a Schrodingers Cat for example

even Wikipedia has the film analogy of the Many Worlds (or This Worlds like the anime likes to call it) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

so this show is not about structure vs agency of social science anymore but the multiverse and hard science too being a huge metaphor of yet another coming of age story



Maybe that's the reason the president god(lol i cant take this s* serious) says the world only exists because of the mc since he's the OBSERVER.
Aug 21, 2021 10:50 PM
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con someone explain what's going on I'm more confused than a homeless man under house arrest
I'd rather die a free man then live under the rules of idiots
Aug 22, 2021 5:55 AM
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Amazing episode as usual, the OST was awesome too. I really enjoy the story so far even though i don't quite understand all the metaphors from this anime.

What's the connection between Nozomi and dead bird? Why is she already dead in graduation timeline? This episode answers and raises questions as usual lol. Can't wait for ep 7.

Might have to re-watch it again after it finished airing to fully understand the whole story tho.
Aug 22, 2021 5:59 AM
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yamiyugi101 said:
con someone explain what's going on I'm more confused than a homeless man under house arrest


it doesnt matter whether they are back or not to the "real world" or not bc they already exist there
Aug 22, 2021 6:00 AM
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Jontayy said:
MuZe- said:
It was overwhelming to say the least. Everything was happening so fast. I just hope we are able to get some answers by the end.
imagine this ends up as another wonder egg priority lmao


what happened to WEP?
Aug 22, 2021 6:10 AM
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Kayzzle said:
Jontayy said:
imagine this ends up as another wonder egg priority lmao


what happened to WEP?
nothing was explained, it just ended
Aug 22, 2021 6:20 AM
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Jontayy said:
Kayzzle said:


what happened to WEP?
nothing was explained, it just ended


oh no, they both only have 12 eps... i kinda see it now.

but for sonny boy, i think they will intentionally leave some questions unanswered in the end, like an open ending?
Aug 22, 2021 7:06 AM
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Kayzzle said:
Jontayy said:
nothing was explained, it just ended


oh no, they both only have 12 eps... i kinda see it now.

but for sonny boy, i think they will intentionally leave some questions unanswered in the end, like an open ending?
hopefully, like Evangelion or will be up for interpretation but wep introduced a bunch of new shit and peaced out
Aug 22, 2021 8:32 AM
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This show is just one giant mind fuck and I’m loving every second of it. I feel like if there is like a big crazy mob psycho type fight, it’ll look so sick with this art style
Aug 22, 2021 8:35 AM

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i like and love this show! very cool nd artsy nd weird! tis the lil things!


Aug 22, 2021 9:09 AM
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What a twist! I need to watch this episode twice for understand what's going on. That ost, make me goosebumps. Can't wait for next episode!
Aug 22, 2021 10:38 AM
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Jontayy said:
MuZe- said:
It was overwhelming to say the least. Everything was happening so fast. I just hope we are able to get some answers by the end.
imagine this ends up as another wonder egg priority lmao

I'll be surprised if they come up with a decent conclusion to this mess lol. I'm leaning towards it being another WEP.
Aug 22, 2021 3:35 PM
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I am surprised no one has really mentioned the connection of the principal to the movie Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. In the movie, Peter Sellers plays a former nazi who is an expert on nuclear warheads. The movie is about a false attack from the Soviets leading to a US Air Force General ordering a nuclear strike on the USSR. The movie is a giant paradox about probability.

With a roll of dice, both powers could destroy each other and cause the end of the world. Just as the anime with a roll of dice they could return to their original world. Now does this imply the principal implies Dr. Stranglove, who, with a press of a button, could destroy the world? Does this make Dr. Strangelove the world of the governing world because of his ability to destroy it? Is the principal also the 'god' of the world they inhibit a copy of Dr. Strangelove? I believe that this connection is on purpose and could tell us how the series will end. This episode felt like the last episode of the series and, I had to check to make sure there were still more planned.

The principal's appearance is mainly meant to tell us that the characters do not control the world. Nagara cannot create worlds but can witness them. The characters see themselves in the graduation segment which, was an amazing scene. They find out that they lost a metaphorical coin toss and are the ones who lost. We are following the losers of this coin toss as they are bound to this world. This implies that they are useless and can never be their selves in the old world. They are forever stuck to this world and can never leave. However, they still might have a chance.

There is so much to unpack in this episode that it is really hard to grasp most of the ideas in it. Like how there could be a connection to the warheads in Dr. Strangelove. In the movie, there are two warheads shown. One says "Hi there!" and the other says "Dear John" both are references to American Civil War songs. Specifically, the "Dear John" song is known as Johnny I Hardly Knew Ye. This song is about a man who abandons his child to go to war. The song continues further and talks about how he comes back permanently damaged by war. He is welcomed back but only with pity. In the movie, there is a famous scene where the pilot flies to his death on a bomb. The bomb he was on was the "Hi There!" bomb. This episode, however, was hit with the "Dear John" bomb. We see all of the characters figure out everything is useless and they are worthless. They are only offered with pity as they are just copies of their true selves. They know they are copies, they are faced with the idea that they can't return, and all their efforts were pointless.

I might be thinking too much into this but, to shorten up the characters are powerless. They are just copies and a part of a choice of the principal. They had an illusion of the end light at a tunnel. Yet, when they faced this light with Nozomi's powers, it was false. She is dead in the real world and, the characters find out they are copies. And just as the ending of Dr. Strangelove using the song "We'll meet again" over a montage of bombs destroying the planet, they might have to say goodbye to their world. I could be wrong about all of this but, I hope my rambling cleared up something even if I don't fully understand the show. I look forward to the next episode I hope it's as great as this one.


I don't think too many people caught it, but as soon as I saw him I was like "oh shit these people are Kubrick fans we will never understand this". ;P

he even has the fake hand
Aug 22, 2021 3:40 PM
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_MushiRock11_ said:
Can't really say I know what's actually going on anymore now. I know for sure though that changing the past does not yield good results and that's about all I understood xD.

It's funny how the teacher seemed to be wearing a school uniform underneath? No idea if it's my eyes playing tricks or not though, but it matches with what TsudaKen-san's character dropped. Was this supposed to be foreshadowing hence?



Just for everyone who missed it, it really was a blink and you miss it reveal, right after the dog said "only students come hear" the wind blew and they flashed to the sensei's skirt which blew up to reveal a student uniform skirt underneath, meaning , like the dog said, she is really a student pretending to be a teacher


Aug 22, 2021 9:29 PM
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Watching sonny boy makes me appreciate odd taxi more
Odd taxi makes a masterpiece mystery with an understandable story-telling
I hope sonny boy doesnt end like wonder egg priority
Aug 22, 2021 9:48 PM
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_MushiRock11_ said:
Can't really say I know what's actually going on anymore now. I know for sure though that changing the past does not yield good results and that's about all I understood xD.

It's funny how the teacher seemed to be wearing a school uniform underneath? No idea if it's my eyes playing tricks or not though, but it matches with what TsudaKen-san's character dropped. Was this supposed to be foreshadowing hence?



Just for everyone who missed it, it really was a blink and you miss it reveal, right after the dog said "only students come hear" the wind blew and they flashed to the sensei's skirt which blew up to reveal a student uniform skirt underneath, meaning , like the dog said, she is really a student pretending to be a teacher




I noticed that as well, but Aki is at the graduation ceremony in the (what appears to be) parents section. I wonder what it all means...

Aug 23, 2021 4:51 AM

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MenchiK1 said:
_MushiRock11_ said:
Can't really say I know what's actually going on anymore now. I know for sure though that changing the past does not yield good results and that's about all I understood xD.

It's funny how the teacher seemed to be wearing a school uniform underneath? No idea if it's my eyes playing tricks or not though, but it matches with what TsudaKen-san's character dropped. Was this supposed to be foreshadowing hence?



Just for everyone who missed it, it really was a blink and you miss it reveal, right after the dog said "only students come hear" the wind blew and they flashed to the sensei's skirt which blew up to reveal a student uniform skirt underneath, meaning , like the dog said, she is really a student pretending to be a teacher




Yeah an older drifter just ike the dog.
Aug 23, 2021 11:54 AM
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With the middle school graduation, I did wonder if the characters are the chuuni delusions that their real selves have cast aside as they move onto high school.
Aug 23, 2021 7:16 PM

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Now the show came the turn and looking back the sub titles, they might have been derived from films / novels. (or just simply it may be my fancy.)
ep.1: The Farthest Shore
ep.2: Aliens
ep.3: Puss in Boots
ep.4: Ed (Japanese title: Monkey League)
ep.5: The Flying Classroom
ep.6: The Long Goodbye
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Watching sonny boy makes me appreciate odd taxi more
Odd taxi makes a masterpiece mystery with an understandable story-telling


Odd Taxi is an incredibly simple story that stops introducing characters and concepts pretty early in its run and just brings itself to a conclusion over the rest of its episodes. It's good, but completely different in its intentions.
Aug 24, 2021 12:05 AM
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The gamble the characters talk about losing is that copying themselves into the graduation reel created a copy, and they didn't have the luck of being that copy's consciousness. There was always going to be a loser for each copied student, except for Nozomi who doesn't even get a winning version because she's dead irl.
Aug 24, 2021 10:57 AM
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There are many similarities with Neon Genesis Evangelion in its themes, but also many unexplained new objects and elements in scene, created and appeared all of sudden just to trig new happenings and ways to escape... yeah, they're in another world (among multiple these worlds that they transit) in which happen and exist many things, but these facts, among with rules and limits as excuses, appeared in an incoherent way as a real excuse to make the narrative goes on and continues to catch the attention from its public.
I don't know if metaphors and its unusual language in animation are just used as tool for it, some kind of "hermetic show" facet, or they really condensing into something. Let's see.

p.s.: They may be silly, but my real questions for this ep are: why Nozomi dies in the 'real world'? What's the meaning of her 'death' for this narrative, if there's any? Other fact is that she entered the school in the same day they supposed transferred to black space inside of the building.... is it just a coincidence? the remaking of the scene, which Nozomi sees Nagara for the first time through curtain opening in school, was really strange...
Aug 24, 2021 12:15 PM
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This episode in my opinion was the best so far. Simply spectacular, confusing, but definitely one of the most * Boooom episodes !! * in my mind. The teacher who was actually an undercover student. I always knew there was something wrong with that character. Nozomi who is in the state of Schrodingers cat, alive and dead. This was definitely one of the things I liked the most about this episode, it made an impact. The ending with the nagara going home and the asakaze bumping into him while playing the ending theme song...

Sonny boy looks spectacular, and thinking he's only halfway through still opens up a lot of possibilities.

This episode talks a lot about quantum mechanics, about the future that cannot be changed. OHHHHH! This anime is driving me crazy.
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Aug 24, 2021 12:46 PM

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Sonny Boy keeps being really stylish, and really mindfuck kind of show, and the finale of the episode was pretty great and makes me wonder- what's next? Is there really no way out of drifting for them all, or they will find one someway? Intrigue (along with some other elements) is what keeps me being interested in this show.
Aug 24, 2021 6:05 PM

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the op/ed always hits hard... I don't know how to feel about this. i don't think I understand but is amazing nonetheless. Yeah, this is too interesting, a lot of information this week.

Also, I think that Nozomi killed herself in the real world. Or well, her copy did.
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We all saw Nozomi meeting the copy of her future and the end she would have met if they didn't go adrift

Now that Nozomi has that in the back of her mind, will she even want to go back to the original timeline?
Aug 26, 2021 7:46 PM

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Yeah, it was pretty cool seeing them reference them and as someone else put it here they seem to be using movies and book titles. It's cool to see them use The Long Goodbye especially since that movie is really great.
Aug 28, 2021 7:32 AM

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best episode soo far
Aug 29, 2021 11:32 PM

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This episode was confusing in a whole different level than all the other previous episodes.

I don't even know what to say cuz I barely understood anything. The God thing made it all weird.

But if only students can go adrift then what's with that sensei. Her existence just got more suspicious.

Looks like something's troubling Asakaze, it's not like him the way he's letting himself get used by the Sensei. The Sensei is definitely using him and that faction of students for selfish reasons. I wonder what's her motive. And the star guy is suspicious in another way same with that principal. Now that I think about it, it's just like Among Us with 3 impostors XD

It seems like they're stuck in a parallel world which was created by the principal kinda like in the Wonder Egg Priority. The sensei could be playing the role of Hyphen or Dot in this world. I wonder if there are any missions they have to complete to get out of this world.
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that felt too surreal for some reason
Aug 30, 2021 7:23 PM
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Just gonna say here how much i LOVE the scene where everything gets blurry, don't know why tho, but it was funny
Sep 3, 2021 2:40 AM
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This was one of the best episodes imo (only one that rivals it is the first imo). I also love how perfectly the last scene transitions into the ending song.
Sep 17, 2021 1:33 AM
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So the sensei might not be a teacher but a kind of alternate student? The fact that they can "edit" the world with a real video edit software is incredible, but also that alternate real world at the end was such a weird experience, especially how Nozomi is dead in this one, it's still so mysterious, I love it.
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Copies... fighting to be the originals.. kinda odd how that is. kinda how sperm works is how I imagine it.

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Sep 22, 2021 8:23 AM

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Wow so they were copies all along and they even missed their chance to become the originals. Heck Nozomi's even dead in the real world. Quite shocking revealation.
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Oh my so they were all copies the whole time. Well their film editing(or a world editing) software plan has failed. And it was this God/their princpal who "drifted them'. But why?

And the original Nozomi's dead and for some reason Hoshi was speaking with God's voice. He was also already aware that his class wa gonna get drifted. I loved the graduation scene, it felt so surreal.
This was best episode so far, the series has taken a whole new turn.
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So much content for an episode
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Nice to have doggo-senpai (although he's a classmate) joining. This episode hitting a new level with me being amazed yet also confused. So if I get it correctly, this basically involves multiple timelines where they tried to become the originals but failed by staying the copies, I wonder what kind of acid the writer is on because I need some too.

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