Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Episode 19 Discussion

ernst said:
Subaru? More like Leeroy Jenkins. They didn't even bother placing some guards with him. Even Eren got some guards when he was used as a bait.

Kazuto_Katsuragi said:
Yuuup. I missed this sane-ish version of Subaru. I wonder how much he could've gotten done if he didn't end up losing it during the middle of the season. Wonder how long it'll be before he loses it again. D:

Subaru at the end really did remind me of a certain
LEEEEEEERRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNKKIINSSSS!!!!

Much excite for next episode.

L-Ryoshi said:


How is including the time between when Reinhart said those words in the screen cap and the current day of this negotiation considered as pulling stuff out of thin air? A month is 30 days, so around 4 to 5 weeks. Adding an additional week of Subaru being healed in Crusch's place after getting beat up by Julius and training with Willheim doesn't seem all that much. I wasn't exaggerating here, just estimating the time gone by based on plot.

And I wasn't kidding about wanting his phone either.

Protoz said:
The days

Possibilities:

1. One day in a fantasy world doesn't have to be equal to normal world's 24 hours
2. The air contains magical substance that retains battery charge longer - it was unintentionally charged by the witch's miasma / felix's & emilia's healing / subaru's shamac etc basically, magic reasons
3. The phone has a feature that converts kinetic energy to electricity (forgot the exact name but i know it exists)

Protoz said:


Possibilities:

1. One day in a fantasy world doesn't have to be equal to normal world's 24 hours

2. The air contains magical substance that retains battery charge longer - it was unintentionally charged by the witch's miasma / felix's & emilia's healing / subaru's shamac etc basically, magic reasons

3. The phone has a feature that converts kinetic energy to electricity (forgot the exact name but i know it exists)

Buck_Wade said:

Dunno about 2 and 3, but holy crap, why hadn't ANY of us thought of number 1? Hell, if anything, number 1 SHOULD be it. On Earth, depending on which region you are, time zone's different anyway. How would it function the same as in a fantasy world?

Protoz said:
The days

Possibilities:

1. One day in a fantasy world doesn't have to be equal to normal world's 24 hours
2. The air contains magical substance that retains battery charge longer - it was unintentionally charged by the witch's miasma / felix's & emilia's healing / subaru's shamac etc basically, magic reasons
3. The phone has a feature that converts kinetic energy to electricity (forgot the exact name but i know it exists)

GenesisAria said:
Late into the game, gg internets.

Wow, i called it big time (too lazy to find my previous episode posts). Conveniently they all happened to be preparing for the White Whale in order to kill it, which had suddenly shown in the plot as the unstoppable force in the way of Subaru. Obviously pre-planned because of the arms and transportation gathering, but still mightily convenient. It makes sense logistically though, Subaru was too busy being tunnel-visioned that he didn't notice this all happening.

Seems like the witch that gave Subaru the return by death was at least partially benevolent after all. Very cruel methodology, but in the end, anyone with any brain giving that would know that Subaru would learn and get crafty eventually. That is unless the intention is despair, but it doesn't seem that way. It behaves like it's a dirty secret between the witch and Subaru, like a demon pact.

"Love at first sight" lol. A new rival has appeared.

Satsukichan said:
Kinda disappointed in this episode, was looking forward to some hard negotiations but everything was solved smoothly in about 5 minutes. Not to mention things like subaru offering mining rights he has no business offering or the merchant candidate helping even with his terrible rep which she criticized last run.

Buck_Wade said:


Rem mentioned the white whale blocking the shorter path in ep 14. But the past episodes haven't been a waste. Subaru has gotten lots of knowledge of what the candidates wants, and what lies ahead.

Protoz said:
The days

Possibilities:

1. One day in a fantasy world doesn't have to be equal to normal world's 24 hours
2. The air contains magical substance that retains battery charge longer - it was unintentionally charged by the witch's miasma / felix's & emilia's healing / subaru's shamac etc basically, magic reasons
3. The phone has a feature that converts kinetic energy to electricity (forgot the exact name but i know it exists)

L-Ryoshi said:

Also, from what I've been able to glean thus far, the theory of self recharging phones popped up in 2009, and that phone model that Subaru has does not seem like anything made in the last half decade. If you are talking about converting kinetic energy into electricity, they do do something similar in self-winding watches (expensive high end ones mostly), but from what I know, no such technology has been applied to phones yet.

Protoz said:


Ah yes, it's watch-exclusive technology.. sumimasen & thanks for confirming.
TBH I was in "pulling stuffs out of thin air" mood when I wrote them.. a proven useful habit when tackling school exams back in my old days :D

L-Ryoshi said:


I applaud your thinking outside of the box for 2 and 3, but unless we get any confirmation from the Author/LN readers, both of those theories remain just that.

Same goes for 1, and even if a day in this fantasy world was only 23 or 22 hours in Earth hours, you would only shirk off about a day or two of time off the charge. It's still an active phone after an entire month of usage (heavy or light we have no idea, but he does use it) without recharging.
Like I said before, that's still a long ass battery charge for an old phone.

Also, from what I've been able to glean thus far, the theory of self recharging phones popped up in 2009, and that phone model that Subaru has does not seem like anything made in the last half decade. If you are talking about converting kinetic energy into electricity, they do do something similar in self-winding watches (expensive high end ones mostly), but from what I know, no such technology has been applied to phones yet.

ahxiian said:
Finally, some real action and battle... thank goodness.
They could have done so without the little overtone drama but..
Oh well, Subaru couldn't think straight with all the trauma anyhow.
Keeping calm and using his death to his advantage is easier said than done.
Rem still the best, this series is dead without her.
It's time for some badass war.

shiraha said:


nah, the story wont be the same without the building episodes, actions are not the point that define re:zero anyway,

Bozzzz said:

Old phones can last a month
How do you know it was turned on all the time?
No network = longer battery life
Not convinced it's been a month

L-Ryoshi said:


Are you seriously going through this again?

First off, how old are you?
Have you ever handled actual older generation phones?
Or are you taking things out of thin air again like some are doing?

1.) Old flip phones if in regular use (meaning they will be on stand by mode, but if turned on all the time) will last between 3 Days to about a week with no recharging on a full battery. It's ridiculous for anyone to suggest that old phone batteries would last a month with constant regular use. Even whilst turned off completely the phone will continue to draw on the battery to maintain certain internal functions like the clock and alarm settings.

2.) We don't know if the phone was turned on all the time, but we do know that Subaru takes the phone out on occasion to show its functions to people. This is basically the source of the entire discussion: Whether an old phone with little usage that is turned off on occasions is actually able to last for a month without battery recharge. This makes your first claimed sentence look quite silly if you ask me, since you don't even seem to be aware of the discussion and yet butt your opinion in anyway.

3.) Not sure that's been scientifically proven, but it sounds plausible. The question is, how long would it add to a phone that was on? From a one week battery life to say 10 days? For sure a phone without network that was turned on the entire time wouldn't last you more than two weeks. I've done plenty of simulations with old Nokia phones without sim cards turned on for the entirety of a two week period, the phone ran out of juice before my business trip was over and I was forced to recharge it to keep using it. There's also the issue of just how long he's had the phone and whether he's been properly maintaining the phone, because if he's had the phone for several years, the battery might not work as well as a new battery, which would also shave time off the battery charge.

4.) Plenty of LN readers have already confirmed about the time frame. It was a month when Reinhard said so at the election. It's been a month since he picked up Felt in the slums was what was said. The discussion was how much time has passed between the elections and where we are currently at, and the viability of the phone still working as of this time.

Perhaps you should get your facts straight before butting in on others discussions

Buck_Wade said:


Ah, but you are forgetting that the time in the fantasy world Subaru's in most likely moves at a different rate than the one on Earth. Like, maybe an hour on Earth is equivalent to ten hours in the fantasy world. It was night time when Subaru was transported into a fantasy world that was in day time.

Buck_Wade said:


Yeah, and I seriously hope Re: Zero will continue being about a weakling using wit, trial and error to overcome ridiculously hard problems instead of him slowly becoming a badass like Reinhard.

Although you can't help but think what'd happen if Guts from Berserk were in his place. Yeah. Everyone would get WRECKT.

Rehls said:



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L-Ryoshi said:


Are you seriously going through this again?

First off, how old are you?
Have you ever handled actual older generation phones?
Or are you taking things out of thin air again like some are doing?

1.) Old flip phones if in regular use (meaning they will be on stand by mode, but if turned on all the time) will last between 3 Days to about a week with no recharging on a full battery. It's ridiculous for anyone to suggest that old phone batteries would last a month with constant regular use. Even whilst turned off completely the phone will continue to draw on the battery to maintain certain internal functions like the clock and alarm settings.

2.) We don't know if the phone was turned on all the time, but we do know that Subaru takes the phone out on occasion to show its functions to people. This is basically the source of the entire discussion: Whether an old phone with little usage that is turned off on occasions is actually able to last for a month without battery recharge. This makes your first claimed sentence look quite silly if you ask me, since you don't even seem to be aware of the discussion and yet butt your opinion in anyway. So far, just one person here with actual experience with phones of that era has claimed it can, though given he seems to be from the military I would bet their equipment were more properly maintained than your average Joe's phone.

3.) Not sure that's been scientifically proven, but it sounds plausible. The question is, how long would it add to a phone that was on? From a one week battery life to say 10 days? For sure a phone without network that was turned on the entire time wouldn't last you more than two weeks. I've done plenty of simulations with old Nokia phones without sim cards turned on for the entirety of a two week period, the phone ran out of juice before my business trip was over and I was forced to recharge it to keep using it. There's also the issue of just how long he's had the phone and whether he's been properly maintaining the phone, because if he's had the phone for several years, the battery might not work as well as a new battery, which would also shave time off the battery charge.

4.) Plenty of LN readers have already confirmed about the time frame. It was a month when Reinhard said so at the election. It's been a month since he picked up Felt in the slums was what was said. The discussion was how much time has passed between the elections and where we are currently at, and the viability of the phone still working as of this time.

Perhaps you should get your facts straight before butting in on others discussions

Bozzzz said:

OK, I've never had a flip phone but I've had different Nokias. Las non-smartphone was some late 90s model that had color display (the display was smaller than that of the flipphone but as the phone wasn't used most of the time, that doesn't matter). It lasted over a week when used moderatelly and when I bought a new phone, it was lying around and the battery lasted at least 3 weeks but I think it was over a month. It was over 2 years old then (so battery was not new) and didn't have SIM in it (so no network).
But Nokias were known for long battery life.
Just saying it's plausible and doesn't need that much hate that Subarus phone works.

L-Ryoshi said:


Yes, Nokia's were known for a lot of good things. They were the ultimate killing machine being so durable, so sturdy and so impossible to disconnect. My uncle once dropped his Nokia into three pieces when taking a call from my aunt, put the phone back together and my aunt's call was still on the line.

But for one, I doubt Subaru would be using a Nokia, and for another.... please see below...

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_6101-1044.php

The site in the above link is where I found phone specs for flip phones dating back from 2003 when the first Clam Shells were introduced. For fairness' sake, I've gone through a bunch of those flip phones that could be found on the page. The Nokia 6101 is one of the later end flip phones before they went out of style (in around 2005). Best standby time I've found thus far for flip phones has been 350 hours, roughly 15 days (2 weeks).
Most of these phones have also been discontinued. So considering all this, the possibility that Subaru's phone being pretty old (almost a decade old) that he's had for quite some time is quite high. This would mean his battery wouldn't be as good as those when he first bought it.

The alternative would be that the setting of the story was back around 2006 when those phones were in optimal condition.
Again, is there any indication of what year it was before Subaru was transported to the new world? I would assume that it was around the time the author first started writing his story, so around 2012? Would LN readers have any input for this?

In all of this discussion, there was never any hate regarding his phone, just questions about the viability of it happening. Please don't mistake a discussion on technical viability as hate for the show. I personally love most of this show's characters and the intriguing story of this alternative world. Willheim's story thus far has been the most interesting of the arc. I have a personal dislike for Subaru's attitude and the things he tends to do, but that doesn't mean I hate the show as a whole because of that. The fact that the author punishes him for his mistakes and slights is pretty fun to watch.

L-Ryoshi said:


You say likely, but there's no proof of that. That's just pure speculation on your part.

It was night time when he was transported, yes. That would explain why it was night when he encounters the whale but his phone read 15:13, 3:13pm. Again that would only make sense if his phones clock was working at a similar system in the fantasy world as our 24 hour one.

ahxiian said:


Hahaha yeah I get what you're saying, it just felt a bit more heavy since I marathon it in one go...
The first time he broke down and went hyper active butler mode was not so bad. He could still barely scrap by with his own effort.
Saving one or few lives and an entire region's residence is a huge gap, he can't cover it by his usual means anymore.
From see death and dying himself, heaps of corpse of people he knew.. and finally person he care for tortured to death while he couldn't do anything.
This time dragged out cause all the trauma and stress is finally chewing his mind.. he didn't have the sanity to even use wit, trial and error
His desperation, powerlessness, incompetence can clearly be felt vividly.
It was very well deliver by the adaption.. I'm impressed.

It would be cliche if he follow he usual becoming strong/op route anyway.
Just can't help find it pretty hard to watch him continuously in that state.. that's all.
Now that Rem brought him back, the stagnant story can finally move again.
Rem is love. <3

L-Ryoshi said:


Yes, Nokia's were known for a lot of good things. They were the ultimate killing machine being so durable, so sturdy and so impossible to disconnect. My uncle once dropped his Nokia into three pieces when taking a call from my aunt, put the phone back together and my aunt's call was still on the line.

But for one, I doubt Subaru would be using a Nokia, and for another.... please see below...

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_6101-1044.php

The site in the above link is where I found phone specs for flip phones dating back from 2003 when the first Clam Shells were introduced. For fairness' sake, I've gone through a bunch of those flip phones that could be found on the page. The Nokia 6101 is one of the later end flip phones before they went out of style (in around 2005). Best standby time I've found thus far for flip phones has been 350 hours, roughly 15 days (2 weeks).
Most of these phones have also been discontinued. So considering all this, the possibility that Subaru's phone being pretty old (almost a decade old) that he's had for quite some time is quite high. This would mean his battery wouldn't be as good as those when he first bought it.

The alternative would be that the setting of the story was back around 2006 when those phones were in optimal condition.
Again, is there any indication of what year it was before Subaru was transported to the new world? I would assume that it was around the time the author first started writing his story, so around 2012? Would LN readers have any input for this?

In all of this discussion, there was never any hate regarding his phone, just questions about the viability of it happening. Please don't mistake a discussion on technical viability as hate for the show. I personally love most of this show's characters and the intriguing story of this alternative world. Willheim's story thus far has been the most interesting of the arc. I have a personal dislike for Subaru's attitude and the things he tends to do, but that doesn't mean I hate the show as a whole because of that. The fact that the author punishes him for his mistakes and slights is pretty fun to watch.

Buck_Wade said:


You're a sadist, bro.

L-Ryoshi said:


Not exactly. I'm a realist. I don't believe in sudden inexplicable power ups (my biggest complaint about Macross Delta's MC), nor do I like it when characters get away with being arses without punishment. If you are trying to make a show that's somehow "real", then people getting away with doing dumb shit doesn't sit well with me. If you fuck up, you own up to the consequences, that's how I see things.