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Sep 23, 2013 1:13 AM
#601
AnimageNeby said: No, it's just an oversight. This is what I mean by people inventing whatever explanation just to not to have acknowledge there was an error in the anime. He punched her, so he couldn't be further than armslength. Furthermore, this is confirmed: we see him at the open space, past the street. The next scene we see him running down the street for several seconds, seeing how many houses he past, it must have been several dozens of meters back. Same thing happened episode 21, when Eren transforms he's just a few meters away from the FT and next scene he's running towards her. It's just a common mistake in anime, doesn't really matter. |
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Sep 23, 2013 2:14 AM
#602
HalfMetalJacket said: Maybe Annie thought some friends were coming when she heard the transformation? She could very well be in league with the Colossal and Armoured titans. Maybe there are titan shifters amongst the residents? I'm using Diranko's possibilities in case your wondering. But the oversight is unmistakable. Well, I understand you're using someone others' 'explanation', but I'm sure you see how weak this is yourself. Even if all what is said would be true, it still would be extremely farfetched to presume she forgot Eren could transform himself too. Furthermore, whether she expects it to be Eren or any compatriots: you still would be looking at the point where the transformation took place, or at least facing the direction of where the light and the sound came from. Now it's like: "Oh, a huge thunderstroke and lightning of a transformation! Well, then, I'll just look the other way around, because I somehow think it could be my nakama instead of Eren!" See? Explanation doesn't make any sense. Jinkuro said: AnimageNeby said: No, it's just an oversight. This is what I mean by people inventing whatever explanation just to not to have acknowledge there was an error in the anime. He punched her, so he couldn't be further than armslength. Furthermore, this is confirmed: we see him at the open space, past the street. The next scene we see him running down the street for several seconds, seeing how many houses he past, it must have been several dozens of meters back. Same thing happened episode 21, when Eren transforms he's just a few meters away from the FT and next scene he's running towards her. It's just a common mistake in anime, doesn't really matter. True. So people just should stop making excuses for it. There were some errors in the episode, that's all. While it does mean the series isn't absolutely perfect (nothing is), it doesn't mean the series would somehow become worthless by that. In fact, one may hope that by pointing it out, maybe it will be rectified later on. (Ok, slim chance, but... if there is ever made a 'directors' cut' of the anime - like they sometimes do with regular movies - it could be rectified if they know about the mistakes. And for that, one first of all have to acknowledge the existence of it.) |
AnimageNebySep 23, 2013 2:21 AM
Sep 23, 2013 2:31 AM
#603
skudoops said: Ugh, that's not it at all, I really don't see how you could come to that conclusion given what you just saw. FT Annie saw that punch coming and just watched like she was expecting it. |
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Sep 23, 2013 2:54 AM
#604
| They should include special features like Director's commentary section in the BD. |
Sep 23, 2013 3:02 AM
#605
AnimageNeby said: HalfMetalJacket said: Maybe Annie thought some friends were coming when she heard the transformation? She could very well be in league with the Colossal and Armoured titans. Maybe there are titan shifters amongst the residents? I'm using Diranko's possibilities in case your wondering. But the oversight is unmistakable. Well, I understand you're using someone others' 'explanation', but I'm sure you see how weak this is yourself. Even if all what is said would be true, it still would be extremely farfetched to presume she forgot Eren could transform himself too. Furthermore, whether she expects it to be Eren or any compatriots: you still would be looking at the point where the transformation took place, or at least facing the direction of where the light and the sound came from. Now it's like: "Oh, a huge thunderstroke and lightning of a transformation! Well, then, I'll just look the other way around, because I somehow think it could be my nakama instead of Eren!" See? Explanation doesn't make any sense. Jinkuro said: AnimageNeby said: No, it's just an oversight. This is what I mean by people inventing whatever explanation just to not to have acknowledge there was an error in the anime. He punched her, so he couldn't be further than armslength. Furthermore, this is confirmed: we see him at the open space, past the street. The next scene we see him running down the street for several seconds, seeing how many houses he past, it must have been several dozens of meters back. Same thing happened episode 21, when Eren transforms he's just a few meters away from the FT and next scene he's running towards her. It's just a common mistake in anime, doesn't really matter. True. So people just should stop making excuses for it. There were some errors in the episode, that's all. While it does mean the series isn't absolutely perfect (nothing is), it doesn't mean the series would somehow become worthless by that. In fact, one may hope that by pointing it out, maybe it will be rectified later on. (Ok, slim chance, but... if there is ever made a 'directors' cut' of the anime - like they sometimes do with regular movies - it could be rectified if they know about the mistakes. And for that, one first of all have to acknowledge the existence of it.) I do agree that it does sound weak. I also thoroughly agree that rather than willfully ignoring errors, it is better to address so that the studio sees the problem and hopefully goes about rectifying it. |
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Sep 23, 2013 3:19 AM
#606
| Maybe Annie was just trying to block the punch with her face? That's what it seemed like, I'm not that big of a fan of how the anime deviated from the Manga here. |
Sep 23, 2013 3:24 AM
#607
MikasaxEren said: BRILLIANT.Maybe Annie was just trying to block the punch with her face? |
Sep 23, 2013 4:07 AM
#608
Janethan23 said: skudoops said: Ugh, that's not it at all, I really don't see how you could come to that conclusion given what you just saw. FT Annie saw that punch coming and just watched like she was expecting it. What are you talking about? She clearly expressed surprise. Widening your eyes does not express complacency or acceptance, it expresses surprise. Letting her be beaten up also isn't in line with her character. She didn't let her be beaten up by anyone (including Eren-titan) during the forest-scene out of some feeling of guilt, and she didn't now. Annie is a fighter, whether she feels guilt or not, she is not one to passively let her be hit on purpose just to ease her conscious. If you don't realise that by now, you've missed a lot about her character. MikasaxEren said: Maybe Annie was just trying to block the punch with her face? That's what it seemed like, I'm not that big of a fan of how the anime deviated from the Manga here. Lol. I'm not sure if you meant it for laughs or are being serious, but I hope the former. "You didn't hit me; I blocked your fist with my face." is a classic joke, after all. :-) |
AnimageNebySep 23, 2013 4:17 AM
Sep 23, 2013 4:30 AM
#609
AnimageNeby said: AironicallyHuman said: >>> Typed about the stupidity of the Eren-Annie punch only one or two posts before Animage >>> Everyone agrees with Animage >>> WHERE'S MY CREDIT, BITCH!? Last-last post 'ere: Seriously Animage, you're fence-sitting whilst bashing the episode; saying it's a great episode whilst lamenting its abject failure. There is only logic: it was either badly executed or wasn't. 'Tis fanboyism to praise the episode whilst detailing its failings to such an extent, rather than the other way around. Just sayin'... Could be, I don't remember. If it was only a few posts before mine, chances are I didn't read it, however, since I only read in depth the posts to about page 15 here. By then the 'yes-no/trivial faults or not'- bickering between different posters were already apparent (I think some even got deleted). The rest were more or less repetitions, so I largely skipped over them. That everyone agrees with me and doesn't give you credit seems at the same time an exaggeration and a frustration of an egotistical whiner. What are you, a kid? Who the f- cares if random people on some forum gives you 'credit' or not? And credit for what? It's not like you invented something or 'insightful' posts should get credit (if they are insightful to begin with, even). No, it's just a forum, dude, get a grip. And if it's your last post as you say, for Gods' sake, be consistent and let it BE your last post. Nothing worse than people saying they'll stop posting and yet continue. Now, as for your perceived fanboyism and lack of 'logic' of what I said, I'm afraid you're starting with the wrong premise. A straw man fallacy, even. I didn't say it it was an abject failure, I talked about some minor issues. I don't know in what world you live in, but mine isn't black-or-white. You CAN have some errors in a series, and still like the series. If you are only going to be satisfied with something when it achieves complete perfectness, you're never going to be satisfied with anything in your life, I'm sorry to say. There are - just as in every anime - some minor issues in as well the manga as the anime. Some were rectified in the anime, some weren't, and some were introduced in the anime. All in all, none of them were major (unless you think having(no) blood in his mouth after biting it, or a scene with a titan running while he shouldn't have to run that far, makes or brakes a series. If that is the case, you have either an autistic tendency or are an obsessive, unrealistic perfectionist.) Normally, one has enough common sense to allow for some errors and mistakes; we're only human, after all. As long as it doesn't break the story or characterisation, these kind of errors mean very little, and shouldn't keep you from assessing the series as being great, all in all. In fact, these are trivial. FAR more important will be how the mangaka will deliver in the end, about the mystery of that world. I hope he can give it a satisfying and logical end, with a well-thought out revelation and climax. I'm far more concerned about that, than whatever small fry a lot of people seem to bicker over here. So yes, I noticed the little errors, and I thought people endlessly defending or fighting over it were being idiotic. Yes, there are errors in it. Period. And yes, it doesn't mean the series isn't worth watching anymore, and one can still find it highly enjoyable. I would say it's true the question where 'the line is drawn' is different for each person. But it's a fantasy-themed anime, for gods' sake, not a scientific paper (and even there small mistakes are possible that don't influence the conclusion). Some might find the unrealistic 'swing-flights' (and yes, they ARE unrealistic) between trees with air-gear with timely retracting barbs too much to bear. So be it. Some might even find the series unwatchable because there is possibly a slight gloss to be detected on Mikasa's lips. Ok, fine. Don't watch it then. Most of the more intelligent and socially adept or normal-tolerant people, however, will not have any major issues with little mistakes that don't break the story, characterisation, or plot. I love you. You are my hero. |
Sep 23, 2013 4:52 AM
#610
| I just realized that Annie didnt use any pivot in her lead leg when she kicked off Eren's head. Bad technique! Annie, I am disappointed! I still love you cuz you're mai waifu though! |
dankickyouSep 23, 2013 5:05 AM
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Sep 23, 2013 5:03 AM
#611
| DAMN! annie's titan is really like a boss.. that eren's henshin scene! XD YEY YEAH! SO FUCKING COOL! grr.. I ready for the final :3 |
Sep 23, 2013 5:12 AM
#612
| i liked this scene http://i.imgur.com/D66kN0r.gif |
Sep 23, 2013 5:19 AM
#613
dankickyou said: I just realized that Annie didnt use any pivot in her lead leg when she kicked off Eren's head. Bad technique! Annie, I am disappointed! I still love you cuz you're mai waifu though! You are some lucky guy. Nice (HOT) waifu you have there! |
Sep 23, 2013 5:26 AM
#614
| Good to see Arimin aint a pussy anymore. The ending was epic. 9.2/10. |
Sep 23, 2013 5:37 AM
#615
| Holy crap, that animation was amazing o_o. Must've cost a lot. That extra stuff that wasn't in the manga was awesome as well. They actually made it look incredibly painful for Eren! That biting his hand scene. Ouch. Things never usually look painful in shows no matter whats happening lol. That was actually kind of cringe worthy though. Armin was bloody great as well. He's really come far. I loved the scene when Jean spoke to Eren. Nice one. 10/10 - NEXT EP PLEASE. Can't believe it's the last one. Considering how popular AoT is, I can definitely see it getting a second season. IMO I'd prefer if they wait a bit for the manga to progress. |
Sep 23, 2013 6:11 AM
#616
ronri said: yuquall said: Pipoko said: Levi_Squad said: Oh hell he's weak. Come on she transformed right in front of him and Eren asked Armin and Mikasa how can they fight her? The real question is why cant he fight her, did he have feelings for her, were the close? NO..Did eren forgot how she killed his squad and all other soldiers before? Why the hell would hesitate so much? Everyone's fighting and he's just mopping there. Yep WEAK.. Well, at least people can stop calling him a psychopath with no feelings. The fact that Eren showed that hesitation is actually a good thing, even if he had to throw that humanity away by the end of the episode. Well, it depends on how we view that situation I suppose. Either he is weak or he just doesn't want to fight Annie. I don't believe he's that weak, so I think it might be the latter. I agree with you. I think people are overlooking the fact that Annie was essentially Eren's mentor during their days in the Training Corps. in which, not only was she the one who taught him how to fight in hand-to-hand combat, she was also the first person to drastically change his viewpoint regarding the military system thus becoming huge influence on him. It'd make sense why he'd be so hesitant to fight her considering the special bond he had formed with her during their days in the Training Corps. I don't think it helps that the anime skipped other scenes that showed Eren interacting more with Annie, and it really doesn't help in establishing Eren's hesitation in this episode and why he feels so bad about the situation. The same could be said on Annie's part and why she respects Eren so much in the first place. Heck, Eren is the only person that ever actually made Annie genuinely smile, which in of itself a pretty big deal in terms of showcasing how connected the two were supposed to be: http://www.mangapanda.com/shingeki-no-kyojin/14/32 Still it's too early to tell of course. For all I know, they could be saving up all the Eren/Annie scenes for the last episode. I just hope that they don't just stick with Eren going all RAGE MODE and actually convey his clear-minded view during the fight when he was trying to deduce Annie's motives for doing what she's doing, because really, that would just kill the point and outright remove a specific part of his character development. Ok they had bonded. But that moment when Armin and Mikasa risking their lives to get out of the tunnel he should have made his resolve. |
Sep 23, 2013 6:15 AM
#617
Levi_Squad said: Ok they had bonded. But that moment when Armin and Mikasa risking their lives to get out of the tunnel he should have made his resolve. He did get his resolve back in that part of the manga when Mikasa & Armin were going to the other sides of the tunnel. Eren wasn't crushed by the walls of the tunnel.They added a few extra scenes in the anime it seems. So it took a bit longer. |
cloud8100Sep 23, 2013 6:22 AM
Sep 23, 2013 6:35 AM
#618
| OMFG! DAT Godly animation! OST! O.O MY EYES!!!!!!!! Dam Mikasa was scary :S |
Sep 23, 2013 7:41 AM
#620
cloud8100 said: Levi_Squad said: Ok they had bonded. But that moment when Armin and Mikasa risking their lives to get out of the tunnel he should have made his resolve. He did get his resolve back in that part of the manga when Mikasa & Armin were going to the other sides of the tunnel. Eren wasn't crushed by the walls of the tunnel.They added a few extra scenes in the anime it seems. So it took a bit longer. Yeah maybe they just wanted to make the actions outside happened so they prolonged the transformation. I'd prefer more Erwin and Levi though rather than Eren under the debris. |
Sep 23, 2013 8:00 AM
#621
| Can't believe people are still trying to defend the final punch. There's nothing to defend and there's no logic to it... it was retarded This is Annie we are talking about, as a Titan she evaded over 95% of Eren's onslaught back in the forest. And that fight was all CQC. To go from that to not avoiding a run up punch that started literally a mile away where the transformation lightning blatantly gives away Eren's position doesn't make sense |
Sep 23, 2013 8:06 AM
#622
DarkCyclone said: It's been said already.Can't believe people are still trying to defend the final punch. There's nothing to defend and there's no logic to it... it was retarded This is Annie we are talking about, as a Titan she evaded over 95% of Eren's onslaught back in the forest. And that fight was all CQC. To go from that to not avoiding a run up punch that started literally a mile away where the transformation lightning blatantly gives away Eren's position doesn't make sense She underestimated Eren's ability to do something towards his friends. |
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Sep 23, 2013 8:26 AM
#623
Janethan23 said: skudoops said: Ugh, that's not it at all, I really don't see how you could come to that conclusion given what you just saw. FT Annie saw that punch coming and just watched like she was expecting it. Nah, I dl'd the ep to check, there's genuine surprise in her facial expression. My only thing was them making the lightning last so long. Unless that changed somewhere after episode 11 the lightning was normally a quick flash and this instance she should have easily been able to see where it was coming from since everyone else was able to. |
GD1551Sep 23, 2013 8:29 AM
Sep 23, 2013 8:35 AM
#624
| BTW I don't know why they didn't follow manga for that punch scene, that would have made way more sense. |
Sep 23, 2013 8:47 AM
#625
Diranko said: She underestimated Eren's ability to do something towards his friends. The glorious power of friendship fixes all ( ¬‿¬) I'm looking forward to the finale of this, the 2nd half has been much more enjoyable for me, the FT arc was my favorite part of the manga so far though. |
Sep 23, 2013 9:12 AM
#626
Sep 23, 2013 9:48 AM
#627
| Great episode, the filler on SnK is great in comparison with most other shounen out there. Just one more MMA style titan fight left for a while... |
Sep 23, 2013 10:21 AM
#628
| Anime of the year, Period. |
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Sep 23, 2013 10:23 AM
#629
| Wich exactly are the anime-only parts? |
| EL PSY KONGROO!!! |
Sep 23, 2013 10:26 AM
#630
| I don't know why people say mikasa owned FT, annie could've killed her twice yet she left her alone (first time when she got hit by the debris @13:50min the second time was near the end of the episode) i like mikasa, shes is strong indeed but shes no match for annie in her titan form. i think she don't want to kill anyone from her 104th trainees squad but when it comes to other humans its a different story. the only one who have a chance so far is levi with his sonic the hedgehog attacks. also the last punch seriously didn't make sense when in the manga eren was able to only land 3 hits in two fights |
Sep 23, 2013 10:27 AM
#631
Sep 23, 2013 10:29 AM
#632
| Holy shit the epicness O( `_´)乂(`_´ )O Can't wait to see what happens in 25! |
Sep 23, 2013 10:50 AM
#633
| I'm pretty much convinced now that the common theme for this anime is abusing Eren to the greatest extent possible. :D I mean..."dying" twice and then getting impaled through the chest by a huge plank of wood? Holy crap. He's going through a lot of shit, I must say. A lot of graphic shit, to say the least. That scene right before he transformed was bloody as hell. Anyway, loved the episode, although it dragged a bit. I wonder how the last episode will be. |
Sep 23, 2013 10:58 AM
#634
Beaver897 said: AnimageNeby said: AironicallyHuman said: >>> Typed about the stupidity of the Eren-Annie punch only one or two posts before Animage >>> Everyone agrees with Animage >>> WHERE'S MY CREDIT, BITCH!? Last-last post 'ere: Seriously Animage, you're fence-sitting whilst bashing the episode; saying it's a great episode whilst lamenting its abject failure. There is only logic: it was either badly executed or wasn't. 'Tis fanboyism to praise the episode whilst detailing its failings to such an extent, rather than the other way around. Just sayin'... Could be, I don't remember. If it was only a few posts before mine, chances are I didn't read it, however, since I only read in depth the posts to about page 15 here. By then the 'yes-no/trivial faults or not'- bickering between different posters were already apparent (I think some even got deleted). The rest were more or less repetitions, so I largely skipped over them. That everyone agrees with me and doesn't give you credit seems at the same time an exaggeration and a frustration of an egotistical whiner. What are you, a kid? Who the f- cares if random people on some forum gives you 'credit' or not? And credit for what? It's not like you invented something or 'insightful' posts should get credit (if they are insightful to begin with, even). No, it's just a forum, dude, get a grip. And if it's your last post as you say, for Gods' sake, be consistent and let it BE your last post. Nothing worse than people saying they'll stop posting and yet continue. Now, as for your perceived fanboyism and lack of 'logic' of what I said, I'm afraid you're starting with the wrong premise. A straw man fallacy, even. I didn't say it it was an abject failure, I talked about some minor issues. I don't know in what world you live in, but mine isn't black-or-white. You CAN have some errors in a series, and still like the series. If you are only going to be satisfied with something when it achieves complete perfectness, you're never going to be satisfied with anything in your life, I'm sorry to say. There are - just as in every anime - some minor issues in as well the manga as the anime. Some were rectified in the anime, some weren't, and some were introduced in the anime. All in all, none of them were major (unless you think having(no) blood in his mouth after biting it, or a scene with a titan running while he shouldn't have to run that far, makes or brakes a series. If that is the case, you have either an autistic tendency or are an obsessive, unrealistic perfectionist.) Normally, one has enough common sense to allow for some errors and mistakes; we're only human, after all. As long as it doesn't break the story or characterisation, these kind of errors mean very little, and shouldn't keep you from assessing the series as being great, all in all. In fact, these are trivial. FAR more important will be how the mangaka will deliver in the end, about the mystery of that world. I hope he can give it a satisfying and logical end, with a well-thought out revelation and climax. I'm far more concerned about that, than whatever small fry a lot of people seem to bicker over here. So yes, I noticed the little errors, and I thought people endlessly defending or fighting over it were being idiotic. Yes, there are errors in it. Period. And yes, it doesn't mean the series isn't worth watching anymore, and one can still find it highly enjoyable. I would say it's true the question where 'the line is drawn' is different for each person. But it's a fantasy-themed anime, for gods' sake, not a scientific paper (and even there small mistakes are possible that don't influence the conclusion). Some might find the unrealistic 'swing-flights' (and yes, they ARE unrealistic) between trees with air-gear with timely retracting barbs too much to bear. So be it. Some might even find the series unwatchable because there is possibly a slight gloss to be detected on Mikasa's lips. Ok, fine. Don't watch it then. Most of the more intelligent and socially adept or normal-tolerant people, however, will not have any major issues with little mistakes that don't break the story, characterisation, or plot. I love you. You are my hero. Thanks, I'm my hero too! ;-p The point here really is that people should just stop being so uptight-assed about it. The dichotomy one perceives is naive and childish, like an ongoing tantrum of a tod. Some people seem to think it either is: 1)no errors or mistakes possible in the manga/anime, and everything is (or has to be) perfect = worth watching, an exellent manga/anime or 2)there are errors and mistakes in the manga/anime, so it isn't perfect = not worth watching, abject failure of a manga/anime I refute both these kind of single-minded obsessive thoughtpatterns. I see no reason in denying and not acknowledging any errors, inconsistencies and mistakes, to the point of inventing wild speculative theories that don't make much sense, just to avoid having to acknowledge the objectively viewable faults and logically assessing the (un)likelihood of said scenes being anything else *than* mistakes. The abject refusal - or in the best case being wilfully obtuse - of some to see it for what they are (or at least as what is most likely), namely mistakes of the developers/creator(s), is what is commonly referred to as 'fanboyism'. It has nothing to do with liking the series, however. (With that definition, I'm a fanboy too :-) ) It's to *blindly adore* the series, and not wanting to see or hear of any mistakes or critique about it. This viewpoint is idiotic, however, since nothing is perfect and acting as if this series is, is nonsensical. Furthermore, ignoring the mistakes and inconsistencies can only lead to them never being rectified in the future neither. However, I also refute the notion that, because some of these little errors ARE clearly present in the manga/anime, it immediately and inherently means one can't appreciate the series anymore. I think it's important to have an open mind about it; clearly seeing the faults for what they are, but not rejecting the whole manga/anime for some trivial issues that have little to no impact on the overall story, plot, or characterisation. Some nay-sayers here do not seem to comprehend this principle. Something does not have to be absolutely perfect to still be considered great. |
AnimageNebySep 23, 2013 11:09 AM
Sep 23, 2013 11:17 AM
#635
AnimageNeby said: Thanks, I'm my hero too! ;-p The point here really is that people should just stop being so uptight-assed about it. The dichotomy one perceives is naive and childish, like an ongoing tantrum of a tod. Some people seem to think it either is: 1)no errors or mistakes possible in the manga/anime, and everything is (or has to be) perfect = worth watching, an exellent manga/anime or 2)there are errors and mistakes in the manga/anime, so it isn't perfect = not worth watching, abject failure of a manga/anime I refute both these kind of single-minded obsessive thoughtpatterns. I see no reason in denying and not acknowledging any errors, inconsistencies and mistakes, to the point of inventing wild speculative theories that don't make much sense, just to avoid having to acknowledge the objectively viewable faults and logically assessing the (un)likelihood of said scenes being anything else *than* mistakes. The abject refusal - or in the best case being wilfully obtuse - of some to see it for what they are (or at least as what is most likely), namely mistakes of the developers/creator(s), is what is commonly referred to as 'fanboyism'. It has nothing to do with liking the series, however. (With that definition, I'm a fanboy too :-) ) It's to *blindly adore* the series, and not wanting to see or hear of any mistakes or critique about it. This viewpoint is idiotic, however, since nothing is perfect and acting as if this series is, is nonsensical. Furthermore, ignoring the mistakes and inconsistencies can only lead to them never being rectified in the future neither. However, I also refute the notion that, because some of these little errors ARE clearly present in the manga/anime, it immediately and inherently means one can't appreciate the series anymore. I think it's important to have an open mind about it; clearly seeing the faults for what they are, but not rejecting the whole manga/anime for some trivial issues that have little to no impact on the overall story, plot, or characterisation. Some nay-sayers here do not seem to comprehend this principle. Something does not have to be absolutely perfect to still be considered great. You're my hero. I'm only quoting this coz I couldn't say it better than you do. *Salutes you like a dog |
Sep 23, 2013 11:20 AM
#636
| *Salutes you like a dog Salutes like a dog! hahaha. Lol. U made my day. Thx :D |
| We're all mad here |
Sep 23, 2013 11:37 AM
#637
| Your first mistake was taking "PROBABLY my last post 'ere" as definitive. If I were to try to score points, I'd surely attack your reading comprehension abilities. Your second mistake was putting me in the same B&W boxes you argued against me putting the anime in (FYI, there's either three or eight numbers between the highest and lowest ratings on MAL, and unlike you, I use them). But your most glaring error of all is calling me an egotistical so-and-so when you responded to a tongue-in-cheek comment about being overlooked (FYI, I even quoted Jesse from Breaking Bad.... BITCH!) by sucking yourself off over your indecisive, please-everyone mentality over numerous paragraphs. We're not judging a fucking abstract concept here. Were we typing about whether it's truly Annie or Erwin who is evil then I'd indulge you. But what we're actually judging is the structure, art, characterisation... things contained within episode 24 of this show. Let me use an example to put this in layman terms for you that can be used for the ep as a whole: Annie either allowed Eren to hit her "for the feels", as some D-dumbo guy 'argued' against Ronri some pages back... or the episode was restructured so it would be able to end with Eren hitting Annie; the hell to logic or consistency. There's no third 'middle' option. She needed to be hit and since they dun gone fucked it up by removing the surprise factor, they didn't care. Same deal with Armin running by Annie's foot, Jean attacking Annie, the amazing midair handgrab and the entire last half of the episode: a means to an end that the studio figured would be overlooked due to lots of wiring around... and they were proved right. Am I condescending for expecting others to have the brain capacity to see these things without me spelling them out? I like what I like and dislike what I don't. And I can justify these things without passive-aggressive rantings. I don't feel the need to say 'in my opinion' beforehand so as to appease others or remind people that I still like the show, overall. And that's what irked me about your post: you made a point of praising the ep, then went onto to attack flaws that consisted of at least over half the episode since filler made up the last half and was equally bad. ...and, yes: a fanboy is one whose determination to defend a show, in spite of its failings, shines through. And unless you truly are up your own arse to the extent you'd type so much over so little just to feel as I do when I refresh my lists x100 per day, there's no other reason for your postings. You're mocking people for having a negative viewpoint, saying everyone should be friends and dance around a fire or go fuck themselves. (That's my kinda logic in reverse, but hey...) PS: Nice job on your reaction to me missing 'S' off the end of 'failure'. PS2: Half-whateverperson, I know not who this "ilk" fella is (sounds like a cool guy) but if I'm not in the minority with a rating that makes up 1% of the votes then I sure as hell don't make the majority. PS3: My last-last-LAST post 'till ep25. Farewell, my friends... |
AironicallyHumanSep 23, 2013 11:40 AM
Sep 23, 2013 11:40 AM
#638
Diranko said: DarkCyclone said: It's been said already.Can't believe people are still trying to defend the final punch. There's nothing to defend and there's no logic to it... it was retarded This is Annie we are talking about, as a Titan she evaded over 95% of Eren's onslaught back in the forest. And that fight was all CQC. To go from that to not avoiding a run up punch that started literally a mile away where the transformation lightning blatantly gives away Eren's position doesn't make sense She underestimated Eren's ability to do something towards his friends. I really don't see this as an excuse to not defend yourself from a life threatening strike but if it's the excuse people wanna roll with then whatever |
Sep 23, 2013 11:52 AM
#640
DarkCyclone said: I also said before that she might have been (Manga Spoilers) Diranko said: DarkCyclone said: It's been said already.Can't believe people are still trying to defend the final punch. There's nothing to defend and there's no logic to it... it was retarded This is Annie we are talking about, as a Titan she evaded over 95% of Eren's onslaught back in the forest. And that fight was all CQC. To go from that to not avoiding a run up punch that started literally a mile away where the transformation lightning blatantly gives away Eren's position doesn't make sense She underestimated Eren's ability to do something towards his friends. I really don't see this as an excuse to not defend yourself from a life threatening strike but if it's the excuse people wanna roll with then whatever expecting Reiner to come and do something, seeing as he runs fast. Also, with that speed and adrenaline, she couldn't do much to protect against it. |
| Lolis > Everything |
Sep 23, 2013 12:06 PM
#641
AnimageNeby said: n10sity said: My thoughts on the punch: Like others have already said, I believe Annie heard the thunder/lightning and waited for Eren to come to her. However, due to the layout of the city and the tall buildings. I don't think she could pinpoint from which direction Eren was approaching due to the echoes. This does not sound very convincing. The direction of the sound would at least have given her an indication of where to expect Eren. The lightning would have pinpointed it. She had her BACK turned to that side, however. I suppose I should start by saying that I've attempted to come up with a reason for her being surprised by the punch. In other words, it's not something I initially believed when I watched the episode. It's much easier to just dismiss it as a flaw in the anime. But what's the fun in that? You're assuming she saw the lightning, aren't you? What if she didn't see the lightning? And I'm saying the echoes were reverberating throughout the city. Therefore, I don't think she could tell what direction the sound was coming from. I don't like the 'theory' that she let him punch her, not only because she looked surprise, but because typically it would make more sense to face the person you are allowing to punch you. I'll agree that the echo explanation is a weak one. But I feel it's better than she let him do it. |
Sep 23, 2013 12:18 PM
#642
AironicallyHuman said: Your first mistake was taking "PROBABLY my last post 'ere" as definitive. No, I was rather convinced you would post again. You people (=those that imply it's going to be their last post) always do. As for the rest; I've already clearly stated my vision on it. That this is not your vision, is no surprise. The things you have issues with, are rather trivial to me, and, I would wager, to all people with some moderate fault-tolerance. I know, I know: this does not impress you, and you feel you are right and the rest is wrong, regardless. As I've said previously, it's all about where 'you draw the line' in finding a series still great, moderate, palatable or crap. For you things like Annie acting illogical at the end when Eren appears and hits her, brake the story, or at least your appreciation of it, to a degree that to others (and me) seems unreasonable. Is this your fault or that of others/mine? I would say, if one uses what should be considered commonly accepted tolerance towards a anime, that it is yours. But I understand that you see it differently. However, if such things really make or brake the series for you, I, indeed, strongly suggest you do not watch it anymore. In fact, with such criteria, I wouldn't watch any anime anymore, accept maybe some realistic, high-budget seinen. For me - as for most - such things as described are rather trivial (without ignoring or denying they ARE there, like some others do), and thus, are no factor of any importance in our overall appreciation of this anime. EDIT: Btw, airon, praise yourself very fortunate you didn't want to attack 'my reading comprehension', or you would have made a fool of yourself. Because, I was thinking; strange, did I read it that wrongly? And low and behold, what DID YOU ACTUALLY write??: "last-last post 'ere". Where is the 'PROBABLY' you so vehemently claim to have said, and thus that I was mistaken to think you wouldn't come back, or wrong in asking to be consistent in your own claims. See http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=665805&show=420#msg25245855 if you don't believe me. Nowhere is a 'probably' to be noticed, so you added that here, just to score points - and that while claiming it's not your intention to score points. I mean, c'mon, that's pretty weak, dude. If you try to make a point, at least don't distort the truth for it. You said it was your last post, and yet, you posted again. No surprise there, but to than claim you said something else than what you did and furthermore base yourself on that false claim to point out my 'mistakes'...well, who is mistaken, one can wonder? Or lacking reading comprehension? Or trying to score points? Seriously, read your own writings, and then try to argument without making stuff up. |
AnimageNebySep 23, 2013 1:36 PM
Sep 23, 2013 12:25 PM
#643
DarkCyclone said: Can't believe people are still trying to defend the final punch. There's nothing to defend and there's no logic to it... it was retarded This is Annie we are talking about, as a Titan she evaded over 95% of Eren's onslaught back in the forest. And that fight was all CQC. To go from that to not avoiding a run up punch that started literally a mile away where the transformation lightning blatantly gives away Eren's position doesn't make sense This. She isn't ranked 11/10 in Titan combat skill for nothing after all. n10sity said: I suppose I should start by saying that I've attempted to come up with a reason for her being surprised by the punch. In other words, it's not something I initially believed when I watched the episode. It's much easier to just dismiss it as a flaw in the anime. But what's the fun in that? You're assuming she saw the lightning, aren't you? What if she didn't see the lightning? And I'm saying the echoes were reverberating throughout the city. Therefore, I don't think she could tell what direction the sound was coming from. I don't like the 'theory' that she let him punch her, not only because she looked surprise, but because typically it would make more sense to face the person you are allowing to punch you. I'll agree that the echo explanation is a weak one. But I feel it's better than she let him do it. Or we could just say that the anime team really just goofed on that one. It doesn't ruin the episode, it just makes for a jarring situation that could've easily been fixed had they properly thought out their story-boarding/scene-planning and sequenced the whole thing more carefully. I'm not hating or nitpicking. I'm just saying it was sloppily done and that's that. I offered a possible scenario that they could've easily come up with to avoid that oversight (Annie comes back to fetch Eren by searching through the tunnel debris until Eren suddenly transforms underneath and lands the uppercut, much to Annie's surprise) all while preserving all the anime-original content. No more, no less. |
ronriSep 23, 2013 12:32 PM
Sep 23, 2013 12:29 PM
#644
vilmarbf said: Wich exactly are the anime-only parts? The whole scene with the log stuck in eren's chest and him transforming |
Sep 23, 2013 12:35 PM
#645
ronri said: Or we could just say that the anime team really just goofed on that one. It doesn't ruin the episode, it just makes for a jarring situation that could've easily been fixed had they properly thought out their story-boarding/scene-planning and sequenced the whole thing more carefully. I'm not hating or nitpicking. I'm just saying it was sloppily done and that's that. I offered a possible scenario that they could've easily come up with to avoid that oversight (Annie comes back to fetch Eren by searching through the tunnel debris until Eren suddenly transforms underneath and lands the uppercut, much to Annie's surprise) all while preserving all the anime-original content. No more, no less. They goofed, in the manga the ENTIRE scene makes way more sense, the anime team decided to do their own thing for this scene and made a bit of a mess of it. |
Sep 23, 2013 12:36 PM
#646
skudoops said: They goofed, in the manga the ENTIRE scene makes way more sense, the anime team decided to do their own thing for this scene and made a bit of a mess of it. Yes I know that and I agree, hence why I presented my own idea as a possible scenario they could've easily taken to fix the issue. skudoops said: vilmarbf said: Wich exactly are the anime-only parts? The whole scene with the log stuck in eren's chest and him transforming Everything to do with Jean. Hanji capturing Annie. Eren getting stuck instead of transforming inside the tunnel, etc. Like I'm all for anime-original content that actually enhances the experience (Levi and Jean in particular) but AT LEAST they should go about doing it so it makes sense, which is where I felt that they fell a bit short regarding Eren and Annie's depiction this time around. I'll be nice though, if there's one thing they actually got right in terms of anime-original content for the two, it's Annie's transformation in correlation with Eren's shocked expression, with music and vocals from "Call Your Name" playing in the background. I thought that was absolutely beautiful, and it didn't even ruin/radically change anything whatsoever. |
Sep 23, 2013 12:52 PM
#647
| Another epic episode! 5/5 The last episode next week.. in theater... i don't know how i'll react after this.. such a great anime and have to wait for 2nd season after all this epicness :') |
Sep 23, 2013 12:57 PM
#648
n10sity said: AnimageNeby said: n10sity said: My thoughts on the punch: Like others have already said, I believe Annie heard the thunder/lightning and waited for Eren to come to her. However, due to the layout of the city and the tall buildings. I don't think she could pinpoint from which direction Eren was approaching due to the echoes. This does not sound very convincing. The direction of the sound would at least have given her an indication of where to expect Eren. The lightning would have pinpointed it. She had her BACK turned to that side, however. I suppose I should start by saying that I've attempted to come up with a reason for her being surprised by the punch. In other words, it's not something I initially believed when I watched the episode. It's much easier to just dismiss it as a flaw in the anime. But what's the fun in that? You're assuming she saw the lightning, aren't you? What if she didn't see the lightning? And I'm saying the echoes were reverberating throughout the city. Therefore, I don't think she could tell what direction the sound was coming from. I don't like the 'theory' that she let him punch her, not only because she looked surprise, but because typically it would make more sense to face the person you are allowing to punch you. I'll agree that the echo explanation is a weak one. But I feel it's better than she let him do it. What about: it's just an error/mistake the ones creating this episode, made? That seems rather the most likely, and most logically sensible thing to conclude. Is it more fun? Well, that's another matter. :-) If you're just trying out some hypothesis to make it more likely as a fun pastime, or just to ponder intellectually about it, I have no qualms with it. I've done the same with the issue of their air-gear, and how they could so easily swing from one side to the other, apparently perfectly retracting the barbs on their 'arrows' each time to re-launch them. Now, everyone knows (or should know), that in reality, such a thing is near-impossible, certainly with the technology as described and portrayed in the series. Yet, indeed, it is fun to contemplate about possible ways how it could be done. In fact, I had some interesting debates with some posters here - forgot the name(s), alas - as whether it would have to be an electro-mechanical, or purely a mechanical way, and in what form. Those sort of discussions and contemplations are fun, agreed. However, one may not loose sight of reality and start defending the undefendable (aka, the *logically and rationally* most unlikely) as being a real option to explain it best. It is still extremely unlikely that any air-gear like that would work in reality, certainly with the technology as depicted, *whatever* one may come up with fun possibilities. Idem with the Annie-surprised-or-not thing. This is, because it's not about possibilities, but about likelihoods. You have to reckon and deal with it in that way, because, ultimately EVERYTHING which isn't outright canon is possible in a fictitious world. Debating a mere possibility is ALWAYS possible, and can rectify EVERY error or inconsistency. Let me give you an example. I declare the fact that Annie didn't notice Eren and his transformation, was because she went temporarily blind and deaf at right that moment. Unlikely? Yes. Impossible? Certainly not. Maybe she got high blood pressure for a moment, who knows. ;-) Can you PROVE that this is impossible, and could not have happened? Of course not. Is it fun coming up with something like this. Well...yes, I'm actually having some fun right now. :-p Nevertheless, we all know it's highly unreasonable, unlikely and essentially a cop-out to say something like that in earnest, as to explain what happened. So, by all means, contemplate and have fun inventing possibilities, but you DO realise it's not something to really be serious about as an alternative for what it really is; a mistake...I hope? Some clearly do, but I agree not everybody is like that. |
AnimageNebySep 23, 2013 1:01 PM
Sep 23, 2013 12:58 PM
#649
| The whole scene where Eren is pinned down and impaled on a log was to give Armin & Jean a chance to reiterate to Eren what he was fighting for because he lost sight of the fact he had reservations about fighting Annie. I liked it for reasons that it put back Eren's rage because the memory of his beloved mother getting brutally murdered then eaten was the very reason he wanted kill every last one of the titans. |
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