Mob Psycho 100 II Episode 5 Discussion

HereticHunter said:
Episode of the Year

HalfHalfBastard said:
I read this arc in the manga and I thought to myself, "this is going to be at least 3 episodes". And yet they did it in 2.
They cut a lot of things, and honestly, this episode felt super rushed. Underwhelming in comparison to the manga.

Gamefan121 said:


Unlimited Budget Works will never die!

Venumidas said:


That does not mean that money does play no role, if they got no money for this show I doubt they would have even made it, people need to use their budget wisely, saying budget is of no importance is PRETTY stupid.

deg said:


of course money is important but saying higher budget means better animation quality is the stupid argument seeing that anime is all about cost cutting and its called limited animation

MonkeyDHunter said:
Cannot see anything surpassing this god-tier episode in this year unless Bones throws another bomb like this in this show something that wouldn't surprise me at this point.

Venumidas said:


What the hell kind of term is limited animation, I think you have no clue what the hello you are on about.

Cost cutting? Isn't that the same as my broad term for using a budget wisely? You seem to be having some errors in your thought process.

TheDarkMGames said:


I don't think there will be anything this good during season 2, except maybe the last episode of the season, but when we finally get a season 3 and the series ends, I bet they'll do whatever they can to make the last episode look as amazing as possible.

bitchassdarius said:
can anyone familiar with the source material explain if Mogami's illusion plays an important role later on? honestly this arc seemed like filler. i think the directing was at fault.

from my understanding, Mogami concocted this illusion to try to get Mob to empathize with him. but the way he goes about it is creating a completely different life for Mob to try to make the point that his life would suck if it were different, and if Mob had powers, he would be able to change his life for the better, much like Mogami had attempted. but this is an obvious point to make, and to exaggerate the implicit tautology, imagine Mogami had made Mob poor and black in america. of course he would turn out differently, because he was made as a completely different person. it's the same thing with the illusion modeled in the episode, it's not insightful to say Mob would be different had he never met Reigen, Dimple, or had a brother.

however, Mob has his own revelation, or simply, a positive and optimistic realization of Mogami's intention; that people can change and that he should be thankful to the people around him that have helped him to grow. but this revelation is narratively meaningless because Mob doesn't come to it on his own. it takes Dimple to snap him out of the illusion for him to realize this. ergo, it takes Mob's friends to show Mob that his friends have shaped him to who he is. there's no internal development here, in fact it's quite external, visually and literally. the fact that Mob couldn't realize this while he was under Mogami's illusion makes the whole affair feel really cheap, which in turn renders the huge sakuga fight scene into a fireworks show with no narrative value. because what's represented by the fight should be Mob's values versus Mogami's values, but without Mob finding the ability to change from within himself, what ends up being depicted is a simplistic dick-measuring contest.

Dagger said:

Isn't that consistent with what the show has been trying to do since s1? Think of ep 12 with Regan for instance.
Hadn't wached the ep yet thou @@

bitchassdarius said:

my impression is that the show is about mob's development, which is why this particular arc seems like filler. the end result wasn't authentic internal growth from mob, it was mob learning a moral, hence the whole arc is tantamount to an episode of precure.

bitchassdarius said:
can anyone familiar with the source material explain if Mogami's illusion plays an important role later on? honestly this arc seemed like filler. i think the directing was at fault.

from my understanding, Mogami concocted this illusion to try to get Mob to empathize with him. but the way he goes about it is creating a completely different life for Mob to try to make the point that his life would suck if it were different, and if Mob had powers, he would be able to change his life for the better, much like Mogami had attempted. but this is an obvious point to make, and to exaggerate the implicit tautology, imagine Mogami had made Mob poor and black in america. of course he would turn out differently, because he was made as a completely different person. it's the same thing with the illusion modeled in the episode, it's not insightful to say Mob would be different had he never met Reigen, Dimple, or had a brother.

however, Mob has his own revelation, or simply, a positive and optimistic realization of Mogami's intention; that people can change and that he should be thankful to the people around him that have helped him to grow. but this revelation is narratively meaningless because Mob doesn't come to it on his own. it takes Dimple to snap him out of the illusion for him to realize this. ergo, it takes Mob's friends to show Mob that his friends have shaped him to who he is. there's no internal development here, in fact it's quite external, visually and literally. the fact that Mob couldn't realize this while he was under Mogami's illusion makes the whole affair feel really cheap, which in turn renders the huge sakuga fight scene into a fireworks show with no narrative value. because what's represented by the fight should be Mob's values versus Mogami's values, but without Mob finding the ability to change from within himself, what ends up being depicted is a simplistic dick-measuring contest.

bitchassdarius said:

my impression is that the show is about mob's development, which is why this particular arc seems like filler. the end result wasn't authentic internal growth from mob, it was mob learning a moral, hence the whole arc is tantamount to an episode of precure.

L0ken said:


Erm,in this episode Mob literally don't have any close person(exepct the cat) at all,even his house is empty and his fanily absent,he couldn't possibly remember anything because his memories were changed,how would he even realized that himself,when mogami was speaking to his consciousness,he literally lost there,that's the point.Only because he made so much bonds with others he could survive and he realized that other could not,no matter how wothless they are...

BUT!But of course it isn't that simple,besides his hartred of the world mogami also had valid points like that Mob get's used too much,he needs to be more selfish with his powers for his own good,that world is not that simple and e.t.c,and of course it playes out more in the future,like the almost all episodes of Mob,honeslty mogami arc is the biggest catalyst for Mob growth onward and Mob takes all his words into consideration,even in next episode you will see quite unexpected effects of this arcs,not to mention later events.

deg said:


its the power of friendship

mob said he is lucky/blessed to have friends that made him better or a good boy

why internal growth should not consider friends when humans are social beings to begin with?

bitchassdarius said:

the difference is that mob couldn't realize anything had dimple not interfered to begin with. yes, he was saved by dimple and reigen, which is fine, but it doesn't really mean anything unless mob realizes it by himself. compare how the story played out versus if mob had broken out of the illusion through his own realization of the value of his friendships, which one would be more meaningful? if you think the latter doesn't make sense given the logistics of mogami's powers, then that's more revealing of the fact that ONE wrote himself into a hole

deg said:


Dimple use psychic powers to snap Mob out of the brainwashing of Mogami though

how can Mob realize something on his own when his mind is being manipulated

bitchassdarius said:

the difference is that mob couldn't realize anything had dimple not interfered to begin with. yes, he was saved by dimple and reigen, which is fine, but it doesn't really mean anything unless mob realizes it by himself. compare how the story played out versus if mob had broken out of the illusion through his own realization of the value of his friendships, which one would be more meaningful? if you think the latter doesn't make sense given the logistics of mogami's powers, then that's more revealing of the fact that ONE wrote himself into a hole

bitchassdarius said:

that's what i'm saying? how can mob learn anything and grow if he's put in a situation where it's impossible to do it? and if the whole story is predicated on mob's growth as a person, what would serve better? that his friends teach him something, or that he figures it out himself? why write a character into a situation that prevents him from doing the latter?

bitchassdarius said:

that's what i'm saying? how can mob learn anything and grow if he's put in a situation where it's impossible to do it? and if the whole story is predicated on mob's growth as a person, what would serve better? that his friends teach him something, or that he figures it out himself? why write a character into a situation that prevents him from doing the latter?

NJGore said:
Honestly I was kind of disappointed in the fact that we couldn't feel the suffering Mob felt during those 6 months like in the manga. I cried hours with the manga on that part, lol.
Still 4/5. Animation was hella dope and Mob is such a precious bean that must be protected.

I can't wait for the next episode to come out! I hope I'll get the feels I got with the manga next monday.

Vysarine said:


This is only tragedy of the day for me. Such animation genius wasted with fucking mandatory military service

deg said:


err no i do not get that thinking that individual growth should be exclusive to the individual realizing everything on his own

as mob said on his own words, other people are important to individual changes

L0ken said:


Again,read what i and other people said carefully,i don't get what you don't understand.As someone point out,Dimple only helped him to wake up,all the conclusion he thinked himself,all experience stayed with him and rest of the episode is mob dealing with Mogami and spirit by himself,even ??? comes out during this.If you think the whole conflict in Mogami arc is gone now and we back into status quo,then informing you that's it's not the case and rest of the series is very impacted by this encounter,he would comeback to the things happened in dream world and Mogami himself isn't even exorcised...Watch next episodes and you will see

bitchassdarius said:

There's no impact in having a lesson explicitly told to Mob, and your pic is actually more suggestive of that than what you're saying. Consider: Why was Mob not able to realize what Dimple is saying by himself? If he had, wouldn't that prove Mogami is wrong more so than Mob just saying he disagree with Mogami's choice? This is emblematic of Mob Psycho's reliance on explicit, vulgar narrative progression over visual direction. That Dimple has to proclaim the "moral of the day" in the dialogue instead of Mob realizing from hisown relationships and past experiences, mind you this is the standard path for these stories for a reason, is very typical handholding from this show and one of my biggest complaints.

bitchassdarius said:
Consider: Why was Mob not able to realize what Dimple is saying by himself?

bitchassdarius said:

There's no impact in having a lesson explicitly told to Mob, and your pic is actually more suggestive of that than what you're saying. Consider: Why was Mob not able to realize what Dimple is saying by himself? If he had, wouldn't that prove Mogami is wrong more so than Mob just saying he disagree with Mogami's choice? This is emblematic of Mob Psycho's reliance on explicit, vulgar narrative progression over visual direction. That Dimple has to proclaim the "moral of the day" in the dialogue instead of Mob realizing from hisown relationships and past experiences, mind you this is the standard path for these stories for a reason, is very typical handholding from this show and one of my biggest complaints.

L0ken said:


Is the audio messed up on your part?Dimple didn't say anything,on screenshot it was Mob who saying it,Dimple said zero lines regarding morals or lesson or,his whole speech was in the begging literally reminding him that people exist then Mob snaps out himself.I understand don't liking help from others but Dimple never told him any morals,re-check th episode