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| Can't believe that I cried a bit, it has been a long time that a series reaches my cold heart. Ishigami 10/10 5/5 |
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Really feel this statement, which makes me think why those times I met up many kinds of people is actually rewarding. Meeting up and talking with riajuus/normies is sometimes much more heartily reassuring rather than to stick on your own flawed ideals. I can't think up on what kind of thing they actually have on their mind, but those seemingly naive but sincere acts are very appreciable and make you think that they probably are actually genuine. I really agree with many people that think this episode is very melodramatic, but I still love it anyway. |
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| Man! what a ride! They delivered a great message and pulled it of! It's been a long time that I can genuinely relate to a character. I was worried at first at what the viewers reaction would be to a sensitive story and as it came out, some are still cringy as hell. Well, It's expected to be since this anime received a lot of attention from a variety of audience (which I can say they definitely deserve it). It's amazing that "that" scene appealed to everyone even if they interpreted it in different ways and that's why they f***ing pulled it of so god damn good! If you're an Oregairu fan you know what I'm talking about. It's just the right balance of depressing and "the opposite of depressing" and you can tell that the creator/s balanced the message of "what ever the message is" to be easily swallowed by superficial value and to be dissected by those who wanted to dive into deeper meaning. damn this is long! |
| Ishigami's past... behind all of his strange demeanor, there lies painful dark secret. Even thought he tried to protect the smile of his deary one,the odds didn't turn wel for him, even destroying him. Good grief, upon those worst people who broke him there are "student councils" (Miyuki and co.) who really saved him. this one bring some teary eyes to me. the "world" reveal (face reveal of cheerleader squad, including our Tsubame senpai XD) into Ishigami's pure smile.. that was epic scene. this is so beautiful... the way A-1 adapted Ishigami's past was so perfect...even tho, there are some details like Kaguya's act and investigation behind those stories, Chika's part too.. still this was really wonderful adaptation, perhaps that missing part'll be told in future season(I Hope...) |
| What the fuck is this? This kind of drama? In this show? I fucking hate drama and there's two reasons why: first I'm a crybaby who's very easily moved to tears and I hate it about myself but it is what it is, second, drama is very rarely done right and tbh, unfortunately, this is one of those times that the drama is stinky shit. It's forced and very out of place. And it doesn't even make any sense. I mean really? Ishigami shouldn't have held it in he should've said it all out loud for everyone to hear: "Otomo you oblivious bitch, this dude is cheating on you and he showed me pictures of you in his phone and threatened me that he'll take it out on you if I told you about it" -or something along those lines. But instead Ishigami acted like a stupid fucking idiot retarded autistic kid that he is and stood there looking like a clown saying "Otomo this is crazy right", like holy fucking shit bro you think she'll believe you after seeing you beat the crap out of her boyfriend without knowing why? Fuck all this shit, this ain't realistic. Instead of feeling sorry for Ishigami it just made me hate him for being a stupid fuck. Just stick to comedy goddammit it's better that way. But I have to say though I'm glad Ishigami beat that kid and didn't apologize for it. And also, he's self aware, knows he's cringy and weird. |
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YamakuDezu said: PrimeX said: What the fuck is this? This kind of drama? In this show? I fucking hate drama and there's two reasons why: first I'm a crybaby who's very easily moved to tears and I hate it about myself but it is what it is, second, drama is very rarely done right and tbh, unfortunately, this is one of those times that the drama is stinky shit. It's forced and very out of place. And it doesn't even make any sense. I mean really? Ishigami shouldn't have held it in he should've said it all out loud for everyone to hear: "Otomo you oblivious bitch, this dude is cheating on you and he showed me pictures of you in his phone and threatened me that he'll take it out on you if I told you about it" -or something along those lines. But instead Ishigami acted like a stupid fucking idiot retarded autistic kid that he is and stood there looking like a clown saying "Otomo this is crazy right", like holy fucking shit bro you think she'll believe you after seeing you beat the crap out of her boyfriend without knowing why? Fuck all this shit, this ain't realistic. Instead of feeling sorry for Ishigami it just made me hate him for being a stupid fuck. Just stick to comedy goddammit it's better that way. But I have to say though I'm glad Ishigami beat that kid and didn't apologize for it. And also, he's self aware, knows he's cringy and weird. Remember, he was in secondary, it's adolescent. Not only- none was standing for Ishigami yet all classmates were dispraising at him. He couldn't be that strong, he didn't own confidence to do anything else. He also didn't have any experience /get involved in dramas before. It was idiot and full of unrealistic if he would act in smarter way. It will betray all the character buildings and the episode just gone awful. Don't judge it because you cannot relate. What are you even talking about? Do you hear yourself? "he was in secondary"? "adolescent"? You mean that he was in middle school then? Come on that may be a couple of years tops before this but that's no excuse. Are you forgetting what started Ishigami's rampage? Otomo's boyfriend cheating on her with another girl? He just talked to his sidepiece about booking a hotel room? He just showed Ishigami what obviously are Otomo's nudes? Huh? Of course all these does not necessarily mean they're mature but fucking hell these aren't little innocent kids ffs. So don't tell me his age then is an excuse. And what are you saying "none was standing for Ishigami yet all classmates were dispraising at him." what weak ass bs pathetic excuse is this? Of course his classmates are gonna call him names and blame him, cause they didn't know any better! All they know is that this kid is beating another helpless defenseless kid out of jealousy! Wanna know why they don't know any better? Cause fucking Ishigami won't tell them shit! That's the point that I was making that clearly went over your head. He could've easily said "check his phone" and Otomo's boyfriend is done. They could easily see who he last called or who last called him = evidence that he's cheating, and Otomo's nudes which Ishigami can describe = evidence that he showed them to him. And that's it! But you have another stupid excuse why Ishigami didn't do that even though that's honestly just common sense. You said "He couldn't be that strong, he didn't own confidence to do anything else" wow seriously? He just beat up a dude who's physically bigger than him. And not just any dude, Otomo's boyfriend is famous in their school people love him while Ishigami is this quiet loner who has no friends. Despite all that, he beat that mofo up easily. If that doesn't show strength and confidence, then I don't know what does. There’s only one thing you said that I agree with, you're right I cannot relate to this bullhit at all. |
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x_Articuno_x said: PrimeX said: What are you even talking about? Do you hear yourself? "he was in secondary"? "adolescent"? You mean that he was in middle school then? Come on that may be a couple of years tops before this but that's no excuse. Are you forgetting what started Ishigami's rampage? Otomo's boyfriend cheating on her with another girl? He just talked to his sidepiece about booking a hotel room? He just showed Ishigami what obviously are Otomo's nudes? Huh? Of course all these does not necessarily mean they're mature but fucking hell these aren't little innocent kids ffs. So don't tell me his age then is an excuse. And what are you saying "none was standing for Ishigami yet all classmates were dispraising at him." what weak ass bs pathetic excuse is this? Of course his classmates are gonna call him names and blame him, cause they didn't know any better! All they know is that this kid is beating another helpless defenseless kid out of jealousy! Wanna know why they don't know any better? Cause fucking Ishigami won't tell them shit! That's the point that I was making that clearly went over your head. He could've easily said "check his phone" and Otomo's boyfriend is done. They could easily see who he last called or who last called him = evidence that he's cheating, and Otomo's nudes which Ishigami can describe = evidence that he showed them to him. And that's it! But you have another stupid excuse why Ishigami didn't do that even though that's honestly just common sense. You said "He couldn't be that strong, he didn't own confidence to do anything else" wow seriously? He just beat up a dude who's physically bigger than him. And not just any dude, Otomo's boyfriend is famous in their school people love him while Ishigami is this quiet loner who has no friends. Despite all that, he beat that mofo up easily. If that doesn't show strength and confidence, then I don't know what does. There’s only one thing you said that I agree with, you're right I cannot relate to this bullhit at all. Huh wait, why do you think he should show nude photo of Ootomo to everyone ? It obviously will lead to her suicide and her photo will be spread on Internet forever Sure he get hate because he didn't tell anyone the truth Huh? What do you mean? You mean Ishigami should show Otomo's nudes to everyone? I never said that. When I said Ishigami should say "check his phone" I obviously meant Otomo, alone, should check his phone. Also, even if, that's a big if, they showed Otomo's nudes to everyone that doesn't necessarily mean it will spread to the internet, it's not like people always have their phones out to sneak a photo when being showed nudes from another phone. Besides who would actually do that? You're reaching too much. There's nothing that can be said to make me change my mind to redeem this stupid episode to me. It ruined the whole season for me. And who cares if I hate this episode? I, for one don't give a shit if people love this episode, good for them. |
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Kyzen said: teubert2 said: No, you are interpreting. How? Because there is no objective proof. With no objective proof, I interpreted it this way (reply to the four points of yours): 1. Ishigami erased what he wrote, or didn't write anything at all, because he was afraid of what was going to happen (he was threatened by her bf) + he couldn't get himself to say he was wrong when he was in the right. It can be quite painful to admit you're wrong when you're not. 2. Ootomo visited for her friends' sakes + Ishigami (to being an arse to him) + probably also for a potential meeting with ex (because she doesn't know better). 3. It doesn't matter whether Kaguya wants to protect Ootomo's smile or not. We don't know if her smile would actually be ruined. That's an assumption on your part. The road to hell is paved with good intentions; Kaguya may want to protect the "smile", but what proof exists that this current "smile" isn't inferior to a new one gained via enlightenment? 4. I agree with that. I will say it again; there is no objective proof of anything. No one has made an official alternate scene in which Ootomo does not stay ignorant. Rewatch it 1000 times? I have a life but thank you for the suggestion. I might consider it when I stop having a life and start caring about people rating my favourite anime 4/5 instead of 5/5. it's a shame that some moderators deleted my replies. so I'm keeping this as short as possible or not, and so we don't have to dig deep. from this one segment alone will say it all. this is from the show itself and no added "interpretation" as you say. scene. ishigami angrily saying he couldn't careless what happens with anyone and just wanted to spill everything and started writing. then suddenly the next frame shows Otomo smile. which then brings to the next instant frame, ishigami erasing those writings. if this couldn't get any precise and that it needed a word for word explanation from some narrator to whats going then screw that. NOW WE GET TO THE TIMESTAMPS. AND FACTS AS YOU SAY I GOT NOTHING IN MY HANDS. time stamps on emphasis with Otomo smile ishigami - "somehow it felt like she saved me" shows Otomo smiling and laughing, TIME -5:30 ishigami - "at that time i had an EXCESSIVE sense of justice" I couldn't let a good person get hurt AGAIN SHOWS AN IMAGE OF OTOMO SMILLING. TIME- 6:45 ishigami - " he can go to hell, I'll spill everything. etc. etc" frames showing him writing i just want to be set free, then shows otomo smiling holding an eraser. he keeps saying I'll write it. but he then started erasing all of a sudden. TIME - 13:20 ShIgorone - " so in conclusion, the reason you didn't refute, because it was to protect Kyoko otomo" SO AS SAID EVEN ALL THE StudentCouncil CONCLUDED THAT THE REASON HE COULDN'T DO IT WAS NOT BECAUSE OF ALL OF THOSE YOU SAID. BUT BECAUSE TO PROTECT OTOMO TIME - 15:52 and the nail in the coffin KAGUYA -" I GET IT, SHE'S BLISSFULLY IGNORANT, THAT SMILE OF HERS IS WHAT ISHIGAMI PROTECTED. SHOWS OTOMO SMILLING" TIME 21:59 NOW regarding the threat, it was for Otomo and seems like you didn't understand that so I'm going to write it here as well. ogino -" stop it now, and i won't take it out on "otomo" ogino -"if you spill it, Kyoko will become the object of pity" this is what he was afraid of. OTOMO LOSING HER SMILE TO PROTECT HER. I decided to drop by again on a whim. It seems that mods have deleted my last reply without notifying me. Extremely rude as it was a farewell message. This is one of the reasons why I hate forum mods no matter the website, and why I almost never use forums anymore. Anyway, judging from the fact you made another lengthy reply, I'm going to assume you didn't see that final message of mine before it was deleted. That's their fault, I'm not blaming you. I sadly do not remember everything I wrote in my last reply, but it was basically a farewell reply to you. My last reply to you. Probably ever too, as I have put you on every ignore list that exists. I may not remember my previous reply in its entirety, but I do remember the last few words though it is possible they are slightly different from how I remember them: "Goodbye. May our paths never cross again. Don't expect another reply, nor expect me to read any future replies you make, as I have put you on all of my ignore lists.". |
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| Wow, by far the best episode of the season |
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| Never save these hoes |
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| To be honest I wasn't too happy with how Ishigami's past was handled. I get why he didn't want to reveal everything, cause of possible revenge on the girl (probably by releasing those photos the guy had of her), but I still feel like they could have done something. Now the poor girl will also be forever oblivious to this. I'm happy to hear at least that the manga did this chapter much better and we got to learn the fate of the guy, and how he was removed thanks to Kaguya and those certain VIPs. Also the fact that every member of the council (even Iino beforehand) helped revealing these and getting him to be able to attend the school. Still, I wish the girl was told at least. I know it's in the past, but it seems like she will just resent poor Ishigami. |
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BlufaceBaby said: Never save these hoes this Ishigami was a simp and faced the consequences for being one. Like, he could've cleared his name, the two were clearly in the wrong. One for cheating and threats of revenge porn and the other for taking part in it as well at such a young age. Fast forward to high school, the same girl didn't learn anything and still held by her stockholm syndrome. Still wants to be with her abuser, bad boys really do make girls itch after all. Ishigami tried to 'save' this girl but she's a hopeless ticking time bomb bound to redo her mistakes. She's not even helping herself. Massive redpills from this anime including the previous episode where Shirogane's father lost his job and is still in love with his wife despite her cheating and leaving. Won't be surprised if the mother returns once he becomes a "stable and reliable man" once she's all used up, undesirable and dumped by all her boyfriends. From a generic cringe romcom to a massive reality pilled anime. This show is now a 10/10. |
| People in this thread acting they've never once acted irrationally in their lives. Damn, must be nice. Anyway, great episode, and great handling of a side character arc. No, it's not strictly speaking necessary, but the arc doesn't overstay it's welcome, and integrates nicely into the main storyline. |
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| Easily the best episode from BOTH Kaguya-sama seasons! We finally got a lot of Ishigami's "backstory" and we can understand the root of his depression. Very-very awesome episode!! |
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teubert2 said: Kyzen said: it's a shame that some moderators deleted my replies. so I'm keeping this as short as possible or not, and so we don't have to dig deep. from this one segment alone will say it all. this is from the show itself and no added "interpretation" as you say. scene. ishigami angrily saying he couldn't careless what happens with anyone and just wanted to spill everything and started writing. then suddenly the next frame shows Otomo smile. which then brings to the next instant frame, ishigami erasing those writings. if this couldn't get any precise and that it needed a word for word explanation from some narrator to whats going then screw that. NOW WE GET TO THE TIMESTAMPS. AND FACTS AS YOU SAY I GOT NOTHING IN MY HANDS. time stamps on emphasis with Otomo smile ishigami - "somehow it felt like she saved me" shows Otomo smiling and laughing, TIME -5:30 ishigami - "at that time i had an EXCESSIVE sense of justice" I couldn't let a good person get hurt AGAIN SHOWS AN IMAGE OF OTOMO SMILLING. TIME- 6:45 ishigami - " he can go to hell, I'll spill everything. etc. etc" frames showing him writing i just want to be set free, then shows otomo smiling holding an eraser. he keeps saying I'll write it. but he then started erasing all of a sudden. TIME - 13:20 ShIgorone - " so in conclusion, the reason you didn't refute, because it was to protect Kyoko otomo" SO AS SAID EVEN ALL THE StudentCouncil CONCLUDED THAT THE REASON HE COULDN'T DO IT WAS NOT BECAUSE OF ALL OF THOSE YOU SAID. BUT BECAUSE TO PROTECT OTOMO TIME - 15:52 and the nail in the coffin KAGUYA -" I GET IT, SHE'S BLISSFULLY IGNORANT, THAT SMILE OF HERS IS WHAT ISHIGAMI PROTECTED. SHOWS OTOMO SMILLING" TIME 21:59 NOW regarding the threat, it was for Otomo and seems like you didn't understand that so I'm going to write it here as well. ogino -" stop it now, and i won't take it out on "otomo" ogino -"if you spill it, Kyoko will become the object of pity" this is what he was afraid of. OTOMO LOSING HER SMILE TO PROTECT HER. I decided to drop by again on a whim. It seems that mods have deleted my last reply without notifying me. Extremely rude as it was a farewell message. This is one of the reasons why I hate forum mods no matter the website, and why I almost never use forums anymore. Anyway, judging from the fact you made another lengthy reply, I'm going to assume you didn't see that final message of mine before it was deleted. That's their fault, I'm not blaming you. I sadly do not remember everything I wrote in my last reply, but it was basically a farewell reply to you. My last reply to you. Probably ever too, as I have put you on every ignore list that exists. I may not remember my previous reply in its entirety, but I do remember the last few words though it is possible they are slightly different from how I remember them: "Goodbye. May our paths never cross again. Don't expect another reply, nor expect me to read any future replies you make, as I have put you on all of my ignore lists.". Lol couldn’t take the criticism that you were indeed wrong i explained it in detail with timestamps and all i got from you is “ i ignored you already” oh so typical from people who couldn’t admit there faults. Anyway i don’t expect anything from a person like you. |
| My biggest regret is using my real name as my user name. The continuous pursuit of finding that genuine thing. |
| The cheerleading club is so wholesome they remind me of the body improvement from Mob Psycho. I'm so glad Ishigami got over it. |
| No doubt my personal favorite episode of the series. |
| Ooouuuu~ hidden backstory to Isshi :3 I'm not satisfied though. How does that girl not find out that she got cheated on after all these years? Seriously, she IS a fucking dumbass. The student council knew and they didn't even go to the same middle school. Smfh. Imagine being so dick whipped that you hold a grudge for the wrong reasons towards the wrong guy and even hope to get back with your scumbag ex. Couldn't be me, sis. |
| I think Ishigami should have said the true to the girl, the guy he was dating was shit even showed him a porn of her...she should have known the truth. |
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| I'm speechless, it's been a while since I watched an anime that moves me so much emotionally, this episode has a change of tone from comedy to drama in a masterful way, I got my eyes teary knowing what Ishigami has gone through, that Kyouko girl is pathetically ignorant I feel bad for her, but hey it's what Ishigami wants to protect, Ishigami is such a good soul. Fuck Ogino, one of the lowest of scums in anime lol. And, Shirogane is THE BRO, his scene opened the door to Ishigami's room is perfection, he's the badass that saved Ishigami's life. |
| Anime is fun. |
| Ohh I see! I've been wondering why Ishigami's co-members didn't have faces. I thought the animators were just lazy.lol!😒 I was hoping Ishigami would clear his name by telling everything to Kyoko; but then again, she's inconsequential!🙄 |
KoniginElleJul 16, 2020 7:54 AM
 She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did! |
| Didn't like this episode. Ishigami is a creep. |
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| Yasss... I was looking forward to Ishi's background sidestory. He's had it tough, and he's a good guy deep inside, and I think it's his arcs in the source manga where the series usually gets the darkest/most somber. It's a wonderful and much-welcome contrast to the rom-com antics of this series. Others may have already pointed it out, but, note that the usually comical narrator NEVER MADE A COMMENT in this entire episode. That's how much serious Ishi's past was. As already shown, the original Student Council had a hand too, but it's great how Shirogane did a great job extending a much-needed helping hand for the poor guy... and I'm sure he didn't do it out of just pity but respect. And that's how I suppose the two guys have had this great sense of mutual respect (though I'm sure Ishi respects Shiro WAY more) that I refuse to summarily term as mere "bromance". Thanks to this one episode I'm excited to go back reading the manga and blaze through to the Ishi arcs. |
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| Mad respect for Ishigami, he's been holding on to a really big problem for a long time, I'm glad that he's a little better now, that girl is such an idiot, even wanting to get back together with that boyfriend of hers. 5/5 Episode, now onto the last one. |
| “What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil? Or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?” ― Lelouch Vi Britannia |
| ISHIGAMIIIIIII <3 |
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| I'm very very happy for Ishigami! Up and down of his life :) |
| Proverbs 4:23 Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it. |
| A happy Ishigami makes me happy! That girl was way too vengeful for being this nice and kind-hearted. |
| Too bad he went through all that for a lame girl like that. |
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